{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":0.63,"endTime":3.783,"body":"This week, I'm"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":0.63,"endTime":3.783,"body":"sharing some of my thoughts and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":3.852,"endTime":7.485,"body":"analysis about a new report"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":3.852,"endTime":7.485,"body":"that's come out, called a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":7.554,"endTime":11.119,"body":"spotlight on design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":7.554,"endTime":11.119,"body":"technology study in England,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":11.187,"endTime":15.369,"body":"trends in subject take up on the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":11.187,"endTime":15.369,"body":"teacher workforce. It's been"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":15.438,"endTime":19.688,"body":"compiled by Sam takut, from the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":15.438,"endTime":19.688,"body":"Education Policy Institute and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":19.757,"endTime":24.076,"body":"has been funded by a number of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":19.757,"endTime":24.076,"body":"different organisations. I'm not"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":24.144,"endTime":28.532,"body":"going to go through all who they"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":24.144,"endTime":28.532,"body":"are. But it's quite interesting"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":28.6,"endTime":32.782,"body":"to see who's funded this and who"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":28.6,"endTime":32.782,"body":"hasn't taken part in funding"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":32.851,"endTime":37.033,"body":"this. I think it's a worthwhile"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":32.851,"endTime":37.033,"body":"report to talk about, because"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":37.101,"endTime":41.077,"body":"although in some ways, it"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":37.101,"endTime":41.077,"body":"doesn't tell us anything that we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":41.146,"endTime":44.848,"body":"don't know, it is quite a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":41.146,"endTime":44.848,"body":"depressing report, if you're"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":44.916,"endTime":48.756,"body":"involved in designing the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":44.916,"endTime":48.756,"body":"technology in England. I think"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":48.824,"endTime":52.663,"body":"there's some things to question"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":48.824,"endTime":52.663,"body":"about the report, not to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":52.732,"endTime":56.777,"body":"undermine the quality of the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":52.732,"endTime":56.777,"body":"research, but just to explore,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":56.845,"endTime":60.959,"body":"and also some things to think"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":56.845,"endTime":60.959,"body":"about what's next and and what"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":61.027,"endTime":65.209,"body":"didn't this report tell us. So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":61.027,"endTime":65.209,"body":"rather than seeing this report"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":65.278,"endTime":69.459,"body":"as a full stop, or potentially"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":65.278,"endTime":69.459,"body":"even a dead end for design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":69.528,"endTime":73.641,"body":"technology, if we want to be"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":69.528,"endTime":73.641,"body":"really doom and gloom for don't"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":73.71,"endTime":77.686,"body":"want to be, then we need to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":73.71,"endTime":77.686,"body":"think about well, what's next."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":77.755,"endTime":81.937,"body":"So first of all, some of the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":77.755,"endTime":81.937,"body":"headlines. First of all, some of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":82.005,"endTime":85.844,"body":"the headlines. These were on"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":82.005,"endTime":85.844,"body":"page six of the report, I'm"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":85.913,"endTime":89.958,"body":"going to put a link to the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":85.913,"endTime":89.958,"body":"report in the in the show notes."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":90.026,"endTime":93.934,"body":"So don't think you've got to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":90.026,"endTime":93.934,"body":"kind of follow this and take"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":94.002,"endTime":98.184,"body":"notes as you're going along,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":94.002,"endTime":98.184,"body":"assuming people do take notes of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":98.253,"endTime":102.023,"body":"my podcast. Anyway. So the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":98.253,"endTime":102.023,"body":"executive summary gives some"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":102.092,"endTime":106.342,"body":"stats about the decline in the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":102.092,"endTime":106.342,"body":"number of young people entering"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":106.411,"endTime":110.113,"body":"design and technology"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":106.411,"endTime":110.113,"body":"qualifications at the end of key"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":110.181,"endTime":114.021,"body":"stage four. So if you're"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":110.181,"endTime":114.021,"body":"listening, and you're overseas,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":114.089,"endTime":118.202,"body":"that means there's 16 Normally,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":114.089,"endTime":118.202,"body":"and that seen a decline from"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":118.271,"endTime":122.042,"body":"44.2% of the school population"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":118.271,"endTime":122.042,"body":"in 2009, to 21.8%. So in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":122.11,"endTime":126.566,"body":"percentage terms, it's more than"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":122.11,"endTime":126.566,"body":"half in in real terms, it's also"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":126.635,"endTime":131.091,"body":"sort of I'm gonna say real terms"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":126.635,"endTime":131.091,"body":"in numbers, is dropped from over"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":131.16,"endTime":135.547,"body":"280,000 to just over 136,000. So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":131.16,"endTime":135.547,"body":"it's a it's a significant drop."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":135.616,"endTime":139.592,"body":"Not surprising, I've reported on"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":135.616,"endTime":139.592,"body":"this before, as have many"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":139.66,"endTime":144.048,"body":"others. Interestingly, they This"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":139.66,"endTime":144.048,"body":"report also talks about post 16"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":144.117,"endTime":148.23,"body":"study. So that 16 to 19 study,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":144.117,"endTime":148.23,"body":"and talks about and I've been"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":148.298,"endTime":152.48,"body":"discussing this recently, with"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":148.298,"endTime":152.48,"body":"colleagues in product designer"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":152.549,"endTime":156.868,"body":"from Nottingham Trent, there's a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":152.549,"endTime":156.868,"body":"decline in the number of young"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":156.936,"endTime":161.255,"body":"people being entered for a D\u0026T a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":156.936,"endTime":161.255,"body":"level. And that's dropped from"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":161.324,"endTime":165.574,"body":"22,000 to over 22,000 to just"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":161.324,"endTime":165.574,"body":"over 10,000. That's a huge drop."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":165.643,"endTime":170.031,"body":"Okay. And in terms of vocational"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":165.643,"endTime":170.031,"body":"engineering students, I'm going"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":170.099,"endTime":174.35,"body":"to talk about the fact that this"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":170.099,"endTime":174.35,"body":"paper focuses on engineering,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":174.418,"endTime":178.394,"body":"later on in the episode has"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":174.418,"endTime":178.394,"body":"increased from just under 4000"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":178.463,"endTime":182.508,"body":"to just over 11,000. Okay. Now,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":178.463,"endTime":182.508,"body":"there's some caveats around"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":182.576,"endTime":186.415,"body":"that, that the report talks"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":182.576,"endTime":186.415,"body":"about that there has been an"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":186.484,"endTime":190.94,"body":"increase in the number of people"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":186.484,"endTime":190.94,"body":"studying in that 16 to 19 cohort"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":191.009,"endTime":194.711,"body":"because of policy change in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":191.009,"endTime":194.711,"body":"England, where people were"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":194.779,"endTime":199.03,"body":"required to stay in education"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":194.779,"endTime":199.03,"body":"and training to at least the age"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":199.098,"endTime":203.486,"body":"of 17. So some of that has come"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":199.098,"endTime":203.486,"body":"about through policy change, and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":203.554,"endTime":207.873,"body":"people being compelled, rather"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":203.554,"endTime":207.873,"body":"than people making choices where"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":207.942,"endTime":212.261,"body":"they would have maybe gone into"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":207.942,"endTime":212.261,"body":"work in the past. Then the next"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":212.329,"endTime":216.237,"body":"point, I think, is really"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":212.329,"endTime":216.237,"body":"interesting. And I want to come"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":216.306,"endTime":220.556,"body":"back to this is that sponsored"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":216.306,"endTime":220.556,"body":"academies and free schools were"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":220.625,"endTime":224.944,"body":"less likely to enter pupils for"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":220.625,"endTime":224.944,"body":"design and technology GCSE than"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":225.012,"endTime":229.194,"body":"the other main provider types. I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":225.012,"endTime":229.194,"body":"think, I think that's really"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":229.263,"endTime":233.376,"body":"interesting. And I wonder if"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":229.263,"endTime":233.376,"body":"that's got something to do with"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":233.445,"endTime":237.558,"body":"some of the other data where Sam"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":233.445,"endTime":237.558,"body":"talks about where the young"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":237.626,"endTime":241.74,"body":"people are, that are studying"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":237.626,"endTime":241.74,"body":"GCSE design and technology. So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":241.808,"endTime":245.579,"body":"that's the first note,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":241.808,"endTime":245.579,"body":"unsurprisingly 16 to 19. There's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":245.648,"endTime":249.555,"body":"more young people percentage"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":245.648,"endTime":249.555,"body":"wise in independent schools,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":249.624,"endTime":253.737,"body":"private schools, interesting how"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":249.624,"endTime":253.737,"body":"they call them independent,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":253.806,"endTime":257.645,"body":"whereas I would call them"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":253.806,"endTime":257.645,"body":"private, but there we go. It's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":257.713,"endTime":261.69,"body":"all about a marketing term to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":257.713,"endTime":261.69,"body":"me, is about there's been an"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":261.758,"endTime":265.734,"body":"increase, and as a high level"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":261.758,"endTime":265.734,"body":"4.2% It's not ginormous, but"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":265.803,"endTime":269.779,"body":"it's it's 4.2%. In private"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":265.803,"endTime":269.779,"body":"schools, in comparison to state"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":269.848,"endTime":273.961,"body":"schools, and further education,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":269.848,"endTime":273.961,"body":"there's not a lot of a level"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":274.03,"endTime":277.32,"body":"design and technology entry"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":274.03,"endTime":277.32,"body":"happening there. But"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":277.389,"endTime":281.639,"body":"unsurprisingly, there's a lot"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":277.389,"endTime":281.639,"body":"there's a higher number of young"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":281.708,"endTime":285.136,"body":"people entering level three"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":281.708,"endTime":285.136,"body":"vocational engineering"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":285.204,"endTime":288.563,"body":"qualifications in FE not"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":285.204,"endTime":288.563,"body":"surprising because Fe is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":288.632,"endTime":292.677,"body":"primarily and historically"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":288.632,"endTime":292.677,"body":"around vocational qualifications"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":292.745,"endTime":296.79,"body":"that that's its history. And"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":292.745,"endTime":296.79,"body":"that's been its main focus. So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":296.859,"endTime":299.19,"body":"that's kind of not not surprising."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":301.829,"endTime":306.311,"body":"So thinking about locations"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":301.829,"endTime":306.311,"body":"where there are numbers of young"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":306.385,"endTime":310.718,"body":"people, higher percentages, and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":306.385,"endTime":310.718,"body":"lower percentages of young"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":310.793,"endTime":315.2,"body":"people been entered in London,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":310.793,"endTime":315.2,"body":"North East Yorkshire and the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":315.275,"endTime":319.757,"body":"Humber for about 18% of pupils"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":315.275,"endTime":319.757,"body":"at the end of key stage four,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":319.832,"endTime":324.015,"body":"enter for GCSE d and t,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":319.832,"endTime":324.015,"body":"contrasting with rates over 20%."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":324.09,"endTime":328.423,"body":"Particularly notably in the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":324.09,"endTime":328.423,"body":"southwest, East Midlands, East"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":328.498,"endTime":332.905,"body":"of England and the Southeast."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":328.498,"endTime":332.905,"body":"Gonna talk a little bit later"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":332.98,"endTime":337.686,"body":"about speculation, speculation"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":332.98,"endTime":337.686,"body":"about why I think that might be."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":337.761,"endTime":342.243,"body":"And then, in terms of, and this"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":337.761,"endTime":342.243,"body":"is an unsurprising stat, but"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":342.318,"endTime":346.875,"body":"it's good to have the stats is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":342.318,"endTime":346.875,"body":"that people, young pupils, who"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":346.949,"endTime":351.431,"body":"did not enter a GCSE d and t,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":346.949,"endTime":351.431,"body":"were very unlikely to continue"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":351.506,"endTime":355.69,"body":"into post 16 study. Not"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":351.506,"endTime":355.69,"body":"surprising, okay. And then, this"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":355.764,"endTime":360.396,"body":"is a sad note for me in terms of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":355.764,"endTime":360.396,"body":"working in teacher education,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":360.471,"endTime":365.102,"body":"that the number of design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":360.471,"endTime":365.102,"body":"technology teachers in secondary"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":365.177,"endTime":370.033,"body":"schools has been declining since"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":365.177,"endTime":370.033,"body":"2011. Such that in 2020, the D\u0026T"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":370.107,"endTime":374.664,"body":"workforce only accounted for 3%"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":370.107,"endTime":374.664,"body":"of all teachers nationally in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":374.739,"endTime":379.37,"body":"England. And that postgraduate"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":374.739,"endTime":379.37,"body":"initial teacher recruitment has"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":379.445,"endTime":383.778,"body":"continually fallen short for the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":379.445,"endTime":383.778,"body":"D\u0026T targets, with us only"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":383.853,"endTime":388.335,"body":"meeting 23% of the target in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":383.853,"endTime":388.335,"body":"2122. I think there's all sorts"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":388.41,"endTime":393.116,"body":"of factors, some of which can be"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":388.41,"endTime":393.116,"body":"controlled by government, some"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":393.191,"endTime":397.449,"body":"of which are due to economy, and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":393.191,"endTime":397.449,"body":"some of which are due to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":397.523,"endTime":401.856,"body":"accessibility of courses. But,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":397.523,"endTime":401.856,"body":"you know, that's, that's an"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":401.931,"endTime":406.338,"body":"another reason. But if you've"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":401.931,"endTime":406.338,"body":"changed the structure and the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":406.413,"endTime":410.746,"body":"format of teacher training,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":406.413,"endTime":410.746,"body":"which the government has, that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":410.821,"endTime":414.929,"body":"there has been a decline in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":410.821,"endTime":414.929,"body":"universities involvement in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":415.004,"endTime":419.187,"body":"teacher education, and notably"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":415.004,"endTime":419.187,"body":"in design and technology,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":419.262,"endTime":423.595,"body":"education. And it's happening"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":419.262,"endTime":423.595,"body":"more at a local level, where"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":423.67,"endTime":427.778,"body":"it's ones and twos in schools,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":423.67,"endTime":427.778,"body":"if you've got fewer dn T"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":427.853,"endTime":432.186,"body":"teachers, and you've got fewer"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":427.853,"endTime":432.186,"body":"opportunities in schools to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":432.26,"endTime":437.041,"body":"actually mentor support and run"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":432.26,"endTime":437.041,"body":"programmes. And these things are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":437.116,"endTime":441.673,"body":"time consuming, and involve a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":437.116,"endTime":441.673,"body":"lot of work. So I'm kind of not"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":441.748,"endTime":446.08,"body":"surprised at those figures"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":441.748,"endTime":446.08,"body":"saddened, but not surprised. So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":446.155,"endTime":450.936,"body":"those are the headlines, really,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":446.155,"endTime":450.936,"body":"from the executive summary that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":451.011,"endTime":455.643,"body":"I wanted to draw on. There's a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":451.011,"endTime":455.643,"body":"couple of things that I kind of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":455.717,"endTime":460.498,"body":"want to explore, I sat and read"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":455.717,"endTime":460.498,"body":"this report in detail yesterday,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":460.573,"endTime":465.13,"body":"and made some notes and I've"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":460.573,"endTime":465.13,"body":"kind of moved over it. These are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":465.205,"endTime":470.06,"body":"just initial thoughts, and other"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":465.205,"endTime":470.06,"body":"people will have other thoughts."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":470.135,"endTime":474.02,"body":"And so the picture is dire. But"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":470.135,"endTime":474.02,"body":"it's not surprising."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":476.13,"endTime":478.2,"body":"I think those of us who've been"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":476.13,"endTime":478.2,"body":"involved in design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":478.2,"endTime":482.16,"body":"technology for a period, are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":478.2,"endTime":482.16,"body":"unsurprised by this, but it's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":482.16,"endTime":486.84,"body":"really good to have this report"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":482.16,"endTime":486.84,"body":"to have something that has a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":486.84,"endTime":490.89,"body":"rigour and a thoroughness to it."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":486.84,"endTime":490.89,"body":"What I really like about this"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":490.89,"endTime":494.76,"body":"report is that it does explain"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":490.89,"endTime":494.76,"body":"the parameters. I don't like all"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":494.76,"endTime":499.29,"body":"of the parameters in terms of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":494.76,"endTime":499.29,"body":"how they have made some"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":499.29,"endTime":502.59,"body":"decisions. But I understand why"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":499.29,"endTime":502.59,"body":"those decisions have been made,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":502.59,"endTime":505.59,"body":"particularly in light of who's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":502.59,"endTime":505.59,"body":"been involved in funding the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":505.59,"endTime":509.58,"body":"paper for certain funding the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":505.59,"endTime":509.58,"body":"study. So what do I mean by"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":509.58,"endTime":514.5,"body":"that? When I talk about the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":509.58,"endTime":514.5,"body":"parameters and concerns or"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":514.5,"endTime":517.65,"body":"questions that I have about"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":514.5,"endTime":517.65,"body":"this, you'll have to excuse the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":517.65,"endTime":519.78,"body":"rustling of paper, because I've"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":517.65,"endTime":519.78,"body":"got the report on the table."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":519.78,"endTime":522.72,"body":"I've made some notes, but I'm"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":519.78,"endTime":522.72,"body":"going to want to flick back and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":522.72,"endTime":526.44,"body":"forth. So first of all, one of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":522.72,"endTime":526.44,"body":"the things that I want to pick"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":526.44,"endTime":531.51,"body":"out from this report, which I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":526.44,"endTime":531.51,"body":"think, again, it's not"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":531.51,"endTime":535.02,"body":"surprising that this is the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":531.51,"endTime":535.02,"body":"angle that the study has taken,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":535.56,"endTime":540.87,"body":"but when they've had to make"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":535.56,"endTime":540.87,"body":"decisions about looking at"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":540.93,"endTime":545.4,"body":"vocational qualifications, and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":540.93,"endTime":545.4,"body":"making decisions about which"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":545.4,"endTime":549.06,"body":"vocational qualifications to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":545.4,"endTime":549.06,"body":"include in terms of trying to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":549.06,"endTime":554.37,"body":"find the numbers of pupils"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":549.06,"endTime":554.37,"body":"entered, they have focused on"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":554.88,"endTime":561.21,"body":"engineering, okay. Now, I can"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":554.88,"endTime":561.21,"body":"understand why and it is quite"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":561.21,"endTime":564.57,"body":"difficult when we may look at"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":561.21,"endTime":564.57,"body":"other material areas and other"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":564.9,"endTime":569.58,"body":"disciplines within design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":564.9,"endTime":569.58,"body":"technology to identify post 16"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":570.03,"endTime":573.36,"body":"qualifications that relate to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":570.03,"endTime":573.36,"body":"design and technology. But I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":573.36,"endTime":577.62,"body":"think it is disappointing that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":573.36,"endTime":577.62,"body":"that angles been taken, because"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":577.62,"endTime":581.82,"body":"that sends to me messages out"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":577.62,"endTime":581.82,"body":"about the worth that people"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":582.24,"endTime":588.18,"body":"involved in this type of policy"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":582.24,"endTime":588.18,"body":"discussion, see around textiles,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":588.21,"endTime":595.92,"body":"fashion, architecture, and food"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":588.21,"endTime":595.92,"body":"technology. So as I said, I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":595.92,"endTime":598.62,"body":"understand the pragmatic"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":595.92,"endTime":598.62,"body":"decisions, but I think it's a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":598.62,"endTime":602.94,"body":"disappointment and So some"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":598.62,"endTime":602.94,"body":"aspects of this have to be"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":603.36,"endTime":605.91,"body":"approached with caution when"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":603.36,"endTime":605.91,"body":"we're looking at the vocational"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":605.91,"endTime":611.7,"body":"figures. That's one, that's one"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":605.91,"endTime":611.7,"body":"thing to look at. I'm really"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":611.7,"endTime":617.67,"body":"pleased to see in this report"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":611.7,"endTime":617.67,"body":"that they attempt to look at the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":617.67,"endTime":622.8,"body":"numbers of children who are from"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":617.67,"endTime":622.8,"body":"socially deprived backgrounds to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":622.98,"endTime":625.68,"body":"look at look at their rent"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":622.98,"endTime":625.68,"body":"requirements. This is something"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":625.68,"endTime":628.23,"body":"that I think is really"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":625.68,"endTime":628.23,"body":"important, because I think"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":628.23,"endTime":634.65,"body":"there's all sorts of implicit"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":628.23,"endTime":634.65,"body":"messages that are sent around"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":634.68,"endTime":640.14,"body":"subjects like design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":634.68,"endTime":640.14,"body":"technology, and around GCSE, and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":640.14,"endTime":644.34,"body":"vocational subjects around"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":640.14,"endTime":644.34,"body":"assumptions that we might make"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":644.52,"endTime":648.72,"body":"that children from low"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":644.52,"endTime":648.72,"body":"socioeconomic backgrounds,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":648.72,"endTime":652.35,"body":"poorer backgrounds, more"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":648.72,"endTime":652.35,"body":"challenging backgrounds, special"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":652.35,"endTime":656.88,"body":"needs, is also looked at in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":652.35,"endTime":656.88,"body":"this, that they're not suited to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":656.88,"endTime":660.48,"body":"GCSE design and technology."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":656.88,"endTime":660.48,"body":"Well, as people might have"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":660.48,"endTime":663.24,"body":"picked up a bit in previous"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":660.48,"endTime":663.24,"body":"podcast episodes, you know, I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":663.24,"endTime":667.02,"body":"really am a believer in the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":663.24,"endTime":667.02,"body":"value of design and technology"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":667.02,"endTime":672.0,"body":"as a key component of general"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":667.02,"endTime":672.0,"body":"education for all children, up"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":672.0,"endTime":675.18,"body":"to the age of key stage three,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":672.0,"endTime":675.18,"body":"up to the age of 14, and I'm"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":675.18,"endTime":682.5,"body":"really clear that it's 14, not"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":675.18,"endTime":682.5,"body":"13. Okay. But this report"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":682.53,"endTime":685.86,"body":"understandably doesn't focus on"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":682.53,"endTime":685.86,"body":"that pre 14 age, it's focusing"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":685.86,"endTime":692.7,"body":"on gcss. However, they do use"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":685.86,"endTime":692.7,"body":"the measure of free school meals"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":692.7,"endTime":696.18,"body":"to begin to look at the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":692.7,"endTime":696.18,"body":"percentage of children who have"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":696.45,"endTime":699.66,"body":"free school meals have been"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":696.45,"endTime":699.66,"body":"claimed free school meals, how"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":699.66,"endTime":703.86,"body":"many of those have been entered"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":699.66,"endTime":703.86,"body":"for GCSE design and technology,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":704.82,"endTime":711.36,"body":"and it is lower than pupils who"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":704.82,"endTime":711.36,"body":"are not claiming free school"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":711.36,"endTime":717.69,"body":"meals. Now, there might be all"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":711.36,"endTime":717.69,"body":"sorts of reasons for them. But I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":717.69,"endTime":722.79,"body":"suppose I kind of sit here with"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":717.69,"endTime":722.79,"body":"a health warning. That is that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":722.79,"endTime":728.7,"body":"saying that, as a community, we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":722.79,"endTime":728.7,"body":"don't feel that GCSE design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":728.7,"endTime":731.94,"body":"technology, which I believe is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":728.7,"endTime":731.94,"body":"part of a general education or"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":731.94,"endTime":738.9,"body":"vocational education is suited"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":731.94,"endTime":738.9,"body":"to pupils who are claiming free"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":738.9,"endTime":746.52,"body":"school meals. Now, there's lots"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":738.9,"endTime":746.52,"body":"of reasons why children are on"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":746.52,"endTime":751.65,"body":"or entered for GCSE is it's not"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":746.52,"endTime":751.65,"body":"just about the classroom teacher"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":751.68,"endTime":754.62,"body":"and the way the classroom"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":751.68,"endTime":754.62,"body":"teachers talk to different"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":754.62,"endTime":757.62,"body":"pupils in their classrooms."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":754.62,"endTime":757.62,"body":"There's parental context is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":757.62,"endTime":758.79,"body":"school context."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":759.12,"endTime":763.398,"body":"There's accessibility. There's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":759.12,"endTime":763.398,"body":"all sorts of different factors."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":763.467,"endTime":767.745,"body":"So this is not me saying that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":763.467,"endTime":767.745,"body":"this is this reason for this gap"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":767.814,"endTime":772.231,"body":"between the percentage of pupils"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":767.814,"endTime":772.231,"body":"claiming free school meals been"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":772.3,"endTime":776.578,"body":"lower than the percentage of all"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":772.3,"endTime":776.578,"body":"of the people who don't claim"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":776.647,"endTime":780.718,"body":"free school meals entered for"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":776.647,"endTime":780.718,"body":"GCSE is due to teachers. It's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":780.787,"endTime":785.135,"body":"not it's not it's not all due to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":780.787,"endTime":785.135,"body":"the classroom situation. But I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":785.204,"endTime":789.137,"body":"think it is something that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":785.204,"endTime":789.137,"body":"should be thought about within"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":789.206,"endTime":793.277,"body":"d\u0026c departments and within"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":789.206,"endTime":793.277,"body":"schools. And in the way, Parents"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":793.346,"endTime":797.21,"body":"are encouraged to think about"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":793.346,"endTime":797.21,"body":"the benefits of a GCSE and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":797.279,"endTime":801.006,"body":"design and technology as a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":797.279,"endTime":801.006,"body":"route. And as a basis for a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":801.075,"endTime":805.353,"body":"general education. I've said it"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":801.075,"endTime":805.353,"body":"before. And I'll say it again,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":805.422,"endTime":809.424,"body":"if we focus on the vocational"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":805.422,"endTime":809.424,"body":"aspects of GC, of design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":809.493,"endTime":813.358,"body":"technology, then there's a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":809.493,"endTime":813.358,"body":"significant number of pupils,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":813.427,"endTime":817.774,"body":"who, therefore are excluded from"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":813.427,"endTime":817.774,"body":"the subject both ways in terms"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":817.843,"endTime":821.983,"body":"of, they're encouraged on the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":817.843,"endTime":821.983,"body":"vocational route. So they lose"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":822.052,"endTime":825.986,"body":"the opportunity to think about"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":822.052,"endTime":825.986,"body":"the general benefit from a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":826.055,"endTime":829.919,"body":"democratic utility, economic,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":826.055,"endTime":829.919,"body":"cultural, societal benefit"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":829.988,"endTime":834.266,"body":"design and technology. And then"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":829.988,"endTime":834.266,"body":"those who are here the message"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":834.335,"endTime":838.476,"body":"that d and t is a vocational"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":834.335,"endTime":838.476,"body":"subject, but they don't want to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":838.545,"endTime":842.754,"body":"go down that route. Then they're"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":838.545,"endTime":842.754,"body":"thinking, well, this subject"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":842.823,"endTime":846.963,"body":"isn't for me, and therefore,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":842.823,"endTime":846.963,"body":"also by nature, they're missing"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":847.032,"endTime":850.897,"body":"out on, you know, gaining those"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":847.032,"endTime":850.897,"body":"democratic, utilitarian,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":850.966,"endTime":854.554,"body":"cultural, societal, and so on"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":850.966,"endTime":854.554,"body":"benefits of design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":854.623,"endTime":858.556,"body":"technology. So I kind of say"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":854.623,"endTime":858.556,"body":"that with that, that thought"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":858.625,"endTime":863.042,"body":"about what are the what is that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":858.625,"endTime":863.042,"body":"things that we have control over"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":863.111,"endTime":866.768,"body":"as teachers, leaders,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":863.111,"endTime":866.768,"body":"researchers, people involved in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":866.837,"endTime":871.253,"body":"design and technology about how"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":866.837,"endTime":871.253,"body":"we communicate these messages to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":871.322,"endTime":875.325,"body":"the different types of pupils"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":871.322,"endTime":875.325,"body":"that are within schools. And"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":875.394,"endTime":879.672,"body":"it's a similar situation when we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":875.394,"endTime":879.672,"body":"look at ethnicity within this"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":879.741,"endTime":884.157,"body":"report. So again, we'll have to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":879.741,"endTime":884.157,"body":"do some flicking over the pages."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":884.226,"endTime":888.229,"body":"This is on page 17. highest"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":884.226,"endTime":888.229,"body":"percentage proportion of which"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":888.298,"endTime":892.231,"body":"entered at least one GS GCSE"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":888.298,"endTime":892.231,"body":"design and technology. White"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":892.3,"endTime":896.44,"body":"British, lowest black African."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":892.3,"endTime":896.44,"body":"Okay, next lowest gypsy Roma."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":896.509,"endTime":900.926,"body":"What do we say and what are the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":896.509,"endTime":900.926,"body":"implicit messages that are being"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":900.995,"endTime":904.652,"body":"sent out? about design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":900.995,"endTime":904.652,"body":"technology that either are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":904.721,"endTime":908.792,"body":"affecting the way children of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":904.721,"endTime":908.792,"body":"different ethnicities feel is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":908.861,"endTime":912.725,"body":"their place in design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":908.861,"endTime":912.725,"body":"technology, or that society or"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":912.794,"endTime":917.142,"body":"education more broadly a saying"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":912.794,"endTime":917.142,"body":"about the benefit of design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":917.211,"endTime":921.144,"body":"technology to children of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":917.211,"endTime":921.144,"body":"different ethnicities. Okay, so"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":921.213,"endTime":925.146,"body":"I think that's something that's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":921.213,"endTime":925.146,"body":"something to think about."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":925.215,"endTime":929.356,"body":"Another aspect is going back to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":925.215,"endTime":929.356,"body":"this point, in the executive"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":929.425,"endTime":933.151,"body":"summary, about sponsored"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":929.425,"endTime":933.151,"body":"candidates had Emmys and free"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":933.22,"endTime":937.015,"body":"schools, and less likely to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":933.22,"endTime":937.015,"body":"enter pupils for design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":937.084,"endTime":941.018,"body":"technology, they have more"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":937.084,"endTime":941.018,"body":"control over their curriculum."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":941.087,"endTime":945.158,"body":"So maybe their senior leaders"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":941.087,"endTime":945.158,"body":"don't see the value of design"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":945.227,"endTime":949.022,"body":"and technology as part of a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":945.227,"endTime":949.022,"body":"general education. So maybe"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":949.091,"endTime":953.439,"body":"there's something there for to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":949.091,"endTime":953.439,"body":"be addressed. Maybe it's because"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":953.508,"endTime":957.855,"body":"these academies and free schools"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":953.508,"endTime":957.855,"body":"are, are more closely managing"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":957.924,"endTime":962.271,"body":"their budgets, I don't know in a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":957.924,"endTime":962.271,"body":"different way, setting up in a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":962.34,"endTime":966.136,"body":"different way. D\u0026T is an"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":962.34,"endTime":966.136,"body":"expensive subject, potentially"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":966.205,"endTime":970.483,"body":"expensive subject to set up and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":966.205,"endTime":970.483,"body":"run. And also historically, in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":970.552,"endTime":974.623,"body":"the subject, the results haven't"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":970.552,"endTime":974.623,"body":"been great in terms of the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":974.692,"endTime":978.764,"body":"national picture and the value"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":974.692,"endTime":978.764,"body":"added. So maybe they've made"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":978.833,"endTime":982.835,"body":"some strategic decisions. So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":978.833,"endTime":982.835,"body":"that's, those are some of the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":982.904,"endTime":986.906,"body":"reasons why that might have"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":982.904,"endTime":986.906,"body":"happened. There might be other"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":986.975,"endTime":990.909,"body":"reasons as well. And which"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":986.975,"endTime":990.909,"body":"people might want to come back"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":990.978,"endTime":995.049,"body":"at me with, which is absolutely"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":990.978,"endTime":995.049,"body":"fine. These are my, just my"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":995.118,"endTime":999.603,"body":"thoughts at this stage. Then the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":995.118,"endTime":999.603,"body":"other one was around where there"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":999.672,"endTime":1003.744,"body":"is the higher percentage of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":999.672,"endTime":1003.744,"body":"pupils studying GCSE design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1003.813,"endTime":1007.953,"body":"technology. And so those were"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1003.813,"endTime":1007.953,"body":"southwest, East Midlands, East"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1008.022,"endTime":1012.231,"body":"of England and the Southeast. So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1008.022,"endTime":1012.231,"body":"I started speculate, but why"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1012.3,"endTime":1016.51,"body":"would this be? Why might this be"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1012.3,"endTime":1016.51,"body":"it might be for all sorts of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1016.579,"endTime":1020.512,"body":"reasons. Painting to see if"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1016.579,"endTime":1020.512,"body":"there's any statistics on the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1020.581,"endTime":1024.79,"body":"numbers of teachers in those"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1020.581,"endTime":1024.79,"body":"schools. Okay, so, you know, you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1024.859,"endTime":1028.793,"body":"would expect there to be a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1024.859,"endTime":1028.793,"body":"greater percentage of teachers"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1028.862,"endTime":1032.933,"body":"potentially in there. And then"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1028.862,"endTime":1032.933,"body":"why would there be a greater"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1033.002,"endTime":1037.28,"body":"percentage of teachers? Well,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1033.002,"endTime":1037.28,"body":"that might be and this is me, in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1037.349,"endTime":1041.559,"body":"my mind, looking at this from a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1037.349,"endTime":1041.559,"body":"higher education perspective,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1041.559,"endTime":1045.337,"body":"I might kind of be missing"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1041.559,"endTime":1045.337,"body":"different perspectives. Here is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1045.402,"endTime":1049.115,"body":"where the where's the initial"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1045.402,"endTime":1049.115,"body":"teacher education, there's,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1049.18,"endTime":1052.763,"body":"there's quite a bit of initial"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1049.18,"endTime":1052.763,"body":"teacher education in the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1052.828,"endTime":1056.346,"body":"Midlands for design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1052.828,"endTime":1056.346,"body":"technology, in terms of larger"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1056.411,"endTime":1059.994,"body":"centres, where it's not one or"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1056.411,"endTime":1059.994,"body":"two teachers, or student"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1060.059,"endTime":1063.903,"body":"teachers, it's actually some"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1060.059,"endTime":1063.903,"body":"larger groups, for example, at"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1063.968,"endTime":1067.616,"body":"Trent, where I am Sheffield"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1063.968,"endTime":1067.616,"body":"Hallam and other places, you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1067.681,"endTime":1071.199,"body":"know, Birmingham City"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1067.681,"endTime":1071.199,"body":"University, who are doing design"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1071.264,"endTime":1074.977,"body":"and technology education have"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1071.264,"endTime":1074.977,"body":"and have sort of reasonably"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1075.043,"endTime":1078.626,"body":"significant cohorts not"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1075.043,"endTime":1078.626,"body":"significant as we used to have,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1078.691,"endTime":1082.534,"body":"but significant. And, and I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1078.691,"endTime":1082.534,"body":"would imagine that if you are a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1082.599,"endTime":1086.834,"body":"student, dn T teacher, and there"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1082.599,"endTime":1086.834,"body":"is a group of you together, then"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1086.899,"endTime":1090.807,"body":"you're more likely to stay on"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1086.899,"endTime":1090.807,"body":"the course, because you've got"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1090.873,"endTime":1094.781,"body":"others who are going through"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1090.873,"endTime":1094.781,"body":"similar experiences. Whereas be"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1094.846,"endTime":1098.69,"body":"interesting to see what the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1094.846,"endTime":1098.69,"body":"retention rates are when it's a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1098.755,"endTime":1102.794,"body":"small cohort of D\u0026T teachers or"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1098.755,"endTime":1102.794,"body":"students and teachers or an or"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1102.859,"endTime":1106.833,"body":"an individual within an academy"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1102.859,"endTime":1106.833,"body":"chain. It's been as an aside,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1106.898,"endTime":1110.742,"body":"it's been interesting that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1106.898,"endTime":1110.742,"body":"myself and Matt McLean have been"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1110.807,"endTime":1114.65,"body":"running this year, an online"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1110.807,"endTime":1114.65,"body":"programme webinars for student"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1114.715,"endTime":1118.95,"body":"teachers, and running to us, you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1114.715,"endTime":1118.95,"body":"know, with the learning to teach"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1119.015,"endTime":1123.054,"body":"the entire book. And, and the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1119.015,"endTime":1123.054,"body":"majority of people who've joined"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1123.119,"endTime":1126.962,"body":"the course, are studying to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1123.119,"endTime":1126.962,"body":"become a D\u0026T teacher as part of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1127.028,"endTime":1130.48,"body":"a multi Academy trust. So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1127.028,"endTime":1130.48,"body":"they're the only ones so by"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1130.545,"endTime":1134.584,"body":"joining our group, they're part"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1130.545,"endTime":1134.584,"body":"of a bigger group. And there's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1134.649,"endTime":1138.428,"body":"been a couple of others who are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1134.649,"endTime":1138.428,"body":"early career teachers, and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1138.493,"endTime":1142.662,"body":"they're the only D and T teacher"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1138.493,"endTime":1142.662,"body":"in the department. So that kind"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1142.727,"endTime":1146.766,"body":"of says to me a little bit about"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1142.727,"endTime":1146.766,"body":"this idea about isolation and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1146.831,"endTime":1150.349,"body":"needing to be part of a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1146.831,"endTime":1150.349,"body":"community. And Sarah Davis has"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1150.414,"endTime":1153.997,"body":"talked about this in her"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1150.414,"endTime":1153.997,"body":"research around, you know, how"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1154.062,"endTime":1157.971,"body":"did e and t teachers are on"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1154.062,"endTime":1157.971,"body":"their own, develop and deal with"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1158.036,"endTime":1162.14,"body":"some of these challenges around"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1158.036,"endTime":1162.14,"body":"curriculum status, recruitment,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1162.205,"endTime":1166.049,"body":"and GCSE entry so so building"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1162.205,"endTime":1166.049,"body":"those networks is a potential"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1166.114,"endTime":1169.697,"body":"solution. I mean, Design"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1166.114,"endTime":1169.697,"body":"Technology Association do do a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1169.762,"endTime":1173.866,"body":"lot around that as well. But you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1169.762,"endTime":1173.866,"body":"know, we need we need multiple"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1173.931,"endTime":1177.319,"body":"networks rather than, than"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1173.931,"endTime":1177.319,"body":"single networks. And then"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1177.384,"endTime":1181.488,"body":"finally, I'm kind of like really"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1177.384,"endTime":1181.488,"body":"curious about what's happening"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1181.553,"endTime":1185.332,"body":"in Cumbria, Herefordshire, and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1181.553,"endTime":1185.332,"body":"Dorset, because Cumbria and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1185.397,"endTime":1189.631,"body":"Cumbria has a high percentage of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1185.397,"endTime":1189.631,"body":"I'm going to have to get look at"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1189.696,"endTime":1193.344,"body":"my look at the stats here"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1189.696,"endTime":1193.344,"body":"because there's quite a number"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1193.41,"endTime":1197.318,"body":"going on. high percentage of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1193.41,"endTime":1197.318,"body":"entries, both to a level and to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1197.383,"endTime":1201.357,"body":"vocation. no qualifications."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1197.383,"endTime":1201.357,"body":"Okay, so Cumbria has the highest"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1201.422,"endTime":1205.461,"body":"rate of entries for Level Three"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1201.422,"endTime":1205.461,"body":"vocational engineering, Qualls"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1205.526,"endTime":1209.63,"body":"and design and technology level,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1205.526,"endTime":1209.63,"body":"we featured in both the charts"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1209.696,"endTime":1213.018,"body":"on page 32. If you're"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1209.696,"endTime":1213.018,"body":"interested, we're not talking"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1213.083,"endTime":1217.122,"body":"big numbers, we're talking 4.7%"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1213.083,"endTime":1217.122,"body":"for the vocational and 4.4 for"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1217.187,"endTime":1220.444,"body":"the a level, but it's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1217.187,"endTime":1220.444,"body":"interesting that it features"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1220.509,"endTime":1224.614,"body":"features in both. Hartley pool"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1220.509,"endTime":1224.614,"body":"has 16.7% of their pupils excuse"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1224.679,"endTime":1228.457,"body":"a dog in the background. And so"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1224.679,"endTime":1228.457,"body":"for vocational engineering"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1228.522,"endTime":1232.561,"body":"qualification, so what's what's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1228.522,"endTime":1232.561,"body":"happening here, what's, what's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1232.626,"endTime":1236.47,"body":"going on those places. So if"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1232.626,"endTime":1236.47,"body":"you're part of it, you live in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1236.535,"endTime":1240.444,"body":"those places, you're part of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1236.535,"endTime":1240.444,"body":"those stats, then please do get"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1240.509,"endTime":1244.092,"body":"in touch, I'm probably just"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1240.509,"endTime":1244.092,"body":"going to have to pause in a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1244.157,"endTime":1248.261,"body":"moment, maybe go and deal with"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1244.157,"endTime":1248.261,"body":"the dog. Right back, the dog has"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1248.326,"endTime":1252.3,"body":"stopped barking, this is a dog"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1248.326,"endTime":1252.3,"body":"that earlier this morning, was"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1252.365,"endTime":1256.534,"body":"behaving like he was on death's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1252.365,"endTime":1256.534,"body":"door. So don't know what's going"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1256.599,"endTime":1260.573,"body":"on there. Anyway. So locations"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1256.599,"endTime":1260.573,"body":"are quite interesting in terms"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1260.638,"endTime":1264.352,"body":"of these regional differences"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1260.638,"endTime":1264.352,"body":"around the number of pupils"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1264.417,"endTime":1267.674,"body":"doing GCSE and A levels and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1264.417,"endTime":1267.674,"body":"level three vocational"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1267.739,"endTime":1271.387,"body":"engineering qualifications."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1267.739,"endTime":1271.387,"body":"There's, there's a converse,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1271.452,"endTime":1275.361,"body":"it's happening in London hole."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1271.452,"endTime":1275.361,"body":"And so where there isn't high"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1275.426,"endTime":1279.53,"body":"recruitment, so again, you know,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1275.426,"endTime":1279.53,"body":"works us what's going well, we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1279.595,"endTime":1283.113,"body":"need to ask well, what's going"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1279.595,"endTime":1283.113,"body":"on in other areas where"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1283.178,"endTime":1287.347,"body":"recruitment isn't happening. So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1283.178,"endTime":1287.347,"body":"if you're in any of those areas,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1287.413,"endTime":1291.321,"body":"and you've got some ideas or"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1287.413,"endTime":1291.321,"body":"some thoughts, then then please"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1291.386,"endTime":1295.49,"body":"do get in touch, I'd be really"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1291.386,"endTime":1295.49,"body":"interested to find out what your"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1295.556,"endTime":1299.529,"body":"thoughts are. So that's kind of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1295.556,"endTime":1299.529,"body":"the analysis of what it says."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1299.594,"endTime":1303.633,"body":"But what about the other side?"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1299.594,"endTime":1303.633,"body":"What didn't it tell us? As I've"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1303.699,"endTime":1307.933,"body":"said, already, it didn't tell us"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1303.699,"endTime":1307.933,"body":"anything about textiles in terms"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1307.998,"endTime":1311.516,"body":"of vocation, vocational"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1307.998,"endTime":1311.516,"body":"qualifications at level three,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1311.581,"endTime":1315.099,"body":"which I thought was a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1311.581,"endTime":1315.099,"body":"disappointment. And I thought it"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1315.164,"endTime":1319.138,"body":"sends out further messages that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1315.164,"endTime":1319.138,"body":"some, maybe some parts of the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1319.203,"endTime":1322.916,"body":"didn't deity community don't see"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1319.203,"endTime":1322.916,"body":"textiles. As part of the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1322.981,"endTime":1326.694,"body":"subject. I don't think that's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1322.981,"endTime":1326.694,"body":"really what's being said, I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1326.76,"endTime":1329.821,"body":"think there's a pragmatic"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1326.76,"endTime":1329.821,"body":"decision there around"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1329.887,"endTime":1333.73,"body":"identifying which qualifications"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1329.887,"endTime":1333.73,"body":"to look out for vocational"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1333.795,"endTime":1335.75,"body":"qualifications at level three."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1336.289,"endTime":1340.551,"body":"But I do think he's going to be"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1336.289,"endTime":1340.551,"body":"really careful about what about"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1340.619,"endTime":1344.679,"body":"what we're saying here. So I'm"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1340.619,"endTime":1344.679,"body":"gonna reach out to some of my"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1344.746,"endTime":1348.197,"body":"contacts in textiles,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1344.746,"endTime":1348.197,"body":"particularly higher education"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1348.265,"endTime":1352.392,"body":"and sort of see see what their"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1348.265,"endTime":1352.392,"body":"thoughts are, and and how they"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1352.46,"endTime":1356.519,"body":"would respond to a report like"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1352.46,"endTime":1356.519,"body":"this, and what qualifications"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1356.587,"endTime":1360.917,"body":"they would put into that basket"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1356.587,"endTime":1360.917,"body":"in terms of doing some analysis."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1360.985,"endTime":1365.112,"body":"Also, what it doesn't say, and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1360.985,"endTime":1365.112,"body":"quite rightly, why, why are we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1365.18,"endTime":1368.969,"body":"in this position? Now, there's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1365.18,"endTime":1368.969,"body":"been actually quite a lot"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1369.037,"endTime":1372.42,"body":"written about this, David"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1369.037,"endTime":1372.42,"body":"Spendlove, has written a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1372.487,"endTime":1376.209,"body":"fantastic chapter for the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1372.487,"endTime":1376.209,"body":"forthcoming debates in Design"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1376.276,"endTime":1380.268,"body":"Technology Education, which is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1376.276,"endTime":1380.268,"body":"going to come out in sort of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1380.336,"endTime":1384.666,"body":"October time, about about why he"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1380.336,"endTime":1384.666,"body":"thinks it's happened. And and I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1384.734,"endTime":1388.523,"body":"agree with David, I don't think"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1384.734,"endTime":1388.523,"body":"this has happened. By by"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1388.591,"endTime":1392.786,"body":"deliberate design, I think it's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1388.591,"endTime":1392.786,"body":"an unintended consequence of a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1392.853,"endTime":1396.778,"body":"perfect storm, unfortunately."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1392.853,"endTime":1396.778,"body":"And then, I think it doesn't"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1396.845,"endTime":1401.243,"body":"also explore what impact this is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1396.845,"endTime":1401.243,"body":"having on post 18 recruitment in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1401.311,"endTime":1404.897,"body":"terms of vocational jobs, and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1401.311,"endTime":1404.897,"body":"recruitment into higher"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1404.965,"endTime":1409.025,"body":"education courses related to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1404.965,"endTime":1409.025,"body":"design and technology. I've had"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1409.092,"endTime":1413.423,"body":"some conversation with Jim Dale"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1409.092,"endTime":1413.423,"body":"recently, from Product Design at"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1413.49,"endTime":1417.55,"body":"NTU. Talking about recruitment."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1413.49,"endTime":1417.55,"body":"And they haven't got a clear"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1417.618,"endTime":1421.948,"body":"picture at the moment. And it'd"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1417.618,"endTime":1421.948,"body":"be interesting to see what other"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1422.016,"endTime":1426.211,"body":"charities and organisations from"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1422.016,"endTime":1426.211,"body":"the creative industries might"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1426.278,"endTime":1430.27,"body":"be, might be seeing whether"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1426.278,"endTime":1430.27,"body":"there is an impact. I think one"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1430.338,"endTime":1434.533,"body":"of the premises that came out in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1430.338,"endTime":1434.533,"body":"the Schools Week article that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1434.601,"endTime":1438.728,"body":"Sam took it, who authored this"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1434.601,"endTime":1438.728,"body":"report wrote the headline that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1438.796,"endTime":1442.652,"body":"schools have put out there is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1438.796,"endTime":1442.652,"body":"that this this is this is a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1442.72,"endTime":1446.847,"body":"dreadful situation, because it"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1442.72,"endTime":1446.847,"body":"will have a negative impact on"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1446.915,"endTime":1450.839,"body":"meeting the government's agenda"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1446.915,"endTime":1450.839,"body":"about recruitment for STEM"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1450.907,"endTime":1455.237,"body":"careers. I think that's a really"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1450.907,"endTime":1455.237,"body":"dodgy speculation if we haven't"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1455.305,"endTime":1459.365,"body":"got any data. All right. This"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1455.305,"endTime":1459.365,"body":"report doesn't do that. And it"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1459.432,"endTime":1463.763,"body":"doesn't set out to do that, but"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1459.432,"endTime":1463.763,"body":"I think it's a very, I just want"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1463.83,"endTime":1467.89,"body":"to be cautious about that for a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1463.83,"endTime":1467.89,"body":"number of reasons is that we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1467.958,"endTime":1472.085,"body":"haven't got clear evidence or"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1467.958,"endTime":1472.085,"body":"unless we haven't I've not seen"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1472.153,"endTime":1476.212,"body":"it please correct me if I'm"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1472.153,"endTime":1476.212,"body":"wrong, that there is a causation"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1476.28,"endTime":1480.34,"body":"between low numbers, GCSE and A"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1476.28,"endTime":1480.34,"body":"Level D and T and vocational"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1480.407,"endTime":1483.858,"body":"qualifications and stem"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1480.407,"endTime":1483.858,"body":"recruitment. I haven't seen"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1483.926,"endTime":1487.85,"body":"that. Okay, a correlation, not a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1483.926,"endTime":1487.85,"body":"causation. Okay. And then"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1487.918,"endTime":1492.045,"body":"equally, if that is the drum"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1487.918,"endTime":1492.045,"body":"that is being banged in response"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1492.113,"endTime":1496.105,"body":"to this report, that again takes"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1492.113,"endTime":1496.105,"body":"us down the road that gees"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1496.172,"endTime":1499.894,"body":"design and technology is a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1496.172,"endTime":1499.894,"body":"vocational subject. And I've"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1499.961,"endTime":1503.953,"body":"said my bit over it already"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1499.961,"endTime":1503.953,"body":"about why I think we need to be"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1504.021,"endTime":1508.284,"body":"very careful when we say those"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1504.021,"endTime":1508.284,"body":"things. So that's my synopsis of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1508.351,"endTime":1512.682,"body":"what I think it didn't tell us."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1508.351,"endTime":1512.682,"body":"Maybe I'll go back to the report"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1512.749,"endTime":1516.944,"body":"and pick out some more. I think"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1512.749,"endTime":1516.944,"body":"what we have to think about is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1517.012,"endTime":1521.275,"body":"what's next? I think we have to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1517.012,"endTime":1521.275,"body":"accept two things. Right? If we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1521.342,"endTime":1525.673,"body":"want to kind of stop this change"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1521.342,"endTime":1525.673,"body":"and reverse this decline, is we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1525.74,"endTime":1529.868,"body":"have to first of accept, first"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1525.74,"endTime":1529.868,"body":"of all accept there will be no"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1529.935,"endTime":1534.198,"body":"more money from the government."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1529.935,"endTime":1534.198,"body":"Right? There might be bits, but"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1534.266,"endTime":1538.461,"body":"I don't think there's going to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1534.266,"endTime":1538.461,"body":"be anything significant. Why do"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1538.528,"endTime":1542.453,"body":"I think that or yesterday, our"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1538.528,"endTime":1542.453,"body":"Chancellor of the Exchequer"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1542.52,"endTime":1546.715,"body":"checker gave his spring review."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1542.52,"endTime":1546.715,"body":"And it wasn't great. And there"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1546.783,"endTime":1551.046,"body":"was no more money promised for"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1546.783,"endTime":1551.046,"body":"schools, you know, who are going"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1551.113,"endTime":1554.7,"body":"to be in more financial"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1551.113,"endTime":1554.7,"body":"difficulty, due to the rising"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1554.767,"endTime":1559.098,"body":"energy prices, I just don't see"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1554.767,"endTime":1559.098,"body":"big pots of money coming to kind"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1559.165,"endTime":1563.293,"body":"of resolve this, and I'm not"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1559.165,"endTime":1563.293,"body":"even sure big pots of money will"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1563.36,"endTime":1567.758,"body":"resolve this. I've spoken before"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1563.36,"endTime":1567.758,"body":"in previous episodes about where"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1567.826,"endTime":1571.886,"body":"with where there have been pots"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1567.826,"endTime":1571.886,"body":"of money, and whether things"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1571.953,"endTime":1576.081,"body":"have been sustainable. I'm not"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1571.953,"endTime":1576.081,"body":"always convinced. And then the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1576.148,"endTime":1580.14,"body":"other thing, and this is my"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1576.148,"endTime":1580.14,"body":"personal view, I have seen some"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1580.208,"endTime":1584.606,"body":"communication from the Secretary"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1580.208,"endTime":1584.606,"body":"of State for Education that says"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1584.674,"endTime":1588.463,"body":"this as well. Design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1584.674,"endTime":1588.463,"body":"Technology will not be added to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1588.53,"endTime":1592.522,"body":"the EBacc. I've written about"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1588.53,"endTime":1592.522,"body":"why it wasn't involved in the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1592.59,"endTime":1596.65,"body":"back in the first place. And I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1592.59,"endTime":1596.65,"body":"And that hasn't changed those"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1596.717,"endTime":1600.709,"body":"reasons for why D\u0026T wasn't in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1596.717,"endTime":1600.709,"body":"the back haven't changed. And"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1600.777,"endTime":1604.566,"body":"I'm just not convinced it's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1600.777,"endTime":1604.566,"body":"going to change. And I think"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1604.634,"endTime":1608.761,"body":"we're potentially wasting our"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1604.634,"endTime":1608.761,"body":"energy by trying to get that to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1608.829,"endTime":1613.159,"body":"happen. And I think if you speak"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1608.829,"endTime":1613.159,"body":"to people whose subjects are in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1613.227,"endTime":1617.083,"body":"the back, I'm not sure we want"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1613.227,"endTime":1617.083,"body":"that poison Chalice, to be"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1617.151,"endTime":1621.211,"body":"honest. So then what, what do I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1617.151,"endTime":1621.211,"body":"think is next? I think there"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1621.278,"endTime":1625.609,"body":"needs to be a change that takes"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1621.278,"endTime":1625.609,"body":"place at local level. And what I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1625.676,"endTime":1629.601,"body":"mean by local level, I don't"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1625.676,"endTime":1629.601,"body":"necessarily mean by regional,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1629.668,"endTime":1632.24,"body":"local level, I mean, not policy level,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1632.24,"endTime":1635.655,"body":"I mean, at practitioners,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1632.24,"endTime":1635.655,"body":"getting involved in reshaping"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1635.717,"endTime":1639.257,"body":"and redesigning design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1635.717,"endTime":1639.257,"body":"technology, to make sure it is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1639.319,"endTime":1643.169,"body":"an inclusive subject responding"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1639.319,"endTime":1643.169,"body":"to that data about free school"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1643.231,"endTime":1646.771,"body":"meals and ethnicity. That is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1643.231,"endTime":1646.771,"body":"part of a general education."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1646.833,"endTime":1650.434,"body":"Now, yeah, I am potentially"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1646.833,"endTime":1650.434,"body":"leading in here very nicely to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1650.496,"endTime":1653.912,"body":"the book that me and Eddie"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1650.496,"endTime":1653.912,"body":"Norman did about redesigning"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1653.974,"endTime":1657.7,"body":"design and technology to point"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1653.974,"endTime":1657.7,"body":"the home. And with, you know,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1657.762,"endTime":1661.55,"body":"some fantastic ways of thinking"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1657.762,"endTime":1661.55,"body":"about this. And why would you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1661.612,"endTime":1665.276,"body":"think about this from David"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1661.612,"endTime":1665.276,"body":"Spendlove. We talk in that book"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1665.338,"endTime":1668.816,"body":"about the fact that there have"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1665.338,"endTime":1668.816,"body":"been top down attempts at"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1668.878,"endTime":1672.666,"body":"changing things that have been"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1668.878,"endTime":1672.666,"body":"unsuccessful. So maybe we need"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1672.728,"endTime":1676.392,"body":"to think about a different way"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1672.728,"endTime":1676.392,"body":"that this comes from a local"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1676.454,"endTime":1680.304,"body":"level from a practitioner level."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1676.454,"endTime":1680.304,"body":"So again, I'm inviting people"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1680.366,"endTime":1683.657,"body":"to, to to get hold of that book,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1680.366,"endTime":1683.657,"body":"be involved in those"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1683.719,"endTime":1687.569,"body":"conversations. We're not We're"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1683.719,"endTime":1687.569,"body":"not suggesting how it should be"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1687.631,"endTime":1691.419,"body":"redesigned. We're saying, let's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1687.631,"endTime":1691.419,"body":"write a specification for the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1691.481,"endTime":1694.648,"body":"redesign of design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1691.481,"endTime":1694.648,"body":"technology. He wants to know"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1694.711,"endTime":1698.499,"body":"more about that. So what's my"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1694.711,"endTime":1698.499,"body":"newsletter, I'll put some links"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1698.561,"endTime":1702.411,"body":"in there where you can kind of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1698.561,"endTime":1702.411,"body":"keep in touch as we as we start"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1702.473,"endTime":1706.199,"body":"to move on that project a bit"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1702.473,"endTime":1706.199,"body":"more. We're hopefully gonna do"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1706.261,"endTime":1709.863,"body":"some events. 2022 23 we're"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1706.261,"endTime":1709.863,"body":"bringing practitioners together"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1709.925,"endTime":1713.961,"body":"with ideas about what, you know,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1709.925,"endTime":1713.961,"body":"redesigning DLT could look like,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1714.023,"endTime":1718.06,"body":"I think one of the ways we could"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1714.023,"endTime":1718.06,"body":"look at it is, again, what David"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1718.122,"endTime":1721.661,"body":"Spendlove talks about, about"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1718.122,"endTime":1721.661,"body":"design thinking. And I had a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1721.723,"endTime":1724.953,"body":"great conversation this week"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1721.723,"endTime":1724.953,"body":"with Derek Jones Maupin"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1725.015,"endTime":1728.803,"body":"University talking about design"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1725.015,"endTime":1728.803,"body":"thinking, and about what that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1728.865,"endTime":1732.466,"body":"means in relationship to design"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1728.865,"endTime":1732.466,"body":"and technology. So I think"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1732.529,"endTime":1736.254,"body":"that's that's, that's part of it"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1732.529,"endTime":1736.254,"body":"is, is getting some clarity"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1736.317,"endTime":1739.67,"body":"amongst the community. I don't"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1736.317,"endTime":1739.67,"body":"think we'll ever get an"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1739.732,"endTime":1743.706,"body":"agreement, but we'll get clarity"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1739.732,"endTime":1743.706,"body":"about it. And then I also think"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1743.768,"endTime":1747.494,"body":"that we need to continue the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1743.768,"endTime":1747.494,"body":"debates and demonstrate what we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1747.556,"endTime":1750.91,"body":"understand the by design"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1747.556,"endTime":1750.91,"body":"knowledge. So one of the ways"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1750.972,"endTime":1754.822,"body":"that that didn t departments are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1750.972,"endTime":1754.822,"body":"kind of under attack, is that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1754.884,"endTime":1758.672,"body":"there is a greater direction,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1754.884,"endTime":1758.672,"body":"whether we like it or not about"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1758.734,"endTime":1762.274,"body":"knowledge rich, and knowledge"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1758.734,"endTime":1762.274,"body":"led curriculum. And, and we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1762.336,"endTime":1765.627,"body":"don't talk about this"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1762.336,"endTime":1765.627,"body":"sufficiently, I think in design"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1765.689,"endTime":1769.291,"body":"and technology, I'm having"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1765.689,"endTime":1769.291,"body":"conversations with people about"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1769.353,"endTime":1772.83,"body":"what this looks like. And I'm"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1769.353,"endTime":1772.83,"body":"going to be producing some"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1772.893,"endTime":1776.681,"body":"podcasts in the next couple of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1772.893,"endTime":1776.681,"body":"months about this. But I think"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1776.743,"endTime":1780.531,"body":"we need to have conversations"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1776.743,"endTime":1780.531,"body":"within the community about what"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1780.593,"endTime":1784.257,"body":"this is what design knowledge"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1780.593,"endTime":1784.257,"body":"means for D and T, not taking"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1784.319,"endTime":1788.231,"body":"what an interpretation is from"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1784.319,"endTime":1788.231,"body":"history, or geography, or modern"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1788.293,"endTime":1792.267,"body":"foreign languages and trying to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1788.293,"endTime":1792.267,"body":"make D\u0026T fit to that. Okay, so I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1792.329,"endTime":1796.242,"body":"think there's some things that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1792.329,"endTime":1796.242,"body":"we need to own about our subject"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1796.304,"endTime":1799.657,"body":"as practitioners, and that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1796.304,"endTime":1799.657,"body":"teachers can own about that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1799.719,"endTime":1803.445,"body":"which is about design thinking"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1799.719,"endTime":1803.445,"body":"and design knowledge and what"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1803.507,"endTime":1806.86,"body":"the essence of the subject is."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1803.507,"endTime":1806.86,"body":"Okay. And you know, I'm"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1806.923,"endTime":1810.586,"body":"deliberately moving away from"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1806.923,"endTime":1810.586,"body":"that vacation and focus on an"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1810.648,"endTime":1814.374,"body":"inclusive general education. I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1810.648,"endTime":1814.374,"body":"think we also clearly need to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1814.436,"endTime":1817.852,"body":"articulate the value of the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1814.436,"endTime":1817.852,"body":"subject and demonstrate the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1817.914,"endTime":1821.888,"body":"value of the subject. Okay, I've"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1817.914,"endTime":1821.888,"body":"banged my usual drum about the,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1821.95,"endTime":1825.552,"body":"the, the potential negatives of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1821.95,"endTime":1825.552,"body":"focusing on the vocational"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1825.614,"endTime":1829.278,"body":"aspect of the subject. And I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1825.614,"endTime":1829.278,"body":"think when you think about how"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1829.34,"endTime":1833.19,"body":"we demonstrate that visually,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1829.34,"endTime":1833.19,"body":"I've taught in previous episodes"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1833.252,"endTime":1837.102,"body":"about how we portray the subject"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1833.252,"endTime":1837.102,"body":"visually on social media, and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1837.165,"endTime":1840.953,"body":"how we talk about it and how we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1837.165,"endTime":1840.953,"body":"present it. And so I think we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1841.015,"endTime":1844.989,"body":"need to really think and reflect"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1841.015,"endTime":1844.989,"body":"as a community about what we do"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1845.051,"endTime":1848.839,"body":"there. And finally, for those of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1845.051,"endTime":1848.839,"body":"you who are listening, don't"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1848.901,"endTime":1852.627,"body":"just leave this to others. I'm"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1848.901,"endTime":1852.627,"body":"not saying you do leave it to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1852.689,"endTime":1856.601,"body":"those people who are involved in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1852.689,"endTime":1856.601,"body":"the subject practitioners. You"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1856.663,"endTime":1860.389,"body":"know, you have busy lives, you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1856.663,"endTime":1860.389,"body":"have the you are at the chalk"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1860.451,"endTime":1863.805,"body":"face the coalface of the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1860.451,"endTime":1863.805,"body":"pressures of what schools are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1863.867,"endTime":1867.407,"body":"demanding, the way they're"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1863.867,"endTime":1867.407,"body":"responding to national agenda."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1867.469,"endTime":1871.381,"body":"But there are ways to join and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1867.469,"endTime":1871.381,"body":"be involved in the conversation."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1871.443,"endTime":1875.045,"body":"And it's not me, it's not"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1871.443,"endTime":1875.045,"body":"people. It's not people like me,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1875.107,"endTime":1878.833,"body":"like David spend level Eddie"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1875.107,"endTime":1878.833,"body":"Norman, Matt McLean, Sarah, who"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1878.895,"endTime":1882.621,"body":"are saying, This is what it"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1878.895,"endTime":1882.621,"body":"should be like, I'm not claiming"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1882.683,"endTime":1886.347,"body":"that at all. I don't know what"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1882.683,"endTime":1886.347,"body":"it should be, like, I'm just"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1886.409,"endTime":1890.01,"body":"saying, you know, join with us"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1886.409,"endTime":1890.01,"body":"explore these conversations"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1890.072,"endTime":1893.55,"body":"about what is design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1890.072,"endTime":1893.55,"body":"technology? And how do we shape"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1893.612,"endTime":1896.903,"body":"that in response to this"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1893.612,"endTime":1896.903,"body":"decline, but also in what we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1896.965,"endTime":1900.381,"body":"believe to be the value of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1896.965,"endTime":1900.381,"body":"design and technology for an"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1900.443,"endTime":1904.293,"body":"inclusive and general education."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1900.443,"endTime":1904.293,"body":"So thanks for listening. I've"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1904.355,"endTime":1908.267,"body":"kind of covered a lot of ground"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1904.355,"endTime":1908.267,"body":"there. And I'm sure people will"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1908.329,"endTime":1912.117,"body":"agree and disagree with what I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1908.329,"endTime":1912.117,"body":"have to say, that's absolutely"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1912.18,"endTime":1915.409,"body":"fine. That this is these are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1912.18,"endTime":1915.409,"body":"this is my analysis, my"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1915.471,"endTime":1917.21,"body":"thoughts, my perception, I'm"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1917.51,"endTime":1921.08,"body":"coming from a particular stance,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1917.51,"endTime":1921.08,"body":"I'm expecting that people will"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1921.32,"endTime":1924.59,"body":"question and challenge, do read"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1921.32,"endTime":1924.59,"body":"the report, you'll have"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1924.59,"endTime":1927.17,"body":"different views about this and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1924.59,"endTime":1927.17,"body":"different thoughts about how we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1927.17,"endTime":1930.65,"body":"need to respond. I suppose I'm"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1927.17,"endTime":1930.65,"body":"putting this out there, because"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1930.65,"endTime":1933.95,"body":"I'm thinking we can't, I don't"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1930.65,"endTime":1933.95,"body":"want to leave this to others. We"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1933.95,"endTime":1937.07,"body":"need to be part of this"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1933.95,"endTime":1937.07,"body":"together. In terms of developing"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1937.07,"endTime":1941.27,"body":"the subject. If you do have"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1937.07,"endTime":1941.27,"body":"thoughts, you can send me an"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1941.27,"endTime":1944.18,"body":"email. Or you can find me on"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1941.27,"endTime":1944.18,"body":"social media. I'll put links in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1944.18,"endTime":1947.81,"body":"the show notes. As usual. If you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1944.18,"endTime":1947.81,"body":"don't want to write, you can"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1947.81,"endTime":1950.78,"body":"leave me a message on SpeakPipe."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1947.81,"endTime":1950.78,"body":"Again, there'll be a link in the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1950.78,"endTime":1954.17,"body":"show notes for that. We can just"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1950.78,"endTime":1954.17,"body":"leave me a voicemail message and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1954.2,"endTime":1957.59,"body":"I'll check in with your first"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1954.2,"endTime":1957.59,"body":"but I'll play that at a future"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1957.59,"endTime":1961.64,"body":"episode and share your thoughts."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1957.59,"endTime":1961.64,"body":"And I'm always open to people"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1961.64,"endTime":1965.69,"body":"coming on the podcasts and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1961.64,"endTime":1965.69,"body":"having discussions. So thanks"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1965.69,"endTime":1970.22,"body":"taking the time to listen. And"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1965.69,"endTime":1970.22,"body":"as ever, come back to me if"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1970.22,"endTime":1971.63,"body":"you've got any thoughts or"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1970.22,"endTime":1971.63,"body":"opinions"}]}