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Absolutely. These"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1601.19,"endTime":1604.82,"body":"know about mould and mould can"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1604.82,"endTime":1607.91,"body":"come apart, you know that it's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1604.82,"endTime":1607.91,"body":"smooth. Well, that applies for"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1607.97,"endTime":1612.83,"body":"casting advice with jelly it"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1607.97,"endTime":1612.83,"body":"applies for, you know, all sorts"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1612.83,"endTime":1615.71,"body":"of different Yes, I think that's"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1612.83,"endTime":1615.71,"body":"where the that's where you teach"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1615.71,"endTime":1618.53,"body":"the got to kind of make those"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1615.71,"endTime":1618.53,"body":"make those connections. But"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1619.25,"endTime":1621.59,"body":"yeah, right. Anyway, well,"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1619.25,"endTime":1621.59,"body":"you've got, you've got my brain"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1621.59,"endTime":1625.25,"body":"thinking, I'm sure you've got"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1621.59,"endTime":1625.25,"body":"people listening, thinking, as"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1625.25,"endTime":1627.14,"body":"well. It's been Yeah, it's been"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1625.25,"endTime":1627.14,"body":"good to kind of have that"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1627.14,"endTime":1629.36,"body":"conversation. Maybe I didn't"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1627.14,"endTime":1629.36,"body":"really put you on the spot"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1629.36,"endTime":1632.15,"body":"there. Because I didn't prep you"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1629.36,"endTime":1632.15,"body":"for all of this. I was going to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1632.15,"endTime":1636.53,"body":"ask you in detail about about a"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1632.15,"endTime":1636.53,"body":"lesson. But it makes it more"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1636.53,"endTime":1639.17,"body":"real for people who are"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1636.53,"endTime":1639.17,"body":"listening who are trying to"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1639.17,"endTime":1641.75,"body":"think about their practice. So"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1639.17,"endTime":1641.75,"body":"thanks so much. Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1641.75,"endTime":1644.9,"body":"having me on. And that's all"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1641.75,"endTime":1644.9,"body":"right. And if you've got some"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1644.9,"endTime":1646.7,"body":"links to anything that you can"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1644.9,"endTime":1646.7,"body":"kind of show us that'd be"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1646.7,"endTime":1649.37,"body":"brilliant. We could put that in"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1646.7,"endTime":1649.37,"body":"the show notes. And we'll put"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1649.55,"endTime":1652.22,"body":"contact details how people can"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1649.55,"endTime":1652.22,"body":"find you on social media as well"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1652.43,"endTime":1654.23,"body":"in the show notes, but thanks"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1652.43,"endTime":1654.23,"body":"ever so much, Scott. That was"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1654.23,"endTime":1657.32,"body":"good. You've got my brain"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1654.23,"endTime":1657.32,"body":"thinking late on an evening"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":1658.04,"endTime":1658.79,"body":"during the school."},{"speaker":"Scott Tweeddale","startTime":1660.14,"endTime":1661.61,"body":"Thanks so much."},{"speaker":"Scott Tweeddale","startTime":1660.14,"endTime":1661.61,"body":"Thank you"}]}