#1011 אלכס גרינברג | "הברית הזאת מעידה על חולשה" - למה סעודיה וטורקיה מבוהלות מהמצב באיראן?

בפרק זה של הפודקאסט עו"ד תמיר דורטל מארח את אלכס גרינברג, חוקר במכון הירושלמי לביטחון ואסטרטגיה, לשיחה על הדינמיקה הגיאופוליטית המורכבת במזרח התיכון, פערי תרבות מודיעיניים, והמשמעויות העמוקות של בריתות אזוריות.
הראיון נפתח בניתוח מעמיק של הברית המתהווה בין טורקיה, פקיסטן וערב הסעודית. גרינברג, השולט בשפות ערבית, פרסית, רוסית וטורקית, מפרק את המניעים הנסתרים של כל אחת מהמדינות הללו. הוא מציג כיצד בריתות במזרח התיכון מעידות פעמים רבות על חולשה ופחד מפני שינויים אזוריים, ולאו דווקא על עוצמה. גרינברג צולל אל הפער התרבותי הקיצוני בין תפיסת ההסכמים של המערב – אשר רואה בהסכם כלי לייצור מציאות חדשה, לבין התפיסה המזרחית שרואה בהסכם רק ייצוג של מצב קיים. דרך משקפיים אלו, מוסבר מדוע ישראל נוטה פעם אחר פעם ליפול למלכודת של קונספציות שגויות במסגרת המשא ומתן מול שכנותיה.
בהמשך השיחה, הדיון נוגע בעצבים החשופים של מערכת הביטחון הישראלית בעקבות אירועי השבעה באוקטובר. גרינברג מנתח בחריפות את המעבר של קהילת המודיעין הישראלית, ובמיוחד ארגון השב"כ, מהתבססות על מודיעין אנושי אינטימי, חשדני ומעמיק (יומינט) אל עבר תלות כמעט מוחלטת בטכנולוגיית סייבר ומודיעין אותות. הוא משווה את שיטות הפעולה של קהילת המודיעין הישראלית לשיטות הישנות והטובות של הקג"ב, ומסביר מדוע חוקרים צריכים להיות סקרנים לגבי תרבות האויב, אך במקביל לשמור על חשדנות בריאה ותמידית.
מדוע משברים כלכליים באיראן מאיימים על יציבות האזור כולו? כיצד השפיעו תפיסות מוסריות מאז מלחמת לבנון הראשונה על דוקטרינת הלחימה של צה"ל? ומה באמת מסתתר מאחורי השאיפות האסטרטגיות של ארדואן? 
המאזינים לפרק זה יזכו להצצה נדירה לתוך צורת החשיבה האסטרטגית האמיתית של אויבי ישראל וידידיה כאחד. דרך עדשה היסטורית ותרבותית ייחודית, הפרק מעניק כלים קריטיים להבנת המציאות המזרח תיכונית ללא פילטרים וללא משאלות לב מערביות. האזנה לשיחה זו תספק לכם תובנות עמוקות וכלים מעשיים לקריאת המפה הגיאופוליטית של המזרח התיכון.

00:00:00 הברית המשולשת בין טורקיה, פקיסטן וסעודיה
00:03:54 איראן והשאיפות האימפריאליות במזרח התיכון
00:08:09 תרבות של נורמליזציה והאינטרסים של הערבים
00:15:21 המעורבות הטורקית בסוריה והכלכלה של ארדואן
00:20:00 הדינמיקה המסובכת בין מודיעין ישראלי למודיעין טורקי
00:26:43 המודל הקפריסאי והאשליה של פתרונות שלום
00:30:46 תרבויות של הסכמים: מזרח מול מערב
00:36:34 תפיסת הביטחון של השב"כ וקהילת המודיעין
00:41:20 מושגי הרתעה והכשל המודיעיני בעוטף עזה
00:51:24 השפעת מלחמת לבנון הראשונה על מוסר הלחימה
00:57:08 חשיבות מודיעין יומינט מול הסתמכות טכנולוגית
01:04:48 תרבות מערבית לעומת הבנה עמוקה של הערבים
01:12:26 משבר כלכלי ואסטרטגיה עולמית באיראן (פרימיום)
01:16:44 קריאת תרבויות אויב דרך ספרות רוסית (פרימיום)
01:23:04 שחיתות ביטחונית באיראן ודמוקרטיות מדומות (פרימיום)

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SPEAKER_01 1:13

Amour kawutabar slyha bevrit Fukim. Pakistan is a very corrupt country, as everyone knows. Pakistan Pakistani ISI Inter Services Intelligence. Aval, le Pakistan Mitsuyan, Ulomushhat, Yhasit, Weza Makoit Pakistan, Shambh Meritokratia. Awwalgam ve Agav Kamuwana Saudi mimnu et sagarini chelem, arayon shapistani m yitnu mashu l Iranim, Sha Iranim Gammitimla Pakistani kumwal Klavim. Pakistan ychula lagishle Saudi Siwa, Aval Gamem lofrayrim loy mutu Bishwil Saudiakan, Turkiya gamma geshaitat machalasha madua ki me odme faked me kre Bayran. Hosso y se wood, pliti mulaze loikrab, yeshlem sibot, vembe semdavarem nimcenba matzav, shemloh echulimla shpia ki alha matzav, ve odemfahdim mi tatsugata tahli tzal Bayran, ki tirebo ni tnatektipa mea matzav shelano shel shimsen shim sber de kerkmosha levesh kol akenzaheshpom medina m shifot imperiali. Kale kaz imperial, wanna be empire, mm. Tukim, a tokim gam gamrian, gabavan, tishma, bayash el kolam medinotel shishle mintaliut gamli kabuvan, gama sinim gama usim, gamat surfatimba meda lomota, zalomashanim mloy khulim, meshlem gisha imperialit mloy khulim lijot pashut kamo bawala z medinatlom. Medina medinatlom v pashut gamot gam medinatlom kmocheh avali lohze kan manhtohutzim. Na khutsim shiazbuntano bammu khabim shhlanuk zemashanachturzim. Aval elem tamid polimli fe karonat zarfati karati kabuvanbe. Sefir limud sarfati geopolitika, kiopolitika zesekati briti lamerikai. Midinot le olam mechhapsot otsma. Tamidze vechle mashu polumu van maze, shemfrekta mizarti kon bezakama yamim kama shivot zemafhid, mephenatam, avalem yudim shenle malasot. Zemro sim gameta kesefasaudi kile Turkeyh, bayotkal kaliot kashota shaf shov, zhlizko. Anishofehrab meida, but za khashov ki akhtef share v Turkia, li khwasa siplachazu medina, vit mechan. But, can't uh or khaim Turkiklama Tramat Khaima stand uh Dima kalklim Mara Viken, pahot Fahot Marawish Turkey, Lod Ze Bad Bakira, Kheleika Kurdi Aval adain echlem bayot inflati kashot, bayot kalkaliot kashot, we shir doansa, sod kol mini dwarim laot poza, kidelot shose mashul, fachod bukra, the mashemyotam we kitsur abritta zoti mada al hul shakodam kol ki a saudim gamma, saudim lorot simtara Irani pol, andifim oyev muhlash, ki im Iranti ya, viti ya, mlo, himlaw machaz machot time, zha teh. Kana shootarimuter, zutat me dina promavit, Denmark bishwaze, but speak shlat israel, yesha mezamavar neft vze, yutas, mashim yet kolze as two. A taton, the masu as audioteur, as a yapasodava audio ter can as them egozma, mit khalim khadeshimbofun T V E Velano Kashela Vinzaken, Ach Shavemadi Avalemgam Masha Milhamazo Timerano Hika, Shravim ishim can skimushulas scheme, Mlo kulem lagal shum Avana or shumaskama mechedit ve muskeme aten we beklala machalash and khes normalizatze, my can normalizate mila tatb normalizatza e kvar a kvar is milat gnai, milam guna, kenaknotimza ashu Igilu na taiti basaudia za sababa nene. Avalaza shabhasim uhitronim.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

Kideshio y kortzlanu kenakhul maxim bitronim andasim strategium shallem israel kum.

SPEAKER_01 8:09

Anakno mitnagi analogia ulay loya fava, analogia zatawa zav kazeug andivgash ehushevet tal ava, yeladim, mishpa, bhagim, wech mach tell dim, uhoshav mashu ksar mued meedi. Azanachnu mitnagim kmoa bahoame azugazaken, beodarvim mitnagim but soa super hyper rationalit maim mybdim. Correga, koreg, koreg, korrega.

SPEAKER_02 8:44

Mazan zimazot mzima, shemidina, shambral mdina hereit, lola la sritan shalom bala makam shanim.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

Okay, ratata ked yeshle. Ava shav turke as the gum, a shavpo mashuh shov la vida nitkal bekosha uhal culomaim shranu po koshi biskalti modesha nitkalti ba yachas kaze bishuma ko machero. Efsha la zbirim tipa murka vim. Lemasha, lafdafka, ni loye kholom echtem ani gam debarti bezho podcast uhat b televizia, weza martheid, weza mwuly, echtte hholomar sta neghta neged rusek, badrusekilo. Anyumer davano apashut. Koal m shem mats dik m'phina mussarit et kafar u sit neged Ukraina, m'shul baina, mishem zdiik onesk mumam magia y kazot. Aval mitsad sh ni zelo mere Ukraina e korban shela atkafar usit, shha tokpanuta usit, the law merina e beskala heret we machu shone, butin malak. Margarit thatch.

SPEAKER_02 11:02

Lady Lady Elizabeth.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

No, Melka Elizabeth You have the bull's eye. I knew is kaha, the sofa. What's the gum in the blister? Kelly call the laganov boy racov, but sim kilo anima shibit kola small weat call, call a mizrachim shame. Well be kitsu gumba mikesh ukrain verusim de barbe m tir too khumanzoa gadaz ukrainim ze rusim ukrainim rusim meshudragim tipa can velo britim meshun machim. Ken zhazboto offen Turki aimaturki anti shemiot can alsteroidim. Aviklis kord shakhmadab dat we muzarlish dav ka teamit kasim lawinetze. Dato kol za ideologiya ni batohasha ni gar babonotai bagivač muel, ifala gicha z Liat barilan, ifala gichize mulbnebra, kazani khasid mulbnebra. Ken azbauli li khulishneinu li khula mah ma zinotwa mazenim shah anachno ken li chhoraul kimla tobat knesseta well ayadu chili veshelao shinim mbneba kzeluboto dava bagama vegabraklik likoita pashkwilim modot evel babneba. Katayo da katuvim katuv niftar agon Saratura zitay im Arava tzadik zaf Khasidiv. Katov Arabi Mahlof niftaro ki au lay khzabuchova. Uhzabuchva, show mizrahishu, loy holoat al min kha kham, the khasidia holoot tzadik mit khacham zberh zakota deva ked. As analogia zesh imatalo kyah miprina shit hit, miprinat ideologia Bilvad, uh Islam Turkey Zhamas can zahim Muslim akparte sa kilo bi flaggata tsadek wapitoh z flagga Islamist it veshuv Aval m everly ideologia ish gam Tarbut Yomit, Tarbut Yomit B Turkia z Turkislam, z Islam Turkey, lo Islam Arabi. Mazha umer tahless, tahless omer the lo tircala giaza gamlifna shiva October la kolkalul. B Turkia ken, and so nimim tayud, manti shame ken ta'uta kolkal kalkasha lot uh la soteza, lo gedala sotatza, avalikroniza, ken a shavatehul. Ma'am, mazumer kol. Zakonit. Shelem sh the kesefasakim ko dem lakol. Mihholim lis tom taafil m zoomer tahl y sa knu eta interesse ma me team shelem interesse m kalkalim ideologia. Zavaricha holoatha yom yom. Holy roturkiya, Bahura im hij jab, medarit mhaverta she lomet baalil, we gam shota bihira. Tal the maravi, stamdogma she.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

Liverpool, as Muhammad salah, kilo to halut me stand a champagne. Lossamulef Muhammad Salah, wasa, wasa, kay mayyad, zikiza filo. Alcohol, like, tork, mzogbirra, la tayara shwede,ra.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

Ken butt. But normal herzlata, colour goin' because the chmazemas Aval, saw teta tuner z takal application radio, shel radio trukiken, makhivim roba nashi ma k shivim le tahanot radio, shams lehat monochel bachot slavyot, we milimk mousin, sturum seni sevurum. Kilu ani ohevotechani rozeotechemasho kaze kenze. Uh zbirit kolasha. A bayashilam Turkey rotali shlot besu. Ketzikam lasim leva nachnu you mina khazot ni bla zbir. Mishumel, erdon roze la kim imperia ne ottomani, fote ne ottomaniot. Okay, maz omer, mazomer. Shav Surya Zlow Basel Turkey Shelita Chamu, Watzali shlot. Turkey Surya, aita Sanjaq, provincia Ottomani, t'y ka vota mihaleb la Istanbula Bashelanu ze lose a bayashelanu, lobemet a Turkim lobembem, we turkim lo ihpa, kufikus uhpe. A kofikus uh mishtara so anchar, by the messal gamma tesho M Loshul Timbe Kolze, Gamashara Losholet B Masha, velo ich loh ichpacha, hevitusham, yehulimken, zotha bayashla, Turkey, so Turkey, shlot sakim, yazelo, atashala serbim shabanazhimla Plesha Turkit, efor shakherbashka Turkiot, Beserba. Zelo, masu shamurafkido shakaz, a bay shlohpatlay, Suriya, mashagam, amuratrido tano velokit Turkiam Goremit Lazilikroth, Malim e Rotali Sota Dmitchel Yet Zivut Besuria, K dash Yuashkote, Gamma Sudim Ein Medina Surit, Ein Zlokayam, Zotabaya. Anachnu mimukadim the gamma f Tot yhana shim sh okay primitive avani katwale goffman loyudan glitch when you gashim, kihunulad be Belarus ni nulati be Moskwa Kani Resha ni Loyudan glit veravit, lifia Shayosiman me tona. Mftioti Hhanashim shalilim democratia mid of him taqolian personal. Then shim shwimesh Democratia stahben shimpo Arbe kiluman ginonan otama nashim but him shrakim bibi here mamathama, bibi mzikta katofim it's loba martf velopele shakreze otaman shim koshwim shekol ha baya Iraq Putin no be Erdogan, kemas kimit Bibi velofan, awalam siutish uh bayashela Rusia z Loki Putin aas Rusia la kya bayash at Tarbuta politita Rusit me tsurta na shim sh Bemikratov Putin or Erdwaan in Turkey. Beer coli uh Besure ein medina ktufiyot, ktufiyot jjadio, terk shov. Loki asuri mo azatim Bahube ra ayon ra, beshukarayonot, and bahubayon ra, shuhamas. Ay shutov. Lo elaki zem sha yesh besure ein sha mashoken, ifarlish lotcham rak beshitot shilonim lagid asad ulay pachot shuchot aval zemasheshamken, ved beturkiat sma, shebere sherdoan, ylechazhusham elef democratiaken, shachov shuv, kiemata mistakele misshimad erdwaan, zh. Zanashim shut fashistim Turkim, m om namamamem l' Islamisti, ma Zlomershib Hilonim, and Turkim Turkim, kela Turkim etnim. Akurdim le mashal, Lama Akurdim gam, whatanimrimlan kata roba mzbi Islamisti, akkurdim b Turkia matsbi im flagashler Dwan. Lama, lokim dosim elekema sortim, quadem kolkurdim ye khulim li zdahot im Turkia, rak shi Turkia she med Bishem Islam, Bishem Tarbutvahim ishutofim, emloy khulim Liz Dhootim Turkia etnichila Turkim ze Ken ve Zot Zot Bayabagadosha Yerdwangam Vegama Amitsegal Asashirutra Le Turkim ve Bomwana Ra Bishweleno. Klumar Aya Kshamit Segal Shen Habedoto Bakur Khacham ve Tul the U Belahata Ratson Litkoa Ezba Bainoshler Dwana, Zu Katav, Shahakan Fidan, Sharosha Modina Turki, Vashav Gamma Sarachutz, Biker Bekhashai B Israel, Ve Njelsikot Deliver Vavyot, Anikvarlo Demi Velo De M Kama Wakesha Bikura Es Sababa. As Vhakach Nodala Nu Shekel Katawaza Ime Banglit Imata Ibata Kokarsunat Israel, Azlama Lama Bekarta Ba Israel, Veidi Asha Kulam Shemu She Betsa Merdwan Lopana Los Tamela Lamo Sad Kidesh Sadirlo Rufardiolog Az Regani Omerdavar Kazani Shul Tatsmi Regga Imzekah Azbetsa Maya Hasa Miti Shil Erdogan Veshil Fidan Klap Klapino Arbeuter Mukama Shakeshwim Katalho Bot Al Damedim Hamas Oiran It Kashulam Legofman Soder Lano Zapenakon Vidan Nielpose, Lamatik Lachsofaz, Ulom Vin Zobeducagisha Israelit Shum Davar Arak Lulter Nagolim Shilano. Atamarta Rimhani Rel Hamaza, If you have a lot of people who are not going to be able to do it, you can't get a little bit more than Hamu, Fidan, Moshami Islamist, Bemetchim, Bemet Rutzhim, Jidim, Atem Yudim. Vem betzum lamalatlem siba. Kilo shot, can fiddle Israel sechotlibayot and shemhta isrilim, attazem bar esh, wala, call me shimutambe knunya ima yudim, ubetsem to dekav nachon sh the talipam sihaim shagrichina muslimit, amartel shbaza devarazi kilo. A klo mizbole zhantishemu chosbahnu yelit kafilmishu. Uamar shetabin thechon, animiven tchemla vin am turki linahel, kmosha mareze tona Israeli Hachloh sofach molf naarbeshanim, de barnal suge palestinate am shhlitala mach zlotov, zlotov, am sho bichlal Blishlita Zagamlotov, a stiklot Bama Turki. Toshagir Ataroisra S Dot Turkiot and Mir Law, Mod Thilot. But Sada Turkit Encham Shum Higayon, can deduktive induktivi. Mitof, ra, Zlomishan's action can issu the zehwel dwan kolesman so zigzag, atasiya mafidimotasiat, wait a turkit. Ooh, Turkim the Turkim ish Tasiat, so it meched ki Bonas Kirchhaum la Imperial Ottomani taya vir comant. Churchil katastropha Churchil Garable Gallipoli, Kravim Ottomanim, Ken, Baushem Lohiz Shukofikus Mabesura, Nachwu. Aval, Zikhliskoh Beb Ayot, Ken Le Meshal, Aturkim Lo Yachulim Latzer Matos, Hamkan Khan, Kmo Shamatzegim, Lama Kikidomatos Khapkan, Attachayav, Manoa Silon, Zerosilon, Manoa Midor Hamesh, Rak, America, Holal Token, Meshlem Khilki Hilov Kritim Shent Limbemarav, V Holeta Mashilomar Bemilachat, Zapashut Yeshle Mar Bebot, Beb Ayotash Bush, Listakel, Mashkore, Ava Zlow Merchola Khazat Turkit Biduk Mashid Biduket Mash Mashim Ki Ilu Bemetem Lakotamberzenoti Mamil Hama Neged Yavan Vekafrisin Ita Mura Lit Kim Kwa Shloitmol Shishom Azolo Zetterbok.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

Some Aravim Lepo, you dimle Sham, Mea Hus, Lobelord, Lober Ramle, Lob Shumakomaker, it couldn't have a Mizrachit, I remember the Peter on Tovad Diplomatic Turkey to the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Transfer had a D. Transfer. Transfer D, Sodka Musle Paravel, Slama, Colony Sinota, Michelle, Hudamazani. Loh zeuze. Matara Menuvelet kempashule tarbut kolek do eigla. The gampoza todavak anihushev shedubar benima shaan lokul team. Anachno tire pozam havlaskira za yesh musagze anthropologi, a mitit lefnish za fakla lemizbella radicalit low context culture and high context culture. High context culture zarbut balat kshir tarbutigavo zelechal kshechotmim scam, masha khashov e talavou shimatyashalifa and khalifai metachotim et muzav orlanc. Rabin, rabin pilot shav, terez the very m shod khashivim, la rusim, la ravim, sinim, zbichal, we gamlet's low context culture, zetterbuta Israelit, Lloyudit El Israelit, America Nordiot Protestant. Ken o se a martelha kilo? Akasha ken a gam Kshaan yakavana im Tagia Macharb Beshtaim Kavana machabeshtaim, the law foot alena bukra. Kilo foot alena bukra tava machha kavana tama gish Lomedubbar Beshumpanim ve offenbemashu tovarao Lomedubar Beshekirgam coli Had shematsui ba tarbutazot, yod Lachen gamzota siba shaousim betuhim shivtihulem ihitrahavut nato mizracha, ki be metez Mishamika iftihlema walu iftih Bepinate shun lobbe zahatima. Ken ki ka tira kahat varimelemit naalim, Vetzlenu lowot zimla vinazalachen, Mishem davarsh martyhati yotermiashekhavura shel professorim kolmini tonaim shekhoshwim shim tahtom shembe Jewish American legalism. Shima Takotem atimeyatserem tsuthadasha.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

Zeloh Zloh of Vedka Mamaraya Duoshel Gilenkin, and shiloh, Ms. Parakad, Alosegosan, Tosumkin, the skimatern, skim meat. Oh, Keshilonim, she'll mut the model and a hornkin, the stamina logger. Keshajonimaska, Nivkashi. Osimit Call Su Gap, Shazug Nasuya Sebiahad, Cole Gorbiakad. How Shigarimbiakad comesu koldak, Ula fill me krimshum bagmushutov, Mori Bobo Bonatomlezimasibba, She Bemit Ahubiyhat Mostera Hazugnosuizenika Scem Meat. You Hot View Yelled Lift Me. Well, Satuna, Bobo, the Shellano, Mgobiah, Grammish Pohotniki Rod, Kvar Shell Batami, Mecolabdiha, Batunashilonima Calaberan, Batuna, Shilta Team, Batunash Reform Rabab, Snias Good. The other Shah Tuna, the Versailles, Shanah, Laura. So the schema shalom, Shellano, Emafalia, called them called scheme, Nitel Lemneshek, the as it craves a vote. Lumatascema Shalom Yardin, Shakem Cole, I should have a good one. She does Pula, Benamedinot, Mechirage's Howard, Call Minutarim, and Arba, Khabesh, as I shook, Mozuk, Hilonese, Rabesh and Bidot.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

Lakachad Bumduti, Lakach Rover, Niterma Halon, Kafatz, Etrilaroots, Magel Shuk, Gaudakhrav, Azam Lukanadashim, Batsoika Silot, Atil, Atilo, Vaskolan Ashimba Shuk, Umbrim Tzokimala Falah Mekuran, Alla Tauzela Rogutobiglala Kefadas, Hofenadashim, Zomir, Misheloy De Hoshev Hofanadeshim. Zamzi Utazot, Kenavala neomer shilvin etimila vit, shimazim litva keh, butim and the kenaside for the kenasvah, and the other thing is a very good thing professorim machiz. Maman heotam, it loyhol, not come al collar shabak, maman chotam valetium zip kenny holets belkama megamot. Lemashal imatasam beroshamach, mishu shoe and kulama you add kilo storeshabakhonim ad Dikter Zam Sedo. Lollif ad Dikterya Dikta Beroshut Matz Matsuyan Kameshoviti Beshabak. Aval Nadavargaman ve Ron Yuramkoin Davargaman can the Yoramcoin Dafka Uloya Rabist Lom Shema, Zanashim Shem Lochhame Matkal veronenbarken, Lochame Matkal Ven She Cyberken, as Shuven Besashum Dwar Lobesader, Aval Kshatasama Nashimkele Beroche Marechet, Nishma Achiv Znihu, Tayumant Modin and Shiken, the Pony Kosha.

SPEAKER_02 39:03

Lol Ronin Bar Nadavagaman V Romcoin.

SPEAKER_01 39:29

Sodi Vedia Hikhashov Tamid Aitavanani Zukhell for the Matim, the Mishaq Baza Not Mishosekbah Ravim, Mazinla Ravim can you tafura, technologia, leveinet smoke a talpa, talem ehila, veokale, colo techni, awale, pagumbo, hm o skim b technologi, she needs to be a good technique. Avalapgama shilofe and lim Shela Shabakaya Nanyar sheinlachem human beaza. Ko Shma Kore. Ain' Mudin Zamilhama. Zaloizer is shimatomerad, mudin Zeloizer is Shimat Makole to Super Shti Biwata Mashu. Zaloze, Zomil Khama. Walifamim Ein Mudin, Azriga, im Ein Mudin asavalo Muhan Lagana, Bihlal, Zedwarishon, Vedal Shini, Ashabak.

SPEAKER_02 41:22

Animatin Az uh Mulot Muchanle Hagana Lilo Atra Biduk Vzekire Pobon samtanos.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

Biduk ashu is that the winsak mummatroshka buba buba tetsa rusita poterh bekalefo de od shavodza stialga bestiya. Az shabak aya khayav gamim en mudin, anni michovati betokzin mudin, le devert tak shivo amatzabu kaza enliuz naim ve naim ani loyodea. Vaem lo suiza va anyihodeshelo.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

Mazze mwon yodashelo, chamat murta. Lo ani loyodea, andi loyodem khamat murta anio dashulomurta anidash u murta.

SPEAKER_01 42:13

Aiti gam v Avemasha mu Afakad lush alotamrigam vasasimatat twisasochem Are a dugmo dini?

SPEAKER_02 42:22

Loan, ve emrotim poalim, vem rotim tekifakatari, vem benadam kamon ofem rotim oshero, uhimlo.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

Ken no valapoiti davkamemets davka me kegebe Malasotimadulasimla sotmudin di can as uh Gishashibomeratim akoet Siman shumdava shaket. Au yev bevadesomemashura k shot logilino technikoshemudin mutuda, akay de lube negidmiata mafilidze vezumida, awal za kayama valgamko gama besiah twa Israeli, yeshlo shamunhim, s loh mukarim ba marav baterminologia tswaita modernita msemanim the shlosh milim haarta'a trahaha ni modesha zanishma lili famik mwa hetve alephum bimkom a shorasha. Madwa madwa za khashov ki tire imtistakelb shkolehad mish makshivla noqsham, yase ni sayoni khapez begaogle tamila uhanglit deterrence uhta. Bitishimachusha makrim midubarba mashum mukdaw, nuclear deterrence, harta agar init, shazekashule toata makashni, ya ve kolet vazemodar, and is a shum kesher la l la khawash la munachha zahachtahulit kolishamkoldevar, ve gam acha mazakha, mechlumarazesh nitzachhon, bhashon medabima ni tzachonas medabimlacha, vehatraha, az nachon shif shala gameza formalit ki alert, avazlabeduk alert, the masho kilo, shawayalezi gayun misuyambayoma kipurium, vegamzelo avad, kya dua lamazeloavad, kitsahal uhrim ka shakilo, uha mua aman kashal, avalzale besedar, lo salo besedar ki laya aruch ki az ken a yom le krav migdana.

SPEAKER_02 44:34

Bologa, bonid drumh. The gold of Kissinger Beshivum Vishalo Show and Muhanjahunitila Makamakdima as Mizanigzar Logit, Shanahutamid, Nufta. Kiaoyev Pamhati I say Bekilo, Pam Shne Sebekilo are Muddinalov. Ki Bewekolavan in Honah, the Yunish Shivim Vishaloch, and Musubekale, Sutar Gilanak, Anaknu Gavnum Bigus Miluim, that's Ishavnu Allah Mustang, Ishavnu Alatio, the Monchodoshim, Shavan Tamezhek Shellano, then Rolo Director, Khazwa Bita. That's Shivim Vishalosh bei October and so be met, the Havan Wegam Shov Negas Milim Stan, Shovna Roshek, Shov and Shimikid Rastan Kippur, Rastan, Havanfta, Vimbe Az, Vimbu Shabon, Ya Perika October, Grasatiosh. That's a moment, Savan, Shall Rustofelastinit, Lamhone, shopping, Mitkonen Le Milit Commando, Le P Shitot, Le Dwarim, Mr Alomita Commando but mine.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

Kid sheloy aftawot, vehtoot sh nukhalotam veze ma shafosh marchet, ta mid tzarich lavor lemit kafa ki lama kiataloychol la signit tzekhon be mzuta haganabilvad, a valfosh gama marchet ta mid tzarih la shire atudaf sharzikbo etegir im ugdat azah mi uyeshit kmosha tzarih im Sadak na Sadak Shrikindrash, aza nilo mersha yayf shar limnoeta mitkafave tevech lo devel fajota yayf sharing.

SPEAKER_02 48:46

Musigim allitop simbe kikav ha atsirah strategy, cavamaga cav shon mathila milhama, la lanagad, emilha parimeter. Andi Kamegulisham, and yeah gader, and shoul, Beshovergale, mit neck shovel, vote, a shovergale, shanema, and kaleti pshim kali gro em slita beesh, but it's beat no halavirus, column to similar bavir, the call tractor make a blue maca. Aval and the varkasab tayogulgali, can I get it? I knew bascam as the short. No, you look for sabba, emloag you le rana, emlag you le Rabat Gun. Lemlagu. Anihakotness.

SPEAKER_01 49:45

Can I val bira anim animu animatirepsisit me verle call kishkushima pseudotsevaim shelp mashu yoterpashut Animuhanlo Mark Val Amveda, Valer Zora za Shemish Lomvin Sh Aray Yosh Yasu Otodavar, Imrak Yuchlu degeneratu Animuhan shitzualachpeshimba show yoter amok any hush any negative call conspiracia tabgidavakloh le smohaif Timtum lochle khapes conspiraciot a Val Barulhad, Kirto Moshat mevin Bekhasim Bene Shimata? Bere gashad savao shabaklum sh name masterim lochhosphimet conspiraciot. Mamma zinat, mama zinat yaratzona zelahsof inhoshedem Fahdim velam tzhlitzelakim vadah, Mifahdim Shea g you alamaskana mitbakeshad shait nat quuta e ta' ta' ut. Rak vilu rak mikhina mudinit. Imanaqloh shultim beshetakh efshar leyatzersham Akiza mudinit you mintit. Efshar. Zikhlaqshul Bashetah. Veg gam mashum disudin iechoshev asmol bemilhemet levanon arishona hitil veto vepasal mikolvehol Milhemet Milhemet Mena.

SPEAKER_02 51:22

Milhemet Mena, Mishov Milhemet Milhbra, Milhemet Bra oh, brah, the fourth as you do, but regardless.

SPEAKER_01 52:09

Kim Marimba Televizia Tankim Israelim Harum Simatash Levanta Hushit Drosim Iladim Nashimbaz Kenim Nashim Iladim Khafim Peshabaza Mara Vahak Karati Massir Hadamitum Tamim Shabsifreya Mosoz, Povash Amberat Israel, Sefirma Dafkawa, Metum Tamka Tashkafaken, Shawashamini Vikukim Idiotim Al Milhemet Brerave Ein Brew, Weze Vazaya Sarbani Hoshev the Abba Veimashila Sarba Nutchila Planist. Yanosh Bangal Machloba Keta Shiloh Kudash the Bitti Huk, Mafkita Hativashlo. Mazani Lot, Sal and Hushev Zemash Pia Latsava, progress nich naslitsava. Bigil zek, ki bzebsa masha harashemetmena, ve odhad. Khrenush niksal Milchmet. Zagam tirazam sheker algay sheker be Milchemet Levanon. Milhehmet levanon Arishona istabcha lobiglalha Milchamatzma, badah sharon apopomishimit gageel begin andilo sele m shalashomit shumdawa bakalkala, we nich nasli diki ki sharon iftihlalh boshot before ken kvasha bufokul mazadvaraz Milhehmet levanon arishona nih sela biglal shikul midini mitum tam. Velamoya metum tam. Shikula midi a shikula mediniya ya l'htomal eskem shalom nifaden bashilizmeyel zaya eskem arayona ya mitumtam shaf ayf sharlevin. Call me shem kirat levanonon, kaske yom mmuvan shabasha she ku kulam o simba mashemutzimbagadol ken, velakshovsh Bashir Zmeyelze lehtom zeb seda, ve odva khi chamur shamudi in shelanu lottif kedz, a mussad afahle zeshu mabuva vetzunoh shel masha maronima no nozri mamuru, loitalam shumha aracha atzma it shelmashkurbel vadon, amaronim sipula no shakachas. Nachhon shembalchila no vettamida yu khasim tovim benatunit letla la maronima vale lolishkoh shem levanonim shelhem yeshkodem kol interess mi shelem le mi mi velom kilo kmole koladam normalikan vele kmoshe yesh s sefer modmanian shachtik kuimlo, lemchhaber shuayara kaz shel shabak machameshmotve arba belevano, atzapuimlo shhod belevanon. Shu m t shamatzav shaya shpiguim negit khaalim Uesh Zelo Falestinaim Zashim. We tamachit Zeloman yin kizelo ye choli yo chashim zakwale no orez shemyasonagdno piguim. Abni shulta tsmi ayyom az nachon sha azlo ya internet tsi tipa liftohtawashimait inima loyti katam, kamesh mutvarba i tibashwa her, ba meshme tvarba, awalanyodama za vodaza, tima ni meduve mission yumerlo, yakh ki halak. Ma sapeli ma sha kenchha kore meze me laze kilo laze laze mese di mur, leze olech, le ki Afhad Lutanyan sh the kwa anathukwashosh ni machama pechairani t ken, ayusham ksheribrani, zlzloman yanfhad, echzef shari, mefozenov zahaza alashabak, aniho shebere shimafhu et kolapilutah shait le sikul, mtut kim me pinamisuyemit ken ma sha ken speak ebneadam, kenze kol athaim za kodem la kol, awalata kshatausek bisikul, atta osek be rak, bemashu had yesh pigua vein pigua, o in pigua. Avalkasheratausek rak beze atamefaspes itkol apsha shathame vabea, sheyutsi pigwim. Adifani koshev limnoa e khom laugotam kshimktanim lifnation gele masharbotse.

SPEAKER_02 56:51

Echhoskim b shetahze. Twamoze la dat, shulichemzgajo, vashekhazi, khamsit ve comita kovrotele.

SPEAKER_01 57:00

Ma mansa midad ka ni mramat provocazia, la foch leote, muhabarat, kegebtazi.

SPEAKER_02 57:21

Miktoit Mistrah.

SPEAKER_01 57:27

No, Mr. Hashait Miktoit oratka. Codum cole codum cole shame, like, not a shashimase perlano, call me, have him shame. Islamit, Limulia, call must in the universitariel we come to me dotai, I would spitanyot, October, because October we have October Telmidote, we're seeing Shemisapuli Maza Wat's time Bayosh, Lift October. Hesh Mashim Sipuli, Aniya Martin M to Kede, Bali Bozmanit, Litfoktohbakir, Lit Yep, Vegam, Lirot, Bakod Bashakh, B Shabakin Kim Shajusham. Kimasha Asham, Anil Tadhemati La Dati Bihlash, let'sol, let's pitaniot in shum yekholch communikat, araklam fakeda chelem y chulah yi khulal dabe makohhodbaseh. Azem sapotliken shiro a shahamas mitamen imamrali memceratlala ken vazi mazikae mokohhodbashetak az mempeitan khanim ani shirati betan khanim good mataim gilu na hot, az mempeitan khanim mim rume gilo, khmeshumer loiguni lohiguni loi choliot cheshle mamral. Ani merlategidi elzair holyyota. Potsmaze nuntet zegjuni shalem, avalemral z loiguni, miata rabba, bz nuntet, kolelamral betohon. Kin chma kim mazavas the mattakholshav Vhakak Abaimle Ancheshabak Shelkulam Yeshem Generi, Gai Ustir, Shemitan Y not Bebanote Bokarimutan Bepinzetanashema, Kaniumatli Lakakatas Mash, Lakhle, Kamadakot, Limtofose, Hulali Wat Zimia, the Banotro, Azbaima Shabakti, Bihalomit Bemashlem Lomar, Mr. Zoit Naguchel Anche, Shen Shit Zoit Nagin, Mish's What's Well,' Shimon, Tishwe, Tanohi, Shvitanohi, Cafe Cola. And he's a very good, but I'm going to go to the house of Colma Shahta Yudea. Talom, Michael the Shabak, can Shabakhim tattak, Kolmini Dwarim, Lachaturi, Til can Tiltuch Shabak. Aval Shov Aikoron Mothshuv, Achirabekoach Zelo Kibenamit Kil Shakir, Kiul Zeloyavod. Anirot benadam e khabel, makira mechabore can, ava lachshafgama itron shel Khabeshmotika e Modin Huv. Modinhu vi zelo sikoul, elazabeduk la datat ma kurepobakfar. We shilza maitronche mishu, bo anya azma ka cigar, ki kafe, kin shelemha kafeh La Virle Khaze, Munim Kashim Kichma, Azanimi Gayes Kamakele, Vani Yodakura, Nio Semapa, Mio Merma, Zeshmu to Litany Beshmot Borussia, Ove Morocco, Todavar. Tamidish is the Bemaro, Bebholit, can we? Soviet, Tamidash was aft saftour to Sorgot, and Saf Tot Kencha Bemet Bere Khalot Bemet Sorgot, but Gammira Halot Matik Kachazov. Loyumatzlimotas can at lev not mishu mishu Zarpo, Michu Belon with Matakama Kama and Shame and Shemusadnit Pisupam Bishwem Suma shoulobesed Soleza Shubinyan, Vishu Shama Zarimpo, Lob Sedar, with Kashaan Zurichilo, the Zakhaza, Shir sait Hunot Menugadot, Solelotken, Kidelot Solelan, Tsarich Trich Tchunot Menugadot, Mitsadhlot Ikpati, Vere Utwikosken, Kulam Kulametimbeyakad, Mitsatchini Kideshiloyamutu Beyakad Mimukad, Rak Matavkit Shiloh, Vitziklish Moral Gamal Ichpatyot, Vegamal Mek, Ken Acharatevsha, Bemodin, and Nikoshevkin, Shikhlot Sakranot, Sakranot, letterboot Sakranot ze, V Valgam Hashdanut. Kibedechla Nashim Hashdanim Loptuhim, Mm Low Hashdanim, Azinimagishilfhot Bayakadken, can gam Yudash Zagamketa Zelo Drishotamiksua, Tsavait kifi, the Kishkush Mukhnati, Katsawa ubeagdarato tafkidatsava, zele magir oyeve, kelev tifa oo kzechimoto, rachma, akma uzichladat, haganaveshkrav mit kafab, tzikladaat lenech name. Tadat lakodbupinalo yev thadat listeralov. Kenbidu kawali gam the shubs the mikzuazhani koshed bamishu, zagamlefh anikhoshev za anilos any shum sinakla peyat tarbuta ravit, anni e anilomedlin agaen al udva ani kurer mbam shmunapwakimat haien be moan vukimba Aravit, Zalakshov Shawva Tkufatarambam, very hal atkufa Sheba uhameyudi medhushev Aravit, ken the Clasota Frada Bain Tarbuta Aravit L Hamasa. Wal Mutneshani makirta Tarbuttazot, asbashuzafedat moshemlamdim shoba nyilora kaz shabak, awanesh melamdim otam ata shuel masha kaha, atam vakesh kafe kaha, ta shote kafe, be ofin musuyam, yma tatoh tzlikot, atalhul, awalama zekha, walama mkele ta noamatzbenote mvinchem, be samti lev anilunit kalba tofakazotim lo yudim uimana nashim shemban kahaim lo liberalim ngdi kaha. Klamatabincholi muty bemte zoshi matzegit batsava. Lemashel, Aval law lama Iranim kele, adjumer, stop. Zo shila istori tani storyon baskalati aval shva istori t'af pam lomem matsa in si ba istori ta'atken, ma sha shuvli muddin, kri le kabalatahla tot zelo, lama emosim zele rega, aha im mashanah hemosima knohulimihotemza, o lo imloma imlom manach nosim, manach nosimashela, lama z maskirle ta mahona zemelo dezh Moshon of Yel Shahoni, ahashviro shot shmidotano, atasilo endelech, lawyer tzela smidotano, ki mehore shaila zotlama la me kele anishome holcheni paranoto an the shame shome bashu attab attabat shemkel Ulata Simashulanhon, Ulanachlum Vinim the Kazan.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:26

She betum Anachno Kisra Zimbatsmenu, Banachno Bouch Anachno a Gorum to Bouchon Zahtihon, Bachtul I Hidinha Trimla Vin Bishword with Israel, and Tha Vinotha, Havin Taravi. I mean a Vinotha, Name, or if tort about

SPEAKER_01 1:07:58

Israel centri and machimimut kulambe Israel centri. Israeli lomer kazaulam, okay, im Israeli lomer kazoolam, and shum sibah sh reform is patit bh kol shob misrahtichon, ja nien etonim amer kazim sha la ulam kashamovan, aha olab gam za gama khashulama anim margish benoh, bekama safoturopeyot, beno safle parsit le rusitularavit, vaniyodeshha ulam wachav, gam New Delhi zaulam, gam tehran zaolam, gam Moskwa, zaheleqpona, gam Paris o Madrid. La nashim shu wim, ah olam ngdenu, anachnum mitsura imba olam, hazaka, alo tamashim sha olamam misteria mi binana ma ref New York Times, akapravda on the hats in Ben New York, Baha Foshu London, Berlin le colota. Call Shaolam Zelokayam. The olamotha, uh, Domit B California, Lotha.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:02

San Francis. Lo Domit. Ah, Domit. Dom Los Angeles, San Diego. Sheftibe San Diego, Bachabad, Bhabad. Conservativit, you behof, conservativit looks uh, nothing. I grim shell, you're not the coach, you can be like a shame. Lamonian. I'm not at uh the show that teams, bad shane, me at the cantalia, love and can be cotton, learn that cocktail. Kill the cotton. Kill the Minagamakom, take you, Tio, come on shani over cotton. Man, lots of Mudimacotel and Hubakim or Balvisha. Look how Tavo is about it covered, the trikashil uh zaulam.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:12

Ken and lo babeta not le sha, so le chasedut gur shem lo sovalin velo pluralist him kemloh ham mash hem. Can elem shum yumra leitzeg arachim shem lo. Ken le chassidut brezzler Zo le khasidut brezler lo matchut breastler ken yesh. Ken yesh khasidud brezlov, khasidut brezler, can as uh shikma. Ken shekma can the ko the colour le can Bashaba ba bayashely are lose shemishu lisgor utsarbae sra shemishu Lisgore utsarbaesa Bishem Demokratia. V'im Beminati Srael Yesh elef bne Adam Shekushwimka, I need to used to have a problem. Sele bita, you tok, shemishu would sell is gorts, televisia biglal, beshem demokratia. Mael fachot dhamma bonitnik. Demokratia amit skill. Democratashu hit the bull's eye again. Ken Shemanian Shikla Iraq Democratia Amamia can Republika a Republika Polonita Polska Narodova Republika can Republika Polonita Amamit a Republika Amamit were Democratic. The Korea as the Deutsche Democratic Republic can D era Republika Germanita. Democratia Boroschot, Zematia Toho.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:12

So, we're going to be a very good thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:24

Hi, Zan with Afghas, and we have to be able to get the people who are going to be able to do it. But two are the same things.