Vũ Minh Tú - Vietnam's Raunchiest Comedian | S2 Ep 1

The first episode of Season 2 is with Saigon Funny People co-founder and resident cat lady, Vu Minh Tu!

Hanoi-born, Saigon-based Tu is a comedy force to be reckoned with. An established performer on the Vietnam circuit, her style can be described as like any stereotypical Asian female: passive aggressive. Tu's hilarious jokes at shows across the region have seen her collect numerous awards including first place in the Roosters Beer Comedy Competition in Saigon, as well as the usual free beers and rounds of applause. Her family doesn't think she is funny, which is why they are never invited to shows.

We talk about the differences between Hanoi and Saigon, what it's like to be a risqué, Vietnamese and female comedian, doing comedy in a second language, and Tu's ongoing journey with depression. Below are recommended links from Tu if you need support with your mental health.

Links
Saigon Support Group
The Beautiful Mind Group

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 2:28

Welcome to season two of Seven million bikes, a Saigon podcast. My name's Niall Mackay and I'm your host as always. Uh, first of all, a massive thank you to everybody who supported, uh, the first season. Um, it's just been incredible. I never expected to get as many people listening as we did. So many interactions online and in person. We just had our first ever meet up this week with the guys from sexy meet talks and that was amazing bringing all the guests together. There was seven out of the 12 guests from season one all met up and some listeners as well. So that was really incredible. So thank you so much to everyone in the Saigon community and abroad who's been supporting. It's been incredible. Now, um, season two is pretty much going to be the same season one, I'm going to be talking to people who live in Saigon, talking about life here and where they've come from and their backgrounds. Just the same as before. But this season I'm going to change it up a little bit and we're going to have some different questions at the end of each episode. So my first guest of season two is a local comedian. She's from Hanoi, but now Saigon has been our home for nearly six years now. And my guest is Vu Minh Tu.

Speaker 2: 3:39

Hey, I'm fine. I'm going to stop calling you, Vu Minh Tu,. Yeah. Don't call me Vu Minh Tu. It sounds like I've done something wrong and I don't know, is that my name is, uh, a guy's name, so I don't want to be called by that too often. Normally a delivery guy would call me up and be like, Hey, Anh, you have a package delivered. And then you'd say, Oh, like sometime they even write on the packaging that to mister Vu Minh Tu or no, what part of your name is a guy's name. Then the whole combinations Tu is a unisex name. But like if you put the whole thing, it's supposed to be unisex, but I feel like a lot of guy has taken that name. So an hour is um, by con, you know, like contentiously, just a guy's name. And in fact, if you go on Google and Google my name, uh, there is out usually comes up as a, some rapist, if you Google my name. I don't encourage people to Google my name.

Speaker 1: 4:44

So what Tu is telling you on a podcast that you're listening to probably sitting next to Google. Don't Google, Vu Minh Tu absolutely don't do that. Obviously now everybody's doing that. Now you've said that. I know too, when you do find that said person, it's not the same person I'm interviewing today. She is a female and she's very funny comedian as well. So, so you're from Hanoi originally? Yeah. What was it like growing up in Hanoi then?

Speaker 2: 5:17

Uh, growing up in Hanoi is a in interesting in its own way. Uh, I mean, uh, when I was at the city it has not really been open to, uh, outside influence yet. So it is, uh, still, it was still a pretty small, nice capital. Still feel very colonial in a way because, uh, we still have a lot of building, uh, from that time. And most of them are business ran by the government, so it's not, um, a profit focus like nowadays. So, uh, you could go to a, a cinema that is totally empty and then spend your whole day, they are watching like pirate that movie cause at that time, you know, nothing is copyright that yet. And it was beautiful. Like, uh, I could, uh, walk around Hoan Kiem lake the whole day, uh, and has not been flooded by tourists or expat yet. So everything would just quiet and my eyes is like a nice, pretty small town. However, uh, besides that, uh, it was also very stressful cause uh, unlike in Saigon, many parents let their kids have certain f reedom in Hanoi, u h, parents were very strict. So we will meet to go to school most of the time. U h, as a matter of fact, u h, I had to attend t wo s chools at once o nce I like a normal primary school and one is a music school. Yeah. In the evening in, u h, during l unchtime, I took a break from, u h, my main school, go to a piano class in a music school and then went back to my normal school to continue after class. But h is, it was typical f ar h andled kids. U h, I feel like maybe because my family, u h, I was a little bit more p rivilege compared to others. So that's why we could have fought, u h, education like that. But, u h, I mean even for a less privileged family t here a lso t ried to push their kids to learn a lot of things at once.

Speaker 1: 7:30

And we talked about this in season one with Daniel, who his parents were from the North as well. And you're talking about how strict they are and the pressure. And so do you think parents are stricter in the North than in the South?

Speaker 2: 7:43

Uh, yeah, definitely. Parents are way stricter in the North cause I, I think they believe, uh, having proper education, you know, on the certified degree and stuff like that would help you a lot, uh, in your career later on. And, uh, learning skills like, uh, music spot or whatever would many feet in the long run. So, uh, so they just hope that their children can do better than themselves. They'll eat themselves in the future. So, uh, yeah, I think so. The, um, parents in the North are very aspirational or as parents in the South, I feel like they, uh, um, care for their children in a more day to day basis. It's like, um, have you had enough of sleep? Have you eaten enough or have you had enough free time to hang out with your friends and stuff like that

Speaker 1: 8:36

because to being an English teacher previously, I feel like you can see the amount of pressure that gets put on children here in Saigon and I've never worked in Hanoi, so I can't imagine a parent here a less, um, put less pressure on their kids than in the North because I already think that they already put a lot of pressure. Yeah. So if they're the stricter in the North, that must be an incredible and an oppression they put on the children.

Speaker 2: 9:00

Yes. I mean in the South the parents are still strict, but I feel like kids here are getting more time to hang out, hang out with[inaudible] friends like in general. And then they have more, uh, extra curricular activities in school. Uh, which is just a difference in, uh, education system between two regions. So I notice in the South they had more claps, like you asked those after school. Now you can go for dance class, judo class, swimming club, sport center and stuff like that. Whereas in the North most of the focus is on the Academy. So I mean still it's still considered to be hanging out with your friends, but, uh, maybe you get to do less fun stuff I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 9:52

And what are some of the other big differences in between the North and the South?

Speaker 2: 9:56

Uh, generally speaking I think is the general attitude of people in, uh, those two diff, uh, different regions fly in. The North people are more reserved. Um, I say, um, I think in the North, people care so much about keeping face, you know, that phrase we usually say. So, uh, in any situation they want to appear. Um, their best. Even a, when they have a guest in the house, even if they don't like that person, they try their best to treat the guest nicely, whereas in the South, people are more straightforward, more direct. Um, and then, uh, so if you have a guest who you don't like so much, maybe they can take that guest outside to eat instead of, you know, like forcing themselves to cook a nice meal at home for the guests, like what people usually do in the North. So yeah, in the South people are more open minded, more direct in the North people are more reserved but also like once you make it into their inner circle, so-called, um, um, they usually keep you as friends for life. Like they're loyalty is really, really high I would say.

Speaker 1: 11:24

Interesting. And so you mentioned saving phase and we talked about this before with Daniel. What, what's your, uh, definition of saving faith? What does this phrase mean to you?

Speaker 2: 11:37

Uh, I think it's to, uh, peer the least vulnerable as possible cause um, uh, I think northern people are very private and uh, because this is funny because the thing, uh, this is one of the thing, I think the architecture structure affect our social interaction. So in the north, we have this compound called( Vietnamese), which means like a compound which usually have like, um, three different buildings linked to each other making it into a square. And in the middle of it there's a playground. So what happened is that people usually hang out in that playground and then they start talking to each other, gossiping and stuff like that. And then a neighbor would know about each other's life in detail. So like once you mess up a little bit, then the whole fucking compound know about that. That's why it's really important for you to appear as best as you can

Speaker 1: 12:45

to just avoid being gossiped about, just to avoid being gossip about. Because is it because people know it's so prevalent? If you step out of line, you do anything wrong, everyone's going to hear about it. And so is that what makes it different than to, you know, coming from a Western culture? Cause I think we in the West we still like to save face. Like we still like to like put on a good appearance. We don't like to do things in the wrong way, but we, I don't think we just, we don't have that same concept or a strongly held belief in like saving face. You know, I think we, we can tolerate messing up or maybe being talked about, I don't know that is that what the difference is? I always struggled to understand exactly what saving face is.

Speaker 2: 13:25

Yeah, it does about, well, you want to be accepted as a normal member of a group. So you try to appear as average as possible, you know, to avoid conflict or to avoid[inaudible] or any negative connotation about yourself. Uh, and then I also have to say that although it seems like a bad thing, but, uh, it's actually good because then you have some sort of a reference to know if you, uh, which one can potentially be a bad company, which is a good one. Cause the thing is that you live in such a condensed space is important to maintain uh, a general safety for everyone. So like even the on though gossipy ladies, right. They seems to be so petty. But the fact is that because they spend a lot of time sitting around, they actually keep the area safe. You know, like they would watch out every house when people are away or work. So yeah, he's going, I mean it's not too bad. There's a trade off halfway.

Speaker 1: 14:37

Yeah, no that's true. And you mentioned, so Hanoi obviously wind, Kim Lake is very touristy now, like the old quarter as well. I love it up there when I go up there and it's really nice to walk around. It's, I find a very different is I go on a very different few. What's your thoughts though? Like, cause you've seen that change like you just mentioned, like for you growing up it was, would have just been like an old village or town, whereas now it's just tourists everywhere. Like what's your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2: 15:06

[inaudible] my thought on that. First of all, I, uh, really appreciate the fact that because we have a lot of tourists a day, the food culture has been improved by a lot. I remember when I was 10 years old, I was only like two places that sold pieces at that time in the entire Hanoi. And then now when I come back, I came back to her, not it just a month ago. And Holy hell, I saw that so many good foods over there, I can spend the whole day eating without being bought. Um, so yeah, that's a good thing that I'm about having a lot of tourists. Um, and um, but then also the, the Dow sign of that is, um, traffic obviously, and the prize of things in general. Um, it has become more expensive, uh, compared to probably five years ago even. And, uh, yeah, but I mean, this is one thing I like to point out. Um, a lot of foreigners say that handle people are very rude.

Speaker 1: 16:19

I haven't actually experienced it myself, but I've helped people.

Speaker 2: 16:23

Yeah. Heard people were saying that I'm like some people say maybe a little bit xenophobic. Yeah. But I think because have not, people are more reserved so they are more careful of who they are really letting eat. So a lot of foreigners in the North wouldn't be a sector as expat until they have learned certain amount of Vietnamese for example. Then the local treat them off fiercely, way nicer, whereas in the South is not really a problem. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Right. So yeah, so I feel that yeah. Even though there's a lot of tourists are expats in the Hanoi, but uh, due to our general attitude to uh, you know, that very selective about who we are welcoming, uh, E the impact has not been too great in any sense, which I like about as a local because like normally we don't want change. Normally we want to keep this ideal memory of the place we grow up. Yeah. So that's, that's just my thought.

Speaker 1: 17:47

And Vietnam and obviously Saigon is becoming such a like foodie culture, like F and B now is known worldwide for Vietnamese food. Yeah. But now like Saigon, especially just so many cuisines here, so many amazing restaurants, it's growing everyday. Like it's pretty cool. Like just how much good food you can get here that's not Vietnamese with,

Speaker 2: 18:10

yeah. I mean Saigon is, I think even that even more foot than in our note. And I love it cause uh, yeah. Also the foot here, uh, of, uh, because we have like bigger population and a lot of expats coming from, um, their own country, uh, being cheffing off. They bring over their foot in the most authentic way. So I really love the foot here in Saigon, but the problem is to travel out. Traveling to get is a, an issue. And then, yeah, I think, uh, yeah, once we believe in Saigon, they need to get used to the distance.

Speaker 1: 18:52

It's such a big city. Yeah. And I think it's easy to forget that sometimes. It's a massive, massive city.

Speaker 2: 18:59

Yeah. I never been to the Southern district here ever like Disctrict. Uh, 11 and 12. I actually never been there.

Speaker 1: 19:06

Yeah. Like district 10 a that way. Like I've never, yeah, maybe once or twice, but yeah, there's no reason to go much. I don't know what's there to be honest.

Speaker 2: 19:16

I mean if you know Southern good foot then maybe there's a reason for them to go out there. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 19:22

Cause there's, um, a Jamaican place. I don't know if it's new or I've just heard about it, but, um, the Jamaican police, it's not far from here. I want to try, it's meant to be amazing. And then I just saw something posted about an Ethiopian restaurant as well and I am the, I want to check that out as well. Um, just like, yeah, new things popping up all the time. Like just yesterday I went to the village grew. I don't know if you've heard of that and it just as like burritos and burgers and stuff. It's like amazing food and yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:49

Yeah. My, uh, ms friend came here and he said that he had the best Mexican food in the last three years. He in here in Saigon. Wow. So, uh, okay. Yeah, I'm glad. Where is that from? Do you remember? With district to a, what do you call it? Federal, federal, district federal

Speaker 1: 20:16

one of my favorites. That's one of the best has been really, really good. Yeah. Um, so you've been in Saigon for six years and I've been here three and I such a rapidly developing place. So I've seen the change massively in three years. What the biggest difference that you've seen in six years?

Speaker 2: 20:34

Oh, biggest difference I've seen in six years. The, um, the, uh, change in a hanging out place, like be far when I first came back here, right. We had a really big venue for events like cargo, which could, um, host around 400 to 600 people at once. Observatitory when it was still in a very obscure, underground place. So back then, um, everything was way cheaper. I'm such a cheap0, I suppose. Anything cheap it was, everything was just way cheap. And then we could hang out, you know, I'm way longer and I feel like, Oh, maybe because I'm getting out. That's why I don't hang out that late anymore. But I feel like in the last six years, Saigon has become more commercial in a way, uh, which is not a bad thing, but, Oh, and so I feel like it limits certain, um, development in the, in city.

Speaker 1: 21:49

Yeah. I mean it comes with, it's like the price of development, right? Like new buildings. It's becoming a more modern city. It's going to be, unfortunately it's going to become more expensive than it is already, you know, more expensive. Yeah. So I guess one of these trade offs, right? Like we get all these new food and we get these new bars and we get these new buildings and new apartments and it's all lovely and it's like, Oh, but everything's not as cheap as it used to be.

Speaker 2: 22:12

Yeah. And also the fact that a lot of the expats, because you know, like I work mostly me in the entertainment scene and uh, and the art scenes and um, most of my exposure is to those kinds of scene. So what I've seen is that like the expat, um, about six years ago, they were still very enthusiastic. So they came out and then display themselves guy of like, Hey, I have this thing, take a look at me. And so, um, they, there was my excite that so, but then I think after six year, um, they kind of withdraw a little bit and then, uh, now they go back to us, smaller kind of a community instead of spreading them out throughout the whole city, like before. So that's why it create this, uh, maybe feeling like, the scene has shrunk.

Speaker 1: 23:04

The, the, the creative scene or the music thing,

Speaker 2: 23:07

diff, uh, seeing has shrunk. But, uh, also this is a interesting thing I want to talk about because when I've been to Hanoi, probably because of the size of the CD, the creative scenes is more, I'll say a steadily growing over there. Like they, I feel like people go out more for events over there than, uh, people here do. Um, on some of the side of city could affect that because in Hanoi, like in one night you could go to three events, whereas in Saigon I think the most you could go is two events. Most,

Speaker 1: 23:48

it's an interesting point. Yeah. Cause I put on events and sometimes it can be difficult to get people to come out and I never, I didn't think about the size of Saigon as being a reason why. Because you know what, it's like people live in the D two bubble and bubble. People live in the[inaudible] bubble. And so once they get home or some people just work and live there, so it's really difficult to get them to come out. And many events are in the one right in the central of the city. But not many people actually live in district one. Right. So anytime you have an event now, yeah, you're asking people to leave their bubble. So interesting. So using Hanoi cause it's smaller and more concentrated, the better response. Interesting. But see, usually you, you're saying from your perspective, you think the creative scene has had kind of dispersed over six years. So in the three years I've been here, I feel like it's increased in Saigon. I feel like, cause when we first got here, there wasn't so much going on. Like stand up comedy for example, we can get into that. But for standup comedy, there was nothing happening here. When we got here three years ago, there was like one open mic night. It was Brian and Diana do shoes. I don't know if you ever went to that. That was in emergency room.

Speaker 2: 24:58

Uh, I, uh, well when I came into the scene, they already left.

Speaker 1: 25:03

Yeah. So then they left, they went, they left them two years ago, I think. Yeah. And so there wasn't much going on in comedy. I don't really think there was much going on in music. There was no venues like you're saying. And it's interesting you brought up cargo because actually Damien is going to be a guest on a future episode and we're going to talk about cargo and, and what happened in the music scene. And so I got introduced to him through a friend called Chris Dundon. And so, uh, I'm really excited to, to, to meet him cause I don't know him and um, find out more about the music scene and why there's not as big of a music scene here as I probably should be. But yeah, I think that of the three years that the, the amount of events like gender funk and the, all the comedy events and there's live music every night, I feel like there's more and more. But I, I'm, yeah, I'm not sure how well attended they all are.

Speaker 2: 25:52

Maybe the diversity, um, of the event. I mean there are more events nowadays, but like, um, maybe I hope for more diverse, not, not to say diverse cause now we have like a lot of LGBTQ events, comedy events. But I hope everything just, you know, everything gets to flourish is that uh, being kept in a box for such an extended period of time because in the last two years I would say, uh, the, the growth seems to be stumped in a way. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:38

And know I've looked into this because it's come up a couple of times. So I was about a hundred thousand ex-pats here and a city of 10 million people. So the expats make up like a tiny percentage of it. And obviously Vietnamese people absolutely come to these events, but a lot of them are, I mean most of them are English based. A lot of people here speak English but not everyone. They are kind of catering for almost an ex Pat tastes I guess. So do you think that's what maybe PR stunts, attendance or people attending these events because actually this the, in terms of the ex Pat community, it's a village of 100,000 people.

Speaker 2: 27:15

Yeah. Cause whatever I talk, um, I refer to as in T entertainment scene. I mostly refer to the expat entertainment scene for the local entertainment. I think, um, they are doing well. I am. Yeah, pretty much. It's more happening.

Speaker 1: 27:33

So what, I'm interested to hear the censor, what the Vietnamese people do for fun socially that I wouldn't know about right? Because I'm sure there's so many events that are posted in Vietnamese. Facebook groups are posted in Vietnamese and I have no idea about it. Is the other a bunch of things going on I have no clue about because I'm clueless.

Speaker 2: 27:54

I'm gonna sound like a Vietnamese hating Vietnamese, but I mean Vietnamese, I don't know. But like most of my friends, they like to go to pop in bar and EDA clapping and stuff like that. I feel like because a Vietnamese, uh, when we grow up, we don't have the luxury of going to a, uh, really happening music festival. So I feel like people, um, I'm more interested in something. Does that noisier. So that's why you hear about on these like vena house just hammering into your head. I don't get me wrong, like some local club do play like really good music. Good. He popped good mix. I've got house music, but then most of the time I feel like, uh, people in Vietnam, they just want a place to hang out to. Uh, and then they haven't really paid so much attention to the quality of things yet. So if you ask what Vietnamese usually do in their free time, I would say they just won a brick from thinking and it's not like we think a lot. So they usually go out for drink a drink a lot, go to loud clap. Uh, and then if people have their own family, then maybe they would just stay at home. And I have good time with family. Um, for younger people I feel like, um, we don't have much options for them because, um, as I observed from my younger friends, most of the time they would just go around and eat. They don't really have a venue to go there and be exposed to a different kind of performance, uh, or maybe even cultural event. And it's really difficult. But because the thing is that, um, due to our educational system, we don't really have a strong LA commonly shit cultural background. Yeah. And I think that's difficult to have some sort of a platform that could reach, um, more people than uh, compared to like as the, um, seen in different country.

Speaker 1: 30:31

I would, well I think there was amazing with Vietnamese people is how much they love to just socialize and talk. Right. And I was making this point to a friend recently that I think us as Westerners, we need an excuse to go out to, we need to go watch sports and stare at a screen. We need a quiz night. We need live music. We need something to, to make us go out and talk to each other, right. And drink. Whereas Vietnamese people can just sit and just talk. And the reason I realize this is because I run quiz nights and trying to get, move in to meet people to come and have my Vietnamese friend brought all of her friends. They paid no attention to the quiz at all and just sat there and talked all night. And I wasn't mad. I was like, this is incredible. They don't need an excuse to like sit and hang out and have a reason to talk. They just sit there and talk.

Speaker 2: 31:17

Um, this is interesting because you bring it up. Uh, also I think the reason why not that many Vietnamese go to event like a life band me with them concept is because I feel like Vietnamese, uh, uh, not comfortable at I expressing themselves their reaction to something that's out of ordinary. Like let's say we socialize by talking because talking is normally like a, the simplest interaction ever. But once you put up performance day, people just don't know how to react appropriately. So that's why they prefer not to involve that, this alien element. So explain that a little bit more to what would be acting inappropriately or what would be a appropriate reaction? No, no. It is on according to their standard like, ah, when I go to watch a comedy show for example, for you guys, it's no brainer, right? You go to a comedy show, you laugh. Like the louder you laugh, the better for everyone over there. But I notice that a lot of Vietnamese people go to comedy show and then they look like they're not sure how loud they shouldn't laugh.

Speaker 1: 32:38

Yeah. Is that, and is that tied into saving face or am I getting that? Sorry, is that related to saving face or am I,

Speaker 2: 32:44

yeah, kind of is like a, and especially maybe or just me, but I notice that especially Vietnamese guns, they don't feel really comfortable to just let you laugh a lot like a Hey now whatever. They don't want to stand out because that's just how they are taught normally. Like maybe women short, not laugh too loud in public, but once they pass a certain age, then they have this anti laugh, which is like really terrorizing scary. But like, uh, once they, um, as were young, I think they haven't made it to the point of, um, you know, um, being able to express themselves, uh, carefree. Yes, they should.

Speaker 1: 33:30

And that is really tied into, you know, that educational background, that cultural background where not really encouraged I guess to do that.

Speaker 2: 33:39

Right. Yeah. Is um, basically to be more reserved because in school, I'm not sure about nowadays, but back in my day, if you express yourself a little bit differently from the nom, uh, you usually, uh, attracted really, uh, unwanted attention from teachers. And sometime even punish for just being loud, let's say if you dye your head and you will have to face and less complaint from your own family member and does the thing you don't want. So, um, yeah, but then I feel like, uh, with uh, the internet and own this, uh, exposure to foreign culture, I feel like people are becoming more open minded. So it will take time for things to take a better tone, I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:33

So let's talk about your comedy then. So you, uh, I would say you're a pretty famous comedian in the Saigon scene, in the Vietnamese scene and even maybe in Southeast Asia. Um, I've seen you perform from I think near the beginning. Yeah. Like, cause I were, when did you start? I've been here for three years and I've been going to shows the whole time I started in September, 2017. Yeah. So that would've been here. Yes. I've, I've seen you from the beginning. Yeah. So how did you get into comedy? How has that been as a so not only as a female comedian, Vietnamese female comedian, and you're doing it in your second language.

Speaker 2: 35:10

Oh, interesting that you ask because the thing is that, um, what happened in, in two, um, 2017, I went through a really a deep period of depression. Uh, and uh, at that time I didn't know it was depression, but I noticed that I couldn't communicate, uh, verbally. Not that I could know very well, but back then I just totally lost my ability to communicate, especially in English. I went to work, try to present my ideas and no one could get it. And my boss were like, what's wrong with you? Like you used to be better than this. And I thought it was because I live in Vietnam for so long that my English had become rusty because we follow these, I live in Singapore in Malaysia for 10 years, so I got to use English more often. However, when I'm back here, then maybe I didn't get to use it that much anymore. So I was like, okay, let me go and see her, what I could do about this. So I went and asked my friend who is really, you know, and now the comedian, I asked him if there's any English club I could dry out, Toastmaster club and stuff like that. Um, which was tricky because my English level, which has not fit into any of the available club at that time. So, uh, we lived, suggested me to maybe try stand up comedy so, uh, I could, uh, improve my public speaking and at the same time, you know, have more humor in my life to improve my situation, hopefully. And that's when I started. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:52

And that was standup comedy, something you'd always been interested in. Had you been a fan of the, the art form or was it, was that at this time you decided, I'm going to give this a try?

Speaker 2: 37:02

Uh, I didn't really watched that much standup comedy before 2017. Like before that I only knew a Mitch Hatchbuck and Sarah Silverman, those other two comedian eyewash and all those. But then also not that often either. Uh, but however I did read a lot of, a few more column, uh, in a magazine or like reading some guardian[inaudible] so I was super into like[inaudible] kind of humor. So, so once I stopped at a standup comedy, um, my, uh, interests in writing humor, uh, kind of help. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 37:50

So tell me about that process then. So what was the process from you deciding, okay, I'm going to do standup comedy to then getting on stage? How did that play out?

Speaker 2: 37:58

Oh, I a the techo workshop and it helped me in a way, cause we follow these. I was also kind of familiar with performing onstage. I took piano lessons and I took guitar lesson and for both I've been performed in, uh, like beside the, in big concert hall just because our school could have fought it. So I was already familiar with life cropped. So one as I perform comedy, I think it was not something really new to me, but it was, I just need to do a little bit of adjustment and I think I got a hang of it.

Speaker 1: 38:44

Well, we know you're very funny. So obviously if anyone hasn't held you, you're very raunchy. I would say very dirty, very sexual. Uh, was that like a conscious decision? Like, like, so I don't know you as a person, so I don't know. Do you, I don't know if that's your persona offs. Is that an onstage persona or is that, that's just you in normal life? Like, yeah. Tell me how did that, how did that onstage kind of material, where did that come from?

Speaker 2: 39:11

Oh, um, so this is funny because a lot of people think that I'm very raunchy, I'm very dirty and stuff like that, but this is what I told JJ, another comedian is that people usually, uh, underestimate my ability to be normal thing is that, um, I was brought up in, uh, by a mother who was very masculine, a very strong woman, but on, so very masculine in her way of thinking. And dealing with things. And I was, so, I grew up with a brother. So, uh, on the time I would fluctuate between being really girly and being really boyish. So once I approach a sexual topic, I would approach it with the curious. I almost childish rather than some, you know, like sexy around she owed out point of view. I think it worked out well. Like um, people just take it whatever way they want. Like don't, the old man would thing I'm very sexy. And then younger girls are thing I'm very empowering in a way, which is nice for me.

Speaker 1: 40:22

So was that a conscious decision? Like this is the pursuit. I want to be like this raunchy comedian. I want to tell these dirty jokes over the, they just came naturally to you.

Speaker 2: 40:31

I think it's also, um, it's like I have no choice cause you know, I am doing standup comedy and the thing is that yeah, you need to find something relatable to the, um, that anyone can relate to. And my audience is such a huge mix. A people coming from different countries, a UK, U S you already know there's a huge difference in culture over there, a little bit of Vietnamese. Uh, and then, uh, it's really difficult to find a topic that I could talk about and everyone could understand. So I resolved to just toilet humor and Dick jokes. Those are always what people say, so that it's, it's, it's an easy topic to write about, you know? But, uh, I think if you can do it well,

Speaker 1: 41:20

I just want to say easy, but you got to do well, right? Like some of my best jokes are Dick joke and I'm like, I'm like, that should be able to come up with something better than that. But they get the biggest laughs. And the funny,

Speaker 2: 41:33

if you see a, like some like world-class famous comedians, sometimes they, for their horse special, they just talk about Dick and tits and genitals and still they can capture your attention for hours. That means they do it really well and there's no shame in doing the dirty jobs. Of course, you're gonna get fewer gigs. As a matter of fact, I'm gonna have to MC for a startup event and the requirement needs to clean to do clean comedy. And I think I'm stuck. I think I'm going to struggle.

Speaker 1: 42:15

So what's been the reaction then as a Vietnamese female to you, the content of your comedy into your performances? Um, cause you can touch on that a little bit different to like an old man to a female. Cause I mean I know, I've obviously seen you perform. I've been shocked sometimes I, especially in the beginning it's like Whoa, what is she talking about? This is, and it's hilarious. And I've seen like Vietnamese people in the audience. I just been like, I can't believe what you're saying. You know, how has that been thing? I was just born with it.

Speaker 2: 42:45

That was a field like this. This has been an issue. When my mom was still alive, she was very scared of taking me to a um, family gathering. You know? Cause I would say something very outrageous. And for my mother's side, everyone was very traditional. So sometimes I would say something and everyone would just keep quiet and then they complained to my mom later on. But it's funny, we go, once I moved to Saigon, which I am, most of my family here was on my father's side. I figured out that they also had no field though probably I inherit that. There's no feel of the from my father's side, like my aunt would tell her future daughter in law, like don't try to go there in my Sunday. We got nothing for you in on the wedding day in front of the parents in LA. So I dunno, it does our thing. I think it just[inaudible].

Speaker 1: 43:44

And so what's your family's been to your comedy?

Speaker 2: 43:47

Have they come from no, like, uh, my brother tried to come to support me actually. Like whenever I took part in a competition he would be there to provide, uh, some moral support. Uh, but I think it's more like to talk shit about me to other contestant. But other than that, my family doesn't really know what I'm doing and I think they have no interest to find out what I'm doing either. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 44:14

But have they heard about it? They know like they're aware of it and what you're talking about.

Speaker 2: 44:18

I think they are aware of it, but the thing is that they are not sure what stand up comedy is about. So in their head they just think of me as being like a comedian in a very Vietnamese tradition, traditional sense. And uh, they're just surprised because I'm in their eyes. I am not funny at all.

Speaker 1: 44:39

And so what is a traditional Vietnamese comic then?

Speaker 2: 44:42

Very slow. A slapstick. Very. Um, I feel like in order to do traditional Vietnamese comedy, you either were born with or without it. So like you have to be really vocal, really, um, joyful, like this thing just radiate from within instead of something that you could learn and um, you know, shopping throughout the years like English, standup comedy. So more like a clone is, is would be like clownish is that tile clownish I'll maybe like, um, hacking man sort of thing. Yeah. You need to be able to, uh, um, leave all this kind of energy. Whereas in, uh, English stand up comedy, you, if you are not by energy thick, then maybe you could resolve to a moderate, low key or dry humor.

Speaker 1: 45:35

Yeah, yeah. As common as some, some of the funniest comics are those ones where they just are just Soho, like, yeah. Dour or like low key in public. Just so funny because I spoke to you once before about like, as like, could we do a short where it's, uh, comics in VI, like speaking in Vietnamese and then to you explained to me like, yeah, it's just kind of like not possible. Right.

Speaker 2: 45:58

Some people are doing it. Um, actually I think I'm gonna check out this, uh, stand up Vietnamese, uh, Vietnamese stand up comedy show next week. 14 of our girls, some guys are doing it in Vietnamese and I, because he owned the venue and he had all these logistics, so he just tried out. I heard from my friends who, um, came to see the first shower, they said that, um, it seemed like maybe it is possible to do stand up comedy in Vietnamese, so I'm gonna check it out. But like personally for me, I still find it difficult to do it in Vietnamese. So explain them. Why is it difficult in Vietnamese? I think the nature of our language is just so, uh, it's not built to, uh, be able to construct a punch line. Um, so let's say, uh, you know, to establish a premise, a build up and then their punch lie in English, it just gonna take you like three or four sentences. Whereas in Vietnamese you'd need probably finding it just, there's just no, also there's just no subsidy. In Vietnamese I feel that like in English you can say the effort, uh, like talking about genitals and everything and they still do not sound that vulgar. But then in Vietnamese it sounds like something really bad. Like it's more bad done. It tastes funny. That's a problem.

Speaker 1: 47:35

Jason is more difficult to be subtle when we have a new endo and

Speaker 2: 47:40

yeah. Is that what it is? It might be like the, it made the comedian South, uh, be positive. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 47:49

Europe, you've got it. You've got big presence on social media or I don't know, big presence, but you're a big fan. You use, you post a lot, right?

Speaker 3: 47:58

Yeah, I had a lot of free time on my hands so I find it interesting. I guess

Speaker 1: 48:08

this part of the day in age that we live in the social media age normally only do I know you through watching your comedy, I know you S through just seeing your social media posts because you are so frequent and as I kind of mentioned in the beginning, I don't really know you, I would say it of comedy or social media. So I see kind of your life through social media and, and you mentioned earlier you have suffered from depression and I did see that through your social media posts and I didn't even know is that a couple of your shows and it was when you were posting about as you did seem like down and I was like, Oh hope she's okay. Like you didn't seem like you were doing too well, thankfully. I mean I, I noticed the change both online and both at your shoes that you just like, you suddenly looked so much happier. You are posting the, you're doing better. And so that was good to see. And so how are you doing with that? I hope you're doing well.

Speaker 2: 48:59

I'm doing a better, I guess there's like a, I feel struggling with a depression. I really don't want to use these words because I feel like I um, like depression is not part of my personality, just the site. So a, I mean I feel kind of embarrassed like in the first year of doing comedy somehow I use depression as a comedy stage.

Speaker 3: 49:25

Yeah. I mean I, I've been doing well I feel like

Speaker 2: 49:28

once I get to resolve on my personal problem, my company might like comedy just take a better term. Uh, and uh, it become more purposeful, I hope more inspiring to other people instead of just being this round thing I put out every month cause I'm just too self absorbed. And what's the kind of support like in Saigon? In Vietnam for mental health at the moment? I would say a, it depends on what kind of language you're speaking. So I mean the two main language spoken here would be Vietnamese and English, four Vietnamese. I think, uh, the direction is more to what the psychiatry, uh, psychiatric or treatment. So a lot of my friend, uh, went for consultation, uh, for mental health in a hospital and stuff like that. And um, they usually end up with a prescription, uh, which is all right. I mean those our own professional doctor helping you out. Um, but I feel like again, um, the accessibility of information of where to go for treatment and stuff like that, I'm not that, uh, uh, well known among Vietnamese community. And also there's a certain stigma for people who try to get help for their mental health in Vietnam. Whereas if you speak English, that seems to be more private facility, more easily accessible places like, um, industry tools, that whole bunch of, uh, center you can go to, uh, in this receiver and you can book an appointment with a private therapist. So there's definitely more options, uh, easier options for people who speak English. And, um, and then there are also a Facebook group that, uh, offer help, like you could message to them so that they could tell you where to go to look for help. Uh, link you up with a, um, professional who they are cooperating to run the page. What's the name of the page for anyone? Uh, Saigon used. Um, I mean the father expat group, they used to be a gluco Saigon support group. Um, they are not active at the moment, but still they can provide you with the information if you need it. And then I think for Vietnamese as a group, because the beautiful mind is that in written in English or written it is written in English. Um, but like the whole page is in Vietnamese, so you could just go there, um, to uh, message people. Um, and then, uh, I think the page, uh, is run by people who have a, like a professional degree in the field. So yeah. So there is support. So you would, to summarize, you would like, um,

Speaker 1: 52:41

in Vietnamese they just like they give you a prescription.

Speaker 2: 52:43

Yeah. Like if you go to hospital and stuff like that, like you don't like, um, local in local hospital, you don't have the luxury of having a therapist who keep track of you. Uh, you just go there like on, um, like on[inaudible] appointment and then seeing random doctor until like maybe your so severely sick then maybe they are PSI or a doctor to you personally. But uh, whereas in a center English speaking, some of the more likely there's a certain therapist that would be specifically assigned to you and keep track of your progress. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 53:25

So it's been good to see that you're in a better place. And I noticed that in your performances and on your social media, what helped you get to the better place?

Speaker 2: 53:35

I think being more aware of, uh, options to help myself out of the, uh, dire situation, uh, because we follow this, uh, um, very self absorbed kind of like, uh, cause I've been through a really difficult time. My mom passed away. I had to move out to live alone by myself. Uh, I lost her job. Uh, I tried to get back to working, but only so, uh, I didn't feel well physically and mentally. So again, like a lot of thing on my plate, I could and take care of it. Uh, and, uh, I think my brain would just overload. And also I didn't have any outlet to release only sort of frustration on this build up negative energy. But, um, recently I got more into a fitness, uh, I got into dancing at dance Mav than, so, uh, physically speaking I got to be my active and is a mind body thing. Like once your body get Marty, if your my get clearer, like there's more clarity to your thinking, which have a lot with, um, dealing with depression, I would say no, it's not gonna totally remove your symptom of depressions. One is why those symptoms still show up, but at least you have this clarity to be aware that, okay, I'm not feeling well. I need to get help now before this becomes too bad and getting out of the pen.

Speaker 1: 55:15

Awesome. So what advice would you give to anybody who maybe is listening and maybe feeling something similar? Well.

Speaker 2: 55:21

Um, I think the best advice I could get is to, um, uh, never afraid to ask for help cause that would be the first step to get out of the difficult situation. Cause you need to remember that, uh, no one could survive by themselves. Like maybe you are, you are very self reliant. Maybe you're very independent but only up to a point then you're going to have to ask for help. And there's no shame about it. Like people are willing to help you. It's funny because once I got really, really bad, even stranger is like high school friend. I haven't taught a to fall seven years suddenly reach out to me after they read my Facebook post. I only, because I don't know who's gonna be there to help me. So that's why I put things on Facebook kind of like, Hey, I'm not in a good place but I don't know who can help me. So this is just, you know, that's an invitation. And then suddenly like people, you know, strangers, someone who never talked to me in real life or someone I haven't talked to for years suddenly reach out and help me. So yeah, like once your, your running into problem, just ask for help and you'd be surprised where those have come from.

Speaker 1: 56:50

That's awesome. Good advice. Um, do you feel, um, like you're a trailblazer or a role model for, for other like Vietnamese comics or Vietnamese gurus? Women? No cause cause there's not many Vietnamese comics, female, Vietnamese comics and especially not, you're being pretty successful. You've won competitions. You've tooled,

Speaker 2: 57:17

I feel like I just have the right combination of element to be able to afford doing it cause uh, financially, um, mentally, culturally I am just equipped to do it. Like, um, so I wouldn't say like, Oh Vietnamese female, I'm not doing comedy because they are not that brave or anything. Like now they, they are like a lot of female who has stronger, smarter than me, but maybe because they had better things to do. So that's why I'm so in any way I'm, I, I don't think I'm a role model for anyone. Um, does a maybe an example of uh, okay, that's an option out here. If you want to try it and you can try it. Yeah,

Speaker 1: 58:11

pretty good. That's it. You're a trailblazer. So let's move on to the questions that I'm going to ask at the end of every episode. We've got new questions from. See that's the big difference between season one and season two. We have new questions. All right. I feel like I missed a trick in season one not asking this question because the name of this podcast is 7 million bikes. Um, because there are over 7 million bikes in Saigon registered anyway. Oh my God. I thought it's a whole country. No, just think it's like seven and a half million.

Speaker 2: 58:48

12 million people save 1 million bucks. Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1: 58:51

So, and have someone has asked me like, what are you going to do? And it's over 8 million Bay. Say, well, I'm not going to change the name of the project is, does that says the name now? Um, so what kind of bait do you drive? Do you drive a bake?

Speaker 2: 59:03

Yeah, I do drive a bike on my bike is nausea. Like it's like a very cheap and light scooter for entry level scooter. For any ladies out there who are too weak to maneuver the bike by herself.

Speaker 1: 59:21

And what do you, how do you deal with Saigon

Speaker 2: 59:23

traffic? Um, I just try to be as Zen as possible, so be before this, when, uh, I drive somewhere, I need a hit phone to listen to music and stuff like that. But I realized that, uh, in the long run that actually make me more frustrated than I should have been. So now when I'm stuck in the traffic, I would just zone, now I'll talk to myself, I'll go over my material in my head. Yeah. I, and then I figured out just, you know, by getting very within yourself, Tom kind of pass a little bit faster.

Speaker 1: 1:00:04

Cause I, I think one of the biggest miracles ever is the lack of road rage in Vietnam and in Saigon because you know, road rage is such a big thing in the West for like main are things here. It just mind blowing what happens on the roads. Nobody kills. I think that's why Buddhism is that. You think that's the Buddhist influence?

Speaker 2: 1:00:28

Yeah, I think he's a Buddhist influence. Like what can you do? You just have to accept it. It's not like if you become angrier than the terrific on a move faster.

Speaker 1: 1:00:37

Interesting. Now if you, if people are listening and that all live have lived in Saigon or live in Saigon, they will know that you sometimes see some very strange things on a beak. What is the oddest thing you've seen on a vape like

Speaker 2: 1:00:53

rebel too? Honest things I've seen on a bike like uh, around my, the area I live in, there was a mannequin menu Fetchero. So sometime I would see like, especially at night, this is very creepy where people transport like a Taso or hate or a body part. That one time I saw an arm on a street and I was freaked out. It's like, Holy fuck, someone was on the street. And then as it turned out, it was just, um, you know, the delivery man, just drop an arm there. I looked really horrible at night. And there's also a bounce of hits on stuff like that. Yeah. It's not

Speaker 1: 1:01:38

funny you say that because wasn't on a bake for my wife and I haven't gone down the road on her bake. And there was a guy walking with a mannequin and he just had like a torso and we were freaked out as well. We're like, what's that? And then it was like, Oh, it's just a mannequin. Yeah. And then what's the second one?

Speaker 2: 1:01:55

Second one is that I think there's a local theater near my place as well. So a once in awhile I would see people dress up in a, like a ancient cloth. And because we own the, you know, like Flamboyan Haydew of the ancient character, they couldn't wear a helmet. So just like Tom trembling, you see these like really? Oh, I like Mandarin, you know, office of kind of person writing them.

Speaker 1: 1:02:27

They've come

Speaker 2: 1:02:29

a weapon like a spill or whatever. Going through the traffic is just like, it's very poor at that. You know,

Speaker 1: 1:02:36

I thought you were going to say with a mannequin. Oh yeah, that would be fun. All right, so, um, you've, you, this question is almost redundant because you've mentioned your unemployed, huh? Correction, freelancing, freelancing, freelancing. Okay. So you have 24 hours off. What do you do?

Speaker 2: 1:02:58

Uh, if I have 24 hours off, I would definitely, uh, watch something on Netflix. Um, fall like, uh, I like that. Docu-series so I'm probably watching Netflix for flowers more than that is not healthy.

Speaker 1: 1:03:13

What do you watch? What's your favorite? Sure. I know what we want to[inaudible]

Speaker 2: 1:03:16

the family is about this conspiracy. You should watch it yourself. Any sort of a conspiracy theory documentary.

Speaker 1: 1:03:26

Yeah, and I mean I've been into that. I've kind of gone away from it cause I got too too far into it and I was like, I have to take a step away from it. What the family, what's the family?

Speaker 2: 1:03:37

Oh, right. It's about how Christian affect the politics in America. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:03:42

Interesting. All right. Now to four rows of net.

Speaker 2: 1:03:45

Yeah. Four hour Netflix. And then after that probably order some food from a outside. I love just eating food in my own home of costs. Like everyone has a, I don't think much. I don't like really boring person and spend the rest of the day sleeping. I guess

Speaker 1: 1:04:02

just like, let's get to it. You can probably hear biscuit maybe snoring throughout the episode as always. But she's an angel. She's just sleeping here quietly

Speaker 2: 1:04:10

and maybe I go out for coffee is always good to like have coffee sitting by Ariba or any Kaia a body of water and then enjoy your drink. Yeah. All right. Um,

Speaker 1: 1:04:22

no. So if you had the next week to explore Vietnam, where would you go?

Speaker 2: 1:04:28

I probably love to go to go up to the North again cause I love these places like China, meaning I can always go back there and just, you know, uh, rent a bike and just, I'm a bicycle to cycle around. That would be amazing. Other than that maybe I would love to go to uh, the mountain area like has on, have you been before? Yeah, I've been there once before. It was such a amazing trip where we got caught there in like if you, have you been to has that haven't fallen like yeah. Like if you go back a little bit, let that needs us own fuck around and you couldn't see anything. Yeah,

Speaker 1: 1:05:15

we were really unlucky. We got really bad weather for the first two days. Energy from raining that will tell you when it was called and air foggy as well. It's horrible but still like unbelievably beautiful. Luckily for the last two days they cleared up a funny story with that has Ang I am, took my phone out to look up our map or something like that. We went up the Hill and I went to get my phone, I had to take a picture and it wasn't in my pocket. I was like, I've dropped it. So I went back to where I last had it and we scouring the road the whole time. Couldn't find that at all. So we get on like in find my phone on my wife's phone. Yeah. And we can see that it's moved and it's down in the Valley. So we went up like the Hill and it was in the Valley so we literally went door to door on the bakes dogs like we were terrified mill just like, like we can't speak Vietnamese, we will just like didn't Y Y like probably don't even understand what we're saying. One guy was like kind of tried to help us but couldn't help us and we were just about to give up when this woman obviously understood what we were saying and like pointed. Yeah. Oh and we text the phone seeing like if you have my phone, we texted from my wife's phone saying if you have my phone, we'll give you 500,000 like just like it was ringing. We were trying to call it, they weren't answering. Eventually we found it and it was just like two women with babies, two men and they had my phone. I was like, Oh my goodness. Amazing. I was like, okay. And they wouldn't give me back with her. Giving them 500,000 I even tried to negotiate and they're like, I can do numbers in Vietnamese. I was trying to be like, you know I'll, I'll give you a hundred thousand 200 wouldn't take less than 500,000 and they literally were like holding it hostage. Like holding it away from me and wouldn't even let me get both the, they gave it to me, I gave him the money, I was like right, whatever. You know it's like just over$20 get my phone back. We sat down and had tea with, we were in this Lake Valley in[inaudible] and there's just this like little basic wooden can. A house. Yeah we've got pictures with them. We sat down, we had tea and we just went on a[inaudible], a Cousteau. We literally were going door to door and this little Hamlet in the bottom of Valley just shouting didn't why didn't, why? And from my phone.

Speaker 2: 1:07:34

It's kind of funny like it's weird, right? Like normally you would think these people are like unfriendly too. What do you like? Funny cause you talk about your story cause I have a story like last about two years ago, um, my then boyfriend and I was, you know, like taking up bike right to being taught and then we crash into another bike. Like the crash was pretty horrible. And then they tr they wanted to beat up my then boyfriend cause um, according to them he was the reckless driver. But actually I think it was both about fault. It's no one's fault. I know I'm so everyone's fault. And they tried to beat him up and uh, I tried to talk them out of it, like a lot of screaming involved. I was just like, everyone calm down. They're like, we got to solve this. And um, after checking like I'm, they are not hurt at all. And then they see that my wife, then my friend, uh, had some sort of injury on his arm. They offer to take us to the hospital without asking for any compensation at all. I was like, Oh wow. That was all the fighting. It was falling.

Speaker 1: 1:08:45

Oh that's cool. That's good. Would come. And then, so my last question, um, do you have a hidden gym in Saigon that you can share?

Speaker 2: 1:08:53

You can Jamie the sidebar. I would say, uh, maybe around the neighborhood that I live in, there's a little sort of like Reba in district seven tombstone area. So it's really a nice place to sit down and have a cup of coffee looking out to the, our MIT campus from across the river, which was good cause last time, right now Bob Island was performing there. I got to listen to it for free.[inaudible]

Speaker 1: 1:09:28

Bob Dylan, we playing our MIT when a few years ago. Yeah, that's good. Going in there. He came over here to[inaudible]. I got to listen for free from across the river. That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's awesome. Maybe we'll check that out. Yeah. So, um, what's next for your accommodating like you've been to, you've just done a tour with a Jiechi Hobson who was a first guest in season one, uh, up in Hanoi. How was that?

Speaker 2: 1:09:55

Yeah, it was amazing. Like, uh, we got, uh, a lot of shows in such a short period of time. I think about six shows in, in a WIC. Uh, they, something like that. And ah, it was really cool thing to perform to a group of audience who are not familiar with us. Yeah. So we couldn't use our own material or whoever it was amazing. Like, and then we got to meet a lot of, uh, aspiring comedian and I'm like[inaudible] us a lot energy to like continue our journey back home. So that's great. Cool. So what's next? Uh, what next? For me, I think I'm just trying to write more new material but far more frequently. I know open Mike night go out from our open mic nights cause I think he's a really good training route on. So um, to uh, do more female centric comedy shows cause I feel like a female do not really have that many, a platform to express themselves, especially in this form of entertainment. So currently actually too that we got to have another installment of the banshee show, which is a own female company show. So, uh, I would love to be able to take part in that show as often as I could. And also offensive job matter. And then most of those shows are hosted and organized by NG, uh, the diva and now, yeah, I think I'm just gonna focus myself to do those two shows. Wow.

Speaker 1: 1:11:37

Nice. And so new meets you.

Speaker 2: 1:11:39

Yeah. Each month, each month, each month. So that hopefully, uh, and yeah, uh, talking about that, maybe I go onto a, uh, for September I already got an invitation to do a show in, we are going to do a new venue in amount and then in December I would go back to way with Jake[inaudible] to do a knock there as well. Cool. Yeah. Awesome.

Speaker 1: 1:12:04

Thank you very much. It's been awesome having you on. Great. Having a chat with you. Lots of fun and good luck with your future health and your future comedy, career development, faulty senior performing a laughing cause that is normally pretty funny anytime you're on stage. Okay.

Speaker 4: 1:12:19

Thank you. I'll go.

Speaker 1: 1:12:26

Thank you for listening to episode one of season two, 7 million bakes or Saigon podcast. It's great to have your back wherever you're a new listener. I hope you're enjoying the shore. If you haven't had any episodes before, then please call back, check them out there on the website, 7 million bakes.com or you can get them Google podcasts, Spotify, Apple podcast, Stitcher, and that was pretty much everywhere that you can get a podcast. You can find it. So check them out, give me some feedback. Let me know what you think. Are you enjoying this show? What could be better? You can leave on Facebook or you can send me an email, 7 million bakes@gmail.com and if you have any suggestions for anyone that you'd like to hear being interviewed, then let me know. That be great. I can get in touch and see if they want to come on. Um, thank you very much to my guest this week. It was a really, um, good to hear from.[inaudible]. Good to hear that she's been working through how her mental health issues and still been able to produce some hilarious comedy. She's definitely one of the funniest and uh, out there comedians that I've heard in my time in. So if you see a show of hers coming up, make sure you go check it out. And um, as always, thank you to lose, right, for composing the theme music and to Lynn when for helping me with the cover art that you can see everywhere. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and the next one's going to be a good one. It's going to be with Sen Lynn, who is a journalist who reports on a Minx amongst many things. She reports on sexual abuse in Vietnam. And so that could be a difficult episode for somebody to listen to if it is, feel free to give that a skip, but, um, if you're okay with listening to that, it's going to be a good one. So thanks again for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed that episode. I hope you enjoy future episodes and check out any of the old ones. If you haven't listened already,

Speaker 5: 1:14:07

have a great one. Thanks. Bye.