Bijkomen

Trigger warning: getriggerde ptss van seksueel misbruik door grensoverschrijding rondom punctie (8:45-12:38)

Tamar en Sophie zijn aan het bijkomen van de punctie. Sophie moet zich door een berg achterstallig werk heen worstelen, maar is eigenlijk alleen maar aan het wachten op de terugplaatsing. Tamar kreeg last van haar ptss door de grensoverschrijding rondom de punctie.

Sophie vertelt verder dat het binnenkort (ten tijde van de opname) Trans Parent Day is en wil alvast een cadeautje van Tamar. En Tamar durfde rond te kijken op de baby-afdeling van een winkelketen en vraagt zich af of er queer-inclusieve 9 maanden-boeken bestaan.

Besproken in deze aflevering:

• Blastocysten vs. driedaagse embryo's: zie deze infobrochure van het UZGent (p. 7-9) of lees deze Engelstalige blogpost

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Afleveringen in deze podcast komen ongeveer vier weken na opname online, zodat Tamar en Sophie de tijd hebben om gebeurtenissen te verwerken voordat de rest van de wereld zich ermee kan bemoeien. Deze aflevering werd opgenomen op vrijdag 1 november.

Heb jij een vraag voor Tamar en Sophie over hun ervaringen met ivf? Vraag je je af hoe Tamar en Sophie een actuele kwestie op het gebied van ouderschap, fertiliteit, feminisme, transgender en/of handicap zouden duiden? Of wil je graag een eigen ervaring delen? Stuur dan je vraag (als tekst of als voicememo) op via tamarensophie at gmail.com of via social media.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

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Speaker 2: 0:36

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Speaker 1: 0:55

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Speaker 3: 6:02

and horn. Oh, fun. Yeah. Duh. De de emoji fun. Yeah.[inaudible] uh, VOC to in that.

Speaker 1: 6:10

Yeah. I'm leaving a door. Can I have your thoughts?[inaudible] emotional Blackstone's. Oh yeah. Cool. Yeah. Um, and that's,

Speaker 3: 6:19

let's help. Neat. And it's in the walk hand, multiple on the phone to know, to hit. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's actually, they know you had a main mature, mature, conducted a full lunch on me. Basement door commandments.[inaudible].

Speaker 1: 6:39

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Speaker 3: 6:44

yeah. That's probably, we all kind of here. Yeah. And addition to like, yeah. Bill Spelman's, uh, was like, fuck me. Fuck. Y'all could check from, uh, from[inaudible].

Speaker 1: 6:56

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Speaker 3: 7:36

yeah. Yeah. Was he the uncle stuff had to be a cockapoo.

Speaker 1: 7:40

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Speaker 3: 8:36

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:38

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Speaker 3: 15:49

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 15:50

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Speaker 3: 16:16

yeah.[inaudible]

Speaker 1: 16:18

right. Yeah. It's a, sure.

Speaker 3: 16:22

Oh, for[inaudible]

Speaker 1: 16:25

[inaudible] yeah. In order to quartz an out of your office stills. This does this best Snell over here. Yeah. Yeah. There's eye tremor evidence black.

Speaker 3: 16:35

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 16:37

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Speaker 3: 17:32

They kept the Ubers craving, um, Andy[inaudible], but happy to answer all about it. That top stuff.

Speaker 1: 17:46

Right, and look how it needs clash. That show me photo.

Speaker 3: 17:52

Okay. Later if up transparent Bay is the, uh, asked us one back in November, just stopped this, uh, in November, uh, this day was first established in 2009 and is a day to celebrate and honor transgender parents instead of the traditional mothers or fathers date today. Today also today, today there's an accident[inaudible] uh, it also includes parents who have trans gender children. There's a out of Allentown skins that needs a transparent day for ya. And this day typically typically involves small celebrations and gift giving to one's parent. Okay. Caregiver VA

Speaker 1: 18:46

says lucky[inaudible] of Moda and of transparency. Yeah. That will do. And again, just as a Google and[inaudible] Facebook offense core affinity, it's or L L a gender queer parenting don't binary parent's day[inaudible] of flopper appeal. This, uh,[inaudible] shift for April.

Speaker 4: 19:19

Real numb

Speaker 1: 19:21

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Speaker 3: 20:20

and, and uh, uh, about the infrasound is trans parent day is just up to yesterday. Doc from the tons gender, uh, awareness.

Speaker 1: 20:33

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Speaker 5: 28:28

Okay.

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