מינוי רומן גופמן: ממה אנחנו מתרגשים בכלל??? | על הכותרות #17

בתוכנית זו של "על הכותרות" מבית "על המשמעות" עו"ד תמיר דורטל, טל קופל ועו"ד אודליה קדמי נפגשים שוב לסיכום הכותרות העיקריות שעל סדר היום, תוך מתן פרשנות אינטלקטואלית וערכית המבקשת לחשוף את זרמי העומק של החברה הישראלית.
התוכנית נפתחת בניתוח המינויים החדשים בצמרת הביטחונית, ובראשם מינויו של רומן גופמן, תוך דיון בשאלה האם בג"ץ מרפה את אחיזתו במינויי הממשלה או שמא מדובר באשליה. משם, השיחה גולשת לדיון נוקב על תפקודם של פקידי ציבור, ובמרכזם היועצת המשפטית לממשלה, והדרישה הערכית מפקידים שאינם מסכימים עם מדיניות הממשלה להתפטר מתפקידם במקום לסכל אותה מבפנים.
בהמשך, הפאנל מנתח את חזרתו המסתמנת של נפתלי בנט לזירה הפוליטית בעקבות כנס פעילים שערך בזכרון יעקב. תמיר והמשתתפים מפרקים את הרטוריקה של בנט, בוחנים את שאלת ישיבתו העתידית עם נתניהו, ומתווכחים על מבנה גוש הימין העתידי: האם נכון לבנות קואליציה הנשענת על החרדים ובן גביר, או שמא נדרשת מפלגת שלטון מרכזית וגדולה?
חלקו השני של הפרק מוקדש לסוגיות של ביטחון אישי וצדק מערכתי. הפאנל סוקר את הזינוק בבקשות לרישיונות נשק מאז השבעה באוקטובר, מבקר בחריפות את ארגוני הנשים שמתנגדים לחימוש אזרחי, וטוען כי הזכות להגנה עצמית היא חובה מוסרית. לסיכום, מתקיים דיון מטלטל בפרשת אביעד פריג'ה ויובל קסטלמן ז"ל. משתתפי הפאנל חושפים את הכשלים בחקירה, את האג'נדה התקשורתית שהרשיעה את פריג'ה בטרם משפט, ואת רדיפת הלוחמים על ידי הפרקליטות הצבאית. 
האזינו לפרק כדי להבין את הכוחות הנסתרים שמעצבים את מקבלי ההחלטות בישראל, את המגמות הדמוגרפיות שישפיעו על הבחירות הבאות, ולקבל זווית ביקורתית שלא תשמעו באולפני החדשות המרכזיים. האם הימין באמת שולט, או שהוא עדיין כפוף למערכות פקידותיות ומשפטיות? כל התשובות בפנים.

00:00:00 רומן גופמן והתפטרויות בצמרת המוסד
00:04:15 תפקיד היועמ"שית והאם עליה להתפטר מתפקידה
00:07:28 השתיקה בשב"כ ואישור המינויים הביטחוניים
00:10:40 הכנס של נפתלי בנט והאבטחה סביבו
00:15:53 האם בנט יסכים לשבת עם נתניהו?
00:20:20 בריתות בימין ומגמות ההצבעה במגזר החרדי
00:28:00 משבר ההנהגה בליכוד והתעצמות הציונות הדתית
00:32:40 המהפכה ברישיונות הנשק והזכות להגנה עצמית
00:39:20 התנגדות ארגוני הנשים לחימוש נשות ישראל
00:43:00 התיישבות יהודית חדשה בגליל תחת מעטה פרוגרסיבי
00:46:54 פרשת אביעד פריג'ה ויובל קסטלמן
00:54:40 רדיפת הלוחמים בידי הפרקליטות הצבאית והתקשורת
01:03:01 רדיפה משפטית וסגירת תיק החקירה נגד יונתן אוריך
01:07:40 סערת שדה תימן וזכויות חברי הכנסת

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SPEAKER_02 9:47

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SPEAKER_03 19:32

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SPEAKER_02 22:03

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As we speak, Lecha Redim.

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SPEAKER_03 28:14

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SPEAKER_05 29:56

Ata voilanu tal se political. Mausi merot, lemimats beam la darmuhtan, la darmuhtha, shela sh and sham mechab team, can besof if a context chanchronbo, a shalloshan mimilhama, a shite up in that israel kiloo vanumatimit, yes pal, at you long shane me I can miti. Tishmeru a lagouch, meprinati, li could, a coltov. Kilo a filo liko than you and he holakitanya woman hig. Um, ben lumi, Yesh koshi be isum hazon pnimi pnim israeli. Shama, ben shiva, boctob as as as pony. Yesh koshi me odmo, can a dine and yummer, that ya pronounc the stream, can a lot that him netanyo is a goal.

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A colo, shall that bullshit and khadima yasdi uh you never know.

SPEAKER_05 32:22

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SPEAKER_02 33:05

And shek, shalim kibbla, natanya kibbla, ranana lefida kibla, butref, colo kibaltem.

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Ohlo, shem Bekov.

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The big deal.

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SPEAKER_05 38:03

Yeshpo Psychologi me'odhhashov Shelpitoum tada bech shanimare erdimu tanu, vepito mana kokilu mit orerim, ve tovimeta bitahonoze, ve do shimeta shinoi paradigma, an zakilu be metashutali shit bagut kaze, shpito mata mitor, veata kenata atata atadoresh eta yholet la agaena natzmicha, ata roteli od gebba yhholet azotla aga tmicha, shove tshovel'za kilo teta goffmanism azhav, ken kilo eta nitpan kidio panotzel posh le tambren, lachtot gadermaya ruasha ne umshelo shama bekenisaramatkalim. Lag, bidio shwama lach nuloma speak it kifim, anaknu y shining ba mida, knula nulhzor, amatavla moda it kifil moda the ruchze, vize bidukze, the amisra, lachhavni khaslez mod kaze shel drichut, shoulokala chaim shelo, veumarat ze ama twazea, the akaka likat be metu la she no, bezrotashem, you tok dolim gam cola paradigma shelagulot.

SPEAKER_03 39:11

She ehlo collanashim colo gune lich oranashim, we collar gune muganut, em anashim ra'im ne elachim, lomusarim, reshaimash, sh Gozlim, beshem tahanutamve at oryo tamf shotva mitum tam chelimas, gozlim and shot Israel, et Iholatla again's man, mipnea Michabel, mipnea sho dead, mipne l'enu anas, mimkom shekola nasbi Israel, yedash el holisha, y holot bati knashekatan otih ekdacholt mashuma mash katan vikal Vu Yadash imu menasela sotmashu kotefka dubarosh, mimkom za yodasha shaiterefkal.

SPEAKER_05 39:51

Khan Vikoli gunashim Igav sheliv khan mishwatit. Mega beonis Lo da shhez Racha mushia holish tamash Baneshik shelonatha video kinyan la kinyan mapita. But, Atalholo Tio. Atalholo fioto filo, rak raksakanathaime muchashit Bhole mikre, Avdasha anasimbi Israel.

SPEAKER_03 40:14

Aimu kanavale shotama nashim sotimven no raim Vagam otam anasim lumanim kiza tofashikayemet Otamaravim Yodim Sha Ishayu Dia Sufa, Ihasufa Ravyalo Hasufai Babai. Aval Ishayu dia sufa, colo shhmata anashim shrim shimusarim. Lelamdenu shimishit so ek, mishe poreset lafavmoshomrim. Tlapav za anashimraim vemamash reshaim vecem can colo anashimala sh poalim negham shoot ezra israel when a shot israel can atemanashimraim van your offen ishi ehadihad.

unknown 40:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 40:49

So, khab mushim ve, tada, kosheshla to not shimush pasulha afisha ashana afisha. Are you are you shneam shall also shanima, a daina bala foda, fs, fs, echadahuz, sikui, cleak, five.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

Why del academia tong uh, Loisa Damba lit, Limasha the Rush buffin me a dickel doft kifashelo dinch famous canamhayav behutobu foisa bah sholo canimuhan litarichi.

SPEAKER_03 41:36

A mart is a lomash.

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David Weitman, Vigam David Bavley? Tisha no. Kan Tsibo, atimla hevrebach. Canilomatigudla hoke.

SPEAKER_03 41:54

Anilom skim kiya hokem, homer beyada shofet, lobead ki, bataftim kmoe Daphna barak elh ve call minekaele, ataf shemye g you, l rega emit asem yegidu, ah to atta ishtamashta banesh wepazato or karakto, beaganal ki niancha, lecha sibo mimu mitsina lehti maneshek musla, kimashavata nihasle vikwach, bkwish or bench kenim, thevarishancha benadamia saze the vehale kala mishtara, sh Yamtalavimaneshek.

SPEAKER_05 42:29

Vazi milasha mul milashelo, a dif sholoi dusha tahamash can gamika yad kokilukala edeck, can Tartemash.

SPEAKER_03 42:38

Kalal bitul, atamika Sodahola satan Mr.

SPEAKER_02 42:44

A Nazi Mistaterbekulano fridja and rotella rotet muna absurdin shovy tamo Samea Kotano, a valimiko tet Salash Niten Tarash. Zot Muna Akiva Bigman Khasafed a big time big man. Shibolet, Kfar she love killti, shove Hash Bagalil, Hash Loshimhim Lorakamachumishov Yudi, uh Sloshmu Kamishim Grashimit to Ham, Shiv Imigrashim would the Rotlan Shim Goliot. As the official before a s farian shim, she lomasualimla again let's ma'am by default. Shem lorashame dolek, the lubits besuga, nehut, this ballamugaliot. Hem at Balamugoliot, Shlem Mukbalut Milihilachem, Besdah Crav. Hem Lomatimus Farimatim Katamon, Lepo, Hom Lagurpo, Nahmad, Civilizatia, Yeshpo Betholimol, Bemed, Zemishanashim Balam Mugbaloz Him, Lot's Him, the Guru Bekfar Liad, Ezor Oyen, Bagalila Ton. Two answer.

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I have a vague command, but I'm not sure if you're not going to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:32

Amit a levi be cash lifgostayal, key din kinesskal, or a lamfaked kelk, and the other.

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Wow.

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Mr. Bershes.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:00

Tip shoot yesh be collaboration. Gami Michumar Gishmawiam Christian Frisia, we holy rote. And say no.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:24

Ma. Made Varba.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:30

Ma Hatza Adabach, Nora Beraglo.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:33

Talouimeze in Mumma Colity oppositia.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:38

No, himside oppositia as the head of the colour.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:52

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SPEAKER_03 1:10:14

I got a colour, mashekorima yamash, the A Rod Barak, I alopi merclass meze. Mashekore Dimblonimsh and Histerim V Vanachuke Fesa. Mamash Kefesa is a kikali mashal shavkide tafkidayamash. Mash is simotman virbachnesa. Boy, Boyne, I mean quality mean.