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It's a fabulous"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":991.64,"endTime":994.677,"body":"exhibition. It's about the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":994.738,"endTime":998.322,"body":"designer Althea McNish. She's a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":994.738,"endTime":998.322,"body":"designer of colour. As Rose"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":998.383,"endTime":1001.602,"body":"pointed out to me, she doesn't"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":998.383,"endTime":1001.602,"body":"appear in any designer"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1001.663,"endTime":1005.246,"body":"technology textbooks. But she"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1001.663,"endTime":1005.246,"body":"has done some fantastic work."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1005.307,"endTime":1009.195,"body":"And so Rose has co created this"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1005.307,"endTime":1009.195,"body":"exhibition. It's been in London,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1009.255,"endTime":1012.839,"body":"it's now in Manchester. It's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1009.255,"endTime":1012.839,"body":"exhibiting her work. It's just"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1012.9,"endTime":1016.848,"body":"fantastic. You know, I've talked"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1012.9,"endTime":1016.848,"body":"on the podcast in the past about"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1016.909,"endTime":1019.764,"body":"decolonizing, the D\u0026T"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1016.909,"endTime":1019.764,"body":"curriculum, we've got the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1019.824,"endTime":1023.347,"body":"debates book coming out in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1019.824,"endTime":1023.347,"body":"December, where we do some work"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1023.408,"endTime":1027.174,"body":"in there about how do we do race"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1023.408,"endTime":1027.174,"body":"in D\u0026T. So it was great to go"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1027.235,"endTime":1031.001,"body":"along and support rose, it was"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1027.235,"endTime":1031.001,"body":"great to see the exhibition. 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Those"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1042.238,"endTime":1045.639,"body":"my two plugs as I end the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1042.238,"endTime":1045.639,"body":"podcast, but also I'm going to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1045.7,"endTime":1049.162,"body":"come back to my main focus of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1045.7,"endTime":1049.162,"body":"the podcast which is Do you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1049.223,"endTime":1052.685,"body":"agree whether these are the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1049.223,"endTime":1052.685,"body":"contentious questions? Thanks"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1052.746,"endTime":1056.391,"body":"for listening. There'll be a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1052.746,"endTime":1056.391,"body":"third episode coming out in two"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1056.451,"endTime":1057.12,"body":"weeks time."}]}