Episode 218: A Masterpiece-Minded Kids' Ministry

Unlock the secret to transforming children's lives by building a vibrant identity rooted in Christ—it's easier than you think! In this episode, Hannah Augustine teams up with Brian Dollar, a seasoned Kids' Pastor and founder of High Voltage Kids Ministry Resources, to reveal the three powerful messages every child must hear to resist the endless tide of culture’s negative messages. 

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Transcript

Hannah Augustine (00:00)

However old you may be today, I imagine you can remember something that was said to you from childhood that hurt you deeply. It's very possible that those words have shaped you, no matter how hard you've tried to shake them off. As KidMin Leaders, we have the opportunity to help kids see their identity in Christ. And that's what we're talking about in today's episode.

My name is Hannah Augustine, and I'll be your host for today's conversation with Brian Dollar, Kids' Pastor and Founder of High Voltage Kids. Brian brings so much to the table, and I'm really looking forward to this conversation about kids and their identity.

But before we dive in, if you want to be ready for this summer and everything that comes with that, you're not going to want to miss our KidzMatter Summer Ready micro-course. This course. brought to you by KidMin Academy, is totally free. Ryan Frank and I will lead you through three modules about stabilizing your volunteers, simplifying your programming and saving your energy. You can visit kidzmatter.com/summer-ready to sign up and share the link with a friend, because accountability is going to help make sure you actually apply everything you learn in that course.

Now, Brian, you are no stranger to KidzMatter. I've loved partnering with you for KidMin Academy, KidzMatter PRO, and now here on the podcast. I cannot tell you how often I reference your book, "I Blew It." So many times, because it's funny, it's practical, it's got some great KidMin wisdom. But I would love just, if you want to tell us a little bit about who you are and how you got to where you are today.

Brian Dollar (01:45)

Well, thank you very much, Hannah. I am excited to be a part of this KidzMatter podcast. I've been a friend of KidzMatter, partnering with you guys for 20 plus years now, I think. And Ryan and I go way, way back. He has 10 times the amount on his plate as he had the day I met him, and just continues to be as effective and impactful as ever. I’m thankful for Ryan and Beth. 

I am on staff at a church in North Little Rock, Arkansas. I’ve been on this staff for 26 years, and I’ve been in kids ministry and family ministry for almost 35 years now. I am the founder of High Voltage Kids Ministry Resources, and am an author, speaker, all that stuff. I just love pouring into the lives of children's and family ministry peeps. It is my honor to be able to do that today. So thanks for having me.

Hannah Augustine (02:42)

Absolutely, and with all that experience, I'm sure you've seen a lot of different trends over the years. I'd love to hear what you see in kids today that makes this conversation about identity so important.

Brian Dollar (02:55)

I'm so glad we're talking about this today, because the kids that are in our ministries and in our churches are being raised in a message-saturated culture, from the moment they wake up, to the moment they go to bed, and everything in between. There's so much information coming at them. They're being bombarded with hundreds and thousands of messages through the screens that are in front of their faces, through their friends, teachers, certainly music they're listening to, YouTube influencers, advertising, you name it.

I think culture is constantly whispering, and sometimes even shouting, several messages that they receive, and those messages aren't always positive. Matter of fact, a lot of times they're negative. They're hearing, "you're not enough," because they're comparing themselves to what they're seeing in videos and around themselves at school. They're hearing, "you need to look different in order to fit in. You need to be cooler. You need more followers. You need to be better than everybody else." I think in many ways, today's kids are swimming in a sea of comparison and criticism.

As kids' pastors and kids' ministry leaders, we have to recognize that and see our role as helping children answer those foundational and fundamental questions of, "who am I really?" And even more importantly, "whose am I?" “Who do I belong to?” And then, "why am I here?" That level of purpose. I think if we're not addressing those questions and doing so biblically, somebody else is going to answer those questions for us, and those kids are going to hear a completely anti-biblical perspective. 

Kids' ministry leaders must recognize: they're not called to just teach Bible stories. We are called to shape identity in the lives of the kids that we are serving.

Hannah Augustine (04:54)

Absolutely. I think if we all think back to when we were kids, you probably either have an adult that helped shape your identity, or you have people that shaped it maybe in a negative way. Those things stay with you for many, many years and may take counseling, and a lot of growth, and maybe the self-help books and all those things, journaling, to get through.

I know when I look at a kid, I feel like the Lord has the opportunity to give us compassion to see where they are right now, what the world is speaking over them, and how what's happening in their life right now will impact them in 20 or 30 years. You mentioned, Brian, that kids are swimming in a sea of comparison and criticism. What are some of the messages that are shaping how kids see themselves right now?

Brian Dollar (05:26)

There are quite a few. I think kids are asking the question, "do I matter and am I enough?" And they're asking those because of the negative messages that they're receiving. Like you said, one careless label from a kids' ministry leader, from a teacher, even from a parent - that careless word, that label that we assign to a child, can stick with them for decades.

I'll never forget: early on in my ministry, I had a parent bring their kid to me after church, and they said something like, "well, I sure need you to help me figure out how to get through to Junior," or whatever the kid's name was. I can't remember. It's been so many years.

I do remember the phrase that they used with the child standing right next to them. They said, "I need you to cast the demon out of my kid." They said it with a little tongue-in-cheek, but that kid looked up, and you could see the shock and the hurt that suddenly hit them. And that parent didn't walk that statement back. They were basically saying, “their bad behavior means the devil's inside of them.” Now, that kid has to wrestle with that label that's been put on him.

See, the reality is, I think that kids are receiving a lot of those negative messages that I've mentioned already. If the church doesn't speak loudly and clearly to these kids about their identity in Christ, then culture is going to end up defining it for them. They're going to define their identity, and they're going to shape them. That's why I just wrote an article, actually, for KidzMatter Magazine about this. There are three messages that I think every kid in our ministry needs to hear over and over again, and we've got to proclaim those very loudly and confidently.

Hannah Augustine (07:28)

I'd love to dive into that first one, because I cannot imagine that scenario you described. That is so heartbreaking for that child. And yet we do see that, maybe not to that extreme, every week. Even when a volunteer comes up to you, and maybe in front of the child, says, "I'm having trouble, so-and-so is causing all these issues."

I think we maybe have good intentions, but we're trying to maybe help kids live a certain way, versus helping them have that shaped identity that may help affect their behavior down the road. If we can help them understand who they are, that may change behavior versus trying to shake it out of them, or, I guess, cast it out of them, in that case.

What's that first message kids need to hear right now?

Brian Dollar (08:05)

The first message that we have to consistently and loudly speak to kids is that God designed you. He took his time, and he designed you. You aren't the result of some cosmic accident. God took his time, and he designed you. And the core anchor scripture that kind of shapes that as we disciple children is Psalm 139:13-15 (NLT). It says, “You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb. Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex! Your workmanship is marvelous—how well I know it. You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion, as I was woven together in the dark of the womb.”

You walk through those verses, and that's a very clear picture of God taking his time to form us in our mother's womb. While we may not have thought, "why'd make my nose like this, God? Why are my ears this big? Why are my eyes closer together?" He had purpose in everything that He did, forming us and shaping us. I think a lot of kids believe that they're just a mistake, or that certain things about them were mistakes, but God intentionally designed not only their looks, but their personality, their gifts, and their wiring.

When I was growing up, there was a phrase - I think it was on a t-shirt - but it was, "God don't make no junk," or something like that; that's a great message. I want every kid to know God doesn't make junk. He absolutely took his time on you. You were created on purpose, for a purpose. 

That's that first message that they need to hear. There's a second message that kids need to hear regularly, as well.

The first is that God designed you. But on top of that, the second message is that you are God's masterpiece. Not his rough draft, not the "just to see if this will work." You are God's masterpiece. And that is anchored in Ephesians 2:10, that clearly says in the New Living Translation, "for we are God's masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago."

I think kids need to hear that over and over again. Yes, God designed you, but you're not an accident. He didn't mess up when he was making you. You are his masterpiece. You're his handiwork. He was intentional with you. Kids need to hear this message from somebody other than their parents. Everybody's mom says, "you're the best, you're the sweetest, and you're the greatest."

They need to hear it from adults that aren't their parents, and that's where we come in a lot of times. Our ministries should be places where kids are valued for who they are, and not just what they can do. Because we're really good about acknowledging kids' gifts and, "man, you're so good at fill-in-the-blank." But it's not about what they can do. It's who they are. Their value is intrinsic in who God has made them, and they are His masterpiece.

Hannah Augustine (11:31)

Our pastor shared a story this past weekend as an illustration. He talked about a teacher who had been teaching for years, and shared one assignment she had her kids do. They wrote down every child's name in the class and then wrote one word of something good about that child next to their name. Then she took all the different papers and compiled them, so that Brian got a list of the 30 things that his classmates thought about him.

Years later, she was talking to some of her students, and they all were able to say, "my list is in a scrapbook, my list is in this box, my list is in my drawer." And I thought, if we could be just that intentional, right? This is where I think church size comes in; the smaller your church is, that can be a beautiful blessing, because you're able to truly invest in those kids in unique ways. But if you're at a larger church, how are you training your volunteers to have that language, and to help them understand exactly what you just said, that we have to invest (in kids).

Brian Dollar (12:12)

And think about this, Hannah.

Think about this - they all had it in a scrapbook. Why? Because it's so rare that you're receiving those positive messages like that from so many people. And so that was very obviously very shaping for them. It helped to mold how they see themselves, and it meant so much that they kept it all these years. That's what we need to recognize: those words of affirmation, those positive messages that we're giving to kids, they're the antithesis of what they're hearing on a daily basis.

If we're super intentional with that, and we really make those messages stick with kids, then when they hear, "I am God's masterpiece," that is something that truly molds, shapes them, and they're going to hold on to that for years and years to come.

I know I shared the first two: God designed you, and you are God's masterpiece. But the third message is, I think, even more important. And that is, "God paid a high price for you." That message is obviously surrounded and centered in the cross. Jesus paid the price. Scripture teaches, you're not your own, you're bought with a price (1 Cor. 6:19-20). Well, that price was Jesus' death on the cross.

The way I teach this to kids is, I'll hold up a baseball card, usually an old one, but I'll say, "what did it take to make this?" It probably was a few cents, because it's just some ink on some cardboard. Not a lot went into it to make it, but these things, this Babe Ruth card - I think recently his rookie card sold for five plus million dollars. So how can a little rinky dink piece of cardboard go for five million dollars?

Well, it's easy. You determine value by how much someone is willing to pay for something. Well, God paid for you with his life, the life of his own Son. That is how kids can know how important they are to God. He was willing to give his own Son as a sacrifice to redeem you, to change you, and to make you able to spend eternity with him. That's how important you are.

That high price that God paid for them shows the value that they have. I think earlier I mentioned something about giving kids confidence because of their performance and what they can do. It's not about performance. God doesn't love you because you do good things for him. God loves you because you are you, and he made you. He designed you. You're his masterpiece.

Kids are not valuable because they perform well. They can sing well. They can do all these different things in your service. They're valuable because Jesus said they were worth dying for. So those three messages, I think every kid in our ministries need to hear regularly. And I think when they truly understand those three truths, everything in their lives changes.

Hannah Augustine (15:23)

And all of those things are tied to scripture, exactly what you just said, right? And that's why it's so important that we're in the Word, and that we know what the Bible says about us, but also about our kids. So with that in mind, with these messages being so deeply important, how do we as KidMin leaders go about creating a culture where these three truths, and speaking them, is the norm in our ministries? What are some practical ways to do that?

Brian Dollar (15:42)

It's great to know these are things that should be, but how do I make them be? What are the practical steps I can take? And I feel that pain. So some practical steps to building what I call a masterpiece culture. We're really building a culture where kids see themselves as God's masterpiece.

One thing that I would highly suggest is that you make identity a core curriculum theme, not just a side lesson that you may do once a year. We created one with High Voltage that was all about gender identity and overall identity, but it's not about one lesson. You should build that into the DNA of your teaching, and certainly of your ministry. Whether that's creating an entire series, whether you develop memory verses around your identity in Christ; maybe you

put Ephesians 2:10 on a poster and on your walls and print materials everywhere. You could just have kids do some out loud positive affirmations, like "I am God's masterpiece," and say it together on a regular basis. There are a lot of ways that we can kind of infuse these themes, these truths into our, the DNA of our ministry. It's all about building a culture, not just a moment.

We've touched on it, but the second step is to be intentional with your words. Every single weekend, every time you have an encounter with your kids, you may be the only adult that is speaking life over them and speaking words of affirmation and positivity into their life. I think we should train our teams and set a ministry standard that, if you're going to correct a kid and you're going to get on to them, there should be five affirmations for every one correction in a kid's life.

We're not just going to let kids run rampant and go crazy. But at the same time, we don't need to spend our time going, "don't do that, don't do that, don't do that, stop it, stop it, stop it." I think that's not going to have a culture that's going to make kids feel welcome and honored. Instead, yes, you should correct behavior, but never label them, never label identity. Don't make the mistake that that parent did and say that they're demon possessed because they've got a major behavior problem.

Maybe replace the phrase, "you're being bad," with something along the lines of, "you know what, that choice doesn't match who you are in Christ. And I know that you can make better choices because I've seen it in you. And I want to pray right now with you that God will help you when you're faced with a choice between something that's going to help you and something that's going to hinder you. You make the right choice every time."

See, you phrase behavior in a concept of “I'm making regular choices,” not “who I am is just coming out.” It's that, “I'm making a choice to either follow this step or that step.”  think language is important because it shapes self-concept. We've got to train our teams to keep this in mind. 

This is why I'm constantly telling all of our kids' ministry workers - even though we've got hundreds and hundreds of kids in our ministry - I encourage them, as many as you can, memorize their names. We have name tags, so it helps them, but they can call them by name, and speak about them very specifically. Say, "you know what, Jennifer, I love how kind you were to that girl who came last week that it was their very first time. I saw how you welcomed her and treated her. Thank you for doing that." 

Speak those words of affirmation when they're doing what they're supposed to do. Certainly avoid sarcasm when you're talking with kids. They're not going to see through that and see it as a lighthearted joke. The third thing that I think you can do, practical step, is to eliminate comparison in your ministry; just eliminate comparison. Comparing one kid to another, comparing a kid to an adult or somebody in the world…comparison kills confidence. 

Don't over-celebrate the most talented kids. Don't put the spotlight only on those loud, gregarious, outgoing kids that are very exuberant, and they're "people" people. Certainly don't compare one child's behavior to another's.

Instead, I think we've got to not focus on performance, but celebrate growth. When a kid is growing and taking steps to become more like Jesus, celebrate that! Affirm that effort! Highlight character traits rather than just performance-based affirmation. Those are things that we have to really be intentional in our minds about, because they're not always going to be things we're thinking about.

I think we often, without even realizing it, gravitate toward the more boisterous kid with the big personality. But I think a quiet kid serving faithfully matters just as much as that kid on stage who can lead in a song in a beautiful way. We've got to be very intentional about eliminating the comparison between kids.

Do you know what I'm talking about with that? Have you seen that in ministry?

Hannah Augustine (20:57)

Oh my goodness, yes. And the way you rephrased that correction - if you missed that, go back and listen again, or read the transcript, and literally copy paste that.

But pointing out, "you have more in you because of Jesus in you." Remember that behavior is communication, and really just slow down and ask, “what is this communicating? Is it coming from a place of maybe a lack of identity? Is it coming from a lack of care or support?” 

Sometimes, it's just behavior, and we're going to help redirect it. But having that perspective - all of this is a muscle. The more you compliment, the more you encourage, the more naturally it's going to flow from you.

Brian Dollar (21:31)

It is.

Hannah Augustine (21:35)

I even think about something as simple as, "I like those shoes. Those are so great." As a kid, I remember being so awkward and feeling so out of place in what I was wearing or who I was around. So even saying something little - "those are really great pants” - and then every time they put on those pants, they're going to feel a little bit more confident because somebody told them, "hey, those are great pants," or "I like your hair," or whatever that is, is a huge boost.

Brian Dollar (21:40)

Crazy story. It's pretty common, actually, but when it happened to me, I was like, wow; I never really thought about how strong my words were. This was years and years ago. I had a little girl come in, not from a wealthy family: the fact that she had a new dress on was a big deal, because you don't see her in a lot of new things. I remember - I didn't even spend a lot of time on it - when she was checking in, I said, "Is that a new dress? That is a beautiful dress. Way to go." She went on by, and I didn't think anything of it.

No lie, no less than five, six times that day she came, found me, stood in front of me and said, "do you still like my dress? Do you like my dress?" And wanted to hear that over and over again, because it meant so much to her. And I'm sure, like those pants you're talking about, every time she wore that dress, she remembered the affirmation that she got when she had that on.

Again, that's not speaking to a kid's character and who they are deeply, but it's affirming them and affirming their choice, and it's making them feel good. We don't realize how just one phrase can carry so much weight. And that's part of building that masterpiece culture. We've got to make sure that every word counts.

Hannah Augustine (23:18)

Your words do have so much weight. I think it's learning to speak even prophetically, and not in a weird way, but like you're saying, taking scripture and speaking that over kids and seeing something in them. I had a kids' pastor, and we were at kids’ camp during my last year in children's ministry. I was walking around praying for my friends. And he came up to me and he said, "Hannah, you are a prayer warrior." And I thought, what? No, I'm not. I don't even know what that means.

Honestly, that stayed with me for 10, 12 years. And it wasn't until my mid-20s that I realized, I think he was right, And he spoke something over me that took years to come to fruition. And we can do that for our kids.

Brian Dollar (23:54)

Romans 4:17 says it so well: "speaking things that are not as though they were." You know what? I've done that so many times with a kid that's had a chronic behavioral problem. I will speak to them as a child that I know they are. They may not be manifesting those good behavior traits right now, but I will say, "you know, I know you are a truth-telling young man. I know you just got in trouble for lying, but I know the truth is in you and you have Jesus, who said, ‘I'm the way, the truth and the life (John 14:6),’ and he will help you speak the truth every time." 

I'll speak of things that are not as though they were. And that child hears it and believes that, "I can be that. Jesus can help me become that. And I'm not destined to be the kid in trouble all the time. I can make a better choice." 

Going right along with those, we were talking about making that masterpiece culture, and we've already said these last two in an indirect way. The first step was making identity a core curriculum theme, and then being intentional with your words, and eliminating comparison.

Well, the fourth thing is to help kids discover their strengths. Look for ways to create moments where kids can succeed, where they can find what they're good at. Maybe they're a tech kid, and you can put them in the back helping lead the tech team, or work with the tech leaders that you have. Make them greeters, or part of the prayer team, or whatever. Find out what they enjoy. Help them find a role in ministry. Every kid's got a gift. You've just got to find it and help them find their place. 

Then the fifth thing that's a practical step is, we've said it, but correct behavior without labeling. Yeah, we've got to correct them. That's important. But we've got to separate behavior from identity. Correct firmly, but love them loudly while you do it. Because every weekend, we are either reinforcing shame, or we're reinforcing identity in Christ. And I want to be doing the latter, not the former.

Hannah Augustine (25:59)

Amen to that. What happens in a child's life when they really believe these truths: when we do those five things, when we emphasize these three truths, what happens for them?

Brian Dollar (26:09)

The results of a masterpiece culture are beautiful, because when you have a group of kids that truly believe these things about them - God designed me, I am God's masterpiece, and He paid a high price for me - suddenly, comparison loses its power.

Being compared to somebody else isn't going to affect me negatively, because I'm going to realize it's not about how I measure up to others. It's about what God did and has created in me, and how he's going to use me. Shame loses its voice, because kids don't pay attention to those negative messages that are thrown on them. They truly believe, "God's got a higher opinion of me than anybody in this world." They're not driven by performance. So that whole performance culture kind of loses control in their life. And they're instead rooted in who they are in God, not what they can do for God, which is huge. So many of us in ministry need to learn that truth big time.

Secure kids they become resilient adults, because they know who they are, and they completely and totally walk in that identity that they have had formed in them. And they believe, "I was designed by God, I am His masterpiece, and he paid a high price for me." And that drives everything they do and who they believe that they are.

Hannah Augustine (27:34)

Something you said at the end of your notes was, "secure kids don't need to compete because they already know who they are." And that's going to change the culture of your kids' ministry. If your kids are in a position of, “I don't need to compete,” they can learn to celebrate each other. That peer-to-peer encouragement is so important. 

Teach them to discern what voices they listen to. I've gone through seasons where I've had to not use social media, because there are things popping up in my algorithm that are comparison-based, or are speaking things over me. I don't need that. Maybe sometimes I can scroll past, but other times, "oh, that stuck, and that hit me, and I need to get away from it - get behind me, Satan." Let's teach our kids how to discern music, YouTube, movies, TV, all of those things, so that the voice of the church and the voice of Christ through us, is louder than the voice of culture.

Brian Dollar (28:26)

Yes.

Hannah Augustine (28:27)

Now, what would you say to KidMin leaders listening who want to help kids build a healthy identity in Christ? What would be your final advice?

Brian Dollar (28:35)

Well, a final message is just a reminder to them. You are actively shaping identity every single weekend. There are no throwaway opportunities that you have. If you're in front of a kid, you are shaping their Christ identity. And you're helping kids either internalize shame or internalize truth from the Word of God. So intentionally do the thing that you should do, which is helping them internalize those three messages.

I think we've got to, in everything we do, either reinforce, "I'm not enough," which I know we don't want to do, or we reinforce that message, "I am God's masterpiece." The beautiful thing is that when kids believe they are masterpieces created by God, they're not becoming arrogant. They're not going to have a big head. They're going to become secure, secure in who they are. They're going to become kind, because they're treating other people as if they are masterpieces as well. They're going to become confident in their identity in Christ and their relationship with Christ.

When they know who they are in Christ, they become the kind of adults who are going to change the world. They're going to start changing the world right now where they are and in the situations that they are in. So we've got to help kids answer those questions. I touched on it at the very beginning. "Who am I? Whose am I?” And, “why am I here?"

I think when kids know they're designed by God, they are His masterpiece, and Jesus paid a high price for them: when we teach that, we're not just building self-esteem, we're building disciples and people who are going to make a big impact in the kingdom of God.

Hannah Augustine (30:15)

I love it. You've founded High Voltage Kids Ministry Resources, which you talk about in your book. But have you created any resources that are going to help kids' pastors reinforce these truths?

Brian Dollar (30:20)

Yeah.

I know I mentioned the lesson Wonderfully Made. It's a single lesson that people can go to highvoltagekids.com and download. It focuses on these three main truths, but also touches on the gender identity crisis that we're seeing in the world today.

Something we took even further is, we created an entire experience for this year's brand new five-day VBS from High Voltage Kids, and it's called Masterpiece. Obviously, it's designed around this concept. It's an art theme, so everything has to do with art, and paint, and color, and the whole thing, and how God's the master artist. And he created every one of us as his masterpiece, including the world around us.

The event is really designed to help kids discover that God is the creator of everything, and he created them with purpose and value. The cool thing is, at High Voltage Kids, we've already done all the heavy lifting for you. We created all of these things, and when you download our Masterpiece VBS, you get everything you need to have an unforgettable week with your kids.

We've got intro videos, power verse videos, Bible story videos, I mean, videos, videos, videos, countdowns, all that stuff. Even promo videos for you to be able to promote it in your church and in your community. We've got a full director's manual, a large group manual that's got games, skits, illustrated messages, object lessons, the works. And then we've even got a small group time, age-level small group manuals for pre-k through first, second through third, fourth through fifth.

We have rotation station manuals where they're new crafts, snacks, and activities; all the stuff that VBS needs to come with. Plus, we've got new praise and worship music with lyric videos. And I'm telling you, they're going to love the Masterpiece theme song, which actually is on Spotify, and even YouTube in a couple of places. You can go find the Masterpiece theme song. 

There's so much that's included, and it's made to help you have an incredible VBS, kids' camp, family night, whatever. Plus, guess what, Hannah? I'm going to bless some people today, because it retails for $249, and that includes everything. There's no extras needed; $249 gets you the entire VBS download with all those things that I just mentioned. But I'm going to make it even better for listeners of the KidzMatter podcast. If you use the coupon code KIDZMATTER50 - KIDZMATTER50 - you're going to automatically get $50 off our Masterpiece VBS.

Now, you've got to do it quickly, and I know they're hearing this right at the beginning of April: it expires April 30th. So get on there, go to highvoltagekids.com/Masterpiece, or you can just go to highvoltagekids.com and find our Masterpiece VBS. We've got several other VBS options to choose from, but this one, if they use the coupon code KIDZMATTER50, they’ll get $50 off. I'm excited to put this in the hands of people, because I think it's going to help them teach kids they are God's masterpiece.

Hannah Augustine (33:49)

I think that's fantastic, and that $50 off - that brings it just under $200. That is a great rate for a VBS. So go snag that at highvoltagekids.com; go check that out. We'll put all the links and the coupon code in the show notes. Again, that is through April 30th, which,  let's be honest, you need your VBS curriculum before April 30th. So hopefully you can commit.

Brian Dollar (33:54)

Yeah, hey, here's the good thing.

Once you download it, it's yours. Use it next year, if it's too late and you've already passed that deadline, but it's yours forever. So it's great.

Hannah Augustine (34:14)

There you go. That is smart.

And it's a great way to get summer ready. And that's a reminder to register for our free Summer Ready micro course, which is going to give you a sneak peek of KidMin Academy. You can do that at kidzmatter.com/summer-ready. And Brian, I just want to say again, we're so grateful for your investment, for your faithfulness at your church, in your community, and just within the KidMin world. So thank you for investing, and we are super grateful for you.

Brian Dollar (34:43)

It is my honor. Thank you again for having me. I look forward to the next chat.

Hannah Augustine (34:47)

Sounds great. Y'all be sure to like and subscribe and check out highvoltagekids.com.