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And if you"},{"startTime":1316.73,"endTime":1320.03,"body":"want to be more involved, do let"},{"startTime":1316.73,"endTime":1320.03,"body":"me know. Hope you found that"},{"startTime":1320.03,"endTime":1322.64,"body":"interesting. I hope that's kind"},{"startTime":1320.03,"endTime":1322.64,"body":"of got your brain thinking about"},{"startTime":1323.33,"endTime":1326.81,"body":"do we need to redesign deity?"},{"startTime":1323.33,"endTime":1326.81,"body":"How could we do these questions"},{"startTime":1326.81,"endTime":1331.01,"body":"make sense? Do I have an answer?"},{"startTime":1326.81,"endTime":1331.01,"body":"Do I have a debate? It'd be"},{"startTime":1331.01,"endTime":1333.77,"body":"great to hear from you. Be"},{"startTime":1331.01,"endTime":1333.77,"body":"grateful to have you involved."},{"startTime":1334.82,"endTime":1338.15,"body":"You can find me on social media."},{"startTime":1334.82,"endTime":1338.15,"body":"Do let me know what you think"},{"startTime":1338.3,"endTime":1341.24,"body":"and listen out for the next two"},{"startTime":1338.3,"endTime":1341.24,"body":"episodes. Thanks for listening"}]}