72. Guess Who's Back?

Transcript

Pat 0:22

Welcome to the Hudson valley disc golf podcast. I'm Pat Keenan and I've been waiting patiently avoiding your Facebook posts for two weeks in order to get this story fresh for the first time right now. No pressure. Kenji, tell me about Louie. The lover.

Kenji 0:38

Oh, he's our new puppy. he's our new French bulldog. We just got him.

Pat 0:42

Do you have any other dogs?

Kenji 0:44

We had a dog that was 15 passed away in the fall.

Pat 0:49

Okay.

Kenji 0:49

So this is the new dog. My wife has wanted a French bulldog forever, so we finally bit the bullet and we drove down to Ryan's neighborhood.

Pat 0:58

Oh, wow.

Kenji 0:59

Down by Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, picked up the dog and, yeah, he's great. He's cute but he's a puppy going through potty training and don't chew this. Don't chew that. He's only nine weeks. He was born January 2nd, nine weeks.

Pat 1:18

How big do they get?

Kenji 1:19

They get like 20, 25 pounds.

Pat 1:23

Do you have any other pets?

Kenji 1:25

I have a cat. A Maine Coon. He's 20 pounds. He's huge

Pat 1:32

How old?

Kenji 1:33

Oh, Fuzz is ooh 11, 10-11

Pat 1:40

That's like adolescents for cats. Jaimen you got any pets?

Jaimen 1:43

No, not right now.

Pat 1:45

Jason?

Jasan 1:46

Yeah, a dog Sasha and like 30 chickens.

Pat 1:52

Nice. Mystery Guest, write it down. I'll read it out loud. If you have any pets.

Kenji 1:58

Type it, use the chat.

Pat 2:00

Maybe he's got a lot of pets. No pets. All right. Congratulations on your new edition.

Kenji 2:07

He's a very cute dog.

Pat 2:09

Jaimen your writing is a major topic for tonight. I don't know if you know that, so I'm just going to say, Hey how was your week?

Jaimen 2:16

My week was pretty good. Got a little disc golf in on Saturday. Which was awesome. And besides that, nothing too bad happened

Pat 2:24

Okay Jasan, sorry for the delay in getting your tags announced, but blame those guys. They never picked those holes. They never picked them It's Kenji's fault

Jasan 2:32

oh, okay.

Pat 2:34

well, I do have a Mine Kill question for you real quick. It's two events over two days, right?

Jasan 2:38

Correct.

Pat 2:39

That's just temporary. Is that permanent or is that something you're open to being permanent?

Jasan 2:45

Haven't fully committed to either. It has its advantages. I miss the old format of it being all weekend for 72 players being a destination tournament, playing all 4 layouts. There's a lot of cool stuff about that, but there's also a lot of advantages to splitting it up, especially for Jess and myself with two kids and being able to each play different day. But also we can accommodate a lot more people and with the boom in the sport right now, it seems like that's the thing to do until you figure out how to better serve the community.

Pat 3:16

Absolutely. just out of curiosity, what is the nearest course to there? Would you say?

Jasan 3:21

That's a good question.

Pat 3:22

I was just thinking if people wanted to go the weekend, they play Saturday, maybe on Sunday you still do the camping or whatever and on Sunday play a different course on the way back.

Kenji 3:32

J Parks not too far from there.

Jasan 3:34

Yeah. I think the closest course would be Hunter mountain or Tannersville

Jaimen 3:38

What about Burbine?

Jasan 3:39

Burbine's still pretty far.

Jaimen 3:41

Yeah. Everythings far

Kenji 3:42

The course I'm gonna put in will be close in Duanesburg

Jaimen 3:45

That would still be far

Kenji 3:47

I think it would still be J Park, right. Hunters closer than J Park?

Jasan 3:53

Yeah. Hunter is definitely closer than J Park. There's like a shortcut. You can go over the mountain to get there. But yeah, there's not a lot near Mine Kill

Pat 4:00

All right. I don't want to ask about your tag, cause that is a potential hole. But there was some movement this week in the top 10 Kenji could tell us about it. Cause I think he was on the card with them. But there may be more, cause I don't know if you know this Kenji, but there's four updates that need to be verified. Probably from the tournament today.

Kenji 4:18

Oh, I can look right now. I'll tell you I'll update it. How do you know?

Pat 4:23

It says it at the top. It says four.

Kenji 4:25

Oh, everybody gets to see that.

Pat 4:27

Just that part, yeah. You can't see what the matches are or anything. Trust me. I tried Kenji while you're doing that. Do you have any idea who the mystery guests might be?

Kenji 4:38

I have no idea who the Mystery Guest might be.

Pat 4:42

Just take a guess.

Kenji 4:43

Out of anybody,

Pat 4:44

Anybody in the world,

Kenji 4:45

Let's say it's... Adam Gutman, little WeDGe guy?

Pat 4:49

He's probably the only person who's been on more than you.

Kenji 4:53

Who's been on more than me. Jack. It's gotta be Jack.

Pat 4:59

All right, Mystery Guest say,"Hey!"

Andrew 5:01

Emerging from the green room. How's it going, Kenji.

Kenji 5:07

What's up Andrew, it's been so long, that's right.

Pat 5:15

I figured you needed a partner for any point related. And since he didn't pick you, you don't get any points. Now your partners but how you doing, how you been?

Andrew 5:23

Been doing good, man. Been doing good. I'm excited that the get some more daylight now I can get some more rounds in during the week.

Pat 5:30

Yeah. Cause you've always had that issue. Half the time you can't even do dubs. Cause you got to zip through.

Andrew 5:35

Yeah. Sometimes at dubs. It'll start at 4:30 and Aw man come on guys or I'll start at five or I'm like, wait for me on Hole 2 I'll be there in 20 minutes. But but yeah, I'm excited that it's warming up that the sun's coming out get some more rounds in for sure.

Pat 5:52

Heck Yeah, Why don't you start us off? Pick a hole.

Andrew 5:54

How about Hole 9?

Pat 5:56

What were you doing one year ago today?

Andrew 5:59

I remember, like I went home early and then I didn't go back to work for like maybe 15 days. And in that time, I started playing call of duty and all of the rest of the 15 days where like a blur, it was pretty much just go to the couch. And then like when you're tired, it's time to go to bed. I'm ashamed of myself

Kenji 6:19

I remember I was at work that Monday was the last day we worked and I remember somebody saying, Oh yeah, they're going to closing the state tomorrow. I'm like, wow. I heard the governor said it, wow. Then we were told to bring your laptops home. We might be working home for a little while. And yeah, I haven't spent a whole day in the office since.

Pat 6:41

Wow. Jaimen?

Jaimen 6:44

That Sunday I was freaking out about school because we knew that the next day we were going in as emergency planning, but we didn't know what was happening after that. At that time, everybody was like, Oh we're going to be out for two weeks this is going to be crazy. But the Saturday before the 14th, that was our last team challenge match. So we had a team from New Hampshire come to Albany, play us in team challenge. That was a disaster, cause I was trying to do CTPs and I could not figure out the J park Hole numbers. And I was like, freaking out,

Kenji 7:13

Oh, I remember that meltdown.

Jaimen 7:14

Yeah. Sorry. Kenji.

Pat 7:16

Let me help you, Jaimen.

Jaimen 7:19

Now knowing everything that was going on, it's definitely, I wasn't mad at the holes. I was just mad at everything that was going on and I couldn't handle it, figuring out the J Park hole numbers instead of doing lunch, because we knew what was going on. We didn't have lunch. So instead we, we did CTP's is for everybody, everybody from the disc captains donated CTPs rather than making lunch. And I couldn't figure out the Hole numbers and I was like freaking out about it. That's my story.

Pat 7:46

All right, Jasan,

Jasan 7:48

A year ago I was hiking Mine Kill with Jess and the kids.

Pat 7:53

All right.

Andrew 7:54

Good memory.

Jasan 7:55

I cheated. I looked back on my phone a year ago.

Pat 8:00

Jason what Hole?

Jasan 8:01

Since we started nine, let's go to 10.

Pat 8:03

Oh, we're sticking with the front nine. I'm sorry.

Jasan 8:05

Oh, alright, then we got to go to one.

Pat 8:06

All right. Hole one. That is a okay. New this new thing already. It's glitching on me. Let me try this one more time.

Noise 8:17

DisCap Tag Update DisCap Tag Update DisCap Tag Update

Kenji 8:21

I approved those matches

Pat 8:23

Oh good. I thought before we even did that, what tags do you have? I just, I thought we'd go around real quick. You don't even have to tell me the number. Just what clubs, like how many tags you got? Jasan, we'll start with you.

Jasan 8:33

This year. I think I just have DisCap.

Pat 8:35

Jaimen

Jaimen 8:36

Yeah. I just have DisCap. I just pulled last. Year's wedge tag out of my trunk, though. If that counts for anything.

Pat 8:42

Kenji,

Kenji 8:43

I have a lifetime NEFA, tag. I have a lifetime pro Hyzer tag, and I have a DisCap tag this year. And last year I had Stony kill and. I think somewhere else too, but right now, just again, DisCap Tag besides a lifetime.

Pat 9:04

Okay. And Andrew?

Andrew 9:06

Got my Beacon tag. I've got my Hudson Valley Disc Golf tag. I just got tag my Phatty tag Jay Phatt's tag. I've got my pro Hyzer tag and then I have a bunch of tags that are on my bag from like last year that I'm like, Oh yeah, it's not 2020.

Kenji 9:26

Yeah. I haven't taken those off yet either.

Andrew 9:31

Like the last round I played, someone was like, Hey, do you have a Wedge tag? I was like, yeah, I do. Then we got there and they were like, we were handing them out. I was like, Oh, this year's tag. Okay, cool. No, don't have that. I'm sorry. Man

Pat 9:46

All right. So we were doing a disc cap tag update. Let me pull it back up. Now that it's been approved. A little bit of movement. All right. So looks like number 10 stays the same. Dave Searle. Greg Kurtz drops from five to nine. Josh Weinstock Tyler Calzada Josh Winn they all stay the same, Jeremy Bledsoe. Now Kenji, you, are you on the same card with those guys?

Kenji 10:09

Yeah. Yeah. We played the new layout over at the new course by my house in New Scotland and we played to Buckets five gallon buckets that were really low. Like they, they put them in, they should have, put them higher, but it's just for play testing, so it doesn't really matter. But yeah, so muddy, sloppy tees, it was a very rough lines and object golf to five gallon buckets.

Pat 10:32

That's awesome.

Kenji 10:32

Jeremy's power forehand can do a stand and deliver better than Greg's backhand

Pat 10:39

Jaimen is still at fourth. Just just hording it. Is that what's going on?

Jaimen 10:43

I don't actually play disc golf anymore.

Pat 10:45

Just build courses? Number three, Tim Jiardini Joe Jaskolka with four rounds, the most played of anybody in the whatever numbers I can see with number two tag and Jason still with the number one you're going to hoard that thing to Mine Kill.

Jasan 11:03

Jaimen will probably take it at FDR, but.

Noise 11:06

And this has been your discount tag update.

Pat 11:10

All right, Kenji pick a Hole not one, not nine.

Kenji 11:14

Let's keep going in order, number 2.

Pat 11:18

Hole 2. I have a couple of questions on the PDGA. Kenji, should people in our area start playing their proper division. Do you think that would help things.

Kenji 11:26

Do you want me to play Rec? I'll play rec, Yeah, I think in the Northeast we tend to play up one division. I play AM2. I dunno. Rating is just bad right now. I think I play where I belong. I belong in AM2. I play advanced masters occasionally, but I do NEFA for points every year so, you get better NEFA points by playing AM2 then you do in AM Masters.

Pat 11:46

Should a PDGA membership be required to play in a PDGA tournament?

Kenji 11:50

No.

Pat 11:50

Anybody have any thoughts?

Andrew 11:52

Maybe the question is like, why not?

Pat 11:54

As an answer to the amount of people signing up.

Andrew 11:56

Yeah,

Kenji 11:57

No because then you get exclusive. We should be inclusive. Tournaments shouldn't offer all divisions that NEFA makes you offer.

Jaimen 12:05

Yeah. I wouldn't mind seeing the membership requirement brought down a tier. So I think for A- tiers you have to be a member or maybe it's just NT's but I wouldn't mind it.

Kenji 12:16

It's A-Tiers. You have to be a member for A-Tiers and up. I agree with that. The first step still doesn't require you, but just got a little bit of added cash on the B-Tier. And then if you want to get serious A-Tiers you gotta put them in a year ahead of time, and then you're required to be a certified official and a PDGA member

Andrew 12:36

I would like to think that money is going towards like the growth of the sport and the growth of the PDGA which has grown significantly, I think over the past year and maybe like more that would make it grow more.

Pat 12:49

Can anybody describe efficiently the difference between an A, B and C tier?

Kenji 12:54

The added cash and the percent paid out.

Jasan 12:58

Yeah and per player costs. And there's a chart of all different stuff, but the big ones added cash

Kenji 13:04

$750 for a B-Tier. And what is it? 1500 for an A-Tier?

Jasan 13:09

It's three grand.

Kenji 13:10

Is it a three grand now. Wow. Yeah.

Jaimen 13:13

Also the higher tier you go the more stringent the requirements are for different things. There's only certain baskets you can use for A-Tiers. That kind of thing.

Kenji 13:22

Yeah.

Jasan 13:23

Yeah. And also that how quickly you have to get the reports in, I think like a C tier, you got a couple of weeks, but A-Tier you got to have it in 48 hours, right? Yeah. It's quick. And if you have amateur tournaments, then it's the value that the AM's get compared to their entry fee. So I think it's 125% for B tier.

Kenji 13:40

Which is weird because that's like. Not a hundred net, not gross entry after all, whatever fees gets taken out.

Jasan 13:47

Yeah. And it's retail. So technically Mine Kill is the AM side has met all their criteria for A-Tier ever since I started it, I've kept it with the pro side because all I'd be doing is increasing the per player costs and it really wouldn't be benefiting anybody.

Kenji 14:02

No one here chasing world invites.

Jasan 14:06

Yeah. You're going to get a few more points to go to worlds or whatever, but

Pat 14:09

So, the benefit for having a C tier is just the ratings, right? Basically.

Kenji 14:14

The insurance.

Pat 14:15

And the insurance. Yes. Okay.

Kenji 14:18

Cheaper insurance.

Pat 14:19

Okay. I'm just trying to think, why would I want to do a B tier, like for the club? Why would a club just to draw more pros, more points. Okay. Yeah.

Kenji 14:30

You get the$750 that has to go to the pro

Andrew 14:33

Just like liability insurance

Kenji 14:35

Yeah, covers the event and all the players.

Andrew 14:37

Okay.

Kenji 14:37

And it's usually required by most municipalities. If you try and get it without the PDGA it's hundreds more.

Andrew 14:45

Wow. Okay.

Pat 14:46

All right. Jaimen did you pick a Hole yet?

Jaimen 14:48

I have not.

Pat 14:49

Why not try now?

Jaimen 14:50

Let's go to 8, Pat

Pat 14:51

Do. You use UDisc and if yes, do you put in more than just,your score

Jaimen 14:56

Oh you mean like a fairway off the fairway? That kind of stuff.

Pat 15:00

Yeah,

Jaimen 15:00

I do. I do that because I'm optimistically thinking someday, I'm going to look back at those in garner, some kind of information off of them. And I have not yet. So I shouldn't,

Pat 15:11

There's something to be said though, the idea of writing it down you'll you might remember it a little better, but does anybody else put any more than just the score?

Kenji 15:20

I have a once or twice. I haven't really got into keeping track of everything on there.

Jasan 15:25

If I'm confident I have enough battery on my phone. I'll go for it. That's usually the deciding factor.

Pat 15:31

That's a good point. Andrew. I know it was accusing and no, Andrew, I wanted to ask you because you used to keep track. You were just keeping score, right? You had a, like a score book.

Andrew 15:41

Yeah. I usually keep like pencil and paper kind of stuff. And my brother turned me on to UDisc. And at first I was like, no, man. I like to like the analog way. And then he like bought it for me. I was like, all right, I'll try it. And now I, I do all the stats, even when someone else on the card is keeping score. I'll keep my own just so I can get the stats.

Pat 16:03

Now, how much extra time does that add? Just putting in whatever stats..

Andrew 16:06

It's not too bad. Usually I can get it done on the way to the next hole or what am I like the next hole while other players are teeing off. It's it really doesn't take that much time. And to be honest, I'm not sure how accurate, like I grade myself sometimes I'll throw it in the Bush and be like I can see the basket. So like I'm in the fair way. Or I'm sure my circle two percentages, a little is a little loaded because I'm at, 26 feet. I'm like yeah this is circle 2. I'm far enough

Pat 16:40

Now, do you go back and look at all? unlike Jaimen

Andrew 16:43

I do there's like the tab that you can look at. Oh, your past five rounds or your past 30 rounds or what it was last year. And I guess my hope is that I can see like some sign of improvement in one of the stats. That would be nice. But mostly it just makes me like, frown.

Kenji 17:04

Can you go with and look by like course by hole and

Andrew 17:08

yeah. So I can pull up

Kenji 17:10

All your Hole 3's at beacon.

Andrew 17:13

Oh yeah. Yeah. I can just like click on beacon and it'll tell me how many times I've parred Hole 2 or, you know how many times I birdied hole 10,

Pat 17:26

they might blow up your phone

Andrew 17:27

A lot less than I would like.

Pat 17:30

Yeah. All right. Jaimen you said that you don't actually go back and look, but do you find, you still keep yourself doing it? It's just a habit at this point.

Jaimen 17:38

Yeah. I've always paced off my putts anyways, just so I know, generally where I am with my putting. I find that when I have really good putting days, I always think I'm closer than I am. I'm going to have bad putting days, I think I'm farther away. So it keeps me grounded a little bit as to like the distance of pots that I'm actually making. So since I'm already collecting that data, while I'm walking I put it in the phone.

Pat 18:01

All right. Jaimen and you're playing Jason 36 holes at Jay park. Who's winning?

Jaimen 18:06

Ooh. I think Jason and I were, we don't play very often, so it's probably whoever's played the most recently.

Pat 18:15

Or most stamina. Jason who's winning?

Jasan 18:19

It's close. I'm close to Jay park. I played a lot.

Jaimen 18:22

Oh, see, there you go. He wins. I also have a really frustrating thing where I can't get under a certain score at Jay park for whatever reason. Like at least on 27 holes, I'm shooting an 82, probably seven out of 10 times just 4under all the time. And I don't know what to do to stop shooting that score.

Pat 18:42

Trade you.

Andrew 18:44

Pretty good problem.

Jaimen 18:45

That's fair. I feel like at J park I could shoot like 77 or 76 pretty easily. Cause there's so many birdiable holes. I'm just never there.

Jasan 18:55

Yeah, if Jaimen's shooting 82. Maybe I'll change my answer. I dunno. Say 84, but I feel like it should be in the seventies. Cause par is 86. So after 27 holes, you feel like you should be more than two or three under?

Jaimen 19:08

Yeah, totally.

Pat 19:09

Yeah. I go 84 to 87, but that's how I get to Jay park, so... Wait, wait, Wait. It's the one they put in there. It's like an auto thing. Jaimen what hole? Oh, you just picked one, right? We'll go back the same way. Snake draft Jaimen what you got?

Jaimen 19:30

Okay. Let's go with three.

Pat 19:32

What would you like to talk about?

Jaimen 19:33

What would I like to talk about? A couple of things quick. One is that Me, Mike Schwartz and Kathleen Beamis are going to be running a women's global event on May 8th, and then we're going to be having a one round Flexstart C-Tier the next day on mother's day. It's one round flex start because it's on mother's day. So you still get to go hang out with your mothers, but registration is open on Disc golf scene. It's going to be awesome. There's going to be a great players back. We have two people under the age of 10 signed up right now, and I'm super excited about that. So that's that.

Pat 20:07

What is a women's global event?

Jaimen 20:09

So the women's global event is a worldwide tournament where everybody plays on the same weekend and it's all factored in through some additional piece of math besides figuring out your rating and then you're competing against everybody else in the nation or in the world in that division for that weekend. So even though we've only got one person in F A 50, there's probably close to 60 in the division worldwide. So they're only competing against themselves on the course, but they're competing against all other FA 60's in the world. That are playing.

Pat 20:43

That takes place over the weekend or is it just one day?

Jaimen 20:46

Over the weekend. So an event can be either Saturday or Sunday.

Kenji 20:50

That's been going on quite awhile.

Jaimen 20:52

Yeah.

Kenji 20:53

Every other year they do it annually.

Jaimen 20:56

I'm pretty sure it's every other year. There's some weird things about it. I don't think that running it on mother's day is a really a great idea. It's making statistically speaking, the mothers choose whether they're going to play a tournament.

Pat 21:08

It's just a, women's only tournament, correct?

Jaimen 21:10

Yeah. You can include men in them, but only the women's divisions and the tournaments count towards it. And you need two rounds unless you're under the age of 12.

Pat 21:19

That's cool. Jason, any, what do you want to talk about? Anything?

Jasan 21:22

How about a Monday tournament selling out?

Pat 21:26

You're talking about Craig's Tournament?

Jasan 21:27

Or is that another question or

Pat 21:29

No, that's fine. I didn't realize that it was today until late. So I'm glad that you brought this up.

Kenji 21:35

Greg Kurtz won!

Pat 21:39

Weekday Shorts presented by craig's disc.

Jaimen 21:41

Now what about that? No-show in that division. What's that guy about bum!

Kenji 21:47

You want to read why he hurt his thumb? Getting undressed last night?

Pat 21:55

Who was that?

Jaimen 21:56

Tim Giardini.

Jasan 21:57

Currently the highest rated MP50 player in New York. I think

Jaimen 22:01

He's also the highest tag person at that event. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.

Pat 22:06

That's crazy.

Jasan 22:06

Good job, Greg. Yeah, beating Weinstock's good too. That was a good match between those guys.

Jaimen 22:13

Yeah, absolutely.

Kenji 22:15

You know why? Because Josh was out helping us work yesterday. Probably all tired.

Jasan 22:19

That'll do it.

Jaimen 22:19

Yeah. But Greg was out there on Saturday.

Pat 22:21

Greg, doesn't get tired.

Jaimen 22:22

That's fair. Give him some chocolate milk and I know he's good,

Kenji 22:25

He'll go and then crash.

Jasan 22:27

Oh, you guys did the prospect work, right? Saw the photos. That was pretty cool.

Kenji 22:30

Oh yeah. I saw the film of the drone footage of the Troy sign. You can see it from 87 now.

Jaimen 22:36

That was super cool.

Jasan 22:37

Yeah. I just got to play prospect last week for the first time. It's fun course.

Kenji 22:41

Yeah. It's a nice little fun back nine. It'll be fun, but be more up and through the woods and everything

Jasan 22:46

Cool.

Pat 22:46

The results for weekday shorts presented by Craig's disc. Pro, MA1 and FA1 played today. Alexandra Dennis came in fourth, Caitlin Clay in third Megan Mercier in second place. And Hudson Valley, disc golf podcasts. Andy Romanski, won by four strokes in the advanced division. heck yeah. Advanced division Gabriel Galveo came in third. There was a tie up first between Antonio Albert and Jake Bardales. And apparently Jake won it. Cause he's on top on this list here. Do anybody know any of these people?

Andrew 23:22

I've played in one tournament with Antonio before really good player. He's always like a couple of strokes. Beats me at every single tournament and he's a sweet dude. So shout out to Antonio. What's up, man?

Pat 23:35

All right. So pro masters 50 Johnny Simpson in third Josh Weinstock, in second Greg Kurtz in first I'll edit all your enjoyment there. Timothy Jiardini we know he started on hole 8. Yeah. 9:00 AM Pro Masters 40-4th place. Dan Tressler tie for second between Craig Smolan and Nick Smizac, Yeah. Nick's in second and Jason Kwap with a minus four, which was the same score as Greg Kurtz. Pro division third place, Chris Scofield, second place. Reva's Mark ons, Craig. And in first place, Todd Springer. Do you guys know any of those people?

Jaimen 24:17

Yeah, absolutely.

Pat 24:18

Who do you know?

Jaimen 24:19

All of them. So Chris is a pro from Connecticut. I believe his home course is cranberry. Ravis is a player out of borderlands who that guy's everywhere all the time. He's constantly posting stuff from just about every state within driving distance. Really awesome, dude. And Todd is another player from Connecticut. I believe sometimes he calls Bridgeport his home course and Todd lit it up averaging over 1030 golf. That's a really impressive

Pat 24:45

Damn, 1047 in the first round. And slacking in a second at 1023, man. I'll do my old joke, man. 95 strokes. I ain't getting up for, less than a hundred.

Kenji 25:01

1047, 1023. Nice!.

Noise 25:03

Hell yeah. Some Good Golf Yeah,

Kenji 25:06

I like that you can see the Hole scores now. You can see everybody's how they shot every hole.

Pat 25:13

Oh, view hole scores, I see that the new options. Oh, this brings, you to the live page.

Kenji 25:19

I do not see any ACEs and

Pat 25:23

I'm not going to say nothing to Danny McCormick ahh it's Hole 10, nevermind.

Jaimen 25:26

I really thought about going to this event, but the fact that there's going to be evidence about it on the internet.

Pat 25:33

What do you think of the split How they're divided like that?

Kenji 25:37

What is it, AM1 played today?

Pat 25:39

AM1, Pro, FA1, MP 50 and 40.

Kenji 25:43

I like that split

Pat 25:44

Basically all the pro divisions with advanced and then everything else.

Kenji 25:48

The only one I think that could have moved with the upper one would have been the advanced masters, but that's the one that's on the line.

Jaimen 25:57

Yeah. I would personally like to see tournaments and this is something I will do, I'm not just asking people to do it. I want to see intermediate with the pro day. And the reason for that is if intermediate played on the pro day, then every single division would have an opportunity to play their division and the higher division.

Pat 26:16

Yeah.

Jasan 26:16

Interesting.

Jaimen 26:17

So that would allow people to, to test the waters a lot more, especially on those two day events. That's like the perfect thing. That's the perfect time to do it.

Jasan 26:25

Yeah. Then you could have a combined division if you play both days. Like all the people that qualify by playing Saturday and Sunday could have some kind of ranking too. Like like totals.

Jaimen 26:35

You could do event tags. There's all sorts of things you could do.

Pat 26:38

Andrew, what do you want to talk about?

Andrew 26:40

So I think one of the last times I was on we were talking to Jason. It was like right after Jason, toned down the Mine Kill Tournament of last year. And I just wanted to say, Jason, I'm signed up for this year's tournament. I'm stoked. to play it.

Jasan 26:57

It's going to be great. Yeah, so the AM side I can't do the pro AM1 split because since a lot of the funds for Mine Kill go to this Saturday night throw off. And so I want all the AMS available to do that. So all the AMS on Saturday for the throw off.

Pat 27:14

Good point because everybody's Sunday, you can't do anything like that on Sunday.

Jasan 27:18

No, and the pros, they don't need to win more merchandise. So

Jaimen 27:22

Agree to disagree.

Kenji 27:23

Jaimen likes the baskets.

Jaimen 27:25

Yeah, absolutely. Actually one of my colleagues texted me today and said, Hey, somebody in the neighborhood has a disc golf basket out. You should get one. And I said, Oh, they only have one amateurs.

Andrew 27:39

I remember on registration night, I was on like dinner duty. My job was like, cut the onions, grate the cheese, whatever. And I had to stop at 7:55 and I'm like, went over and my girlfriend was like if the signups at eight, like what's the big deal. I was like, I'm going to be refreshing this for the next five minutes until I get in. Cause I'm not missing this tournament. Up.

Jasan 28:00

We did sell all the AM Holesponsors which is nice because that actually lowered the am costs$10 this year. So basically all the Hole sponsors just lowered the entry fee.

Andrew 28:11

Sweet.

Jasan 28:12

Yeah. I think that worked out well. And the tiered registration with ladies first and staggering. It really got all the people that I wanted to see in the tournament, maybe aside from a few, but I'm really happy with how the registration went.

Kenji 28:26

The opportunity to get in when they

Jasan 28:28

Cause it, the worst thing is being a TD. And if you have registration and it fills up really quick and you get a long wait list and it's depressing to see some of your friends or some or people that you really like to play on the pro side on the wait list. And this year with the pro basically having its own day. There's no worry about that filling up. So I get to see all the pros play and then I also get to see basically all of our friends on the AM day too hoping Liam Doyle gets into, but that'd be fun.

Kenji 28:57

What's your pro day number?

Jasan 28:58

37. And there's a few ladies that They said they were going to play FPO too. So I think actually this year is pretty crazy with the amount of female pros we have seven female pros and an FP 40 division with three ladies.

Jaimen 29:15

That's awesome.

Jasan 29:16

Yeah. That's seven times more female pros than we've had any other year.

Jaimen 29:22

Chelsea.

Jasan 29:24

Yeah. And she's not here this year to defend it. But yeah, I'm really glad to see that. And 37 is not a full tournament. It's not like FDR or Warwick, anything like that. But I think for our area, it's probably...

Kenji 29:37

That's pretty good for Mine Kill on just a Pro only.

Jasan 29:40

Can't think of any other local tournaments that have that many pros, so it's good. And the AM1 field is huge too this year. Usually for some reason, Mine Kill we don't get a lot of AM1's and this year we have quite a few.

Pat 29:53

What about the idea of Monday registration opens for pro and women Tuesday's advanced and then each day? What about that? Or is that crazy?

Kenji 30:04

I don't think that's a bad idea. That'd be a good trial run to see how it goes.

Jasan 30:09

That's interesting idea.

Jaimen 30:10

I like that for bigger events. I think that would be a good way to do it.

Kenji 30:13

It depends on what your event, you're trying to accomplish with it.

Pat 30:15

Like if you're doing a Mine Kill Championship, because it's a championship, like to what Jack was saying repeatedly...

Jasan 30:22

We need a mission statement.

Pat 30:25

But yeah, for a championship like that, I could definitely see that. And as long as they have that extra paying sponsorship, I'm all for it too.

Jasan 30:32

Yeah, to what Jack said. I agree with them that tournaments should have a mission statement. And I thought about what mine kills is. And I think the pro side, the mission is to have the best pros that we can at the event, play it and shoot the lowest score that they can. And on the AM's side, it's more about getting exposure to the course, to amateurs in the area. So there's two different mission statements, but I think having focused definitely is important and like how he brought that up.

Jaimen 30:58

Yeah. I think everything should have that focus, not just tournaments. A course should have that focus leagues should have that focus. Anything that anybody's doing to organize stuff they should be making sure that they have a set goal somewhere along the line that they're trying to achieve. I think.

Kenji 31:14

You can get a little more niche with the focus of what you're trying to do. You're trying to reach the area instead of just trying to accommodate everybody.

Jaimen 31:22

That's where Crandall came from going. Okay. We need a totally beginner course where that is. So let's make this totally beginning. I could have done nine holes with four tees on each one of them, but I don't think that would have served anybody as well.

Jasan 31:35

That's a good point. Yeah. Can you imagine how many different directions DisCap would be without a mission statement?

Kenji 31:40

The quote for another nine for Skidmore college new Scotland shortly, probably this week.

Jaimen 31:46

I'm going to need nine more in the next couple of months too.

Kenji 31:50

So there you go, we're up to 36 already.

Jasan 31:53

Wow.

Pat 31:53

That's crazy. Who hasn't picked? I dunno, everybody's picked Kenji pick a hole?

Kenji 31:57

Let's go whole six.

Pat 31:59

All right. Do I have anything? Let's see,[Charge Sound Effect] that's another default one. No, you got yeah, you got a home run. It's a quiz. You got a quiz, a Disc or No Disc. Got 12 questions here,

Jaimen 32:17

And who's partners?

Pat 32:19

It's going to be pros versus schmoes. So it's Jamien and Jasan and Kendrew.

Andrew 32:26

Kenji, I apologize. This is not my forte, so going to rely on you.

Kenji 32:30

Just say Discraft where it's proper.

Pat 32:35

So it's been awhile. Andrew. You're probably rusty, but in this one, you're going to answer the question and just tell me, is it a disc or is it not a disc?

Andrew 32:43

Cool.

Pat 32:43

Question one, what term for magician comes from middle English for wise? What term for a magician comes from middle English for wise?

Kenji 32:51

Do you know what I'm talking about Andrew, prestidigitator?

Andrew 32:54

I've never heard that word before.

Kenji 32:55

Is that the right word?

Andrew 32:57

If you feel good about it, I trust you.

Pat 32:59

We'll accept that as prestidigitator. Is that what you were going for? Is the prestidigitator no, it's not a disc. So, Jaimen and Jason, do you guys have a guess? What term for a magician comes from middle English for wise?

Jaimen 33:13

Going off of Kenji's answer, I want to say prestige which, sounds like a Discmania disc, but I don't know.

Jasan 33:20

I have no idea, Jaimen.

Jaimen 33:22

You want to just go with prestige? I do want to say Maestro, cause I know that Maestro's a disc.

Jasan 33:27

Oh, Maestro. I like that better.

Jaimen 33:29

Okay. Let's do that.

Pat 33:31

What was that? Maestro. We were looking for wizard. Wise Wizard.

Andrew 33:36

It's so simple.

Pat 33:38

And wizard is a disc.

Jaimen 33:40

Is it?

Kenji 33:41

We're thinking way too into that

Andrew 33:43

I thought wizard, but I was like, that's too simple.

Pat 33:47

It's question 1 guys. Jaimen and Jasan. What word used to describe the oldest profession comes from the civil war general who believed they raised troops morale.? What word used to describe the oldest profession comes from the civil war general who believed they raised troops morale?

Jaimen 34:04

So what's another word for prostitute?

Jasan 34:07

Is it like Hooker?

Pat 34:08

What word used to describe the oldest profession come from the civil war general who believed they've raised troops morale?

Jasan 34:15

So it's a civil war General, Hooker sounds like a general, right?

Jaimen 34:19

It does. Now my question is it the name of a general or did he name it?

Pat 34:24

It's his name.

Jaimen 34:25

Ok.

Jasan 34:25

Isn't that like one of those lightening discs?

Jaimen 34:27

I've never heard of that, but if you want to say hooker and it's a disc, I'm all for it.

Jasan 34:32

I'm second guessing myself now, but somebody really named a disc a Hooker?

Pat 34:35

You good with that?

Jaimen 34:36

Yeah. I almost just want to list off as many different names for prostitute as I can, but I'm stuck at hooker, so.

Andrew 34:44

Keep it classy.

Jaimen 34:46

I Didn't ask the question.

Pat 34:49

Is the hooker a disc? Is the hooker. Oh, you said hooker and yes, I'm sorry. Disc golf association. January 1st, 1982.

Jasan 34:58

Hey, I knew it would be one of those old companies.

Pat 34:59

And I don't believe it was named after the profession. It was probably named after what it does. Yeah.

Jaimen 35:07

DGA has a lot of nautical themes.

Jasan 35:09

I could just see the hooker on the old stamp.

Pat 35:12

That was question two. And there was two points to the Pros. Pros up 2-0. Question three for Kendrew: By leaving his cows unbranded, a Texas cattle rancher gave us what term for an independent loner? By leaving his cows unbranded, a Texas cattle rancher gave us what term for an independent loner?

Kenji 35:35

Lone ranger? Andrew, any ideas?

Andrew 35:37

Ranger sounds good. It's probably not like Cow related.

Kenji 35:41

That's what I was thinking is Cow related.

Andrew 35:43

Like a lone cow. Yeah. That makes sense. Texas, Ranger...

Kenji 35:49

Lone Star State, Lone Ranger, Ranger. Repeat the question one more time, Pat.

Pat 35:54

Certainly. By leaving his cows unbranded, a Texas cattle rancher gave us what term for an independent loner?

Kenji 36:02

Ranger. It doesn't sound right. Lone ranger.

Pat 36:05

Ranger?

Kenji 36:07

Yeah.

Pat 36:08

Pros, what do you guys think?

Jaimen 36:11

Can you spell a word for me?

Pat 36:13

Yeah.

Jaimen 36:13

Loner.

Pat 36:15

L O N E R.

Jaimen 36:16

All right. I wasn't sure if it was L O A N E R. I was like, Loan Shark! Okay I've been thinking in the wrong direction for three minutes, Jasan, sorry. So, an independent loner. Yeah. The only thing I can think of is lone ranger, which is already not right.

Jasan 36:34

What is the lone star? That's the Texas motto. Is that have anything to do with it?

Jaimen 36:39

Could, yeah. What's the Desperado song that doesn't have anything to do with anything, does it? Isn't that about a loner?

Jasan 36:47

Hold on, going through the lyrics in my head right now... not helping.

Jaimen 36:53

Yeah. It's definitely about a loner, but it's not a disc, but I don't know. That's another word that talks about a lone cowboy.

Jasan 37:00

I like that, let's go with Desperado.

Pat 37:02

We were looking for Maverick, Maverick.

Jasan 37:07

Did not know that.

Pat 37:09

He was the only one who didn't brand them, so he was considered a Maverick. Question four. Back to the pros, still up 2 nothing. In the 1984 film Ghostbusters, Rick Moranis plays Louis Tully, who is possessed by the demon VINs Clortho, and becomes the key master. Sigourney Weaver plays Dana Barrett, who was possessed by the demon Zuul and becomes what?

Jasan 37:31

Can you say that one more time?

Pat 37:33

Certainly, in the 1984, film Ghostbusters, Rick Moranis plays Louis Tully, who was possessed by the demon VINs Clortho, and becomes the key master. Sigourney Weaver plays Dana Barrett, who was possessed by the demon Zuul and becomes what?

Jaimen 37:47

Um! knew I should have watched Ghostbusters this week. I don't remember her turning into anything. Does she like turn into a hell hound or something? I feel like I remember Hellhounds in that movie at some point.

Jasan 37:57

You want to go with Hellhound?

Jaimen 37:59

Sure, the only other remarkable thing is the Stay Puft marshmallow man or something. And I know that's not a disc.

Andrew 38:07

Or is it. I've thrown that disc.

Jaimen 38:10

Yeah, I'm good with Hellhound.

Pat 38:12

You're both good with that?

Jasan 38:12

Yeah.

Pat 38:13

What about you guys, Kendrew? Got a chance for steal.

Kenji 38:17

I know she's called something.

Pat 38:19

In then 1984, film Ghostbusters, Rick Moranis plays Louis Tully, who is possessed by the demon Vhins Clortho, and becomes the key master. Sigourney Weaver plays Dana Barrett, who was possessed by the demon Zuul and becomes what?

Kenji 38:31

He keeps asking him around, are you the blah, blah, blah. I don't remember what it is, Andrew.

Andrew 38:36

It's not some like mythological person. It's not like a, like Medusa or anything like that, right?

Kenji 38:41

No. He's the key master. And she's the something, what is it?

Andrew 38:48

Gate Keeper?

Kenji 38:49

I don't think it's gatekeeper. Is it Gate Keeper? It might be gatekeeper that doesn't, I'm not thrilled about that one, but I can't come up with a better one.

Andrew 38:58

I'm just thinking it's like a key master.

Kenji 39:01

Let's go gatekeeper, Pat.

Pat 39:03

You good with that? Is the gatekeeper a disc?

Andrew 39:07

No Way!!

Pat 39:09

He was the key master. She was the gatekeeper. Exactly what you were saying. Is the gatekeeper a disc?

Kenji 39:14

Yeah, the Gate Keepers one of those West Side Discs, right? For some reason, I have a picture of a guy in front of a gate, on one of those West side discs. I don't know all of them, but.

Andrew 39:24

If you feel like you've seen it.

Kenji 39:27

I feel like I seen the picture of a gatekeeper I say Yes, Pat Positivity! Yes!

Pat 39:34

Are you positive enough to say that it's from West side? Are you willing to wager that point?

Kenji 39:39

Yes, It's West side, Gate Keeper.

Pat 39:42

Yeah, it is. It's the West side. Sorry, Andrew. I was trying to get some wagering going there.

Andrew 39:50

I would have taken it.

Pat 39:52

We're back to tie. Kendrew, like native Americans, many Mongolians follow what type of Mystic Healer, whose name means'he who knows'? Like native Americans, many Mongolians follow. What type of mystic healer, whose name means'he who knows'?

Kenji 40:07

That's gotta be Shaman, right? And the Shaman is a gate Gateway Disc.

Andrew 40:12

I love it.

Kenji 40:13

Yeah.

Pat 40:14

You agree with that, Andrew?

Andrew 40:15

Yep.

Pat 40:16

You are correct. Now you're in the lead. Question six, this is for the pros. Because they stole people's food, the word mouse gets its name from a Sanskrit word for what? Because they stole people's food, the word mouse gets its name from a Sanskrit word for what?

Jaimen 40:32

The Thief? The Thief is a disc.

Jasan 40:35

Yeah, That's what I was thinking.

Pat 40:36

Final Answer?

Noise 40:37

Yeah/Sure.

Pat 40:38

Is the thief a disc?

Noise 40:40

Yes. Yeah.

Pat 40:42

You want to wager a point on the company, you said who?

Jaimen 40:44

It's dynamic?

Jasan 40:45

Yeah.

Pat 40:48

All right. Halfway through four-four. Question seven, Ken Kandrew. The name of what Greek goddess of vengeance is now used to mean an unbeatable rival? The name of what Greek Goddess of vengeance is now used to mean an unbeatable rival?

Kenji 41:05

Unbeatable Rival? It's not a nemesis is it? Have any ideas, andrew?

Andrew 41:13

It's like I'm racking my brain for what's an unbeatable rival.

Pat 41:16

Yeah. We haven't played in a match in a while, so.

Kenji 41:19

The Valkyrie is the Valkyrie Greek goddess of vengeance. I don't think so,

Pat 41:25

10 seconds.

Kenji 41:27

What do you think Valkyrie? Nemesis? Any ideas?

Andrew 41:32

I feel like nemesis is closer. I'm kinda on the fence.

Kenji 41:37

Let's go nemesis, Pat.

Pat 41:38

Is the nemesis a disc?

Kenji 41:41

Yeah. Yes. Yes. It's a disc, Pat.

Pat 41:44

Legacy discs, February, 2015 pros, question 8, what title character joins snow white against her evil stepmother Queen Ravina in a 2012 film?

Jaimen 41:55

What's that called?

Pat 41:57

What title character joined snow white against her evil stepmother Queen Ravina in a 2012 film?

Jaimen 42:02

Trying to think what the name of that movie was. Do you remember Jason? Oh, wait. Malifacent.

Jasan 42:10

Yeah, I think you're right,

Jaimen 42:12

I don't know.

Jasan 42:13

That sounds, yeah. That's what I was thinking of.

Jaimen 42:16

All right. I'm all right with that. Unless it's a dwarf.

Pat 42:20

You guys good?

Jaimen 42:21

Malifacent, I don't even know if I'm saying it right.

Jasan 42:24

That was the movie, right?

Jaimen 42:25

That was the name of the movie. Yeah.

Jasan 42:27

I didn't see it though, so.

Jaimen 42:28

I didn't either, but that would be the title character, but wouldn't that be like the step mother was that I don't know. I could be talking about the wrong movie completely.

Jasan 42:37

Unless I can phone a friend. I got nothing better.

Jaimen 42:39

Yeah. I don't either.

Jasan 42:41

Let's go with that, Pat.

Pat 42:43

Kandrew?

Kenji 42:44

Oh, I know. It's the Woodsman.

Pat 42:46

What title character joined snow white against her evil stepmother Queen Ravina in a 2012 film?

Kenji 42:51

Andrew, It's the woodsman, It's a disc.

Andrew 42:53

I believe it.

Kenji 42:54

Westside, right? Another Westside disc..

Andrew 42:57

It's definitely the West side

Kenji 42:58

Final Answer, Pat.

Pat 42:59

What was your final answer?

Kenji 43:00

Woodsman, woodsman.

Pat 43:01

I'm sorry. It's the Huntsman. Snow White and the Huntsman.

Kenji 43:08

So close. I thought I had that.

Andrew 43:09

So close.

Pat 43:10

Kenji, is the Huntsman a disc?

Kenji 43:12

I don't know. The Woodsman's a disc, right? Isn't that a Westside disc?

Jaimen 43:16

The Boatman's a disc.

Pat 43:18

The Huntsman. March 10th, 20 21. 4th circle discs

Jasan 43:23

What? Last week?

Kenji 43:24

I thought I had that, Andrew. Sorry.

Andrew 43:27

I think you did it. You had it in my heart for sure.

Kenji 43:30

I knew exactly. What's his name, Thor Chris Hemsworth

Pat 43:33

So, we got four questions left. I got Andrew at six pro's at four. And this is for Kendrew right?

Kenji 43:43

Yeah.

Pat 43:44

Question nine. St. Joseph of Aramathia, who requested Jesus's body from Pontius Pilot, is the patron Saint of what workers? Saint Joseph of Aramathea, who requested Jesus's body from Pontius Pilot is the patron Saint of what workers?

Kenji 44:00

I am not at all religious. Slave, is the slave a disc? It's the only thing that kind of, patrons Saint of what? Repeat that question one more time, Pat.

Pat 44:09

Certainly, St. Joseph of Aramathea, who requested Jesus's body from Pontius Pilot, is the patron Saint of what workers?

Andrew 44:17

Coroner, Mortician.

Kenji 44:19

What workers are going to be back then. Really?

Andrew 44:23

Grave diggers.

Pat 44:25

Got About 10 seconds.

Andrew 44:26

Is a grave Digger a disc?

Kenji 44:28

Is a grave Digger a disc? I have no idea. It's a Monster car. I drive by when to go out to the outer banks. Is that your feeling is it grave Digger? In Jesus' time?

Andrew 44:40

If my mom could not listen to this.

Kenji 44:43

I don't think that sounds right. I don't know. I'm clueless, the only thing I thought was Slave but I don't even know if the slave is a disc.

Andrew 44:51

I hope not.

Kenji 44:52

Your call.

Pat 44:53

The final answer grave digger?

Andrew 44:55

Yeah.

Pat 44:56

Pros, what do you guys think?

Jaimen 44:57

All right. Jason, I think I got it.

Pat 44:59

St. Joseph of Aramathea, who requested Jesus's body from Pontius Pilot is the patron Saint of what workers?

Jasan 45:04

What you got, Jaimen?

Jaimen 45:06

Undertaker.

Jasan 45:09

That's what I was thinking too.

Pat 45:10

Is the Undertaker a disc?

Jaimen 45:12

Yes.

Jasan 45:13

Oh yeah.

Kenji 45:14

Oh, we were so closed.

Pat 45:16

You are Correct.

Jaimen 45:17

I had no idea until you said grave Digger. I was like, oh.

Andrew 45:22

Besides the word. Do they have a different job?

Pat 45:25

What's that? Is the Grave Digger a disc?

Andrew 45:28

Is a grave Digger, a undertaker, are they like the same person?

Kenji 45:32

No.

Andrew 45:32

Okay, Cool.

Pat 45:34

Question 10 for the pros. Each year, Marines must score 250 at a 350 on a point scale to qualify for what title? Each year Marines must score 250 out of 350 on a point scale to qualify for what title?

Jaimen 45:48

I know nothing about the army or more specifically the Marines.

Jasan 45:54

Trying to think of anything specific to Marines.

Jaimen 45:57

Is the cadet a Marine thing?

Jasan 45:58

Maybe Sergeant or.

Jaimen 46:00

Oh that might be. That's a disc, yeah.

Jasan 46:03

Can you repeat the question one more time, Pat?

Pat 46:05

Each year Marines must score 250 out of 350 on a point scale to qualify for what title?

Jaimen 46:11

I wonder do they have to do that every year

Pat 46:13

Yes.

Jaimen 46:14

So it's not officer or anything like that, that would be a one-time test.

Jasan 46:18

Yeah. I don't think a title would be, although I really don't know. No idea.

Jaimen 46:22

Yeah. Sergeant sounds good. I don't think it's right, but it's more than I've got.

Pat 46:28

Candrew, what do you guys think?

Kenji 46:31

I'm in the same boat as they are Andrew?

Andrew 46:33

Yeah.

Kenji 46:34

It's not like a rank. It's gotta be something different.

Andrew 46:39

Isn't like the term, Leatherneck in the military? I don't think it's that but it's something like that.

Kenji 46:43

A leatherneck is another term for Marine, but is that a title? A Leatherneck?

Andrew 46:47

Maybe in like Marine world?

Kenji 46:50

Sure. We'll go with Leatherneck.

Andrew 46:51

I don't know if it, I don't know if that's it, but I think it might be something like that.

Kenji 46:54

Pat, let's go Leatherneck.

Pat 46:57

We were looking for marksman millennium discs October 1st, 2018. Going into the last two questions. Kendrew is at six. The pros are at six.

Kenji 47:07

All right.

Jasan 47:08

Close match.

Pat 47:09

Question 11. This is for Kandrew, Kendrew. Which chess piece is Der springer in German? Which chess piece is Der springer in German?

Kenji 47:21

That's a guess to me Andrew. I have No idea.

Andrew 47:25

Maybe we can narrow it down.

Pat 47:27

Der Springer just won a tournament today.

Jaimen 47:30

Where's Springer?

Pat 47:33

Der Springer.

Andrew 47:34

I'm thinking like knight, maybe. I don't think it's pawn,

Kenji 47:39

I was thinking knight or pawn. I don't know Is that something like a horse?

Andrew 47:45

Yeah. Yeah. That's what, yeah. That's what came to my mind.

Pat 47:48

Is the Knight a disc?

Kenji 47:49

Alright, I don't know.

Andrew 47:52

I've never heard of the night as a disc, but that's not saying very much.

Kenji 47:58

There's so many weird companies out there. You'd think that someone would name a Knight. There's a night stalker, right? But is there a night like K I N G H T? What do you think? No, Andrew?

Andrew 48:14

I'm thinking, No, but.

Kenji 48:15

No? Alright Pat. No it's not a disc

Jaimen 48:17

Yes it is

Pat 48:18

Latitude 64, February 25th, 2016.

Andrew 48:22

It's certainly not a Discraft disc, that's for sure.

Jaimen 48:25

It's a Superfast, understable driver.

Pat 48:28

Alright, Final Question. Kendrew is at 7 The pros are at six. Producer, Phil Spector played the guitar solo on what R and B vocal groups, 1963, top 10 hit, On Broadway? Producer Phil Spector played the guitar solo on what R and B vocal groups, 1963, top 10 hit, On Broadway?

Jaimen 48:50

Yikes. All right, Jason, 1960s, R and B groups go...

Jasan 48:56

Jaimen you're the music guy. Come on.

Jaimen 49:00

No, I'm not. I play an instrument. I don't listen to music.

Jasan 49:03

So 63 R&B it's before my time.

Pat 49:06

Producer, Phil Spector played the guitar solo on what R and B vocal groups, 1963, top 10 hit,On Broadway.

Jasan 49:13

It's on Broadway. Does that help?

Jaimen 49:15

Is that the name of the song?

Pat 49:17

Yes. The name of the song is. On Broadway.

Jasan 49:19

Oh.

Jaimen 49:20

Thinking of discs.

Jasan 49:22

Wait, what was the question?

Pat 49:24

Producer. Phil Spector played the guitar solo on what R and B vocal groups. 1963, top 10 hit comma on Broadway. Worded it poorly, I'm sorry.

Jasan 49:34

We're looking for the name of the song? The name of the RNB group.

Pat 49:38

We're looking at the name of the RNB group that sang the song. On Broadway.

Jaimen 49:42

I don't know any RNB group names.

Jasan 49:44

I think it was like sixties. The Supremes?

Jaimen 49:47

As good of a guess as I could have

Jasan 49:49

Not really R&B but I guess Diana Ross and the Supremes.

Pat 49:52

Final answer.

Jasan 49:53

I got nothing better, Jaimen.

Jaimen 49:56

No, I got nothing better.

Pat 49:57

Kendrew. What do you got?

Kenji 49:59

All right. We're winners. I have no idea. Temptations. What other R and B groups of the 60's?

Andrew 50:08

Yeah. Supremes, temptations, dramatics, drifters, Four Seasons,

Kenji 50:13

Four Tops.

Andrew 50:15

Four tops.

Pat 50:16

Drifter, the drifter, the drifters technically, but. Is the drifter a disc?

Kenji 50:22

I don't know, is it a disc? Is that what we're picking? It doesn't matter. If you wanna write it.

Pat 50:25

Full turn discs. March 8th, 2017.

Jaimen 50:28

Oh, there's also a drift.

Pat 50:33

Oh yeah. Congratulations Kandrew.

Andrew 50:37

Ooh.

Jaimen 50:38

Last year we saw a huge growth of the sport in DisCapland. The area has seen a lot of courses installed and a ton of new players. While the new courses are playable, many lack signage, and don't have tee pads, let's finish our local courses this year. Finishing them is going to take everyone's help. Get ready to see a ton of work days posted in the coming months. Jeff and I are putting together an invite only event for the fall as a thank you to everyone who helps this year. All you need to do to get an invite is help out. Showing up to any Workday to help us make your courses great will get you on the list. I understand that helping at workdays might not be possible for everyone. So it isn't the only way you can get on that list. You all have skills that can help make the sport better in the region and I couldn't begin to know what all of those skillsets are. If you have a skill set, you think would be helpful, but need to be pointed in the right direction, please reach out and I'll help you make it happen. So that was my post.

Kenji 51:32

It's call out the volunteers. We've definitely seen a pickup in people who are coming out and trying to help and whatnot. But for years there was the same small group of people that are out every single time at all the work days.

Jasan 51:43

Yeah.

Pat 51:44

What kind of event you thinking about?

Jaimen 51:45

I don't know exactly how it would run, probably be like a one round trickle start thing you show up whenever you want to. But right now we're planning on doing it Greg's courses. Greg has some land that he owns and he's built two courses on it. One's a really challenging high blue level course. And the other one's a par 54. You can play it like four times in a day type. Of course. And Greg being the patron Saint of volunteers loves the idea of us having it at his place. So basically I'm gonna reach out to a brewery and see if I can get a keg donated. We're gonna have a barbecue and all sorts of CTP prizes and stuff, just to thank everybody for all of the work that they're doing to help us make everything possible. So much of the area is built completely on volunteer support. So I think that we should thank them.

Kenji 52:34

It's a great idea.

Jasan 52:35

Yeah.

Jaimen 52:35

And I got to give Jeff a lot of credit for it. When I first thought of the idea it was a little mean-spirited I guess I wanted to make the volunteer list like privately and then invite everybody at the end of the year and not tell anybody about it. But I realized that was not the right way to do that. As a teacher, one of the things that we focus on a lot is intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation. So whether you're doing something for the reward of it or doing it because you want to do it, you think it's the right thing to do. And at the end of the day, I don't care with disc golf. Yeah, if you helped me build a tee pad I don't care if you're motivated to do it because it's the right thing to do. The bottom line is you're helping a ton of people and you're making everybody else's life easier in the process. Obviously I tend to be a pretty intrinsically motivated person with disc golf, but I understand that's not realistic, with everybody people are playing it for fun. Nobody got into this sport and said, man, I hope that someday somebody lets me build a tee pad. Kind of bait and switch.

Pat 53:35

So your Jaimen words of the day are intrinsic extrinsic that is sponsored by Craig's disk. The Jaimen's word of the day. Is there a possibility of donating money instead of time?

Jaimen 53:47

Yes, absolutely. That was the last part of it is that I don't know what everybody's great at. Some people are really great at. Graphic design and can design T signs. One person said they had some kind of a plasma cutter and they can cut metal, so they'd be able to do stuff with that. Everybody's got these skills that if somebody without those skills trying to do it, it would take forever and it wouldn't look good. So anybody who can do anything at all is more than welcome, and that will definitely get them on that list.

Pat 54:14

I think one of the biggest issues with disc golf is a lack of communication. Kenji you, were you saying that at the last tournament, you relied too much on Facebook?

Kenji 54:23

Yeah. And we do cause if you're plugged in you know, you see that stuff, but if you're not, you don't.

Pat 54:29

But what's the alternative?

Kenji 54:30

I thought the forum was much better than Facebook, but the forums just went out the window. Nobody really uses forums too much anymore. We got a discord. I don't visit it too often, but some people use it, but it's not like it was, I dunno, it's hard to find information on Facebook. It's good to communicate with people that people are paying attention, but hard to find information.

Pat 54:56

People basically, yeah, one of two things you got money or your time, and just because you've got time to help at least giving the ability to donate money. Cause that's going to buy your materials too. Sure. And again you just don't have that time.

Jaimen 55:12

Know just the practical sense that I can't build a tee pad if I can't buy the stuff to make it first.

Kenji 55:18

Yeah. We've put up some new support, new courses like prospects expanding. We see the work that they uncovered the Troy sign out there. We put up like a donation button for that on our website and for the new Scotland course that we're walking in play the other day, that's going to be getting baskets really soon. They need money for tee pads and everything. And I say, it's been, I've been surprised. We've been getting a lot of donations. I literally deposit a$2,500 check today, came in for a. The new Scotland chorus. I was like, wow. That's awesome.

Jaimen 55:51

That is awesome.

Pat 55:51

Well, It's kind of rainy over there. So I hear the really good on golf.

Kenji 55:55

15 minutes outside of colony. Not sure how familiar are with up here, Pat.

Pat 55:59

No, I know Ravina

Kenji 56:04

No, this is like North of Ravina.

Pat 56:07

Only. Cause I get off the exit that says Ravina and I know I'm in Albany County when I go to Jay park. Mine kill. I know I go through Hunter. It's weird mine kill is always different. I go one way and then I full circle coming back. I usually go through a Hunter.

Jasan 56:21

Yeah. We're 23 go past Caterskill falls.

Pat 56:26

Yeah. Yeah. That's fun. I never really thought about that way. Jaimen with volunteers using their skills. Cause you don't even know have you gotten any weird requests or. Offers yet. I know it's early, but.

Jaimen 56:38

So not super weird, but we did have a guy who posted on a DisCap forum that he had said he had played Crandall and was willing to hand paint tee signs for Crandall. Which is, yeah, it was one of those things I was blown away. It was the first time anybody had really reached out with something like that to me. But the unfortunate part of it was we already have somebody making Tee signs. So we have another person donating that.

Pat 56:59

Yeah. And that goes back to the communication. Like, one of the biggest things that beacon, especially early on was just people and I'm sure they still do. They just do stuff, and it's like, Oh, that's great. If you had let us know ahead of time, we might've been able to do it better and bigger cause the course might've been able to fund it. You know what I mean? Like you'll show up one day and just be like, wow, there's a new blah, blah blah. It's nice. You're not going to turn it down, but.

Jaimen 57:22

A hundred percent. So what I told this guy was that we already have somebody doing the T signs, but I think that might be a really good fundraising thing where we could find some really memorable holes in the area and have you hand paint tee signs for those and then auction them off or something like that.

Pat 57:39

I don't know, maybe the dream 18?

Jaimen 57:42

This was right around that time. So I don't know exactly which one came first, but yeah, that would, that's a great way to tie that in, but I haven't talked to him in a while, so it has not happened yet, but be on the lookout for raffles in the next one to seven years.

Jasan 57:59

Went to Stony Kill yesterday to help out a little bit there's some awesome terrain back there. I never knew existed.

Jaimen 58:04

There really is.

Kenji 58:05

I haven't walked it in quite a while, but there's a ton of land.

Jasan 58:10

Yeah, a little waterfall they're incorporating in. There's these huge ravines that you throw over. I was just, I wasn't expecting it. I was really impressed by the terrain that Jean has to work with.

Jaimen 58:21

Yeah. That first par 4 when you go into the woods is going to be a fun hole.

Jasan 58:25

Yeah. That needs a bridge.

Jaimen 58:27

It does. Were you there when the tree was already down or were they ratchet strapping the tree down when you were there?

Jasan 58:32

I was there yesterday around noon.

Jaimen 58:35

Okay. So there was this pretty big half dead, I think it was a maple tree, that was maybe 110 hundred and 20 feet off the tee pad. And it made just this perfect four foot wide gap that nobody was ever going to throw through on purpose. And so they, cut it down to make it an, actually a really nice drive, but it got hung up in a tree and we just left it there overnight and hope that when everybody came back the next day it would have been on the ground, but it wasn't. So they hooked up a ratchet strap to another tree and pulled it down that way.

Jasan 59:06

Oh, nice. Yeah, I saw that actually a strap on the side of the trail. I don't know, two ton come along or something with it too.

Jaimen 59:14

Yeah. Yeah.

Jasan 59:15

Yeah. That's one way to get tree down.

Kenji 59:19

We got to do that with the tree on J park. Old number 17.

Jaimen 59:24

Okay. Yeah. So 24, right?

Kenji 59:27

24.

Jaimen 59:27

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, no, that tree needs more than that.

Kenji 59:32

That same tree is now leaning and it's like totally diagonal across the fairway.

Jaimen 59:37

Oh, I know.

Jasan 59:37

What Hole?

Jaimen 59:38

Old 17. That tree that's like falling down. The last two times I played that hole I actually hit that tree and I was pretty incensed. It's like leaning directly across the fairway.

Kenji 59:50

Yeah, it's right in the line.

Jasan 59:51

One lesson learned with come along is this, make sure you wrap around the tree. I made a mistake of putting this long lag into a tree and tried to pull it over and the lag pulled out. And it was like a bullet.

Kenji 1:00:03

Oh yeah. I can imagine. Yeah. big flying Spike.

Jasan 1:00:09

And we were pulling it with a truck. We have a small track. We tried everything and that was on top of that. And it was really hung up behind my house. Where I was cutting some holes and yeah, lesson learned, you gotta wrap a chain around. it and do it. Now, everything I do is with heavy duty chains.

Kenji 1:00:25

Yeah. Be careful of stored tension. I took a log to the face at central park

Jasan 1:00:31

I remember that. Yeah. It was like when I first started playing probably like 2015, 16 got a Shiner from it, right?

Kenji 1:00:39

Yeah. Yeah. I just, I caught a log and I didn't realize how much stored tension in it and it flung a lot further than I thought it would when I caught it.

Jaimen 1:00:47

Yeah, that stuffs no joke. My dad hosts a game of logging course every year on his property. If you ever want to come up and learn how to not kill ourselves,

Kenji 1:00:59

I got to say I'm pretty careful. I know that's probably the biggest mistake I've made.

Jaimen 1:01:03

Except for that one time, the log almost took your head off.

Kenji 1:01:07

It was like a punch in the face. What's going on with beacon?

Pat 1:01:11

I know Dubs are starting up on Wednesday this week and that's really it right.

Andrew 1:01:15

As far as I know, I think yeah.

Pat 1:01:17

They're some other, like less formal there's always the Friday social and all that.

Andrew 1:01:22

I'm not sure, there are more tee pads but a lot of Tee pads got put in. I'm sure y'all have talked about it.

Pat 1:01:27

Hole one though. Got decimated. Did you see that? Behind it?

Andrew 1:01:30

No,

Jaimen 1:01:30

Oh, all those Vine Trees.

Pat 1:01:32

They're gone. You can basically walk through there's it's they're gone. When's the last time you played?

Andrew 1:01:38

Maybe two weeks ago.

Pat 1:01:39

I played once. Earlier this week, I want to say maybe it was last week. Either one. It was within that two weeks and behind hole one. There were trees down and cut, and then there's like nothing behind the basket anymore. Really big empty. Yeah. Yeah.

Andrew 1:01:52

Whoa.

Jaimen 1:01:53

Those were covered in a lot of really big vines..

Pat 1:01:55

If you overshot the basket by 10 feet, you didn't really have a shot.

Jaimen 1:02:00

Yeah, I remember it.

Pat 1:02:02

Now it's wide open.

Jaimen 1:02:03

Yeah, so with vines like that, they'll cause trees even like really healthy ones to fall over a lot faster and break faster than you would expect them to because it's a lot of extra weight up there that the tree isn't built for.

Pat 1:02:20

Less than a year ago, one of them came down and took out the basket. They're these kind of fell over to the side. So they're not even in the way, in fact, it's a little barrier behind to that side, but it's much cleaner. So now if you go along, you just have a, I might have a 20 footer unobstructed though.

Jaimen 1:02:38

I really like Beacon. Last time I went down there, I had to play Jim Coyle on a Match. And I forgot about the Island hole. So I threw my drive. I was like, Oh, that's okay. He's yeah, you might be in what are you talking about? I wasn't in.

Kenji 1:02:53

Trying to be nice.

Pat 1:02:54

Happy St. Paddy's Day!, Sweet Up! Hudson Valley and get well soon Don Bucko. Thank you guys.

Kenji 1:03:14

Did anybody else watch any of the coverage yet? Do you care? If I spoil it? Nico did good. Are you familiar with Waco? The 17th hole is like a dogleg, right with a peninsula kind of green, water left. So he throws a forehand off the tee, way, wide and low. And it skips four times to just get back in bounds, like unbelievably lucky skips to make it back in bounds. And then he's got kale right behind him that's one stroke down. So he got super lucky off the tee. Kale had driven before him and put a drive straight out to the corner so that all he has is a straight, mid range out to the peninsula, which he's super smooth with that straight shot with no problem for him. He threw it far enough not to have to bend it at all. And then Niko throws his upshot and he comes up a hundred feet short because he had to go around the corner. Kale makes a shot, goes past the basket a little bit, maybe 20, 25 feet past. And then doesn't Nico throw like this little short, mid range kind of flex shot from about a hundred, 120 feet into the basket to not let Cale take a stroke off. Unbelievable. How lucky he got.

Jaimen 1:04:34

Excited to see that.

Kenji 1:04:36

Yeah, I was watching Jomez Final 9, was real cool. Nico was on fire. He birdied the first seven holes and then he missed a putt and then he was in his head for the next six holes. He missed four, in the circle putts, after that.

Jaimen 1:04:51

Did you look at the scoring of anybody else?

Kenji 1:04:55

No, I didn't just besides the lead card?

Jaimen 1:04:57

So I was watching the live scoring on UDisc live. The thing that stood out to me was Ricky's round. He started off with double bogey. I'm pulling it up right now, but I want to say, I know for a fact that he had two pars the entire round and they were right next to each other and everything else after that was either a bogey, double bogey, triple bogey, or a birdie or an Eagle. So, he went double bogey.

Kenji 1:05:18

He went Double Bogey on 1?

Jasan 1:05:20

Yeah, he threw a that's where I left off. He threw like a Hyzer went OB, and then he threw a forehand and.

Kenji 1:05:27

Did it roll OB?

Jasan 1:05:29

No then he, I think he putted, and then missed the putt and went OB.

Kenji 1:05:34

Oh!

Jaimen 1:05:35

So yeah, so he went double, single bogey, eight birdies with an Eagle in the middle.

Kenji 1:05:41

That's through all the wooded stuff, that's great.

Jaimen 1:05:43

Yeah, and then double bogey, par, triple bogey birdie, bogey. So he finished at three under and he had a stretch to where he was 10 under.

Kenji 1:05:54

That's wow.

Jaimen 1:05:56

Which is insane.

Jasan 1:05:57

Man, that course looks brutal.

Jaimen 1:06:00

It does. I've heard a lot of conversations about the course in general.

Jasan 1:06:06

Yeah, man, I haven't played it.

Kenji 1:06:07

Just gotta stay on the fairways.

Jasan 1:06:09

Yeah. Hole 4's like that really tight tunnel. Par four, I feel like you're 10 feet left or right where you need to land. You're just cut off.

Jaimen 1:06:19

Yeah. There was a lot of that. I like how mean the rough is. I really liked that natural OB. It reminds me a lot of Beaver State Fling where you're very seldomly getting out and forward in the same shot.

Jasan 1:06:32

You pitching back to the fairway.

Jaimen 1:06:34

Yeah. I liked that aspect of it, but I haven't played the course myself, so I can't say too much. I did see a video of germ bouncing his drive off the basket on hole 18 and having it roll back into the water. Oh yeah.

Jasan 1:06:50

I saw a Macbeth on the first hole skipped off the top of the basket and went OB.

Kenji 1:06:58

Wow.

Jaimen 1:06:59

Kona is, she's really the talk of the event. She finished 12th strokes, clear of second place.

Kenji 1:07:06

Wow.

Jaimen 1:07:07

Yeah. So yeah, she shot 16 down for the weekend and then Ohn Scoggins was four down. Paige Pierce was only one down.

Jasan 1:07:15

Yeah. Not her style course.

Jaimen 1:07:19

It's cool to see so many people from the Northeast in the event though. I saw Casey white was there, nick. Carl was there. Dan Brooks Wells was there. Yeah.

Jasan 1:07:28

Mark

Jaimen 1:07:30

Yep. And then a Pennsylvania guy. I forgot his name, but I'm looking for it. Discmania players. Super nice guy. Mike Carmen was there too.

Kenji 1:07:40

I was just watching Jomez coverage.

Jaimen 1:07:43

I always like watching the tournament because it does lead to a lot of scoring separation. How challenging some of those woods holes are?

Kenji 1:07:49

I started watching Simon's companion feed. That was cool. I like how he did that. He was up in the corner talking about it and stuff.

Jaimen 1:07:58

That's interesting

Jasan 1:08:00

Either you guys do the skip Ace picks.

Kenji 1:08:03

No, I haven't gotten into that yet.

Jaimen 1:08:05

Yeah. I haven't done a league since our win a disc league. Jason.

Jasan 1:08:10

Another reason that I watch coverage, I was like, all right. Rooting for somebody.

Pat 1:08:14

How'd you do?

Jasan 1:08:15

Not too great, Waco. Jess talked me into picking Haley King when I wanted to pick Kona. And I was like, ah, so we've been arguing about it all weekend.

Pat 1:08:24

Wow. He just put that out there for 10 of people to listen to.

Jasan 1:08:29

I've been picking Brody Smith though. He's been doing well. Shooting, pretty hot rounds.

Jaimen 1:08:34

Did you hear his Nate Sexton podcast?

Jasan 1:08:37

No.

Jaimen 1:08:38

He said that he doesn't care about this year just for the future.

Jasan 1:08:42

All right He's off my picks.

Jaimen 1:08:45

His eyes on 2022.

Jasan 1:08:47

The 10 20. Golf's not good enough for him?

Jaimen 1:08:50

I guess not. He thinks that he's really going to be vying for some titles next year, which is going to be my excuse from now on also.

Andrew 1:08:58

Do you think, if he wins a tournament, it's going to be like big news, like it's going to be on ESPN or anything, or is it just going to be like, Hey, another dude, won a tournament?

Jaimen 1:09:06

The PDGA announced three people's ratings, this ratings update. One of them is the highest rated male on the planet. One's the highest rated female ever. And the other one's Brody Smith at 1,002. Yeah. I think they're going to make a huge deal if he wins anything above a B-Tier.

Andrew 1:09:22

Yeah.

Kenji 1:09:23

Do you think he will? I don't think he will this year. I don't know.

Jaimen 1:09:26

I think he might win like an A-Tier.

Kenji 1:09:28

Yeah, maybe an A-Tier, nothing up there. The big events. Pro Tours and NT's.

Jaimen 1:09:34

No, his interview with Nate. Sexton was pretty interesting. He feels that all of the pros are not getting paid enough, basically.

Andrew 1:09:42

Sure.

Jaimen 1:09:43

Which yeah. Being a pro, that makes a lot of sense.

Andrew 1:09:46

Probably makes them more than them just doing.YouTube.

Pat 1:09:48

Who's supposed to pay them?

Jaimen 1:09:50

Well. And that's the question. Should the companies be paying them more or should the purses be more? And I think his answer is yes to both.

Kenji 1:09:56

I don't think we're there yet.

Jaimen 1:09:58

No. I think one of the things with disc golf and Jack could be here to talk for 25 minutes about this one is that disc golf right now is funded by disc golfers. So everything that we tend to do happens because other disc golfers allow it to whether it be payouts for events, all that kind of stuff. And until we're getting money from other places, we're not going to really be able to grow in a sustainable way.

Kenji 1:10:20

Agreed

Andrew 1:10:21

So just like more like sponsorships from.

Jaimen 1:10:23

From Non Disc Golf entities.

Andrew 1:10:24

Yeah. Okay.

Pat 1:10:25

More recognition of the sport.

Jaimen 1:10:27

Absolutely.

Pat 1:10:28

Like Jack was talking about with the skateboarding. And I only realized that after editing. I always have my best follow-up questions during the editing process, but he was talking about skateboards and everybody had a skateboard. So everybody knew skateboard, I don't know how this golf it's just like golf. It'll I think it'll always be a fringe sport.

Kenji 1:10:46

It definitely exploded last year.

Pat 1:10:48

At least regular golf, you can have a gallery, disc golf, you're limited.

Jaimen 1:10:52

Yeah, I don't think it's going to get to golf's level anytime soon. Just the amount of money that they put into the production alone. I think somebody said recently is so significantly higher than anything that the disc golf pro tour does ever that it's going to take a very long time to get anywhere near there if we ever do. But I also think that we're growing in a very different way.

Kenji 1:11:13

We don't have to be golf.

Jaimen 1:11:15

I don't want to be golf.

Kenji 1:11:16

No.

Jaimen 1:11:16

I'd like to have a restaurant on the course, but that's about it.

Kenji 1:11:19

Yeah. Yeah. Me too. Even like golf, I don't even I don't get thrilled about watching the golf course disc golf courses, they're less interesting to me.

Jaimen 1:11:31

Yeah