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It's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2213.7,"endTime":2219.61,"body":"not. It's not actual, of course."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2213.7,"endTime":2219.61,"body":"Right. And you're lucky it's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2219.61,"endTime":2223.24,"body":"good to talk to you drew Thanks"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2219.61,"endTime":2223.24,"body":"ever so much. Thank you"}]}