Episode 210: Single, Not Stuck with Janna Johns

In this episode, Hannah Augustine sits down with Janna Johns for an honest and hope-filled conversation about singleness in church and ministry leadership. Together, they challenge common cultural stereotypes, unpack personal journeys, and offer practical encouragement for thriving — not just surviving — in seasons of singleness.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Redefining Singleness in Ministry
• 2:33 Janna's Journey: From Missionary to Ministry Leader
• 6:16 The Importance of Community for Singles
• 8:48 Living Fully in the Present
• 11:26 Navigating Relationships: Singles and Marrieds
• 14:51 Trusting God in the Waiting
• 17:51 The Unique Beauty of Singleness
• 19:20 The Blessings and Challenges of Singleness
• 21:43 Navigating Loneliness and Comparison
• 23:41 Finding Beauty in Every Season
• 27:20 Overcoming the Good Enough Principle in Ministry

Transcript

Hannah Augustine (00:00)

Being single doesn't mean that something is wrong with you. It doesn't mean you're unlovable, and it certainly doesn't disqualify you from ministry. I think for a lot of us, it's so easy to assume that singleness is a negative part of life, and many of us fall prey to viewing it that way. It's time to adjust how we view singleness, especially in ministry, and even just in the church in general. We've got to learn how to support and champion the people in our lives in each and every season, knowing that God's plan is far greater than we could ever imagine.

I'm Hannah Augustine, and I've got a special guest with me today, Janna Johns, who is the director of groups and classes at her church, which is just a sneak peek of her story. I'm going to have her share a little bit more. But we're also going to dive into what I would say is a pretty culturally hot topic in the church: singleness in ministry. This is gonna be a fun one - hopefully, it's gonna be encouraging.

Whether you're single or married, it's gonna give you verbiage and language about how to move forward in supporting the people around you. 

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This is a really cool opportunity to bring Easter to life for your families in your church - it is gonna be great. Be sure to check it out, but Janna, we were chatting before we started recording. It's so great to see you, and I know you well enough that I'm confident you're going to have some great things to say on this topic. 

You've walked this out through many high-impact ministry roles, we've walked this out relationally, [and] we've had quite a few conversations about this just as friends. I'm excited to chat with you live and hear some of your thoughts. Let's get started with your role in ministry currently, as well as how you got to where you are and what led you to where you are today.

Janna Johns (02:36)

First of all, Hannah, I'm super excited because like you said, we've walked through this together. It’s so awesome to see the season that you're in and see you flourishing as a wife and in this ministry. This call just warms my heart.

A little bit about me.I have been in ministry here in South Florida at my church here for almost eight years now. Actually, it's over eight years now.

Hannah Augustine (03:11)

I'm so glad.

It is, because we started, I think, the same day.

Janna Johns (03:21)

Yes in January, so [it’s] been eight years. Like you said, I get to look after groups and classes and discipleship, and bringing people into community, which just is a passion of mine. One of the reasons why it's a passion of mine is because of the life I lived before I came down to South Florida.

So I am single. I've never been married. I don't have any kids. And I was actually a missionary for over 20 years. I spent about three years in Papua New Guinea and eight years in Thailand. What got me so passionate [about community] is that not only was I an anomaly, being overseas in a different culture, obviously with light skin, Western skin, and Western culture, but I was a single lady, Christian missionary overseas. 

Because of that, I have such a huge passion that every single person, no matter what stage of life they're in - whether single, married, divorced, whatever they're in - that they find a place that they can belong and that they can be growing in God's Word. So for me, being that missionary and kind of always in my mind, I don't think it was true for everyone else, but in my mind feeling like I was the person that stuck out. Now, being here and in the church, it's just a heart and a passion to help people find their community and to be able to grow as well.

Hannah Augustine (05:05)

So good, and we could spend the entire episode just talking about your adventures. I think, my word, just so many amazing things. I think so often we can pigeonhole people based off of their season of life, right? You know, “you're married, you should lead the married group;” “you're single, you should lead the single group.” You clearly have demonstrated that we can break out of those pigeonholes. . . . I was a children's minister for about 10 years and didn't have kids. 

I think the balance is that we want to be aware of what we don't know, right? I'm not a parent. I can't speak to what it's like to be up in the middle of the night with my two-year-olds. But the Lord has called me and gifted me to be in this place and in this position and he's going to fill the gaps. But I know as a single person in ministry in the States, that's hard. So I cannot imagine, like you said, being in a totally different cultural environment, already standing out, and then kind of standing out even among your missionary peers, right? That feels different. 

What would you say is one of the things, or a couple of things, that sustained you over the years as you've ministered from a place of singleness?

Janna Johns (06:16)

The biggest thing is community. So much as singles, we want to isolate ourselves because we don't think that we belong or we don't think that we have something to offer. And most of these are honestly lies that we truly create ourselves. And when we're in isolation is when those lies really come to the forefront. So whether it's I'm sitting here and these lies come in, or I'm watching Hallmark movies, and that's easily where the lies creep in. I think one of the biggest things that has sustained me whether being on the mission field, whether being in the church, whether being in community, or out in community, or in an everyday marketplace job, is finding that community. 

That community can be other singles, it can be married people with kids. It's gonna change. My life as a single at 52 is definitely not the same as my life at single being 30. That was really a hard season; my friends were all starting to have kids, and I was feeling left out. Now I'm like “bring your grandkids, I'd love to watch them!” or “let me be Auntie JJ!”

Regardless of what season, you've got to make sure that you don't isolate yourself and that you put yourself in community. Honestly, one of the things is just discipline, to be truthful. Don't stop life or ministry because you're having a pity party. The trash still has to be taken out, and there's nobody else to do it. I mean, you know this, we've talked about these things.

Work still has to be done, whether I'm single or I'm married. And if I isolate again and become this recluse, now I'm depressed because I'm alone, and then I'm really depressed because I got nothing done. Like the laundry stuff [is still] sitting there, and the trash still needs to be taken out.

[What I need as] I walked through any stage of my life is that I have the right community and then I have the right discipline and intentionality

Hannah Augustine (08:32)

Something that I did, I believe I was 26, and I was waiting to get married to go on vacation. And I know that may sound silly, right? But we think, oh, I'll travel when I get married, like, we'll go places together. And I hadn't done a lot of travel other than to see family, you know, up until that point.

Janna Johns (08:40)

It's so true.

Yes.

Hannah Augustine (08:48)

And so I was sitting in the airport, coming back from a trip to see family. I said, I'm going on a trip. I pulled up on my phone. said, where do I want to go? I had no idea where I was going to go. And I saw Salt Lake City, and I knew I wanted to ski. I knew I wanted to explore. So I said, I'm going. I booked the trip. I found a tiny house. I got a rental car. I skied by myself on a massive mountain - ski patrol only had to help me one time. 

But I felt so empowered after that trip and I was so grateful. Now, that was the only solo trip I ever took. I took trips with friends and trips with family after that, but it was like it opened a new door that I had been keeping shut because I was waiting for the next season.

 I think we can't live that way. Like you said, we can't wait to do the job. We can't wait to do the laundry. We can't wait to move to the new place, or go on the trip, or spend the money, whatever it is. I'm not saying, you know, live crazy, but don't wait and hold off for this thing that may or may not be coming, right? Whether that's kids or marriage or a new job or whatever it is, we want to live and make the most of the life that God's giving us in the moment.

Janna Johns (09:48)

Yes.

Yep,

100%.

Hannah Augustine (10:00)

And a moment for the marrieds: don't get weird when you get married, okay? Your single friends still want to be your friend. So include them, right? And I get it, everybody goes through that new newly married phase where you are a little weird and that's fine. But be intentional to not leave behind the relationships that you had when you were single. And obviously incorporate that into your marriage, right? Make that a group thing, but it's okay. I think there's beauty to [maintaining friendships]. You still need girlfriends. If you're a guy, you need guy friends. So don't give up on those female friendships or male friendships just because you're getting married. That's a sidebar if you're married.

Janna Johns (10:28)

Yes. I would say the same thing for singles. I think sometimes they think that their married friends got married, and that they don't need them anymore, that they don't want to hang out with us. Again, the lies that Satan wants to use to tell us! Because in reality, you're probably thinking, man, I miss my girl time, but none of my girlfriends want to hang out. Even as a single person, don't be afraid to invite your married friends on the outings that you're going on. 

We're all better together. We need to continue to be intentional in the community that's around us.

Hannah Augustine (11:09)

So true, because friends are friends, whatever stage of life they're in.

How do we balance, Janna, and you and I again walked through this a lot together, but looking for the “right person”, while also keeping our eyes fixed on the season God has us in, and on God and what he's doing in our lives?

Janna Johns (11:26)

I think we need to flip that conversation around. I think the first thing we need to be doing is actually looking to God and the season that we have. Oftentimes, we're looking for the mate and we're wanting to stop our lives until we think that has happened. 

But really, flipping it around and saying, “okay, God, I'm going to keep walking in you. I'm going to walk in what you have for me. Holy Spirit, you're going to reveal to me what that looks like.”

For some, it's going on dating apps. For some, it's just going to church because maybe they've never been to church. For some, they may feel like Holy Spirit is saying [a mate] just going to drop in my lap in some weird way. Praise God that that happens - it's just never happened to me. 

But I think that we're so focused on finding the mate, and how does that effect my relationship with God, when I need to be focused on my relationship with God and that's going to drive the direction of what the Holy Spirit is telling me to do in the realm of a mate. 

Now I want to be careful because one of the things that married people often say to me, and we talked about this, is, “when I finally gave it all over to God, I found my mate.”

Hannah Augustine (12:45)

[This] kills me.

Janna Johns (12:45)

Right, so you know that statement. Often, because I am the anomaly, and I did live in the jungles of Papua New Guinea. And I'm like, I lived in a hut in the middle of Papua New Guinea. If there is more to give to God, please let me know what that is, because I'm pretty sure I got it covered, you know. So I want to be careful in saying the statement that I said, in that we don't think that just following God is going to be the magic pill to find my mate. 

But when you're in the process of finding your mate, if you're following God first, it's going to make it so much sweeter. It's going to give you a rest and a peace. When you have it flipped, when you're just trying to figure out “how do I find my mate?” and “how does that work with my relationship with God?” Then [you’re] anxious and worried that [you’re] at the wrong place. “Should I have been on the apps and I didn't go on the apps?” But when you're really just seeking after the Lord and going down the path and being in tune with Holy Spirit, then you can enjoy life.

Then also when your mate comes, you can say, “Man, I'm so grateful for the season that I had walking with the Lord, and I'm really grateful for the season that I continue to have walking with the Lord.” Because once you're married, you're not going to be thinking, “how does my husband relate to my walk with the Lord?” It should still be the same. How does my walk with the Lord allow me to be the patient wife? Allow me to pursue his needs over my needs? 

… but I also have walked through massive tearful seasons of, like you said, someone I maybe found on the internet, and “I waited this long, so this person has to be it,” and then five months later, my heart is broken. I often say, I don't know which is worse, finding someone that's not interested in me, or [when] there are just no options at all. Like who do I get up and put makeup on for or do my hair for? 

But all those moments, as hard as they are, they're just so much sweeter when you have a relationship with the Lord and you can trust Him: in the midst of the unknown, in the midst of the tears, and in the midst of the turmoil that's happening.

It's not an easy lesson, because especially in our society, in the Christian church, people find their mates in high school [or ] at 18. You could be 25, and people at church think it's weird that you're not married. It’s interesting, because in the workplace, they say, “25? Who gets married at 25? That's so young!”

When it's hyper focused in the church world, it makes it harder on one's soul for sure. But at the same time, we also have Holy Spirit, and we do have people that are pushing us towards the Lord. People who aren't part of the church or part of community, they don't have that. They're just focusing on finding a relationship, which means they're unhappy, and they're probably not going to pick really the best choice.

Hannah Augustine (16:04)

You touched on something that I think we underestimate. There is a beauty and a richness to our relationship with the Lord when it's just us. I've had people that always said that to me. Now, coming on the other side . . . . Our one year anniversary is this coming Sunday. I have had to navigate, what does [my relationship with God] look like [now], because my relationship with the Lord was just me for so long.

Now, know kind of bringing someone else into that . . . and not that it's not still me and Jesus. But there is a difference of, I don't just wake up in the morning and have my whole morning to myself. Would I trade it? No, but I think being aware, like you said, of the different seasons and appreciating . . .

In my undergrad, they said something that has always stuck with me. He said, “If you want to serve Jesus, be single. If you want to be like Jesus, get married,” because they said, you are going to be refined in marriage in a unique way because there's someone so close to you. Now, I'm not saying you don't serve Jesus when you're married. I'm not saying you don't get refined as a single. But it gave me a huge perspective of, there are...

Janna Johns (16:58)

So good.

Hannah Augustine (17:08)

… blessings to singleness, and there are things that you can't do in the same way. It's not that you can't do them, but it is going to look different. 

So what you said, keeping my eyes on Jesus, and knowing every person's dating journey is going to be so different. I cannot tell you how many people said to me exactly what you said: “As soon as you let it go, they're going to come.” And you know, that's not how it worked for me. Don't get me wrong. I surrendered many times to the Lord, and [my spouse] came in a unique way. I really thought I would come to a megachurch in South Florida and meet someone, and I did not. I met my husband online, and that's a whole different conversation. If you want to talk dating apps, Janna and I would be happy to connect offline.

Janna Johns (17:50)

Absolutely. We have all the stories.

Hannah Augustine (17:53)

We have all the stories! But recognizing, however the Lord wants to do that, and working with him and asking him, “Holy Spirit, what would you want me to do in this season? Do I need to put myself out there? Do I need to be you and me, like me and Jesus for a season?” Knowing he's going to guide you in that. Don't compare and say, “that person met their person at a small group, so I need to go do that.” No . . .  put yourself in the right situations, right? Be in the right places.

I think as married people, let's be cautious how we interact with the single friends in our lives. It's not like we flip a switch and forget what it's like to be single. Hold on to that and be prepared to show compassion and comfort and support, not trying to prescribe a solution of “if you just did this, they would come.”

Janna Johns (18:43)

Exactly. Yes. Yes.

I've done it all. Trust me. Trust me.

Hannah Augustine (18:53)

And that even comes back to what I said at the intro, right? It does not mean something's wrong with you. I think we can . . . many times, I cried and prayed and said, “Lord, what's wrong? Am I doing something wrong? Am I flawed?” But like you said, not giving into the lies of Hallmark or culture or music or whatever is feeding you. Instead, saying, “I'm gonna focus on my value in the Lord.” And obviously scripture points out the values of both marriage and singleness, right?

[There is not] a one size fits all of you have to get married to be a good Christian.

What are some of the tips for overcoming the challenges of singleness? Here are a couple of examples: loneliness, resentment, comparison, others' opinions.

How do we surmount that as we're walking through those things?

Janna Johns (19:40)

It's just the relationship with Holy Spirit. Because you need guidance, you need direction, all the things that you just said, I think it happens with being single or being married.

All of those things, I think sometimes they feel a little more personified as a single because you don't have anyone to bounce that off from. While those things are the same as a single person, they're just sometimes more difficult because you don't have that person to champion you. 

It is going back and protecting your mind, protecting your thoughts, being in the Word, having the Holy Spirit, doing fun things. Find someone, that accountability person that you can reach out to when you're starting to go down that path of just thinking, “I'm not enough.” That's a big one for me, is really thinking, “I just must not be enough”: not likeable enough, or not worthy enough.

I put things on my mirrors, declarations and scriptures that go with that. Again, while it feels like the patent answer, it is really truly the only answer, because no matter what stage or season you're in, if you let your mind believe the lies or if you let your mind go down those paths, if you are focusing on all of those other influences, it's going to get dark pretty quick.

Being self-aware that these lies can come in, and then already having a plan of what you need to do. What am I gonna do when I start going down that pathway, or I start feeling the loneliness, or start comparing myself to other people. If you're not aware that those things can enter in, and it's sin, then you aren't going to be prepared to combat those for what they really are.

I've also had my moments where I'm like, “just let me have my pity party. Just let me have it. I just need to have it. And then I can move on and go through.” That means I'm also giving myself permission to sin, because then when I do that, then I start doing the pity parting of the comparison and the pity party of I'm not enough or all those things that are not spoken in God's word.

Hannah Augustine (22:09)

Wow, that's so insightful and a good reminder, right, to call it what it is when we're in that place of comparison. Again, comparison doesn't stop when you get married. All of those things don't go away. The negative thinking patterns, those don’t go away.

When I moved from Georgia to Florida, I had flown to the church for an interview. I was flying back and I was looking out the plane at Georgia, and I was kind of internally thinking, “could I leave? This place is so beautiful.” I lived really close to a very small mountain, but I could hike, and the lakes, and it was just totally different than South Florida.

Hannah Augustine (22:47)

I felt like the Lord just whispered to my spirit and he said, “Hannah, don't you think I love Florida too?” And I think that is something that I've tried so hard [to hold on to].

My first apartment in Florida was ratchet. If you ever went, you would think, “why did you love that apartment?” But it was my first apartment. I would sit out on the porch and look outside. Again, I'm looking at a parking lot, but I enjoyed that space. When I came to my new apartment, it was kind of hard to leave. But the new apartment was leaps and bounds from the first apartment.

I think we can sometimes think, man, well, “that's going to be better”, or “this is better” . . . I think when we can learn to see that way, that is going to be a skill that whatever happens in life - wherever you go, whether you get married or not, whether you have kids or not, whether you get the job or not - when we can learn to celebrate and treasure where God has us. [We] recognize that the beauty of every season is that God is there. and that he loves us in that. 

You’re talking about the pity party, [I think of] Elijah. You know, I love that story of Elijah in the cave. And he was worn out, and he said, God, can I just die? And the Lord makes room for that. And he brought him food and he took a nap. 

Then he did it again. I think it happened at least two times, may have been a third time. And then God finally said, okay, we're gonna move on from here. But that's where you need your community. And there have been people in my life who, when I was going through dark seasons, she would say, “text me instead of texting that person, text me; you filter through me.” 

And that was so freeing. So if you're listening to this episode, and you're doing great, be that person for somewhere else. If you're married or single, how are you supporting the people in your life and saying, “I'll be here for you? You can call, you can text, you can reach out so that you don't go down the spiral of whatever that is, whatever season you're in.”

Janna Johns (24:23)

Right. Yes.

Also realizing that no matter the season that you're currently in is a preparation for that next season. So like your first apartment - I think you appreciated your second one 50 times more because of the first one, right? And I think you appreciate your husband a thousand times more because of the preparation time, or some of the ones that maybe weren't the greatest with that. 

And the same is in a job - hey, I'm learning skills that when I get to the next one, I'm going to be able to use it and enjoy it at the same time. [It’s] realizing that none of these seasons are . . . I even hate when they say they're waiting seasons, because they're not waiting seasons. They're not in between seasons. They're preparation seasons. And when we're preparing, that means something is happening.

I want to make sure that people don't think that it is that we're just . . . . in my waiting season before something happens. Everything is just in our preparation season. And it doesn't mean that my preparation season right now is a guarantee that I'm going to get married. Now, I'd love that. But my preparation season right now is preparing me for what it's going to look like in ten years and the conversations I can have. 

And exactly like you're saying, for people that are listening to this that are further along, being that for someone else, your preparation might be only solely for someone else. And that's okay, because that's the growth that God has brought you through, and the seasons he has brought you through, to allow you to even see the blessing of being able to encourage someone else and to help them better walking through the current season. 

So rather than “my waiting season is for someone else” - that doesn't sound great - but “my preparation season is for someone else.” It could be another single person, it could be for my mate, it could be just for me, but it's a preparation time.

Hannah Augustine (26:50)

So good. Nothing is wasted. You know, there's never anything that the Lord discards and says, “well that wasn't meaningful.” I think that perspective is so important. I want to attest to you: I know you helped me navigate singleness, you helped me navigate different relationships, and all that comes with that. I know that you've done that for so many others, so thank you.

But as we wrap, I want to touch on one more thing. I think we all have wrestled in seasons of singleness with the “good enough” principle. I think whether you're male or female, if you're serving in the church in a leadership capacity, which most of our listeners are leading kids ministries, there can definitely feel the sense of not enough, especially when you're in a kids ministry role, right? And you're serving kids and families. It can feel like, “I'm inadequate” or “I don't have experience.”

How do we navigate maybe the assumptions of people and the stigma around the idea that most people in ministry are married, therefore am I not qualified? 

Janna Johns (27:42)

I think that is a good question. think in missions, it looked a lot different than it looks here at the church. In missions, it was more of people thought, “it's the single lady. Let's go see how we can help her and encourage her.”

I lived in Thailand, and one of the cultures they had was if you eat alone, the food is not good. And so every single night, to the point I thought, “I just want to eat alone a night!” - like 21 days in a row, [I was invited].

Then coming to the church, it was actually almost the opposite. Being part of South Florida is a little bit different as well. People don't always invite people into homes, or they there's just kind of this assumption that “they wouldn't want to come hang out with us because we're married and because we have families.” So you have that aspect, but then you also have the ministry aspect. Like you were saying, parents are thinking, “how are they giving me advice on my kids when A, they don't have kids, and B, they're not married? They don't even know the dynamic of a husband and wife.”

Really, the truth of God's word is truth. It doesn't matter what the season is. It doesn't matter. 

We were having a freedom course, and I was helping around a table, and they told me they needed me as a table leader. I sat down, and it was four married couples for this freedom class. I thought, “somebody made a mistake, right?”

And what I realized is that the truth of God's word is truth, so I can share how the truth of God's Word is in my life, and I can encourage you in those same [ways].

Be confident in the experiences that God has brought you through, but be confident in God's Word and that you can go back to His Word. Say yes when you don't think you should say yes. I'm not saying when the Holy Spirit is telling you no. But I could have left that table of those four people and said, “someone else that's married needs to be in here.” But that was done in 2019, and I just got an email from a couple that said, “I remember that time - I'm letting you know what's going on in my life - this is how our marriage has changed since that class…” And it was just because I was willing to say yes and to sit at that table.

Last week we were in revival nights, and a pastor came to me and asked, “is there anything on your mind?” And I said, “what's on my mind is the people that are sitting alone in the back, because they don't want to sit up front or they don't feel that they're worthy enough.” And he said, “I want you to go on the platform. and I want you to lead this prayer time for the people that are lonely.” And I thought, first of all, I've never been on a platform here, like on a weekend or revival nights, but I agreed.

I came off [the platform] and I said to the pastors, “this is a platform I didn't ask for, but God has me in this season to encourage those that are walking in the middle of it.” And I had a number of people afterwards that said, “when you were sharing the words of “you may feel lonely, but you're not alone” - those were the words that I needed to hear.”

Sometimes we take ourselves out of it before other people take us out of it. This pastor gave me all the authority to be on a platform I'd never been on because of being single, not despite being single.

Don't take yourself out of situations because you think you have nothing to offer or nothing to say or nothing to bring to the table. Because while again, you might not have asked for this season in the moment, you are helping those that are walking through this season.

Don't let anybody else take you out, and don't let yourself take you out from these different opportunities.

Hannah Augustine (32:16)

Wow, what you said about how God's word is always true is so powerful. Like you said, don't take yourself out of the game, because the Lord has put you where he's put you and he's going to give you positions of influence. He's going to give you opportunities to serve and share. And being a Christian is being a Christian, [whether you’re] single, married, young, old - following the Lord is following the Lord. And it's so easy for us to say, “I'm young, I'm too young to speak to someone who's further along.” “I'm single. I can't speak to somebody who's married.” “I'm married. can't speak to someone who's single.”

We put all these limitations and we say no - know The Lord is going to put me in the rooms I need to be put in. Something said to me years ago was, {you have nothing to prove and everything to offer.” And I have clung to that, because I think we walk into every room and we have this sense of “I need to prove something.” Recognizing [instead] when we're walking with the Holy Spirit, that's not the reality. And we're walking in his authority,  knowing that he's going to give us what we need to say what needs to be said. 

Is it going to be perfect every time? No. Are we going to step on toes or say the wrong thing? Absolutely. But when we're coming with a heart that is loving and a heart that wants to support and care and pastor or shepherd or lead, that's not gonna fall away. The Holy Spirit can fill the gap and the Holy Spirit can give you discernment that's gonna help. Ask the Holy Spirit to give you divine discernment and awareness. And I believe he will.

This has been, hopefully, encouraging. And again, if you want to, if you're listening and you want to continue this conversation, there are great resources. I know I have read books and listen to podcasts. Janna has, and we would be happy to give you some thoughts about how you can keep maximizing the season of singleness and walking through with strength and with joy. So feel free to email me at hannah@kidzmatter.com.

But as we wrap up, as a reminder, you can check out everything from David C. Cook. The link will be in the show notes for their amazing Easter experience. And I would love, Janna, if you would just close us in prayer.

Janna Johns (34:16)

Absolutely. Father God, I just thank you. I thank you for the seasons that you provide in our lives, God, I thank you that you are always with us in every season,

God, you are always, always with us. And so God, I thank you for that. In Jesus name, I pray, amen. Thank you.

Hannah Augustine (34:33)

Amen. Thank you, Janna. And thanks all of you for tuning in. We'll see you next time.