Concert Night Turned Nightmare

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A Family Night Out Turns Dark

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello, everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Skip Happens podcast. Usually I come on here and I'm all excited and I'm gonna be talking to an artist or a big star or somebody in the entertainment field. Uh, but that's not gonna be the case tonight. Although, yeah, skip happens, and and I guess in a lot of different ways. Uh imagine, let me let me just kind of put you in the to the frame of mind here. Imagine taking your family to a concert you're expecting music, laughter, maybe a night everyone's gonna remember for the right reasons. Then without warning, without warning, think about this. A stranger allegedly exposes himself and he urinates on members of your family who's in the presence of an eight-year-old girl, among many others, uh standing standing nearby. What happened was uh captured on video. Uh, it just totally blew my mind when I saw it. Uh, being a country music guy, being at these shows, uh, and and mentioning the shows, I do want to say this has nothing to do with the artist at hand. Uh, it was a Morgan Wallen show. It was in Baltimore, has nothing to do with that. This has got to do with the people that were there and people that went to enjoy the music and Morgan Wallen being such a big star. Well, what happened was captured on video. It was shared across social media, seen by thousands of people. And Troy's gonna tell you in just a minute, he has not had a moment of peace since all this happened. Now, I gotta say, I'm giving him a lot of credit for doing what he's doing because it needs to be heard and the right people need to need to do what they need to do. But uh behind the viral video is a real family, and we're gonna hear about Troy's family here in a minute and says uh it was humiliated, frightened, and left searching for answers. And uh Troy, Troy is here to join me tonight to talk about it. Like I say, it's the uh Skip Happens podcast, it's it's about real people, the real experiences, and the stories that happen when the spotlight fades. And I always say every boot tells a story. Now, I know you got work boots on, you're not a country artist, you're a lineman, you're an electrician, so you got the work boots on. But every boot tells a story, and this is one that you're gonna find is difficult, disturbing, and important. Uh Troy Grielding, that's how I you say it, right? Yeah, I say right. Yeah, welcome, welcome to the podcast, man.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Thanks for having me, Skip. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

Yeah, you know, when all this went down, it's like I I actually saw it. I thought it might have been, I don't know if it was TMZ or I don't know, it was one of the big big news.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

Uh TMZ was the first one to reach out, start asking some questions and stuff like that. And then uh they asked if you know if make it error. And I'm like, absolutely, that's that's what this goal is. Let's get that out there. Let's let's show the world what happened.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Let's do it. All right, and so all right, so you attended the concert, it was in Baltimore. Correct. Uh you were with your family, including two young nieces. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

It was uh myself, my wife, uh, my brother, his wife, and his two young kids.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

Okay, and you expected a night of entertainment together. Yep. Uh instead, uh, some guy that was standing that apparently was standing behind you, allegedly urinated on members of the family. The video recorded after the incident was obviously shared online, which I mentioned minutes ago. But um, you know, let's first of all, who would who attended the concert with you?

SPEAKER_01 3:23

Uh, my wife Andy, my brother Tim, my sister-in-law Lauren, and their two kids, ages eight and eleven.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

And and what were you expecting out of this night together? I mean, just a good time.

SPEAKER_01 3:33

Yeah, I mean, for me and my wife, it was gonna be our first family or first, I'm gonna say, getaway without kids in nearly almost two years, you know. So we were looking forward to you know, having a couple days because we went down Thursday. It was a Saturday night show. We went down Thursday, we were gonna make a big weekend of it. My brother was gonna come up from North Carolina, we were gonna you know go down. It was like a halfway point, and you know, it was supposed to be just this big weekend of get together. You know, you don't get to see them a lot, you know, they're 10, 12 hours away, so we were gonna have the best of it.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

You know, so this was that MNT stadium in Baltimore, which is uh pretty cool. But first time ever being there.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

I mean, uh the stadium was pretty cool. I mean, I I was impressed by everything. I mean, the layout of the the stadium, everything. It was it was cool. I was ready for a good time. So it was good atmosphere when you got there. Uh so to paint the picture, okay. I should have left I love the way I made my wife tickets and my system law tickets a couple different times now. And they're supposed to go to MetLife Stadium, they were supposed to go here, there for whatever reasons, they never made it to the show. So then when he released this tour date, it was like the middle, so it was like perfect. It was like, all right, this is gonna be this is it, right? So we get there, and leading up to it, a me being a lineman, I'm getting storm text after storm text saying, No, there's this. I'm literally getting storm text for Baltimore. So I'm like, this is not gonna end well. Like, I already have a bad feeling. We get there up till Saturday. It was great. We had an awesome time Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Weather starts rolling in. Next thing you know, there's thunder, there's lightning, it downpours. I mean, we we hide in the truck for a little bit, we come back out, we go back in the truck. It's yeah, yeah, you're gonna do what it is. I mean, sometimes you gotta take that shittiness and make it fun. You know what it means? Right, right. You just gotta go with the flow almost, right? You gotta next thing you know, they're like shelter in place. They took all their merchandise stands out. We literally just showed up to buy merchandise and they close all the tents, and there's a shelter in place. I look at my wife, I said, I'm telling you right now, if this cancels, I am never buying another ticket again. I'm just jinxed, it's just meant not to be. We're not gonna do it.

SPEAKER_02 5:46

All right.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

So we end up going back to the truck, hang out. They end up delaying letting us in, I think, from 4 30 to like 6 30. But when they let us in, I was like, Yes, it's finally happening, we're here, it's going to happen. So, like the whole lead up was like, Oh my god, it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. But and then it happened. All right, and then it gets ruined. It's like it should have just never happened.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Well,

Early Red Flags In The Row

SPEAKER_00 6:10

well, you know, yeah, it did get ruined, but uh, this whole up to this point, though, you guys were making you're making eight out of eleven. So you're having fun, the family's together. I'm sure you're having a few cocktails, you're hanging out, you're listening to some great Morgan Waller music, maybe getting yourself pumped up, doing what you gotta do. Um, you know, this guy that did this, did you notice him uh near you beforehand at all? Did he kind of like did you go, what is up with that guy?

SPEAKER_01 6:37

Well, he showed up probably a couple songs into Ella Langley's set. And when he showed up, he was already like on his phone face timing, super loud. He's got his like phone up and he's like facing backwards so he can show whoever's on the phone, like, hey, look where I'm at. Oh, geez, and you know, whatever. We're all excited, we're all there for a good time. So he bumped in me a few times, no big deal. He's loud, whatever. We're all having a good time. Well, I end up hearing him say, These aren't even my seats, blah blah blah. After probably no exaggeration, the tenth time this dude bumped into me from behind me. I turned around and I said, Hey man, if you're gonna sit here, put your phone away and enjoy the show. Right, you're not gonna sit here and enjoy the show. Go sit in your seats and be on your phone in your seats so I can enjoy the show. And I turned right around before I gave him a like any chance to like respond. You know what I mean? I wasn't trying to get into anything. I just turned around and I said what I said, and after I said it, I heard it in my own head, and it maybe sounded like I was a dick. You know what I mean? Whatever. Well, at that point, like I knew what I said, and I already knew he was kind of intoxicated. So at that point, I'm not no dummy. I text my brother and said, Hey, just keep an eye out behind us. So at that point, it got his attention. Well, I've come to find out the dude standing behind me, puffing his chest and like bawling his fist like he wants to hit me. Probably went on for I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

Is this the guy that ended up doing what it was? Okay, okay, continue then.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

All right, so he's balling his fist like he wants to hit me. My brother leans back and says, Hey, bud, if you're smart, you would you'd take a chill. And then he realized like we were there as a group. A couple minutes later, he walks over and fist bumped my brother. He goes, It's all good, man. No, no, no worries. Nothing more was said. So come intermission. Uh, my family goes to get you know drinks and some food. Me and my wife go get some drinks and food. And when we come back, the gentleman's still sitting there. So I approached him, I said, Hey man, I said, I don't know if I was a dick or not, or how I if I came across as a dick. I said, I wasn't trying to be. I said, you know, we're all here to have fun. I apologize if I, you know, pissed you off or said something you know that offended you. I said, but you know, I apologize. We end up literally having a conversation. We chit-chatted about you know, basketball, football, this day. He told me he's a Steelers fan. My wife and her family are huge Steelers fans. I'm not a huge anybody fan, but yeah, you know, yeah, I get it. We're talking about, we're being very cordial, and everything's just nice, you know what I mean. My brother shows up, everyone's talking, they photobomb our pictures. I mean, we went through our pictures and they must have photobombed almost half of the pictures that were taken, you know what I mean? So you would have thought everything was just done, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 9:18

Just water under the bridge, done and over.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

Well, I don't know, literally, I didn't keep track, but it had to be just a couple songs into Morgan Wall and set. Again, maybe three, four songs, five at the most. My nieces, uh, like it was like me, my wife, my niece, my brother was actually sitting.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

Yeah, I was gonna ask how close, for example, the kids were.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

Yep, so it was me, my wife, and we were kind of almost standing like side by side, like hard to scribe, but like real close to each other, you know what I mean? Yeah, and then my niece was standing on the uh the seat instead of sitting, so she could see above the people in front of us. So my brother was sitting, kind of his hand was on her butt, you know, just to make sure she didn't fall or anything. And right, I was more into watching my wife and my nieces than I was really watching the show. This was them, this was why we went like they were so excited. It was like my wife was dying to go. So I was more into watching their reactions of their enjoyment, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 10:23

Getting into the show, getting into like they're one of their favorite artists up there on stage, which is cool.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

So again, we're standing there, and I felt I don't, I'm not gonna call it a splash or a stream or anything, but like I felt something like on my leg or foot area, and I was like, Yeah, you know, it could have been somebody spilling a soda or a beer or whatever. Been doing to stadiums, football games where like there's not enough room, there's never enough cup holders. Like, it's never enough room. No, you know, get it never. So at that time, I just thought

Exposure And Urination In The Stands

SPEAKER_01 11:00

he spilled something, and then my wife says, Whatever that man's doing back there is literally going all down my leg. And at that point, I still I still feel it. I kind of like to turn and look, but I was already kind of angled, and I don't know what caught my eye, but there was like a motion of like either him bending over or coming back up, or like, but there was a motion to where he caught my eye. So I like looked, and at that point, I mean his pants are down. I mean, his pants, he was exposed. No, when I say his pants down, guys, I'm not saying his pants are around his knees or his ankles, his pants are down like any guy would have his pants down.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

He was yes, you're relieving yourself, right? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

I don't care okay how he was relieving himself. It that does not matter. You're in the green stand, oh, his junk, everything's out. Jesus. I don't know if any of you like I used race motocross. Okay, yeah, I've crashed a lot of times, but when you go to crash, everything goes slow motion, like you literally see the pebble, you see everything while you're crashing, right? Okay, the only way I could describe this was it went slow motion as if I was racing and I was crashing. I everything just like froze, but everything happens so fast. So at that point, like I looked at my brother. Not that my brother is a mean guy, but my brother is a guy you don't mess with. Okay, like he back in the day, you don't mess with him. Like, for example, I hit him with a golf club as hard as I could one day. The golf club wrapped around his head. He looked at me and said, You better grab another one.

SPEAKER_00 12:34

Okay, well, that's a brother, and you you know, I we just met officially, but you're a big dude. So my brother's three times my size.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

Okay, okay so like he he'd be the type of person that like let you hit him, then go after you, type of thing. So like I looked at him almost like asking for permission. Like, what the hell do I do right now? Like, do I yank this dude up? Like, what do I do? My niece is here at this point. Like, she's still facing this stadium, like the like the stage, right? She doesn't like she's not physically aware of what's happening. This is the eight-year-old. This is the eight-year-old. Okay, so at this point, like I'm not trying to make it a scene for her to turn around. Like, I'm not gonna make a scene for her. At this point, my wife is like looking at it like, holy shit. My brother's like, holy shit. And again, like we looked at each other in disbelief. We had no clue what to do. Like, at that point, there's a million things rushing through your mind, you know what I mean? Like a million things, and I just figured at that time, I mean, did you confront him? Did you turn around and think about it? I turn right around and I grab him by the shirt and I start pushing him back, and I'm yelling, You're fucking pissing on me and my wife. What the fuck are you doing? You fucking sit down. And what did he do what did he do? He's literally trying to fist bump me, going, Man, it's okay, brother. It's okay, man. It's all good, brother. And I'm like, No, it's not all fucking good. You're pissing all over me and my wife. Like, what the fuck are you doing? And at this point, like I said, I mean the stream was I felt it on us, but at this point, like the splash was all over all over everybody.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

And everybody did um anybody sitting next to you did any of anybody else witness this and say something or or step forward and go digging at the moment.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

I'm gonna say no because everyone's eyes were full of focus on what's going on on the stage.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

In the stage.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

Um but after I turned around and I said what it was, I don't know if the lady in the family that was directly next to them, behind me in that same row, seen anything. I do know she reached out, you know, because of Facebook, she found me. Yeah, all of their items were ruined, her purse had pee all over it, all their food, all of their stuff. So, I mean, there's clear other people that got affected by this too, you know what I mean? Not just me and my family, right? How did the children react? So at that time, or they didn't really realize what was going on. She didn't realize exactly what was happening to her. Okay, but when I turned around and I grabbed a dude, and like my brother picked up my niece and moved her, and I told my wife, you better move. Because at that point, like, yeah, I had the dude like push back, and I kind of had a shirt in my hand, you know, like not gonna let him go anywhere. And he cocked back like he wanted to punch me, and I begged him, I said, Do it, buddy, do it, do it. You're gonna make my day punch me. I mean, I I wanted him because at that point it was self-defense, it was anything. But if I turned around, you know, you know, it's dark, you know, you can't see, you know, what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

Is anyone seeing him pee on me? Us no, but if I turn around and I start just throwing, you know, lefts at this dude, anyone's gonna see just me turning around and throwing punches, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:40

So then they're gonna assume that you did something and now it's and then who gets in trouble? The guy who's doing nothing, you know what I mean? Yeah, but you know, I have to give you a lot of credit for acting the way that you acted because uh I think if it was me and if it was one of my daughters, oh I said that. I mean, I'm just saying that uh all right, I'd be the one say that, okay, because I've said it, and I'm sure my brother said we have a six-year-old and I have an eight-year-old.

SPEAKER_01 16:07

Yep, yeah, you know, and we go camping. I don't let my eight-year-old walk to the bathroom by herself, I let her go, and I'll I'll go 50, 60 yards behind her, yeah, to let her think she's a big kid and be by herself. But you know what? I don't trust people. I I don't trust people. I don't blame you. I follow my kid when she comes out and she's like, Oh dad, why'd you follow? It's not I don't trust you, baby. It's I don't trust these people, you know what I mean? And that's a sad thing to have to to say.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

So one day after after all this, how did he get up and walk out? Did you guys go and get pushed by

Confrontation Without Escalation

SPEAKER_00 16:40

the well no?

SPEAKER_01 16:40

Like I said, I had right a hold of them. Ushers were trying to separate us, and I wasn't letting anyone between us unless you were when did the state troopers get involved? So to clarify some things, at the moment, I thought it was state troopers. I was told a state trooper was the first one with the call, X, Y, and Z. Come to find out, I guess it was MTA that got the call. I guess troopers escorted the guy out. I don't really know because you can go up to me on like in the video, you see me go up to a gentleman and and ask him if you know I were to piss on somebody, would you arrest me? And you hear him say, All I did was escort them out. That's what I was told to do. I don't know what department he was with. Okay, but I do know that there was multiple well the departments within that building.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Yeah, I I know from concerts that I work or I'm attending, either or whatever. There's you know, we have the sheriffs, we have the troopers, we have the local municipality, we have they're all there and they're all working together. So, and I I would imagine that they even have uh the venue probably has its own security.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

And I put that with Apex, if I'm correct.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

Oh, was it? Yeah, yeah. So these are the the officers we saw in the video. You think they were the MTA or that was the MTA? Uh the ones where I'm asking for names, beds, but they still do they have the right to arrest somebody?

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Do they so they're they're from my understanding, from what I was being told, was that Baltimore PD itself is short staffed, so they hire out MTA, kind of like a subcontractor, to go in and you know run the venues and stuff when they're short-staffed. So that's why they're there. MTA, from again, my understanding is airports, bridges, tunnels, things of that nature, especially down there.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

I mean, we have you know homeland security as well, like with New York and the bridges and all that. I mean, it's the same idea, I totally get that. Uh, so you approach them, you wanted them to do something. We ever think everybody in the world has seen that video, and I'm not kidding, I think everybody in the world has seen that video. Uh it's gone pretty viral. It has, and it's it's really made you a busy man.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

I honestly when it all happened, like I said, when they started to do nothing, and they literally just started just to walk away. My wife hit hates it because I will scroll through TikTok. But I tell you what, I you can learn a lot of dumb shit from TikTok. You really can, like, as dumb as it is, it can be beneficial. And I just knew it, you know, from watching different, you know, not podcasts, but different uh no, no, there's different things. Once you're being recorded, now there's an accountability. And then my other thought to this process was you know what? I can ask for body cams, I can ask for all this stuff. Sure can. But guess what? Oh, the file came up missing. Oh, you know, we weren't recording. Oh, you know what? XYZ.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

So when I'm recording and I have that right, I have that evidence and I have everything, I can go back and say, hey, look, did any of these officers offer to have you fill out a report, a citizen's arrest, or anything like that, or say to come out, you know, or offer to do a report on any of this, or they were they just like, okay, he's out of here, everything's gonna be fine, go about your business.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

So, in the heat of everything, um I come to find out afterwards, after talking with the detective, he did go outside, he detained them, he got all their information. For whatever their laws are, he still had no right to like hold and detain to arrest. You know what I mean? Again, the one officer Gotz or Gotel or whatever his name is, the first one there who was I'm gonna say probably the biggest, the most unprofessional out of them all. I don't want to call names or no, no, absolutely not. And I don't want you to. No, I think also again, I I'll refrain from doing that. I'm gonna say he handled it very unprofessionally. He had zero care. I mean, if you're gonna go into law enforcement, you're there to help the people. Exactly. Before I got into being a lineman, I was about to go do a Suego City PD. You know what I mean? If you're gonna get into that giant line of work, you're doing it because you care about what you want to do and you want to make things better. Like you care about your community, exactly 100%. And so if you don't care about your community and you're and you're only there for a job, go find a job where like people don't need you, like you're not needed by like the community.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

Right. There's all there's so many good cops. There's you know what I mean. I mean, I have uh my godson is a police officer, he's the chief of police in a local community. He um, you know, I've got uh relatives that have gone on to be cops, and you know, they give you the shirt off their back and they would do whatever.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

My best friend is, you know, uh an assistant chief. Uh, I have family that are, you know, within high of you know, law enforcement to the low. I have respect for them all, you know. I mean, and that's why even in the video, you hear me saying this isn't about you, right? This is about the law and what you can do. You know, my goal wasn't to blast these cops individually, you know, for any one thing, but at the end of the day, I still want to hold you accountable, right? And if you had something that you could have done. And you should have done, I'm gonna hold you accountable for that.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

Absolutely. And I I totally understand that. But you know, and I'm not, but everybody's only human.

SPEAKER_01 22:10

But to answer that question, they did file the report. Officer Detective Um Barry, he did go out, he did everything. He said that they were gonna file a report because you can hear the first officer say, Oh, we can just refer you to the commissioner. We can refer you to the commissioner. I did hear that. And that's all he wanted to do. He just wanted me to refer me to the

Security Response And Legal Limits

SPEAKER_01 22:30

commissioner. So when was he trying to blow you off?

SPEAKER_00 22:32

Like just like okay, because exactly he didn't want to do maybe. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

I'm he figured if I would walk away, I wouldn't waste my time, I wouldn't go to the commissioner, there wouldn't be nothing, there would be no no need for any of this, right? And and then I even asked him, You want me to go to the commissioner? So what you want me to go get all these names and witnesses, or you want me to go do your job? No, go out into the stands, right? People reached out to me saying, Oh my god, all my stuff was ruined because of this. Did they go talk to those people? Absolutely not, absolutely not. They didn't do a damn thing, right? And that's what pisses me off. You know what I mean? They could have at least made it look like they tried, they did nothing.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

And Troy, let me ask you at this point, what do you hope happens?

SPEAKER_01 23:20

I mean, at the end of the day, I think uh I've already succeeded. My my main goal was to make this aware. Um, it it it's it's aware, yeah. But I want to bring this dude's I want to rock this dude's world, and I'm pretty sure I did. What even pisses me off though is the dude's on probation right now, currently out of North Carolina for another oh, yeah. Well, I don't know exactly. Well, I do know what offense, I'm not gonna spill no 30 laundry. I don't want you to, but I can tell you this dude has a rap sheet longer than this table is high. Okay, well, the dude is on probation currently, you know what I mean. So, like it it paints the picture of what kind of guy this human really is. You know what I mean? He's he's not a nice human, not at all, anybody.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

I don't I don't care if you're you know so drunk you can't walk. It wasn't somebody get him out of there or something like dude, dude, you can't do this, you know.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

Let me ask you a question, and I'll I'll be the first one to admit it myself. We've been out at some place and you're like, Oh, I gotta piss. You go find a place in the corner and you go hide the piss, right? You don't just drop it in the middle of the bar or where you've tried before and had a pull over and go take a link. Okay, but dude, but now let me say this if you were to piss on somebody on accident, what's the first thing you do? I'm you apologize, I did not mean to do that.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

I was just trying to pee, I couldn't get away. Ah, I know, but still to get to that point. You shouldn't even have to do it.

SPEAKER_01 24:49

All right, what are you gonna do it? Right, right. Own up to it. Oh, dude, I can't believe I freaking did it. I was just trying to, whatever. Again, I'm not trying to defend him by any means, but own up to your shit, right? And that's what this whole thing boils down to. Own up to your shit from everybody, everybody involved in all this from stadium, police, that guy, everything.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Let's talk about the stadium a little bit. So you reached out to them, they they got back to you, correct?

SPEAKER_01 25:16

I they did, and I mean, again, this is my personal that's all and opinion and feeling here. I sent emails out Sunday morning to obviously Morgan Wallins PR team. I sent them out to but you gotta remember they don't have anything to make light make them aware of them aware of the situation. All right, it was I I because L was on the and uh you know it was a great show. It was Morgan's show. So again, I I in the email I never asked anything, I never asked for reimbursements or this that I simply texted or sent that email to inform them what happened in case they were not aware. Obviously, it was so new, you know what I mean? It hasn't it never spread on Facebook yet, so it was still very early. So I just wanted to reach out because this was Saturday, right? That was Sunday morning, but this yeah, but Saturday night. So Saturday night was the concert. Saturday night was the concert. Sunday morning, I did all this. Um I found you know the gentleman, I made my post, I did my stuff. I mean, there was a couple guys on Facebook without those couple gentlemen, I would have never gotten this far. So I mean, between Cody and Keith, you guys rock. I mean, you guys have got it this far. Um I don't know. So what did when they responded? When he responded, like I said, I I felt I I I messaged everybody Sunday. I didn't get anything back till Tuesday from the venue.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Yep, and this is already well you gotta remember too. Sunday's probably not a work day, they're not in there, maybe they're not checking their emails.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Of a you're the president of uh of a business or a building or something like that. Guess what? You work 24 hours a day. You do, you do. You you work 24 hours a day. No, I do. And if you don't want that responsibility, go find a new job. Yeah, just because you're the president of customer guest relations services, and guess what? I did not have a very good guest service relationship in that building, right? You know what I mean? I got you. So he ended up reaching out, okay? And he reached out on Tuesday, and I kind of even called him out. I say, I honestly think that you only reached out because you kind of have to now. It's gone this far. Now you kind of have to reach out because you gotta kind of cover your steps. And again, that's just how I felt in the moment. After we had a conversation, you know, it was me, my brother, and uh the president of the stadium. We had probably an hour, hour and 15 long conversation. I think he understands a lot of the frustration. I think he understands where there is some accountability on the stadium, too.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

Is that where they left it? Like, we don't know what we're gonna do yet, but we're looking into it.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

He told us that we are now Ravens family for life. Okay, what that means is uh if my kid needs to go to a venue and she doesn't think she's comfortable to go to a venue, they will find a way to make it comfortable for her. They will find for I told her, I told them it it's not even just this, but that just a year old girl just got exposed to this. What does that do to this eight-year-old? I have an eight-year-old now with mental health issues, and we go to counseling and we do all this. Sure. What is this gonna do to this little girl for the rest of her life?

SPEAKER_00 28:32

No, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

That's what this is the biggest picture of me. I mean, everything else, I don't care. All right, yeah, you know, it it's but still I want to make sure hey, she's good to go, you know, and not traumatized for life by it.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Because again, I mean, yeah, there's a lot more to it than just becoming a Ravens fan for life or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

And that's that's all you know, that's it was too minor.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

It was too early to say that's nice of you, but you can't.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

That doesn't matter. Pissed me off even more is first words out of his mouth should have been, How is your niece? Is everything okay? Anything I can do for you? There was none of that. It was oh, so I yeah, I heard about the incident. Can you tell me a little bit more about it? Dah da da. There was no compassion, there was no care, and that was where I even stopped and said, Hey, you seen how emotion I had in that video? I said, I don't drink, I'm 100% sober. That was pure emotion and passion. I said, and you just about lit that same spark. I said, because all of this is because of that eight-year-old girl, not me. If it was just me, I would have whatever. There's an eight-year-old girl in there, and not one person in that stadium offered any assistance. Not one. They never offered uh, hey, can we get you a you know, a shirt, a towel, can we get you anything to clean, you know, clean you up? You think you need some new seats? They never offered to even change our seats, they nothing. You know what I mean? Again, there was no compassion. And then when I got that phone call and the first words were nothing more other than, hey, is your niece okay? I was pissed. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 30:05

Like, yeah, no, I don't blame you there. I don't blame you there. How did um how did the uh children react afterwards? Did how did they uh I mean you must have talked to them about it? Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

In the moment, uh I we didn't even know it because after it was all said and done, I told everybody, I need you to go through your phones and your pictures because I was recording, like I said, my niece and my wife more than I was watching the show. Sure. So I happened to notice on my phone that my other niece was recording, like us. So I was going through and I was like, Hey, check your guys' phones, we need to see what we have. And on one of the uh phones, I think it was maybe my sister-in-law's phones. My eight-year-old uh niece hit record, and you can hear her screaming and just terrified. And you know, we're yelling at that dude, you know, I'm gonna kill you. You know, you f you know what I mean, yeah. Right, right. So she's hearing all this, and like you can hear on the film, I don't want dad to die, I don't want dad to die. Oh my gosh, is dad gonna get arrested? You know what I mean? So, like this little girl thinks her dad's gonna die or be arrested, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 31:11

Yeah, that's on top of everything else because of what is happening, and it's you know what I mean. So it was just it just keeps snowballing. Exactly. Um, how did you explain it to them when you talk to them? What did you what did you tell?

SPEAKER_01 31:24

That was more I let my brother and my sister in law do that. That's his kids. Now, my kids before I even got home, my kids were already they heard about it somehow. Well, again, I don't we don't shelter my kids, we talk to uh my kids like they're adults,

Stadium Accountability And Kids’ Aftermath

SPEAKER_01 31:40

you know what I mean? They they know right and wrong, they know this and that. So we explained what happened, and even my six and eight-year-old said, Dad, why would any person ever do that?

SPEAKER_00 31:49

That's just disgusting, and it is totally, totally. Has this changed how they feel or you feel about attending concerts or large public events in the future? I'm a homebody to begin with, except for a Morgan Wallen show.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

I went for my wife.

SPEAKER_00 32:06

I you know, I went for my wife. Oh, I mean that you can't be at a good Morgan Wallen concert, so and an Ella Langley on top of that. I'm just saying. I I was really looking forward to Ella.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

What really stinks though is I was gonna take my kids to C Mac to see Ella. Yeah, that's what I'm not gonna do now.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Well, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 32:25

I'm not, you know. I mean, why do I want to put my kids out there?

SPEAKER_00 32:27

So, do you think that if you were to take your kids to that or you would go to that, it'd kind of bring back everything that happened because you saw Ella at Morgan, and now seeing Ella again would make you think back, oh my god, you know, we just saw Ella a couple of weeks ago, and this is what happened. I don't know, it would kind of open up the wound. Not that that wound's gonna close anytime soon. I don't think it will.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

I don't think you ever like close the wound. I mean, no, I know at the end of the day, talking about it is the only way to heal, right? I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

Do you believe, Troy? Uh, do you believe that the situation would have received the same attention without the video?

SPEAKER_01 33:02

No, absolutely not. I mean, again, I mean, you can see the look on her my niece's face when she's coming, you know what I mean, walking out. Yeah, you can't make that up. You're not making that up, right? You know, for all these people online, oh, this is this, this is that. If you had a kid and that was your kid's emotion, how would you feel? What would you think? That's true, that's true. You know what I mean? Like, that's what I don't my wife and those guys, they look at all the bad comments and the haters and stuff. I love it. I love those comments because it just shows your true colors. It shows it shows your colors, and when your friends and family and your employer see that shit, it paints a picture of yourself.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

Yeah, go on. I might have already asked you this, but going back to when this guy allegedly was urinating on your family. Uh, his his buddies, did they try to stop that? It was a wife and his 11-year-old daughter with him. Okay, wow.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 34:00

Wow. And like I said, in front of your 11-year-old daughter.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

If you could have heard the way this gentleman was talking to his 11-year-old daughter throughout the night, you would have been in disbelief.

SPEAKER_00 34:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

At one point, the couple next to me actually even said, If I was that little girl, I wouldn't want to sit next to them either. Yeah, you know what I mean? So, like I feel bad.

SPEAKER_00 34:22

And it wasn't their seats in the in the middle. They said, you know, people kind of go, Oh, there's a couple of seats over there, let's go. And you know what?

SPEAKER_01 34:28

And I'm not gonna blame them for that because I think we've all been to a venue and been like, you know, you know what? You know, Troy, you're absolutely right. I can tell you this. I've done the opposite too. When I go to like my dirt bike races down at MetLight Stadium stuff, yep, we'll get the good seats down low. I like going to the highest section you can because you got like the view. Not a better view. You want to be right up there so you can touch the artist. But like, don't get me wrong, I have changed seats too. You know what I mean? One of those phrases I heard again in TikTok was a uh cannonball run. The guy says, if you're gonna do a cannonball run and run from New York to LA, only break one law at a time. Don't be drinking, don't be doing this. So if you're gonna do something stupid, only do one stupid thing, yeah, right?

SPEAKER_00 35:13

You know, like don't draw more attention than you need, type of thing. No, totally, totally. Now, I also saw, you know, now that I've been following what's going on, and I'm just totally like kind of feel so bad for you, but I'm thoroughly disgusted that somebody would do that. Uh, but I'm reading some of the comments that were under some of your posts, and like some people were like just blowing it off.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

Some uh people some person said my eight-year-old niece deserved to be pissed on. Like, yeah, what eight-year-old child, any eight-year-old child, why would somebody get pissed on?

SPEAKER_00 35:47

You know, I well, nobody, but still, these are people that are hiding behind a lawyer. Yeah, this is my question.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

This is my question I have for that person. Do you have a brother and a sister? Do they have kids? That's a good one. Now, what does your brother and your sister think of you? Because if my brother said that, you guess what? My kid ain't going to your house. Yeah, you know what I mean. My kid ain't gonna be with you. If that's how you truly feel, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 36:16

Like, come on. What is uh, Troy? What has really helped your family get through all this? I mean, come on, it is it's something that's an emotional, it's an event that just our community.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

I mean, we're from a small little, you know, we're from Phoenix. It's small.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

Are you up there near Scruple?

SPEAKER_01 36:32

Scruple, yep. Right up in front of the one-lane bridge, still there? Uh Hymansville, yeah. Oh no, Hymmansville Bridge is still there, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

Oh, it's I just remembered a one-lane bridge in Scruppel.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

Well, no, so you're probably thinking of the Scruple Bridge. I think ten and Morgan Road. That's what I think was that's that opened up, but uh all right, straight up the road for me. There, we do still have a one-lane bridge.

SPEAKER_00 36:53

I got you, you know, and and then when I was you know hearing about all this and then realizing that uh, you know, you're a listener, and then uh you're from this area, it's like, holy crap, now this is like in our own backyard, and this we really need to help this guy out, and we need to do whatever we can do to to get to the bottom of this. And that's the other reason I wanted you to come over and at least talk, and and you can vet here on in a podcast setting where you could probably say a lot more than you would say in other places, because I mean it's anything goes, that's the way I look at it.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

But uh well, I can tell you the amount of support from the people on Facebook. I mean, I've had people message me who obviously don't even know me, they don't know my family. Well, and they're like, Hey, we're from Baltimore, we don't think this is right, this is absolutely insane. This isn't who we are as a community. If there's anything we can do, I mean, I got people sending, you know, autographed things from the Ravens, and all and this is their personal collection, they're giving up their personal collection to send stuff, you know, to try to make it right for my niece or whatever. That is awesome. I mean, these people don't know that is awesome, and they're going out of their way to help. I mean, the the amount of bad is nothing compared to the amount of good. I mean, right, we got so much positive support coming out of this. Nice, nice, and you know, for everyone's saying, Oh, you're such a little, you know, pussy. This is what you know what it's crazy. When you're in that situation, yeah, a million things are rushing through your head. And ask yourself, what do you have to lose?

SPEAKER_00 38:19

Just ask yourself, what do you have to lose? And and like it goes back to what I said earlier that I probably would not have been as controlled as you. I understand you you were ready to oh, I wanted to.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

Don't get me wrong. I got it. I mean, uh, if we could go back and watch the footage, you can see me.

SPEAKER_00 38:34

I mean, I'm begging the guy to hit my uh I'm begging them to hit me. Uh exactly. I would have, I probably would have would be the one that'd be like, you know, like we mentioned earlier. Game on, but yes, no, exactly. So uh Troy, let me ask you this as well. When people finish listening uh to this podcast or watching it and finding out uh more about you and your family and exactly what happened? Uh, what is the one thing you want them to understand?

SPEAKER_01 38:56

I mean, we're just normal people. I mean, I didn't do this to gain fame, I didn't do this, you know. You know, I I did this because it needs to be put out there, like it needs to be known what happened.

SPEAKER_00 39:09

I mean, it does.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

How many other people had an experience similar to this at that venue or a venue in general? And it's just washed under the table.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

And you know, because as you know what I do, and being at so many shows, including Morgan Wallen shows, I I've been there, I've you know, I've seen all sorts of stuff happen at concerts, but I gotta say, I don't think I've ever, ever come across what happened to you.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

I'd be like, K Rackathon. Well, and I've seen some crazy stuff there, but but this is still right there at K Rackathon, and you're talking two different types of freaking music. Exactly. Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 39:45

Uh, but uh I had never seen something like that. I've seen a lot of crazy stuff, but uh, you know, and it's just like okay, it is what it is, and uh, you know, you kind of move away from whatever that if you have to, but yeah, you know, so uh just you know, I'm so sorry that that happened to you and your family. Um, it's just is there anything else you want to say? I know we're gonna have a lot of people watching this. Uh, maybe you your phone has been ringing off the hook. I thought you mentioned CNN is reaching out now. Um, I know I I can only imagine that it's gonna hit Good Morning America and the other major networks.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

And uh, what's funny is I laughed because the day I said, you know, and I I made this post, I made a joke and I said, You're gonna see me on the news tomorrow. And I was just being sarcastic, right?

SPEAKER_00 40:30

Right.

SPEAKER_01 40:31

And then it was like 10:30 at night. 10 30, 11 o'clock at night. And I had a buddy text me, he goes, Dude, you need to Google your name. And what happened? And I'm like, What? Why? And again, I mean, I knew I put on Facebook. I I have 500 friends, you know what I mean? I don't care my shit. If we got my friends, you don't see my stuff, type of thing, right? So I'm like, what do you mean? Google my name. So I jumped on my phone, like Google my name, and I was like, holy fuck. He's like, dude, he goes, What happened? So I started explaining. He goes, that's crazy. And then within 24 hours, you thought that was crazy?

Going Viral, Support, And Final Message

SPEAKER_01 41:10

I mean, I can't open my phone, I can't open Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, I can't go to the gas station. I literally can't go to the gas station with someone out without them recognizing or pointing me out right now, you know. And again, like, well, that rocks your world in a whole different way, too.

SPEAKER_00 41:26

Now it does, it's it's making it'll make well, kind of just don't let it happen, but it could make you a different person. And just being trust, I'm gonna say, like, being yourself, dude, it's almost overwhelming.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

You can't keep up with the amount of people, you know, like reaching out and this and that, you know. And I love it, you know. Keep keep reaching out. I like to support you know, and I want to send the message out there.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

Yeah, most importantly, not only you and your wife and maybe your brother, but the girls, and you know, that's that's what I got real pissed off at.

SPEAKER_01 41:56

Yeah, it was like, you know what? I got doing my knees right there. I'm like it's game on. And what's funny is like there's people like, oh, your brother's why is your brother advocating for all this? I'm the one that posted the video, I'm the one that did it. I mean, trust me, he's just as pissed off at the world right now, not the world, he's just as pissed off at the situation as me. I'm just the one that put it to that platform, so now I'm the one getting the notify, you know, recognizing for it.

SPEAKER_00 42:22

You know, in the end, your family deserved better, uh, from the person responsible, of course. And you deserved to feel that your concerns were being taken seriously when when you asked for help and you didn't feel that way. It was like you were kind of kind of felt like you were getting like, okay, let's okay, we'll worry about this later, whatever, let's move on.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

Gentleman, I want to say he was with Apex Security. I would have to go back and get his name off of the video. Um, it was a black gentleman without that gentleman telling me to keep going, keep going, keep causing a scene. Don't stop, keep keep doing what you're doing. He goes, You stop, they walk away. I see it every time they're in the stadium. You stop, they walk away, they don't care. They're just gonna move on to the next situation. He goes, Don't stop, keep recording, keep going. And that gentleman was right. I mean, if it wasn't that was the only person in the whole stadium that gave any kind of assistance, and he's like, Don't stop, don't stop, don't stop.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

And it's not about you don't disrespect the officers, you don't, you know, they we need them and we love them for those that do their job and everything. I mean, that's the problem, they're handcuffed. All right, they're the I I give them the utmost respect, and it's just you are gonna get some every once in a while, but you know, and and and I apologize to everyone of those officers, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

I'm not I'm not trying to blast them, you know what I mean? They can only do what they're allowed to do, but at that same time, did you do everything you could do? Or you just didn't want to do it anymore. You know, can you go home at night, look yourself in the mirror? You know, if you were one of those cops that was in that situation, you know, do you go home at night, look in the mirror now and say, Wow, I did everything I could to help that gentleman out. You you they're the only ones that are gonna know that, they're the ones that have to sleep with that, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 44:12

So again, I mean Troy, I um I appreciate you taking the time to come over and let's get the word out, whatever we can do to help as well, because there's a lot, there's there's a lot of answers that a lot of questions that need to be answered still. Tons of questions, you know, and and just listening to you here, and still I can feel some of that frustration. And I I totally get it. Oh, it's it's there. It's I mean, you know, it ain't gonna go away. I mean, I'm glad you agreed to do this, and uh, hopefully anybody that's watching this and uh you know you can understand what's going on here and the things we need to look out for, uh, especially Troy and his family. You know, the story's not about creating more outrage for social media, that's not it at all. No, uh, it's about dignity, it's about protecting children and families in public uh places, it's about accountability. When someone crosses a line, it should never be crossed. And uh, of course, we hope you, Troy, and your family receive the answers and res resolutions that you're seeking. And uh maybe a little bit down the road, I know you've got some things going, and you know, rather not talk about those right now. But uh, you know, I just want to say thank you. Thank you for coming over, thank you for hanging in the podcast. No, for having me.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

I I mean I appreciate it. Like my goal is to uh spread the message and get the word out there and get justice for my niece and exactly ourselves in general.

SPEAKER_00 45:24

And that's uh that's what we're doing. And and the skip happens podcast, as you can see, like tonight, and it happens every so often. It's not just about music, it's about people, it's about community, and it's about the stories that need to be heard. This is one of those stories that needs to be heard and needs to be understood that something happened here and it cannot go unnoticed. Not at all, not at all. It's about people, community, and the stories that need to be heard. Every boot tells the story. We'll see you next time. Troy, thank you again. I'm Skip Clark. Skip happens right here in the Skip Happens studio. My mouse, even though we're still live, frozen. No, it just it did this last night, too. Like I have too many screens here. And there we go. So good night, everybody. See ya. Now you heard my mouse story. All right.