PodPast | Ukrainian Returns Home Days Before War - Escapes Back To Vietnam | Anastasia Sokyrka S8E8

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I met Anastasia Sokyrka in Government Quarantine in 2020 at the start of the pandemic. You can listen to my episode with her and my wife, Adrie, about our experiences while we were living them.

Since then we have become close friends, a silver lining of a tough experience (17 days with no mattress, no air con and no booze!)

Finally, after two years of the pandemic Anastasia was able to return to her home of Ukraine and reunite with her family. Despite the fact that Russia was escalating it's forces on the Ukrainian border and the threat of was was real, Anastasia needed to see her family and take that risk.

Unfortunately, 5 days after she arrived she awoke at 5am to the sound of the first rocket attack and her life changed in an instant.

In this episode Anastasia shares in detail;
* why she made the decision to return home
* what it felt like to be under attack and sheltering in her basement
* how her family escaped from Kharkiv and eventually made it to the Polish border
* the reality of being a refugee and having to leave behind your home and family members
* how she was able to return to Vietnam with her mother

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Transcript

2:12

Hey, it's new here. Right now, as you know, we're on a big break with a Vietnam podcast, but I want to keep sharing podcasts with you. And I haven't done one of these in a while. So today I'm going to share with you a pod past, which is one of our episodes back from the archives. This one isn't that old, but I wanted to share it anyway to keep the message out there that there is a war in Ukraine right now. And I want to support my good friend anesthesia. So cure. So go in the links in the show notes, you can donate to support your cream, or if you want to book a photo shoot with anesthesia, she's an amazingly talented photographer and she will be donating all the profits that she makes from photography back to her family and people who need it in Ukraine. So check out this podcast, episode of anesthesia story I thought she went back to Ukraine for the first time in years, only five days before the war broke out and how she was able to flee Ukraine and get back to Vietnam with her mother. But sadly her dad and our grant are still in Ukraine right now. Enjoy the episode. Thanks.

Niall Mackay: 3:32

Welcome to season eight of Vietnam podcast My name is Niall Mackay and I'm your host I've been living in Vietnam since 2016 And I started this podcast in 2019 more about people connected to Vietnam both foreigners and locals I wanted to learn more about their stories and share them with you Now my guest today is the ever repeat guest on a Vietnam pilot actually met in government quarantine when we were both fleeing back to Vietnam from overseas we were coming from Australia and we ended up in the same room in the government quarantine with no bed no bedding mattress air-con and thankfully we got on really well And over two years later we're still best of friends And that was the best thing that happened about back to season three I believe episode four I interview anesthesia and my wife Adrian from quarantine And you can learn more about that experience I think that was about the five at the time Yeah But today we're here in even more tragic circumstances I guess than being locked up in government quarantine which pay was in Sydney So anesthesia is originally from Ukraine and lived in Vietnam Now for years she's been in Vietnam as we all know with the pandemic boulders have been closed since we And thankfully 2022 the recently reopened So anesthesia took the opportunity to go back home for the first time in years she got back to Ukraine and within days the war broke out anesthesia had to You create essentially with her mother they were refugees and managed to come back to Vietnam safely Unfortunately her dad is the moment and her friends and family So while we're happy that here obviously still very sad that the war is going on right now and family are still there So today anesthesia is agreeing to join me she's going to share what happened to her how she ended up back in Ukraine and went from peacefulness to war how she ended up back in Vietnam and then also how you can support you cream So you so much joining

Anastasia Sokyrka: 5:41

me today Neil Thank you for having me Second occasion is also nothing happy I don't know why we're doing this podcast every time Something yeah we think

Niall Mackay: 5:51

did to get you back on when there's like a a

Anastasia Sokyrka: 5:53

happy occasion Yeah Yeah But we are happy We are safe now So it's more than enough

Niall Mackay: 5:59

Yeah Well I'm very thankful for that I don't think I've ever as happy as I've been to see someone that's when I saw you in your mum

Anastasia Sokyrka: 6:05

It was my scheduled annual leave I was planning to go on Ted but unfortunately some there was difficulties with the tickets and getting visas because still it's copied and we have restrictions so the final date was set up on 18 or And 19 I arrived to hockey Hockey is my hometown I believe everyone now notices this town like before when I say went from high of like I

Niall Mackay: 6:34

you really bad I know geography of Ukraine and like

Anastasia Sokyrka: 6:40

I never heard the prima from any foreign So to be honest this is the best but yeah So my hometown is Kharkiv my parents there my granny there and I got my tickets to fly to Ukraine I arrived home on 19th So the time already of course from 2, 3, 4 months the world was crazy about the invasion and Russia will attack and the war But you remember we discussed with you this that I am not scared to go in a station And I told you that a Ukrainians were reading this new since 2014 It's not the new for us And then we S we work It's going to be okay And this is the same I was telling to my father to my mom also to my boyfriend because every one of them asked me to reconsider and not to come this time maybe we can meet later Don't worry It's just you know just for safety And to everyone I said oh don't worry This all like muscle games and blah blah And I couldn't agree that it will happen But honestly like now I realize if I'm thinking how the things were happening the time I really know that it will happen but I can't just couldn't believe it will happen right now so I always knew this this invasion will be happening but I decided to come first because for the reason that if it happens I must be with my family because I have a more important thing that I have now in my life And I will never forgive myself if I will stay in the safe Vietnam so far from home And just because we already went through small war compared to what we have now in 2014 what could happen Because I remember what happened was what happened in that time So I couldn't have a chance to not come and not risking to not lose contact with them to know what happened with them because hockey is a target number one because of the it's too close to the Russian border and 70 like literally they would like they they the first day they already were 10 kilometers from my home Like my house They were very quick so when we I knew that hiking maybe under attack So it's not that I'm brave or maybe I'm stupid So if you're honest but I just knew that I need to be there And the second reason to go I also wanted to talk to my family to meticulate my father with idea that we may need to buy some property smaller apartment somewhere in the Western part of Ukraine again for the reason I is a target but again I didn't believe it would happen like this February It was just like a chance So it would have if it happened at least I'm at home but of course it's not going to happen And we will talk about how we may be need to some backup plan for our family because all their life is in hockey If like we have a house apartment and every single relatives So yeah then I arrived and the flight was quite smooth It was weird experienced to flying first time in 2000 in the since to Southern 20 2019 I mean for the long haul flight I did some domestic clients in Vietnam It was super weird but the life and the the father I was leaving Vietnam and close I get into Ukraine Like there was less and less COVID like around me no mask no restrictions Like it was obvious changing Like whenever I have to keep like I was the one in the mask I think and yeah and the first day I spent like first five days I spent with my family I took my mom to manicures pedicures and beauty thing just to spoil her because she stayed like two years alone at home I was tired also spend time with my family We went to dinner with granny I was likely to have a chance a quick catch up with my two best just for like one hour each And we were like planning to we have a lot of time ahead of us because I was I quick catch up And then we were originally next week What are we going to do Movie restaurant the weather was nice It was red green sunny blue sky peaceful and it fell some tension in there really so I take even I took a picture and video of the city We took a walk on the park because there were a lot of construction and repairing the CT for the past two years the hiking was beautiful really before the war a lot of a lot of renovations a lot of flowers trees parks we have new zoos So we went to all that places I went to my university around the university and the summer The first love thing So we just I took my mom for my Murray work We will have a nice nice day nice afternoon And then we came back home and the father he keep asking me every evening you should leave Like that was insane It's like you come back home They are all happy you happy but it's always the same conversation with the with father and mom You should go you should go You should go and then father told me that maybe you should take mom this time because in use they went crazy like in the last week when they make this independence bullshit like two days before the war so we already felt dangerous but we never gets a hockey but also father told me no I don't think that Shell in the cities they will do something but I don't believe they will do also hockey They can attach something something we guessing we're talking because a father wake up very early 5:00 AM only because of jet lag daily talking So the day every day for the five days every day started from the talking about this terror the planning and the guesses and what has happened with father So we had to make a plan with him that I should maybe took mom So we need to talk to them company if yeah now I'm on my rent but it's like when I leave we finish something like that as in for the property to buy and then something weird and then we went on the bed to the bed on 23rd and the 24th I had a schedule for my photo shoot for myself just like birthday present And then I I woke up like five minutes before five So there was tile in the country like 5:00 AM some areas a little bit earlier but like everyone no new they won't happen in is 5:00 AM I woke up like five minutes before that I don't know why maybe the jet lag or maybe father was already downstairs some noise I heard And the five minutes before that and just like oh why is so early I need to keep sleeping father wake up Maybe at least 7:00 AM I can wake up because the jet lag was killing me I don't like to wake up So it's still dark outside EcoSys Ukraine is a Europe is not feeling so And then yeah I couldn't sleep and then 5:00 AM I heard the first explosion and many people now in Ukraine that people discussing how where you've been when the war started what are you thinking How did you understand this Is that Like many people say no I was confused at something like some is not even exam diff because depending on how far were you from the epicenter the different sounds And this is very unusual obviously sound to hear in the city So people like were confused They didn't know what is dead I knew from the first sound I don't know how and in my heart immediately that's it That is no guesses And then after the first bomb being thought of them like boom so my window was shaking and then father he it took him maybe 30 seconds to also like realize And then he started to do helicopter the war the war we need to do something And we were shocked I mean even

Niall Mackay: 14:25

you were like your front of your main but at the same time you're like not

Anastasia Sokyrka: 14:30

expecting no it was like even father he's like he's not military guy He just did his duty in the Soviet time but he like very much like military movie army shooting game or all of that And then

Niall Mackay: 14:44

that's These shooting games can you foot

Anastasia Sokyrka: 14:47

No but I mean he's brainwashed And then he he watching the news about the war since 2014 He like every day you know everything was going on So he even already watching some interviews for people's suggestion if worst that what you should do all the distractions So he wanted the one who supposed to know what to do in our family Like mom she was like like a child like big eyes and told tell me what I need to do I can't I can't think of me I was more like looking into the father but Planning stuff He was more big things more strategic planning but no one knew what what are we going to do So he said you need to pack something quickly Some like age like age I need I don't know what to do with you on the line And he started to calling some friends and checking on granny wake up wake up people because maybe we the first who hear things yeah so we were picking very random stuff Like later on we we we will we stayed in our area and we came back home every single day for a shower or quick refresh or watch news on the TV And then we also repacked our luggage every day And every day we couldn't understand who pack this why I need this That was so messy Like your brain is it's clear Like you really thinking very clear but at the same time you're not clear You're not thinking properly Like that is amazing thing so my my my task was easy because I already have luggage with me and unpack So my Vietnam clothes are just like some I don't need because I not thinking about Vietnam that point we were thinking about the winter but my one is quick but mom and father yeah they were my sick packing And then after we finish we went downstairs in the living room which on TV but that I was still too early like finished packing I'm sorry It was like three minutes like sort of like super fast So we went downstairs switch on the TV and waiting for any information any news and still too early for a date And then maybe 10 minutes later we signed the subtitle the attack more updates soon And they started to share in which cities So we knew that it's not a hockey It's like basically every big city in Ukraine And And I go I cannot do any other things and survive alone with granny at home or before I came So also that is a reason maybe I think why my decision to come like I was thinking about the bullshit like my father shut up please What are you saying But the some piece of the state in my mind so I knew that I need to be there to at least figure out something for mom and granny because I understand men in this situation they have totally different dude and we cannot judge them as a as a woman Like you need to help me save me That is all selfish And I respect I understand that is his own decision That is his own life So but he say I now carved because you always me I cannot do what I want I need first to take you to the safety place but what a safety where to go because now we are blind We don't know which way we go because because Because whereas the army Russian or Ukrainian which is say which road is safe to take So because not of it So we sit at home waiting waiting waiting and then like every 30 minutes I think they were more And and that was super scary later on we get used to that I need to say but first day like I was like like where where like where to go We don't have it We have a basement in our house but it's not safe to hide them because it's literally under the house And if the missiles track to house nearby and if the walls destroy we will be buried alive there So there is really the worst place to hide So we couldn't and then father keep calling to granny She woke up she said you need to pack and wait I will pick you up and then she was like started to have high pressure She like 200 something and then she started to stress So we decided not to touch her She needs to lay down take pills and then our neighbor came alone and then she said that you need to come to my house My basement is more safe It's more looks like shelter It's still basement but I'm protected in case if something happened because it has an external entrance not from the house So she say let's go there stay home And we will check in on use them So we went and then shelling and Bombay in every way It not we're at our areas but it was like two to five kilometers from us It was still too close I

Niall Mackay: 19:18

just can't imagine Like you couldn't either tell that happened And then suddenly

Anastasia Sokyrka: 19:23

it was like you can and but you still somehow believe it's not gonna hurt You you're have the death threat to so close But when I lose my shit I'm sorry when there was And I think it flew just over the road our house where we were there on in the basement at the time because while the with the neighbor they went to our house for coffee because we I brought Vietnamese coffee beans and it save us for seven days because we have at least five five minutes every day normality coffee from machine you know super delicious And then my mom and another neighbor they were think at home cook maybe cooking or something And I anyway I was in a basement alone and the door was open to the basement because it was very quiet that evening and we don't have any siren And then suddenly I started to hear the noise that before and a dead sound I literally thought that is because I have no idea what is that I know experience with the Wharf So I guess I just bumped falling because the sound and it was unbelievable So I thought that's it I will die now any second That was really very scary They sit in the corner of the basement also the funny thing because we ended up small society like five of us how everyone behave differently I think this is like psychology all the rules They will apply it to these kinds of situations Like I went quiet I was just thinking and waiting father pretty same as me mom she attempted to cry but she also said try to be quiet but then on the day for six everyone already lose sometimes not arguing but emotionally you can hold it And then our neighbors also one went that Fuck it I will go sleep And I know when he's okay in the news And she was super stressed super scared And then she was so happy She cry when that was our jet that felt like because they already started to use jet for attacking the residence area So by the how the things went from the day first we stay to sleep at the basement all day was super long we can't get many news We can't know what is happening with our army Are they standing Are they alive Or what happened we just saw that bullshit that put inside on his TV to his people and that they will be strategic Military objects are getting And on the first day maybe that was the case because what we knew that first bomb bin we heard it was all that military warehouse or airport which were empty because we knew they will come would all be That time We didn't know but the Ukrainian very smart So I need to I need to I love for all my people very much especially now always but now I admire them So they they will empty all that meat almost all military objects they attack on the first night they will fake kind of they never they didn't use it for a long time but Russian didn't know so that our army had a chance to reply and defense And then on the second day I think we already started to get updates that things are not so bad in terms of our defense and that we got this high I don't have any it's like similar maybe to when you watch the football and your team is winning or something that kind of tension but it's so close to death life So it's more sharp emotions So we were like so high like whenever we get any news And the first day was what like 800 We claimed that 800 Russian soldiers already died and be like whoa that time So but we were like really up and down up and down but mostly up and that positive and energy and happy was really one thing that helped us to get along with all the situation But you want to eat We didn't eat We just drink water I drank first day I dunno How many liters Maybe seven Like I was dry immediately The stress Yeah I also find anything about stress that everyone almost like nine from 10 people we call first hours after the bone being everyone doing the same toilet your body relax everything So we can stop Sorry not to water I mean other things number another number everyone My granny my best friends my neighbors like even man not doesn't

Niall Mackay: 23:52

matter So there a toilet paper or inch but not COVID

Anastasia Sokyrka: 23:55

No It's like stress really is on but you can't really control it It's like you want water and toilet That is for first hour what we did was checking in humans

Niall Mackay: 24:06

I would have been drinking vodka

Anastasia Sokyrka: 24:08

no there is no there there my parents my father and neighbor they touch the alcohol first time maybe on the day three and four But again because we can't eat because we don't hungry so they just smell similar to Vietnamese people because we drink water quite normal easy That is like routine drink for dinner so they are not so easy to get drunk but because maybe food and Yeah one one shot and they already were it was uncomfortable And then mom and a and another fight and then complain because you need to protect us but you're not so comfortable because they just Lex in like TV and the bone being somewhere you know background and we are losing shit and running downstairs upstairs watching the news I tell the boys strutting doors It was crazy And I first thought is okay but then when one time I was in the street because we were walking from our home to our neighbor house because it's the same small street and then the start the shooting So I heard the noise from not inside not in the basement but being outside I stayed in the basement was all over the time That was really the enough You just it's like you're you become animal you know you just want to run hide and then we were like To absorb on the thing it was they thought when people from Chechnya they tried to came inside the city a few groups because they had their strategy They thought they can win hockey so there were city battles and we were lucky because we are kind of on the hill and we can't see but we heard like AKA bomb seems like barbecue I'm sorry It's it's evil It's no good to say but it was already day four We really we have no emotion Just hate and GRI so we were sitting like on the barbecues chairs like that and watching the the fire because that we knew that our army they destroy the building where they were hiding all day They were trying to fight They was hiding in the school at night Th that later they say they came at night they make a base in the school They put all their weapon bullets all that at school So in the morning when other groups came they should post to come to that And that should be their center They just how they was planning to in the hockey kind of all the day our people are army and territory army They will fight in And we were like just listening but it was very comfortable noise I really need to say because we know what happened And then very late evening maybe like six 7:00 PM they destroyed our Miami destroyed the city no choice And there was huge explosion In fact we were just watching the barbecue Yeah The F the pictures was terrible And you in some way your you can enjoy pictures of your animal like that I I'm I'm a girl I sh I never see my dead body Really never even some relatives I never been eating on funeral even And just in the movies something you saw

Niall Mackay: 27:04

I've never seen

Anastasia Sokyrka: 27:05

Yeah So but your enemy no head no legs whatever you can watch alone

Niall Mackay: 27:12

and you saw that like with your own eyes

Anastasia Sokyrka: 27:13

on their phone I mean on the screen and things are I mean if I see in my my own life maybe I lose control but on the picture on the screen you can watch it alone You're like not enjoying but kind of you want to know how they died If I don't understand how why because we all humans

Niall Mackay: 27:35

make sense of attacking you

Anastasia Sokyrka: 27:38

but you don't know them And you don't think they have families They are mothers You don't have that simple team This is actually terrible because this is not supposed to happen in 2022 and you discovered new about yourself so that you can That person so yeah and the hockey was center Like the residents area started to be under attack on the day second and relief I told you very clear to that residential area called south difficult that is a largest thing in hockey that is before the war 500 or 600 residents living in that residence area it was built 60, 90 seventies all the same buildings no military objects like schools hospitals supermarket So they all start to shoot in that residents And we start started to understand that while that is going to be we knew about Russian that thing because we had shot 14 but we never could believe that they will be that much evil to especially hike If that is their Soviet CT what they say the counter rescue liberator's we all Russians so we already started to feel the dangers and everyone we know who have at least some military connection Everyone said to us you should stay and don't go anywhere at least for one week or so on 10 days that is the face Number One is dangerous to go at home is the most safe And our army also said there is you must have stayed in the shelter hiding If you don't have a basement or shelter nearby you you go to the subway because that is the very important for survival for civilian And then after seven or 10 days there will be more clear and they will pass how to leave which way is safe which is not and my father as I told you he wanted to go army So we didn't know that but he did He tried to he called the the culture the office they want to come but the officer we have too many people want to come Like it was yeah The you all your credit even the Ukrainian who live overseas like me we have for now I think more than 200,000 men comeback there is a unbelievable so did they We have a lot of people who want to join Now We are actually have even like filter we only take in those who have a real experience or know how to do with gun You are 55 year old guy Thank you very much But to go home

Niall Mackay: 30:00

don't call us

Anastasia Sokyrka: 30:02

non-car over here We got your details That's what he got the best way you can do they give you the the AK and you stuck in the like the office the head office the co headquarters of the city but you're not allowed to leave So there is also another option for us because he still done Cohesion with us So then he started to volunteer There is he has a friend who'd been volunteered since 2014 He is connection with the organization reliable and those organizations the people who organized everything And they said we need the people with the cars because many people left on the first day in the panic And obviously also city have no guests no petrol because all the gas stations were empty on the first hour but if you do have anything in your tank and if you have SUV at least not seven then we need your help So they started to go out every day but the the the job was like you take something from one address and drop it on another address including to army And so they feel I think for for men it's really empowering they all started to do this all day friends they were voluntary Most of them still they're in hockey and they doing this every day so that is very important thing So he found something to do and the thing they were delivery also very important something for heating or food medications And after they went army don't need because Amistad to get also supplies more centralized they help him to the people to evacuate them or something delivery but for our case father only did it for a few days and then on the basics the bone being ready were very close to us They destroyed my university They destroy our headquarter like city hall the oldest city center the one that is not Soviet is a very old like the oldest part of the hockey opera house all that and the bomb was so close to Already for the society to say we need thinking how we take you out and then the we knew there was a railway station everyday people evacuation happening I think you saw the footage of the people on the railway

Niall Mackay: 32:09

Yeah And I was just going to add as well I mean you're going into way more detail than I knew about but for anyone listening Myself and Adrian we're in constant communication with you which we were so grateful that there was still communication and we couldn't believe that Or they went like we would have been besides yourself if the mobile communications had gone down So you were kind of giving us updates throughout this And then we were just glued to the news you know like just on patiently 24 hours a day And and from a purely selfish point of view I mean I was looking and I'm like I can't believe I knew someone in a war zone right now Obviously my concern was for you but at the same time I'm like this is insane You know your whole life has been wars going on

Anastasia Sokyrka: 32:52

It's an online show it's really

Niall Mackay: 32:54

live yeah And like right now my friends messaging me with from the basement and whatnot ask you then at what point you realize okay we need to leave

Anastasia Sokyrka: 33:05

decision I was not ready to leave I don't know Maybe that is

Niall Mackay: 33:09

well You would

Anastasia Sokyrka: 33:10

you know he can take the decision on some point because the shelter is somehow safe I think there is a psychology explanation for that because we were like like we are not adult Like we are five years old

Niall Mackay: 33:26

yeah that makes

Anastasia Sokyrka: 33:27

and you can make decision to leave or stay You want someone say to you what to do So mom and me were like looking at the father and father is so hard I really I after that I said sorry no we understand there is always psychology We couldn't make a decision He was convincing him to go And we say no no no we can't We can't be scared how we go railway station What if they won't win Because they already have a tack on the bus you see and you put us on there and you leave And how and we don't know We also had discussions with mom when we were alone how we would trick father to go how we do it because he keeps telling that he's staying but we knew he's he needs we we don't we can't So mom also how we we should lie to him Something we should not tell him that he will go back And then when he will be with us on the way we will try to convince him something like that And I told my mom that you do whatever you you want This is your man but you should be ready he can leave that We try I promise we try but you must be ready and you must you find a peace with that that he has right To decide not to come or

Niall Mackay: 34:35

and also so your father's 55 And from day one they were like you can't leave Ukraine if 16th So he there was never an option for him to leave the country but you could leave cocky

Anastasia Sokyrka: 34:49

I was not even thinking about Vietnam at that point that all life things in the 5:00 AM disappear I don't care anything that time my plans where I go my work salary

Niall Mackay: 35:04

none of that

Anastasia Sokyrka: 35:05

all nothing You only thinking what I need in the basement that you can't plan in for next day even So if I decide to like talking to us about your leaving you guys live in you're leaving on the day five I think And we were like no no no Because the option that he offered us we were still not it's not the picky but we really the options that he gave to us was like me and mama And non God know-how and again we sit in the basement all the time Even we have internet we have no idea what happened in the big world So in my imagination the voice everywhere So if we go in out from the basement this is the only safety area you have like dark corner So we like no no no no we cannot We cannot and then someone said to him that many people and you still everyday living by car and like your father had guess to enough to drive us to 200 200 kilometers from the city to another town the big one so he said okay I drive you there And then I come back and then it was like okay we tried to convince him on the way that was our always schedule and then on the last day there was already clear that Vietnam will take my mum They confirm and then say if I say to father for them actually they say we take all of you granny mom and for by the can leave granny say what so it's only me and mom and I said to father this is option how you think And I say we do We go and we have some friend who got his wife transferred to Poland border and then she's already in Poland So he know the way how to do so he had another wife and kid of our friend that he needed to go to Poland border So they ask other that day your girls come in or no because I'll drive them there And then for the say yes but then the husband of the wife who the friend is driving he's staying in hockey He's sending his wife and child is his friend So he called my father and said can you go with him I don't trust him I mean he he will lost shit on the way he will I mean I'm not believing he's my my women my woman and daughter in the safe with him I need you to bank Can you please because you have your Don't let them go without attention because he that guy is a he was not it's not his fault He first week he stayed in the basement like in the epicenter So in that in the basement mentally unstable he already broken he's stable but he he already potentially yes because the location where they were hiding in his home in the basement the bombing was so close even all that pickles and all all things that you keep in the basement or the glasses they fall down one bump and everything fall down on him So he the level I mean you measure it by the level of noise and shaking So our case it was still like not the fireworks of course but not like somebody falling from the shelf So he was there So he really Lost already So he's super scared So that's why he's a drunk who driving And he had me to go He can't stay drunk driving No no no Happy to go He doesn't he doesn't want to stay

Niall Mackay: 38:18

drunk driving I think

Anastasia Sokyrka: 38:20

almost drunk but for the other alcohol not the real one Yeah So in any way that friend asked my father I suggest you go with your your your women and then you come back something like that And for the okay I go I drive you to west leaf and then from leave you will have someone to transfer you to the polling board And then in Poland you figure out something like that So we we were thinking that as a scenario possible on the basics and then they Seven finally father convinced my granny because she was still in her apartment in the south of Caribbean which is very close to the to convinced her she agreed to come to our house

Niall Mackay: 38:58

I remember at the time you were messaging like granny won't leave her apartment

Anastasia Sokyrka: 39:02

she's on the 11th floor because everyone's just staying at they have gas electricity power So feel like it's also I think that the same I told you that your home is a safe and we still have it now in the Donbass area where we have now second phase and our government asking urging people leave don't stay you saw Boccia and other things but people they are not easy to give up

Niall Mackay: 39:28

I mean you see the seemingly natural disasters like hurricanes and tornadoes They're like leave your house There's a hurricane coming And they're like no I'll just stay here Which I like that's just blows your

Anastasia Sokyrka: 39:39

I think you just amended a similar to what we feel in the shelter You just can't make the decision that you're so scared That you are not ready to leave your comfort zone and you find many reason and explanation for that So that's why important to have someone who can drag you and put you in the safe So father was nearby already to drag granny but finally in the morning she called and say you know maybe yes I already but I'm not going to basement No I will be in your home Okay In the house our house is full of glasses and the windows that is really but better better because it's a little bit far from the epicenter

Niall Mackay: 40:20

They are living

Anastasia Sokyrka: 40:21

11 floor Yeah So he took her home and then one hour later in her area there was shelling and the windows she loves the windows and balcony in her apartment just like one hour after that was like so lucky and that time that that bomb it's just one kilometers from It's super close and we already know people we call them and they don't pick up the phone

Niall Mackay: 40:46

I mean I'm looking out the window Like I can see a kilometer

Anastasia Sokyrka: 40:48

away Yeah yeah That is you Can you see the you see the smoke and we have a friend my godfather godmother they live in that area We call him them Then I'll pick up the phone No no reception so we were already well very shitty Sorry If I can use this word we're very scared And then finally they all pick up the phone because they even in the school basement there is a shelter in the re in the district So everyone was saved but most of them no no windows in that in that apartments and then father already feel like we need to go that move in already to us And there's no logic They didn't they're not just moving just randomly And we don't have we asked him do we have any infrastructure hub nearby And then mum seniors we have that We have a market and it's not public information so there is some hub for some communication things So they may target and they did it to a few days later That was a very because Shelly when we already were not in haiku so yeah we we actually not much save here and then a friend or father called him and said Hey I just left the city This road is safe Go now if you want And there already were 2:00 PM and we have core phase So that is like 6:00 PM the time So literally we have few hours to to to go and reach to the other CT and we took decision like in five minutes like like in the media you don't have time to think And so you're just like yes then we go and then we come home We are packing what we packed already which after that we find out we didn't pack anything for father Like we pick something but not that important So we need to be shopping for him after we arrived to the Western city for shopping for him for survival socks underwear all that we didn't take but mom take her and I power through make for survival Oh my God That was a really you have your brains just no thinking more than like one second ahead of you and then we come home and granny cooking Borsch for us you know at home and then say granny you take your your bags We live in living And then she was like no we were ready for that We before blackmailing her begging her crying her we already like to aggressively talking to him Father already said if you die I don't care All that words we try to use to make her feel emotional and a little bit solved and break so we can catch that moment And No it doesn't work All the people man you old people staying like that in hockey and in the countryside villages towns they just not ready They are kind of understand why they are going to die whatever it is So now later so they they said like that So we we yeah that was very heartbroken and I feel very guilty since then till now Not only for that for many for many reasons I think there is nature also for this kind of situation for victims and refugees We feel guilty and shamed We left and we are saved but others not but that is your personal matter So anyway we we will we left and father drivers MTC to the first time So city not from the basement and the news and it looks normal The the the I mean the the road that father took out there were no bomb in there So it looks wow Same but then I saw 10 another 10 and then I'll also draw destroy because of tank is too heavy and that all roads were just rebuilt like last for three years So all that destroyed tank tank tank then checkpoint checkpoint and then every check point we need to slow down open the window show of the phase the passport because of very low a lot of spice and betrayal the catch in everyday scene two now and we have so two women if father alone they will stop him asking checking but we understand we are family So another checkpoint and that and then the last checkpoint that was the most sharp guilty moment for me still Now I can that is very painful Even some way different painful maybe more painful than the family that we not together on the last checkpoint there was the guy soldier and then we opened the windows which are passports And then we are like Like we are run in a way like reds from the ship That's what I feel like I'm red running another guy he's so young and I was 2030s too so strong handsome And then he smiled to us look at me and he said good luck drive safe And that there is a I that time first time I felt like my eyes wet I didn't cry But at the time I almost it feels I can't talk to him because my parents here I kind of say anything to make him worry about my condition But in my heart I was like I was begging for forgiveness and I'm sorry I'm leaving I can't help Anyway I can't do anything as a I'm not a soldier What I can do is only volunteer or this kind of job but first thing is safety for your own family and people there is at least you can I can't do but I felt so terrible He is staying he's smiling He brave you're going to die most probably then I mean he had a lot of chances to die Hope not of course And then that was very painful very difficult And then we drove it was crazy You know we've had to say I have like literally five kilometers more and then I have no gas and they're like oh

Niall Mackay: 46:31

I get nervous in Saigon When my gases at red and on my motorbike and this gas on every corner I'm going to need the field and the

Anastasia Sokyrka: 46:38

war kind the same condition But also one thing about this kind of stress our nation we we known for fighting with each other in the peaceful time We always political whatever We kind of like a tension all the time our relationship no one but no much like each other I mean in daily life kind of competition But this situation we are totally changed We all United is on the road No Are we got also the driving style of Ukrainian is very wild and I mean we and then if somebody makes a mistake believe me they will tell you that even sometimes show you that So but there was super stressed Everyone stuck I think everyone had the same issue no gas and no supply Don't know where to go but everyone patient waiting Please go please If somebody's broken if they stop even someone like there was a lot of trucks already leaps out to deliver in humanitarian health aid So if they see like before in normal life you see ambulance you try to give your car the way this time was for all everything Humanitarian aid or whatever because it's food supply going from one city to another Everyone just gives away two for the trucks No one complained I think so we made it up by the end of the day and by end of the starting the coffee to ne pro is another towns also very large one and we have relatives there So we stayed there for one night And then from that moment seven days later I got torso

Niall Mackay: 48:09

Hm What I was going to say I remember at this point when you got to the Neupro you share this app with us that we could track where Nasta was and where she was pulling on the map And it was it was crazy just to what we are We're checking it We're like oh she's here now she's here or she's not moved Okay And I do remember there's quite a funny bit You were driving it even showed you the speed you were driving it And I think it was like a hundred kilometers an hour And I was like don't drive too fast You're going too fast And then there's another one It was like nine

Anastasia Sokyrka: 48:38

Yeah It was a traffic jam everywhere We literally did like 200 kilometers From 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM There was so long line of cars with dogs cats kids It was so but it was not yet there The most terrible thing I saw the most terrible thing I thought was on the border The grain Poland that was I feel like I'm in the movie but the movie that I were watching like a Schindler list or something like the one that you see and thinking why human doing this to to each other that it went to century was so wild and cruel Thanks God We are another generation we're living in another time We already know all this things right We learned no there is And this is my people is not movie or news That is my people And I saw people on the wheelchair a lot of kids all kids and then the border difficult to to cross It was a long queue We spent only on the border 25 hours but we already were on the bus We separated with father internal pill a little bit change our plan because we found it from Ternopil to That is a Poland already So we can cross the border by a bus and no need to worry who will pick us up or we just get to the And then I found from my friend in London she had someone in Poland This is how everything work You have someone someone someone so kind people in Poland they said that we will deliver deliver you You just need to arrive to Warsaw and then from work So we will drag it to your home where we stayed for them the past next month so yeah border was insane 25 hours in the bus very cold toilet no toilets only the guest station And you need to queue and you kind of go even on the Because this is I'm already border is already all clean before they have some forest there but they already clean it So we were like okay we're not drinking whatever because you really don't know where to go for Kids is easy but for them and all these little bit but at that point already your father also told us when we were we were driving from hockey to Ternopil for five days and then he already told us that okay you forget all the things you can't show your butt on the street Okay You will go on to show it because there is no toilet So no looking for any comfortable don't wait You want to do Now there is not time This is the war and that everything We asked him something different conditions something uncomfortable unusual for you There will be always same answer This is this is the world This is unbelievable that you hear this So we we made it through the border We arrived to also the border It was from Ukrainian side it was massive I don't know how many thousands people were there but they were in the car and on the bus and the worst is pedestrian So we were sitting in the bus with least womb for 25 hours But the women mostly women and kids and older is they were standing in minus bedtime five to 10 four also same time as us That that is heartbreaking And you can't help them because vast already full though they have already all that the jackets and office really refugees You see that as refugee people on the bus you're still like travel but then one is refugee but a lot of volunteers a lot of hot food So they are because the villages around people just cooking a lot of food And ridges and Superbowl or something and they had tea coffee and the free of charge They just give it to everyone So that was helping a lot and then when we made it through the border in Poland it also was touching because when he finished his passport control the first the passport condition they didn't care You don't need because we have ID card We have the passport that you can travel oversea And we also have old style passport that you even in Ukraine we try to get rid of this is still applicable but it's not suitable for oversea And mostly all old people from the countryside people they carried those and Poland say whatever document you have you you will go good to go No need COVID So that all thing was canceled No question asked nobody asking you anything You just come welcome So when we made it with the passport can be there was another room where you waiting for All from your bus because that is how they do on the on the road You're waiting for all of the bus people to finish and put in control So they'd have some room and they set up Poland volunteers at Polish volunteer they set up coffee sandwiches snacks and then there was a guys officer also very young boy he was holding the box with the chocolate candies and he gave it to every child he saw and that our language is very similar We understand Polish Ukrainian and then he he learned even some Ukrainian what and he say something don't cry and then approached you And then it's like take it please Hey you I was no that there is you lost the you can't believe in humanity anymore because you know what they do in your country The other people how they do what they do there is not just they don't understand It's not our news who make fake into yours We talked to people you can't hide in the true from the people So we sharing we know what they say what they do how they behave So no humanity there they it's like it's like war into in 15th century you know and then you add the other side you regain all this belief in humans When you meet the Poland and the support of Europe union also as well there is a it's like up down up down this crazy roller coaster like all the picture of your of the world in your mind were destroyed and then rebuild again So and anyway we arrived at the railway station in the city not there also that was ratios And immediately they were tones of volunteers tones one on Thursday that you were wearing the jackets and you just show a little bit confused Like which way I should go immediately They take you please please come come And then they have one food if you need any some shampoo soap eating drinking this is Kayla So what is your plan Do you know where you're going If you know there is not one way If you don't know don't worry We take you and all at very patient very comfortable They hug you I was like holding myself I was like looking good Like I was trying to be strong for mom Mom was like that She was not strong So they were hugging her home and talking to her and the anyway we get and they say okay give me your passport I get you a train ticket because it's free at the time I think now it's still the same And I say no can I do it myself I feel uncomfortable I can speak English or even I can speak your grain here We are this at each other Please I can do at least stay the same Free and then okay thank you We need some cards and they make already a special package like vena phone that special Ukrainian package where you have a few gigabytes of internet and most important you have like high 500 or 700 minutes to call into Ukrainian number free of charge No Roman Yeah also Ukrainia and our mobile operator once we crossed the border they gave us also You always see free you use So that was very helpful Really like businesses thinking about that thing is unbelievable Like really very important So we got our tickets and then we had to wait for six seven hours for our train Even it was 5:00 AM and it was too early And I said don't worry unit You don't need to stay here we take you to the shelter We have some place you can rest you can take a nap maybe eat and shower or something And they took us to the shelter Something looking like the COVID hospital I guess it may be As a corporate hospital before So a lot of bad bench beds more like a camp Yeah A lot of kids a lot of women dogs cats it's so cute Like everyone take their pets with them And then also the pate the bed behave like like he know she knows what to do She like no make any problem very patiently waiting with the owner or his only eat owner so yeah and we spend a few hours so we just take a quick nap on the floor on the bench And then they have also warm food all that And they they took we I was on the mask all the time because I still had no COVID And then when we arrived at the shelter there was like I think Ukrainian guy who lived a long time in Poland he'd look at me There is no COVID anymore And it was like oh yeah I know I know But I feel like I'm so many people but no one we're in mass that is COVID finished w we find the best medicine Yeah Not the villain vaccine the best media but medicine against COVID What 5:00 AM First bomb What COVID

Niall Mackay: 57:37

priorities

Anastasia Sokyrka: 57:38

finish Really I still carry mask with me Korean one that is like a cave 94 and 95 in America So I still carry that with me and I wearing them in the bus I wore them on the bus and mom but it didn't help It got COVID which we found out later when we were on torso So I talking to my father and he say fuck you thinking of your destiny you get the worst in war and then pandemic the virus You get it also And then mom also she fall down On the bus station and then she had a tease and face So when we wake up one morning her face we're all like nice Like socially like you like literally running away from the wall and you got also wireless so we couldn't get to Vietnam so soon we were stuck in but it was okay

Niall Mackay: 58:27

yeah that deleted the parts that I remember messaging or you were leaving in like two days and then you're like Nope we're not leaving We just got COVID So now we're going to wait till when they get it which is this like an ultimate kick in the teeth right Like

Anastasia Sokyrka: 58:41

but we we took time to like find the peace not find a peace of mind because it impossible right now but at least we could sleep with our bombing And then the first week most me and my mama radio came I'm still have it when she heard track some noise CML a little bit too dead triggering you that I like first second trigger And then you understand okay There is nothing but still triggering you

Niall Mackay: 59:13

well how is it here in Vietnam Because I know where you live There's lots of trucks and obviously generally traffic and lots of noise How is so

Anastasia Sokyrka: 59:20

when we when we in apart I'm okay I think my I figured out this thanks to this situation I figured out that I'm quite strong mentally and w very good control myself mom she not so easy with traffic outside Okay But when we at home and then when because I live in in district seven there are a lot coming there So if the truck have it's loaded I think with some products

Niall Mackay: 59:44

I mean I've lived in D seven and I know that street

Anastasia Sokyrka: 59:47

so the boom trucks go through there I don't hear it anymore

Niall Mackay: 59:51

Mommy Yeah if you zoner No

Anastasia Sokyrka: 59:56

I already know how to switch off my ears but mom she's like what is that What is that but she also like it's one second And then you understand or if she was at home when I was in office she stay alone home and there was a fire alarm in a My dad is normal because I think they're a smoke detector too sensitive And even I had a few times already caused the fire alarm because of smoking the cooking something

Niall Mackay: 1:00:19

I've done it here as well Yeah I've had the guards at the door cause I bumped some popcorn and Jose

Anastasia Sokyrka: 1:00:25

pop con no I wasn't doing this rice chips Vietnamese rice chips or stream And I put not enough oil So the security came So my bone chips look at me and take a picture I think they laughed Yeah But I talked to my mom before that story and I said to her like every two weeks I think someone cooking and the fire alarm will broke down That is normal I didn't tell her Don't worry I was telling her that it was a funny story but because she already knew but she said first few seconds Yeah They're like siren or something like that But then she was like ah thanks God I told her you know if I did if I hadn't what she would think about she do she very now create broken and vulnerable and sensitive For many reasons She were used to Vietnam She'd been here for like long before I came Like she wasn't Southern to she very familiar She never have any problem Now she feel insecure and stress and I need to push her go out to try go to the supermarket And then she like okay I will try to find a way And yeah she's really lost She want to go home I promise her that I also believe that I know that we will come back home just for now we need to be safe Yeah And also because we have a job here this is also Father and granny So for for my family now mom is me with me here my granny is in hockey in still in our home not in the basement She go in every night now too Yeah Because not easy So we happy she little bit gave up that point we everyday keep asking her we have many chances to take her out bus people train everyday If somebody live in cold product and asking because they know she's still saying no don't ask me So I try not to argue with her with that I want to be a comfortable person And the father live with his father like bad cop good cop so she's yeah she's just at home caregiver is still on there Charlene every day a few times it was where near to our house And that time she was really worried and scared she now sleeps at the basement At least this is we can but every day every moment you check in the news and every morning I check in green how are you and father He is in the Western part of Ukraine He got some job there some simple like few hundred dollars only but just to do something to help But that is job but no longer no no he but he did his job but he had been refugees that the camp the hotel where the hosting refugees from also our Yeah So he's a driver work as a driver there we very happy for his mom that he changed his mind and he doesn't want to come back to hockey I mean he want but he he understand that if he come back he will be just target You just you can't go to army They don't take you There is a lot of volunteers now and also not so many things he can help only as a driver may be but if he do come back it basically you just waiting when the boom will come And we say I can't be a victim I don't want to be a victim I want to see we win something like that So he's staying there Luckily we have some mom friends who agree to host him to allow him to live with them So he is also hard time because their job is not easy He'll drive in some truck and it's like old Soviet one that not have abs So he everyday have a shoulder and bag but what had busy but at least doing something and just waiting for this to be finished I don't want to think about like my father had 55 I'm young I'm 30 I can do many things in my life I can change my life like many times if I want I have all the time but in their lifetime they went through terrible Soviet occupation even they didn't realize it was occupation We know now but they will never have support in to that government they can't they didn't know they support not support but they never be happy fully They understood something and then they went through 1991 and 1990s where no money and they worked so hard And the house where in haiku that we have there is my father Second baby He worked so hard He got it when he was 40 something that was like his milestone In the middle age crisis that was his safe boat kind of he achieved that one and that is also our heritage because it land he grew up on that And that was before house of my grand great-grandparents there so that all like working for that screw my mom and him together And my any moment it can be vanished destroyed and they'd we don't know how to get because 55 is in Ukraine that is already age you thinking about like old they they think in themselves we already old so how to live how to survive So now I have more headache and thoughts on my head What should I do How can I after after we when how how to figure out definitely come back home I already make myself decision once it possible and save to take my mom and me I finished my Vietnam expert life and I want to be home I never wanted to go home as much as I want Now I w I live here eight years as we said and every year I came home for annual leave and happy one two weeks and then finish not in a tired that we have many reasons in Ukraine before I wanna yeah that is I can't find my place I couldn't find my place in hockey especially for many reason and then this time like I wanted to stay and crossing the border was very difficult Like when I started to support and Polish flag And yeah that was the heart Also one of the two emotional points I don't know why I'm not so emotional as a family one of the soldier and the checkpoint and another one we were on the plane leaving the war So to Doha I already were like dark night everyone's sleeping I couldn't sleep And you know when you're bored bored on the plane you don't want to watch movie just we do the map right To see where you are And then I switched the map and I saw Ukraine that the time it just because we have we were flying just on the left talk your side and th the map open to Ukraine and I see it like my plane and every second it's more and more And I understood that God this is can be like I don't know when I will be seeing this opposite direction You know whenever we be approaching my lens there was also a second emotional little bit wet my eyes I don't know I'm not I may be too pejorative them rather than for families like my family I worry And I stressed but I can't show my emotions but these kind of things like I can I couldn't like control Okay

Niall Mackay: 1:07:43

could tell your emotions You're very strong You're

Anastasia Sokyrka: 1:07:45

very strong Yeah But this it seems like things

Niall Mackay: 1:07:48

think that's

Anastasia Sokyrka: 1:07:49

me

Niall Mackay: 1:07:50

a lot Yeah Well thank you so much for sharing this story with me I obviously have lived through a little bit but I really do appreciate it Hearing it from you thanks for sharing it with our listeners as well

Anastasia Sokyrka: 1:08:03

sorry It was a little bit messy I have no list of

Niall Mackay: 1:08:05

No

Anastasia Sokyrka: 1:08:06

plan What should I say after what

Niall Mackay: 1:08:08

no so so first of all for anyone who doesn't know anesthesia is an incredible photographer You've you've been to many of my events I've got some incredible pictures from you and so I appreciate that and you do amazing portraits of people So if you are interested in booking anesthesia as a photographer go check out the link in the notes for the podcast because there will be a link And you're you're giving all the money you make from photography right now to Ukraine as well which is amazing I've got you booked for an event coming up We had you at an event last week so we were able to support Ukraine that way but also as well we really do want people to not to forget about the war in Ukraine It's been 56 days now today and as anesthesia has been pointing out on social media it's really easy to forget about it even for myself because you're home and you save a I felt finished but it's also there's only so much bandwidth you can put to to yeah you just can right unfortunately for you you can't switch off because your people are there but we don't want people to forget about it It's still going on and Ukrainian people still need support as well And if you want to talk a little bit just briefly about the support that's still needed and then we'll also put a link in the notes for the podcast episode so people can do it as well So if you want to talk

Anastasia Sokyrka: 1:09:18

yeah definitely I want so the Ukraine needs help but a part of the arm and military help that our government finally get access to that is the government and big boys dealing with but it's a personal decision for everyone to support army or no but the most important also is humans and refugees and also people who stay in in Ukraine like migraine is okay But also a lot of people who have no family to help them a lot of organizations In Ukraine and oversee who coordinating the help and volunteering for delivery whatever things needed I shared with you the link who is a list of trustworthy organization for different charities both Ukrainian and international I would urge to avoid donating to large international funding like red cross or UN because it money will come not immediately to the people pref preferred will be small organization of people on the ground who doing who knowing what they need So they will be doing it faster but the If it's reliable or not fake because unfortunately humans are still human but the least link I will share is reliable And there are a lot of different way you can find how to do to send money It can be bank transfer It can be your credit card or even PayPal crypto crypto also radio

Niall Mackay: 1:10:40

You can donate with crypto I was like wow 20, 22

Anastasia Sokyrka: 1:10:44

yeah So for me personally what I do is yes as you said I donation I donate a hundred percent of income that people pay for photography If I have the photography the job time to time I try also to yesterday for example the I found it very cute and handy One of the my favorite coffee shop in hockey they already opened operation but they're not solving onsite It's mostly for delivery and mostly what they do in is They're not making coffee they're not filtering anything They just have a bean So they are selling beans If you have a confirmation at home So what their initiative they have is you can pay you can buy on the website coffee like a one cup or coffee bag And one one bag is 10 cups of filter coffee You can pay you can buy online fuel one bag one cup whatever you want how much she doesn't matter you pay And then the next morning they delivery two army had coffee because in haiku they they they support So I yesterday bought like I thought 20 guys to this morning we'll have nice coffee this kind of thing you're helping myself Firstly I need to say that helped me go through that guilt and shame I still don't know I maybe need help in the future with that but it also important that small things but for refugees is like Seven Million Ukrainian refugees now in Europe and the world and yet world helping them but what for example one thing when we were running away it was late February early March It was still winter in minus 10 something but now you can easily recognize if you're watching from Europe and you see Ukrainian refugee around you easily can recognize them because they were in two warm closes maybe now already changed But when we were in Poland we were one of that You can easily see people from Poland and Ukrainian refugees because a lot of Ukrainian leave in Poland before the war but you can see because we all were in winter clothes but even you it's already warm so this kind of stuff all this organization helping to get clothes food for the kids kids is the most a lot of orphans right now a lot and to So it's both to in people in Ukraine to people oversee refugees you can find the organization that's you most of you you maybe you want to help in medication or just kids or humanitarian or army as well For example I also support trying to support a change in like occasion like this today mining go this way and this way so one of the transition I also support is they call return alive or come back home alive they are not government one but they approved by government They co they cooperate with the army but they not buying them any weapon thing because it is of course illegal What they do buy for them is something to save their life like the Bulletproof things and some classes and helmets cars clothes all the things something to help them survive because still we have too many people want to go on me but not It's like everything is just too crazy and too soon so planning is not ideal so yeah I will appreciate if you will take your time go to the link read about opportunities and chances and places where and how you can donate fine If you feel you want to help please do Ukraine we will win We we can we are strong to think Not in the world no one believed otherwise right now even we were not sure everyone I mean not a hundred percent but we still need some help for our people who not less like if for example as I am

Niall Mackay: 1:14:19

All right Amazing Well thank you And please check out the link Please give what you can anesthesia Thank you so much for doing this honestly I don't think I've ever been too happy in my life to see someone I'm so glad you got back and that to finish this on on the music That app that you share that we could track you with So that's still active and I get notifications when your form battery's dying I keep meaning to turn that off I get what vacations in your forties is that like 10% battery And I keep meaning to message and be like I need to delete that app I don't actually follow your whereabouts but I don't think you're weird about some very

Anastasia Sokyrka: 1:14:57

to build it That I actually keep it from mom She doesn't case in Vietnam I can track her

Niall Mackay: 1:15:02

Yeah That's probably a good idea

Anastasia Sokyrka: 1:15:03

But yeah

Niall Mackay: 1:15:04

you should remove I'm going to do that now All right Thank you so much and have an amazing day And I hope your mum said it was into Vietnam or hope your dad stay safe and your your granny as well

Anastasia Sokyrka: 1:15:15

We will think