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So where can"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2351.583,"endTime":2353.02,"body":"people find you online?"},{"speaker":"Tony Ryan","startTime":2353.02,"endTime":2356.561,"body":"I'm on LinkedIn. So"},{"speaker":"Tony Ryan","startTime":2353.02,"endTime":2356.561,"body":"if you're on LinkedIn, that's"},{"speaker":"Tony Ryan","startTime":2356.633,"endTime":2360.536,"body":"probably where I post most."},{"speaker":"Tony Ryan","startTime":2356.633,"endTime":2360.536,"body":"Like, I'm also on Twitter."},{"speaker":"Tony Ryan","startTime":2360.608,"endTime":2365.017,"body":"There's tech Ryan on Twitter."},{"speaker":"Tony Ryan","startTime":2360.608,"endTime":2365.017,"body":"And then you will get me on the"},{"speaker":"Tony Ryan","startTime":2365.089,"endTime":2369.787,"body":"if you go to info at on the data"},{"speaker":"Tony Ryan","startTime":2365.089,"endTime":2369.787,"body":"website. That will come to me as"},{"speaker":"Tony Ryan","startTime":2369.859,"endTime":2373.69,"body":"well. So you can get me you can"},{"speaker":"Tony Ryan","startTime":2369.859,"endTime":2373.69,"body":"get me in three ways."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2375.25,"endTime":2377.564,"body":"Well, it's been"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2375.25,"endTime":2377.564,"body":"good to talk you this morning,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2377.614,"endTime":2380.683,"body":"Tony. I've really enjoyed that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2377.614,"endTime":2380.683,"body":"and really enjoyed having kind"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2380.733,"endTime":2383.601,"body":"of like the the report in the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2380.733,"endTime":2383.601,"body":"round, if that makes sense,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2383.651,"endTime":2386.72,"body":"rather than just a document. And"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2383.651,"endTime":2386.72,"body":"it's exciting to hear what's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2386.77,"endTime":2389.89,"body":"going to happen next. So thanks"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2386.77,"endTime":2389.89,"body":"very much for your time today."},{"speaker":"Tony Ryan","startTime":2389.89,"endTime":2391.799,"body":"Thanks for inviting"},{"speaker":"Tony Ryan","startTime":2389.89,"endTime":2391.799,"body":"me on. I really appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Tony Ryan","startTime":2391.837,"endTime":2392.41,"body":"Thanks, Alison."}]}