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Thank"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2366.76,"endTime":2369.37,"body":"you with all of your your"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2369.37,"endTime":2371.95,"body":"success and your setbacks, and"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2369.37,"endTime":2371.95,"body":"they'll be it's gonna be a lot"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2371.95,"endTime":2373.39,"body":"of stuff in the show notes from"},{"speaker":"Alison Hardy","startTime":2371.95,"endTime":2373.39,"body":"this."},{"speaker":"Sam Reynolds","startTime":2372.88,"endTime":2379.51,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Sam Reynolds","startTime":2372.88,"endTime":2379.51,"body":"absolutely.Thank you"}]}