{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":0.0,"endTime":2.16,"body":"This week's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":0.0,"endTime":2.16,"body":"episode is the final of the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2.16,"endTime":4.62,"body":"three parts about the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2.16,"endTime":4.62,"body":"redesigning Design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":4.62,"endTime":9.54,"body":"Technology Project, which I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":4.62,"endTime":9.54,"body":"launched in Episode 109. I'm"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":9.54,"endTime":13.32,"body":"currently sharing some questions"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":9.54,"endTime":13.32,"body":"that I want your views on"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":13.35,"endTime":16.68,"body":"whether these are the questions"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":13.35,"endTime":16.68,"body":"that we need to ask if we're"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":16.68,"endTime":19.98,"body":"going to redesign, design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":16.68,"endTime":19.98,"body":"technology. So I'm into the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":19.98,"endTime":23.22,"body":"final stage, I've got some"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":19.98,"endTime":23.22,"body":"questions this week that are all"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":23.22,"endTime":27.51,"body":"about learning and assessment."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":23.22,"endTime":27.51,"body":"The previous two episodes have"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":27.51,"endTime":31.44,"body":"been about the nature of design"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":27.51,"endTime":31.44,"body":"and technology, and content."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":32.4,"endTime":36.18,"body":"So just to remind you, I'm not"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":32.4,"endTime":36.18,"body":"asking you to answer the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":36.18,"endTime":40.05,"body":"questions just yet, in terms of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":36.18,"endTime":40.05,"body":"how you respond to the survey"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":40.2,"endTime":42.72,"body":"that I've got linked to these"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":40.2,"endTime":42.72,"body":"episodes, there will be an"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":42.72,"endTime":46.02,"body":"opportunity for you to do that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":42.72,"endTime":46.02,"body":"at a later date. What I'm really"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":46.02,"endTime":49.83,"body":"interested in is whether you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":46.02,"endTime":49.83,"body":"think these questions even need"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":49.83,"endTime":53.76,"body":"to be debated. Are they the key"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":49.83,"endTime":53.76,"body":"issues? And do you agree with"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":53.76,"endTime":57.99,"body":"them, or not in terms of that we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":53.76,"endTime":57.99,"body":"need to sort of as a community,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":58.05,"endTime":61.26,"body":"talk them out and get some"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":58.05,"endTime":61.26,"body":"answers. And I'm gonna come back"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":61.26,"endTime":64.2,"body":"to that at the end. So as I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":61.26,"endTime":64.2,"body":"said, this is the third and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":64.2,"endTime":67.38,"body":"final episode about this project"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":64.2,"endTime":67.38,"body":"redesigning design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":67.38,"endTime":70.86,"body":"technology. Or rather, just to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":67.38,"endTime":70.86,"body":"rephrase, it's the third and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":70.86,"endTime":74.01,"body":"final episode of this stage of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":70.86,"endTime":74.01,"body":"the project, there's about"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":74.01,"endTime":77.22,"body":"another three or four stages to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":74.01,"endTime":77.22,"body":"go through, which I'll be"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":77.22,"endTime":79.32,"body":"posting about as they come"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":77.22,"endTime":79.32,"body":"online."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":80.8,"endTime":84.49,"body":"So the third and final section"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":80.8,"endTime":84.49,"body":"is all about learning and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":84.49,"endTime":87.79,"body":"assessments. And there are I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":84.49,"endTime":87.79,"body":"can't remember how many"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":87.79,"endTime":91.36,"body":"questions in this one, there are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":87.79,"endTime":91.36,"body":"eight questions. So the first"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":91.36,"endTime":95.83,"body":"one is, do you agree that we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":91.36,"endTime":95.83,"body":"need to debate this question? Do"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":95.83,"endTime":100.18,"body":"children need to be skillful"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":95.83,"endTime":100.18,"body":"makers and modellers and the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":100.18,"endTime":104.17,"body":"emphasis there is on children?"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":100.18,"endTime":104.17,"body":"So this is not about whether"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":104.17,"endTime":106.63,"body":"these children need to be able"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":104.17,"endTime":106.63,"body":"to do this when they finish"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":106.63,"endTime":110.53,"body":"school or later on in life? It's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":106.63,"endTime":110.53,"body":"do they need to be able to do"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":110.53,"endTime":112.48,"body":"it. Now? This is why we're"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":110.53,"endTime":112.48,"body":"thinking about that this is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":112.48,"endTime":116.44,"body":"about learning. Do children need"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":112.48,"endTime":116.44,"body":"to be skillful makers? And"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":116.44,"endTime":120.7,"body":"modellers? And then the next"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":116.44,"endTime":120.7,"body":"question, do you think this one"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":120.7,"endTime":123.43,"body":"should be debated? Or do we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":120.7,"endTime":123.43,"body":"already have an answer to it?"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":123.67,"endTime":129.97,"body":"Should children make what they"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":123.67,"endTime":129.97,"body":"design? Crikey, my mind is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":129.97,"endTime":132.73,"body":"spinning off in all sorts of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":129.97,"endTime":132.73,"body":"directions about that one? I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":132.73,"endTime":136.54,"body":"want to answer that question."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":132.73,"endTime":136.54,"body":"But I think I do think that this"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":136.54,"endTime":139.33,"body":"is a question that we need to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":136.54,"endTime":139.33,"body":"debate that there are lots of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":139.33,"endTime":142.45,"body":"different viewpoints that aren't"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":139.33,"endTime":142.45,"body":"always heard, and some are heard"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":142.45,"endTime":145.06,"body":"more than others. But do you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":142.45,"endTime":145.06,"body":"think we need to debate this"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":145.06,"endTime":150.73,"body":"question? Should children make"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":145.06,"endTime":150.73,"body":"what they design? Thirdly, in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":150.73,"endTime":155.08,"body":"this section, can you start a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":150.73,"endTime":155.08,"body":"D\u0026T project without knowing"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":155.11,"endTime":160.3,"body":"anything? Now, I've recently"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":155.11,"endTime":160.3,"body":"been involved in some debates"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":160.3,"endTime":163.63,"body":"about this, and different people"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":160.3,"endTime":163.63,"body":"do have different views. So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":163.63,"endTime":166.39,"body":"again, I think this is a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":163.63,"endTime":166.39,"body":"question that we need to talk"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":166.39,"endTime":170.62,"body":"about and discuss as a designer"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":166.39,"endTime":170.62,"body":"technology community. This third"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":170.62,"endTime":174.58,"body":"question, can you start a DMT"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":170.62,"endTime":174.58,"body":"project without knowing"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":174.61,"endTime":177.94,"body":"anything? I deliberately kind of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":174.61,"endTime":177.94,"body":"quite a loaded in terms of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":177.94,"endTime":181.63,"body":"putting the word anything at the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":177.94,"endTime":181.63,"body":"end. But something we need to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":181.63,"endTime":186.28,"body":"think about maybe number four,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":181.63,"endTime":186.28,"body":"should children be taught"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":186.28,"endTime":190.36,"body":"cognitive modelling skills? Now"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":186.28,"endTime":190.36,"body":"what I mean by cognitive"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":190.36,"endTime":193.51,"body":"modelling skills, this is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":190.36,"endTime":193.51,"body":"something from Eddie Norman, who"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":193.51,"endTime":197.62,"body":"talks about work by Bruce"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":193.51,"endTime":197.62,"body":"Archer, Ken Baynes and Phil"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":197.62,"endTime":201.07,"body":"Roberts, who talks about"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":197.62,"endTime":201.07,"body":"cognitive modelling being the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":201.07,"endTime":206.11,"body":"modelling in the mind's eye? And"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":201.07,"endTime":206.11,"body":"it goes on to say that designers"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":206.11,"endTime":209.38,"body":"can imagine and manipulate"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":206.11,"endTime":209.38,"body":"designs in their minds without"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":209.38,"endTime":214.72,"body":"externalising them at all. And"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":209.38,"endTime":214.72,"body":"do we actually need to teach"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":214.72,"endTime":217.39,"body":"children how to do this? Or is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":214.72,"endTime":217.39,"body":"this something that we can just"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":217.39,"endTime":223.75,"body":"assume that they can do? And"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":217.39,"endTime":223.75,"body":"then the fifth question, do we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":223.75,"endTime":226.81,"body":"teach skills in design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":223.75,"endTime":226.81,"body":"technology? And this actually"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":226.81,"endTime":230.77,"body":"has two parts? And what do we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":226.81,"endTime":230.77,"body":"actually mean by skills in DMT?"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":231.16,"endTime":234.01,"body":"I think it's a word that's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":231.16,"endTime":234.01,"body":"bandied around quite a lot, not"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":234.01,"endTime":236.38,"body":"just in design and technology,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":234.01,"endTime":236.38,"body":"but in lots of different places"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":236.38,"endTime":240.49,"body":"and lots of different subjects."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":236.38,"endTime":240.49,"body":"You know, and it came out in my"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":240.49,"endTime":243.64,"body":"research. So again, this is why"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":240.49,"endTime":243.64,"body":"I think it's an important"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":243.64,"endTime":246.64,"body":"question. Do you agree that's an"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":243.64,"endTime":246.64,"body":"important question that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":246.64,"endTime":250.99,"body":"something that we do need to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":246.64,"endTime":250.99,"body":"discuss? Or is it a question"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":250.99,"endTime":253.81,"body":"that we don't need? That?"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":250.99,"endTime":253.81,"body":"Actually, there's an answer? And"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":253.81,"endTime":256.15,"body":"so we can kind of design a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":253.81,"endTime":256.15,"body":"curriculum already? Because we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":256.15,"endTime":259.21,"body":"know what the answer is to this"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":256.15,"endTime":259.21,"body":"question. I don't know. So I'm"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":259.21,"endTime":262.75,"body":"welcoming your thoughts in the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":259.21,"endTime":262.75,"body":"fifth question. I think,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":262.75,"endTime":265.99,"body":"actually, on the sixth question,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":262.75,"endTime":265.99,"body":"I'm losing count. Do you need a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":265.99,"endTime":270.01,"body":"workshop in design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":265.99,"endTime":270.01,"body":"technology? And I'm, and then"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":270.01,"endTime":272.44,"body":"I've actually asked it, or any"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":270.01,"endTime":272.44,"body":"specialist space, because I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":272.44,"endTime":276.49,"body":"think the word workshop is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":272.44,"endTime":276.49,"body":"loaded. And so specialist space"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":276.49,"endTime":280.51,"body":"covers more around design"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":276.49,"endTime":280.51,"body":"studios, as well as spaces where"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":280.51,"endTime":283.6,"body":"we can make things regardless of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":280.51,"endTime":283.6,"body":"what material so do we actually"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":283.6,"endTime":288.52,"body":"need that in design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":283.6,"endTime":288.52,"body":"technology? Yeah, that's, you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":288.52,"endTime":291.31,"body":"know, that's, again, another"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":288.52,"endTime":291.31,"body":"loaded question. If we don't,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":291.31,"endTime":293.83,"body":"then what does that mean for"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":291.31,"endTime":293.83,"body":"making? What does that mean for"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":293.83,"endTime":297.19,"body":"modelling? I don't know. So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":293.83,"endTime":297.19,"body":"maybe, but do we need to debate"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":297.19,"endTime":300.34,"body":"what we mean by this workshop or"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":297.19,"endTime":300.34,"body":"specialist space? Do you think"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":300.34,"endTime":303.13,"body":"it follows on from from the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":300.34,"endTime":303.13,"body":"other questions about? Should"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":303.13,"endTime":305.8,"body":"children make what they designed"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":303.13,"endTime":305.8,"body":"and if we skill filmmakers and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":305.8,"endTime":310.48,"body":"modellers, but the space where"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":305.8,"endTime":310.48,"body":"the subject is taught, there are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":310.48,"endTime":313.0,"body":"lots of assumptions made, maybe"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":310.48,"endTime":313.0,"body":"we just kind of go along with"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":313.0,"endTime":317.08,"body":"things. I know some people have"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":313.0,"endTime":317.08,"body":"come up with different solutions"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":317.08,"endTime":321.28,"body":"to the spaces. And Dave Perry"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":317.08,"endTime":321.28,"body":"clip system has done quite a lot"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":321.28,"endTime":324.31,"body":"of work around this. But has"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":321.28,"endTime":324.31,"body":"this really been debated?"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":324.64,"endTime":327.64,"body":"Amongst the DNC teachers"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":324.64,"endTime":327.64,"body":"themselves? You know, those of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":327.64,"endTime":330.55,"body":"you who are listening who"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":327.64,"endTime":330.55,"body":"practices subject day in day"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":330.55,"endTime":335.77,"body":"out? Then second to last"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":330.55,"endTime":335.77,"body":"question, is the outcome more"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":335.77,"endTime":340.48,"body":"important than the process? And"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":335.77,"endTime":340.48,"body":"again, this links to a bit about"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":340.48,"endTime":344.74,"body":"this idea about a finished"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":340.48,"endTime":344.74,"body":"product or prototype? But is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":344.74,"endTime":347.89,"body":"that what we're driven by, in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":344.74,"endTime":347.89,"body":"pupils learning and designing"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":347.89,"endTime":351.46,"body":"technology? Or is it the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":347.89,"endTime":351.46,"body":"process? Or do we know what the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":351.46,"endTime":353.5,"body":"answer to that question? So I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":351.46,"endTime":353.5,"body":"think we don't need to debate"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":353.5,"endTime":357.7,"body":"it. And then the final question"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":353.5,"endTime":357.7,"body":"is about assessment. Can we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":357.73,"endTime":361.39,"body":"assess design? Now I know some"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":357.73,"endTime":361.39,"body":"people listening to this have"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":361.39,"endTime":364.42,"body":"been involved in leading on"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":361.39,"endTime":364.42,"body":"assessment for design, and they"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":364.42,"endTime":368.98,"body":"will say yes, but others might"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":364.42,"endTime":368.98,"body":"say, are we assessing design? Or"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":368.98,"endTime":372.16,"body":"are we assessing the outcome of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":368.98,"endTime":372.16,"body":"design? And what do we mean by"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":372.16,"endTime":373.78,"body":"that? And in what ways can we do"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":372.16,"endTime":373.78,"body":"that?"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":374.74,"endTime":378.409,"body":"So those are the six questions,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":374.74,"endTime":378.409,"body":"just checking again, that is six"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":378.467,"endTime":382.136,"body":"questions. I think it's eight. I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":378.467,"endTime":382.136,"body":"don't know. Mine's a bit addled"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":382.194,"endTime":385.577,"body":"today. Sorry about that. Those"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":382.194,"endTime":385.577,"body":"are the eight questions that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":385.634,"endTime":388.903,"body":"I've put in this section for"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":385.634,"endTime":388.903,"body":"learning and assessment. I'm"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":388.96,"endTime":392.572,"body":"really interested in whether you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":388.96,"endTime":392.572,"body":"think these are questions that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":392.63,"endTime":396.07,"body":"we need to answer or not answer."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":392.63,"endTime":396.07,"body":"And now you've heard all 26"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":396.127,"endTime":398.88,"body":"questions over the three"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":396.127,"endTime":398.88,"body":"episodes? Are there any"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":398.937,"endTime":402.55,"body":"questions that are missing? So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":398.937,"endTime":402.55,"body":"if you go to the survey, there's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":402.607,"endTime":406.219,"body":"a link in the show notes. If you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":402.607,"endTime":406.219,"body":"go to the survey, there's some"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":406.277,"endTime":409.66,"body":"questions there that I really"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":406.277,"endTime":409.66,"body":"like your responses to, which"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":409.717,"endTime":413.33,"body":"ones of these questions these 26"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":409.717,"endTime":413.33,"body":"questions did you particularly"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":413.387,"endTime":417.057,"body":"agree with? And why? Were there"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":413.387,"endTime":417.057,"body":"any issues or questions that you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":417.114,"endTime":420.497,"body":"didn't agree with? Why? And do"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":417.114,"endTime":420.497,"body":"you think that we missed any"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":420.554,"endTime":424.11,"body":"issues or questions? So that's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":420.554,"endTime":424.11,"body":"where we're at at the moment is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":424.167,"endTime":427.55,"body":"trying to find out? Before we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":424.167,"endTime":427.55,"body":"begin redesigning, design and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":427.607,"endTime":430.933,"body":"technology, one of the things"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":427.607,"endTime":430.933,"body":"that we need to resolve as a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":430.99,"endTime":434.66,"body":"community? And have we these are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":430.99,"endTime":434.66,"body":"the questions that me and Eddie"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":434.718,"endTime":438.273,"body":"Norman have come up with? Do you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":434.718,"endTime":438.273,"body":"agree with them? So those are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":438.33,"endTime":441.942,"body":"for you to think about? There's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":438.33,"endTime":441.942,"body":"a link in the show notes to the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":442.0,"endTime":445.555,"body":"survey, and also a link to the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":442.0,"endTime":445.555,"body":"Dropbox document where actually"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":445.612,"endTime":449.225,"body":"all the questions are listed. So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":445.612,"endTime":449.225,"body":"you don't have to have written"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":449.282,"endTime":451.06,"body":"them all down as I was talking."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":452.34,"endTime":455.034,"body":"There's also a space on the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":452.34,"endTime":455.034,"body":"survey if you want to be"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":455.086,"endTime":458.351,"body":"involved in the next part of the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":455.086,"endTime":458.351,"body":"project in terms of the expert"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":458.403,"endTime":461.409,"body":"panel. So once we've gone"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":458.403,"endTime":461.409,"body":"through all the responses to the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":461.461,"endTime":464.726,"body":"survey, and the questions will"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":461.461,"endTime":464.726,"body":"come out, again, reformatted and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":464.777,"endTime":467.783,"body":"whether we styled whether we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":464.777,"endTime":467.783,"body":"think they're right. And then"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":467.835,"endTime":470.582,"body":"there's also an opportunity"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":467.835,"endTime":470.582,"body":"there, if you want to get"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":470.634,"endTime":473.743,"body":"involved in the project team"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":470.634,"endTime":473.743,"body":"that's actually in managing the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":473.795,"endTime":476.749,"body":"project running the project,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":473.795,"endTime":476.749,"body":"leading the project, there's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":476.801,"endTime":480.066,"body":"space for you to indicate that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":476.801,"endTime":480.066,"body":"as well. Okay. I've just emailed"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":480.118,"endTime":483.279,"body":"today, some people who said that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":480.118,"endTime":483.279,"body":"they want to be part of that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":483.331,"endTime":486.285,"body":"project team. So ask them to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":483.331,"endTime":486.285,"body":"promote the survey. And so I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":486.337,"endTime":489.291,"body":"know some people are thinking"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":486.337,"endTime":489.291,"body":"about getting involved, you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":489.342,"endTime":492.452,"body":"know, you can get involved as"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":489.342,"endTime":492.452,"body":"much or as little as you like,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":492.504,"endTime":494.94,"body":"there's lots of different ways"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":492.504,"endTime":494.94,"body":"you can do that."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":494.94,"endTime":497.786,"body":"One of the ways you might want"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":494.94,"endTime":497.786,"body":"to do this, and I've been"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":497.837,"endTime":501.039,"body":"speaking to some people in the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":497.837,"endTime":501.039,"body":"last week or so some people want"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":501.09,"endTime":504.14,"body":"to take these questions and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":501.09,"endTime":504.14,"body":"debate them in their departments"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":504.191,"endTime":507.292,"body":"to think about redesigning their"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":504.191,"endTime":507.292,"body":"own curriculum. I've kind of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":507.342,"endTime":510.545,"body":"said, Yes, you can do that. And"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":507.342,"endTime":510.545,"body":"that's absolutely fine. I'm not"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":510.596,"endTime":513.646,"body":"precious about any of these"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":510.596,"endTime":513.646,"body":"questions. But you might find it"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":513.696,"endTime":516.645,"body":"more useful to see the next"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":513.696,"endTime":516.645,"body":"version of the questions which"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":516.695,"endTime":519.949,"body":"will come out after people like"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":516.695,"endTime":519.949,"body":"yourselves who's listening, have"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":519.999,"endTime":522.744,"body":"responded to the survey. And"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":519.999,"endTime":522.744,"body":"we've kind of added other"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":522.795,"endTime":525.845,"body":"people's views. And because at"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":522.795,"endTime":525.845,"body":"the moment, the questions are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":525.896,"endTime":529.098,"body":"only mine, and Eddie's so that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":525.896,"endTime":529.098,"body":"might be something else you want"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":529.149,"endTime":532.199,"body":"to do. I know some people are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":529.149,"endTime":532.199,"body":"printing off the questions and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":532.25,"endTime":535.147,"body":"sharing them at department"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":532.25,"endTime":535.147,"body":"meetings and talking about the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":535.198,"endTime":538.4,"body":"questions and responding to the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":535.198,"endTime":538.4,"body":"survey, in department meetings,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":538.451,"endTime":541.654,"body":"and so on. And that's absolutely"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":538.451,"endTime":541.654,"body":"great. A couple of departments"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":541.705,"endTime":544.653,"body":"have asked me to go along and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":541.705,"endTime":544.653,"body":"lead a session to get people"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":544.704,"endTime":547.906,"body":"talking about that. If you want"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":544.704,"endTime":547.906,"body":"me to do that, you're more than"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":547.957,"endTime":551.058,"body":"welcome to ask me to do that."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":547.957,"endTime":551.058,"body":"I've only got limited time. But"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":551.108,"endTime":554.209,"body":"I can do that. And I can work"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":551.108,"endTime":554.209,"body":"with departments if you want to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":554.26,"endTime":557.411,"body":"think about these questions and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":554.26,"endTime":557.411,"body":"think about what they mean for"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":557.462,"endTime":560.512,"body":"you and how you might respond to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":557.462,"endTime":560.512,"body":"them. But I hope if nothing"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":560.563,"endTime":562.952,"body":"else, you found these 26"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":560.563,"endTime":562.952,"body":"questions, mostly it's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":563.003,"endTime":566.002,"body":"questions, kind of got your"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":563.003,"endTime":566.002,"body":"brains thinking about what your"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":566.053,"endTime":566.46,"body":"view is."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":566.46,"endTime":569.852,"body":"But like I said, What I'm really"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":566.46,"endTime":569.852,"body":"into and if you want to be have"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":569.905,"endTime":573.085,"body":"be involved in the project to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":569.905,"endTime":573.085,"body":"have an impact on the project,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":573.138,"endTime":576.266,"body":"the best thing you can do is"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":573.138,"endTime":576.266,"body":"respond to the survey. Because"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":576.319,"endTime":579.605,"body":"the more responses we get, the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":576.319,"endTime":579.605,"body":"better we are more confident we"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":579.658,"endTime":582.785,"body":"are in having in knowing that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":579.658,"endTime":582.785,"body":"we've got, you know, lots and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":582.838,"endTime":585.913,"body":"lots of different views. So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":582.838,"endTime":585.913,"body":"please do that. Please do take"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":585.966,"endTime":589.04,"body":"the time to respond at the"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":585.966,"endTime":589.04,"body":"moment. The survey is only open"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":589.093,"endTime":592.221,"body":"until the end of November. I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":589.093,"endTime":592.221,"body":"might extend that date because"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":592.274,"endTime":595.401,"body":"there's no there's nothing"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":592.274,"endTime":595.401,"body":"precious about that time. We can"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":595.454,"endTime":598.316,"body":"extend it till the end of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":595.454,"endTime":598.316,"body":"December or early January if"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":598.369,"endTime":601.762,"body":"need be. But please do come back"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":598.369,"endTime":601.762,"body":"to me if you got any questions,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":601.815,"endTime":605.048,"body":"thoughts, opinions or views, I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":601.815,"endTime":605.048,"body":"can add that in to the survey."},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":605.101,"endTime":608.493,"body":"But the best way to do that, as"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":605.101,"endTime":608.493,"body":"I said, is to follow the link in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":608.546,"endTime":611.674,"body":"the show notes to the survey,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":608.546,"endTime":611.674,"body":"put your response on there, I"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":611.727,"endTime":614.642,"body":"also can feel more guaranteed"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":611.727,"endTime":614.642,"body":"that that's all been done"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":614.695,"endTime":617.611,"body":"ethically, and I've got your"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":614.695,"endTime":617.611,"body":"permission to include your"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":617.664,"endTime":620.95,"body":"responses in our next level of"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":617.664,"endTime":620.95,"body":"our analysis. And the next part"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":621.003,"endTime":623.812,"body":"of the project is really"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":621.003,"endTime":623.812,"body":"exciting. I don't know where"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":623.865,"endTime":627.099,"body":"it's gonna go. I don't know,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":623.865,"endTime":627.099,"body":"whether the DfE or government or"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":627.152,"endTime":630.226,"body":"whoever might take on board,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":627.152,"endTime":630.226,"body":"whatever we come up with as a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":630.279,"endTime":633.3,"body":"project team. But it is exciting"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":630.279,"endTime":633.3,"body":"to even go through these"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":633.353,"endTime":636.481,"body":"questions and be debating them"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":633.353,"endTime":636.481,"body":"to see what we all think. As"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":636.534,"endTime":639.767,"body":"usual. Thanks for listening. You"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":636.534,"endTime":639.767,"body":"can find me in all the usual"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":639.82,"endTime":642.63,"body":"places on different social media"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":639.82,"endTime":642.63,"body":"platforms. Take care"}]}