Damian Kilroy - Coracle Music Festival Organiser & Cargo Events Promoter | S2 Ep 3

Originally from Manchester, Damian Kilroy has lived in Vietnam for 10 years, 5 of those in Saigon, where most notably, he brought a raft of international artists to Saigon for the first time (Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Mac DeMarco, The Cribs, The Vaccines).

Now in Vung Tau, Damian is the owner of Cask Bar and is working on the 2nd year of Coracle Music Festival which takes place in Ho Tram at the end of November. The Lemonheads, Ca Hoi Hoang, Fleetmac Wood and The King Khan & BBQ Show are among the artists performing.

Listen to this episode to find out how to win one of three Coracle Music Festival tickets worth 1.5m vnd each!

Get your tickets for the Coracle Music Festival here.

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spk_0:   0:12
27 million bites a cycle cast. This is Episode three my name, you Mukai, and I'm your host. And today I have a guest who was suggested to me by Chris Stunned into massive thanks to Chris for suggesting Damien Kilroy and introducing me to a demon who's here today. Thank you very much. Question. So Damien used to put on events Chicago, which if you're or G seige Nia, you remember cargo, which was big music venue here in Saigon, put on a lot of events. From what I hear, this was before my time in Saigon. He's also a borrowing our club promoter and also the organiser off the Cortical Festival, which is coming up at the end of November, which is down in Champ, which is an arts and music festival that I'm looking forward to. I'll be heading down there and also as well. Damien has given away three passes to the Cortical festival for listeners. So stay tuned. And if you listen to the end of the episode, I'm gonna tell you how you can win those passes. They're worth 1.5 million. Don't eat, so thank you very much for giving them you're welcome to tell the bit about cortical. Then I'm looking forward to having Bean. Yeah, it's the second year it's myself. Rot,

spk_1:   1:28
who used to Chicago on their Lynn from Saigon. Outcast. So it's a collaboration between the three of us.

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It's one life stage one deejay stage a new resort this

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year. So there's an outdoor pool live stage on the beach at the deejay stages volleyball court. Such a nice spot which allows the ship You don't have to come with

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that one of this is that one of the barriers to people it is, even for

spk_1:   1:58
I'm almost 40 you know, I struggle. That's why it's only two nights. Because I do. So, um, yeah, just a bit more creature comfort. Say shower. I mean, that's probably why did nearly 40 is Well, yeah. I

spk_0:   2:16
mean, it's like in class debris, right?

spk_1:   2:18
Like glam people, packages and things like that. You go down and pay a pretty penny for it, right? Yeah. We're

spk_0:   2:24
not expect No, no meaning fast. Very show. Yeah,

spk_1:   2:28
Yeah. I think one goes probably nice. Yeah, but

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the lineups

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Great. We've got the Lemonheads playing this year. They played a cargo before so that coming back late, most coming back. So it's nice to have some of those eyes that played with before in cargo into happened.

spk_0:   2:49
Well, let's talk about cargo. And so I've had a lot about it on one of the things right. And I think this is how I

spk_1:   2:57
got talking to Chris about us. Well, I want live music. That's I'm from Glasgow, and you've probably got, like, a live music city by Ryan's got going there from another

spk_0:   3:08
young general when I was in class. All right. Every

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band that came to Glasgow would be like,

spk_0:   3:14
we love coming here. You guys are the best based on to every bandit would come, right And you're like, Yeah, but can it wait? Just say that everywhere you go right down and went to

spk_1:   3:26
my first gig in England and I was like,

spk_0:   3:28
You know, even my first

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gig and brought to the network When the orders that this is no see, many went to wonder was less run Bunches less crazy. I don't think people line and Noh gigs in the Camaro is black. Label wants a club in Australia right there. Rock and roll band. Everyone stood there. Yeah, Washington had the same experience. We're seeing the stone roses in Australia. Manchester bomb. And

spk_0:   3:53
seeing him in Manchester is insane.

spk_1:   3:55
You know, like the atmosphere that same Australian people stood around $100 for this. But I think plans go on Manchester quite similar in that respect. That kind of people who like to have a good time and like pot, uh, you're working? Yeah, like when you go out, you go out.

spk_0:   4:12
Yeah. I

spk_1:   4:13
can't go into the mystery of the black rebel motorcycle club. There's literally you could swing a cat between past and they went like classical, everyone's shoulder to shoulder on. That meant to me, If

spk_0:   4:23
you can push your way past somebody

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and you get the balls to do it strong enough, you get past them and then that's it. Ministerial. You could walk in between people and people were like,

spk_0:   4:33
Hey, we're

spk_1:   4:33
doing why Really? Yes. So

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much room. You just such

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a real experience. I think where we're from that thing of being barged about in the people in a gig, it's not seen as an aggressive, you know, you're not looking for trouble. Just accepted where I had that with stone roses. I was wanting jump up and down at the front and people get really pissed off. I know I'm

spk_0:   5:01
repeating myself here, but wait to see friends,

spk_1:   5:04
their financial from Glasgow stall in Philadelphia. And it was just the first album and come out. They were getting pretty big.

spk_0:   5:11
They came on the stage. How is

spk_1:   5:12
that going crazy? And I'm bouncing up and down everybody else to stand there, so

spk_0:   5:23
I'm getting off track with a cargo. So So tell the bit about the history

spk_1:   5:28
of cargo. But for people who would

spk_0:   5:29
know about it,

spk_1:   5:30
people don't. We'll run. North Star Chicago heated Bob Dylan back in 2011 our mighty.

spk_0:   5:39
So that's interesting,

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because that just came up in the prostate room into she. What's that from across the river? Right?

spk_0:   5:47
And I didn't

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know about Dylan come good at reading. People go,

spk_0:   5:51
Yeah, and then

spk_1:   5:53
when I moved to Saigon, used to do gigs in Croatian before, and then when I moved to Saigon, I was still getting e mails from agents about Artist wanted to play Croatia. I kept having to say, I don't live there anymore, that he had men It's like my company do something in Saigon. It's always going around looking at venues hard rocking that was nowhere suitable. And then I got took abroad because I knew Bob Dylan sat in his office.

spk_0:   6:23
I got

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a place, were opening and it was like, I don't know what we're doing. Yeah, you know, I got this new venue, but we need to start to go in it. And that was it. Really? The first show we did was with Frank Turner and acoustic show, and that went pretty well. And then we did Japan droids, the Crips. So a bunch of regular cakes, What rebel was probably the biggest one, and then when it closed.

spk_0:   6:49
And so that's what we're seeing

spk_1:   6:50
is like a mist live music, you know, just

spk_0:   6:54
there is music

spk_1:   6:55
you, but there's no label that you just to show them where we're from.

spk_0:   6:59
And I lived

spk_1:   7:00
in New Zealand before here, and

spk_0:   7:01
even then I missed

spk_1:   7:02
music a bit, but still sometimes came to join. That was pretty good, like never taking club. So

spk_0:   7:08
they are.

spk_1:   7:09
It's funny that black neighbour with you, because they are my favourite and I've seen them now in five countries. So we're having amazing tips. Did you meet them? Yeah, I looked after them for a couple of days. They were nice. I mean, kind of jet lag to you, Warren and the drummer was sick. But once they got on stage, yeah, they were class, but, you know, real professionals. And they played over two hours. Wei had about 900 people on that show. So that was that was probably the highlight. I think a lot of people sadly rock. Mr. It was the only gay chemist. He was in Cambodia. And that's

spk_0:   7:50
when I saw

spk_1:   7:51
him in New Zealand. The last time I was seven people. Your name? Good. I've

spk_0:   7:56
seen them in song in

spk_1:   7:56
Finsbury Park. Put Louise is well, it's a funny storey with, like, never taken. It was suddenly right advisable in university. You that, Mommy? Massively. Until you give them a show. Call me when you see this Phantom Appointments Black label. That's a ridiculous name. We're gonna go see a man pull black label more sacred club. And

spk_0:   8:25
you said, How you

spk_1:   8:26
gonna judge a band's music on me?

spk_0:   8:31
You know, that's a really

spk_1:   8:32
good point. Suddenly stupid. Right now All right, let's cheque him out unless they call the woman back. I

spk_0:   8:36
love the woman. Along with Tio. It's one of the things the names sound

spk_1:   8:42
ridiculous at first, but that would just get used to. It just becomes like way

spk_0:   8:46
went to see

spk_1:   8:46
them on the street you knew immediately, just unbelievable. So after that game we were outside, they will be here hanging out, saying the two of us. It's

spk_0:   9:00
just a first

spk_1:   9:01
album with you. I think it's not just the way we ended up hanging open drink. Jack Daniels brought a bottle of Jack Daniel's past the ground. We will chat. We threw them in there. If since then no direct role, these No, there wasn't much drinking going

spk_0:   9:17
that way. He'll know. I think all those guys

spk_1:   9:22
that went hard when the younger like yeah, a lot people, Why don't you

spk_0:   9:28
look after yourself at some

spk_1:   9:29
point? Like Bobby Gillespie? He's not drinking a while. This is a time when you start to look like you

spk_0:   9:38
can really do as long as you

spk_1:   9:41
give the impression on stage.

spk_0:   9:42
Yeah, so then tell me more about Kaga ball. So then it was getting bigger. You would

spk_1:   9:47
get more acts. But what is the reception booth? Sybil in public? I always feel that it was a little under supportive, you know, to think we had this great, then you inside gone. That was right in the middle, you know, just over the bridge district for I know. Even though, like we had some good gigs, that offence, there should be a couple more 100 people. And I have friends that will even went, You know what? A

spk_0:   10:12
couple of years,

spk_1:   10:13
they just They just get lazy. I think they said on TV and fight a few things like, always gonna go there. It's hard. I've gotta get back. Seal It has. If it was back home, you know, you couldn't live that close to you. Why? I mentioned this before. Yeah. I mean, I do a lot of things on my job. Really? Well, comedy, Nate. Something's telling. Getting people out we talked about before on the episode is very troubling to bubble serving bubble in there and get people to come out. Yeah, I never thought that compared to back, pretty normal to be like I'm gonna go to another part of it because even a kid like my teenagers. 16. 17. Whatever. Go into a gig in Manchester. I've lived in Memphis and I got the training into six. Gets a walk to the Apollo or the Academy. It wasn't considered an effort, you know, Just something did. And you tickets went on sale. You book a ticket straight away. I think there's a difference. Court here certainly would have been me, but experts once they get there, people getting global right, and I really believe it. Well, let's go back and

spk_0:   11:35
take a bit then because you said you nearly four

spk_1:   11:37
from Manchester who tells him that excites I'm 37 lives. Like I said I was safe for the race is going to school uses as well. And and I love the Manchester scene telling tales about that. Somebody's listening. You don't want to talk about what is the Manchester scene? Why was that important time on? I don't think it gave me some sort kind of belief or kind of aim. The light do things the right way to do things the way Quite selfish. Really. You know, I I think you know, we go out totally. Wilson Hacienda is often that we built this for the kids and then Alex rebelling for us. You know, we wanted to do something we like, and there's a There's an element of that obviously, like way get off bounds or act. Sometimes I used to be a car going, but I'm not.

spk_0:   12:27
And it might

spk_1:   12:28
have made sense financially. But there's always an element of life like that. We'll do that. And then even if you lose money, it kind of soften the blow. WeII did a show here with Wild piece. We were amazing life that was shall be lost Trump capture. But it's also the show that for the people who were that, that was probably their favourite, even more Southern rebels like me she was going to pass. That wasn't amazing. My Daniel, a friend of mine, knew that time like thank you for bringing me here. It's, you know, it's kind of a sick feeling in my stomach. Just lost a chunk of cash, but the people around you,

spk_0:   13:07
this's amazing contrast, feeling so who did you see

spk_1:   13:16
that? I mean, I went to like a lot stuff with my dad when I was a kid, but then, when I got, like 15. I went to the shower and a follow with makes when the self titled album came out. And then? Then I saw the stone roses on the second coming toward you. And then after that, just loads of balance even, you know, about starting up. Like how about you know, that we're on boats and things like that? Just anything that came about government, that we have so many small music venues, the road house. Suddenly not anymore. Revie Lounge, night and day. Loads of those small places. You could see some great gigs, even like trail with that American bank proceeded wriggle out 250 people, 10 quid a ticket. So there was always that stuff going on and that to grow up with that you take it for granted or you live in other places. I remember when I first went to Zagreb and no one had played that since the war. It was like all this was this was cool shit where the pixies played and this was it. Sounds like the day the music died, where was locked up that made him want to do some stuff back, and then that same aside on, I looked like, but he was music wise. Going on by no, like there's a lot of deejay stuff, you know, people based here that we're putting on B. J. It's fine, but live music is personally my my drug of choice. Why wasn't a music human when you go? I don't know. Like I think culturally. Still, it's not something a bit generally. You know, we talked about growing up in Glasgow and Manchester. I couldn't imagine when I was 13 14 I was buying the melody. Maker Enemy was obsessed with music, you know, listening to jump ill and new music wanted Teo one exposure. I think there's a kind of it's more like a commodity, you know, it's not disposable. I like that popular famous Ariana Grande Day Or Justin Bieber is No. There was no passion behind it, I think just being very excited right now because it's just a different culture. Short right, like we talked about, we grew up with that right? Some thinking about Europe. That's seven years when you were 15 U N listening to Manchester bands bands you completely different upbringing, so meats and why I get that but also at the same time. I don't really see it from the Vietnamese. Things like the bit means there's a few bands now that started in the last few years, like couple Wanger, really popular down there, playing car recall this year. Wait for the morning Mean a festival in 2015. Nobody came to see that, but they've done really well now and then. They played 3000 people next week in Saigon at 350,000 tickets. So things that working here that the kid's now, I think maybe that growth of the middle class white kids travelled abroad. It's something now that they they desire. Where was still counterculture? Still on alternative thing. But on the whole, if it's no, it's not a part of your culture, your life. You don't miss it. So and I think that that's the way like we have a couple of infamy. Staff were frozen. They didn't really get it until they experience our gigs. Remember, after the vaccine shelves like wow, that was so good has on my home says, You know, like, but there is no media support for that kind of stuff. No one's putting websites No. One, it's not played in Vienna. There's no exposure to try and get those kids to come to the gig. It's really difficult, you know, especially when it's 15 or $20.

spk_0:   17:14
And I guess

spk_1:   17:14
of the Vietnamese people are coming out because no culture, no, something into You're saying that because it's your passion and then you put other that's gonna come out and then they don't come out. So make that make it difficult, doubly difficult because you've got the local population are coming because they're not massively into here. But you are maybe gonna be, Yeah, I mean, because you like to think we can bank on that. They know if they have those bands it was always drinking with, like the British American, Australian Canadian, you know, like you could get about like, say, for example, the vaccine huge in the UK time that just might be able to arena and London, but no one in America, no one else, very with it, but someone like black rebel that we're not as big as the vaccines in UK time, but that they I had a hole in Australia. They have a phone in America and there was a bit older fans, so more people heard of them. That kind of made more sense. Uh, I think for Rose way always trying to get more. Remember when we did the Crips shell hit? We saw her Facebook page all in vain, and if he signed up, you got 100 100 k entry. We have about 60 kids that came to that with 100 k. Andrew. The idea that if we could do discount entry like young Vietnamese kids and get them in the door and they enjoyed it were exposed to it that hopefully you have born the Melvin. Somewhat loyalty that And that was the sort of long term plan even with the bar when we start simple expats wasn't really are a It was like you needed first, but we wanted to try and get young being amusing that we play a certain kind of music. And abba, we don't you YouTube changed music on and we have certain right drinks on a balcony. So we want to create that atmosphere that we want. You invented me. That's the long term aim on. Brain wants that cargo. And even now with the festival this year. Last year was a bit more like first year banking on act, perhaps this year with a capital crime with seven of cups. We've got a couple of Vietnamese bands playing good following, and I'd like to have life for the festival every year if we can do around it, said the of the total artist is being mean, then I'm happy with that. What was the biggest challenge in getting? That would be difficult. No, not difficult.

spk_0:   19:45
We have ourselves

spk_1:   19:45
a certain temple where that kind of fear works so we can get a band play for that much. Then that works. Sometimes you've got bands that were kind of big in the UK or in the US of we were playing Hong Kong and Singapore big fees, and they expected big money from there, so it required agents that understand where we're at on bands that understanding. We're not gonna make a lot of money. But if we play in Singapore and Hong Kong with conflict between, why no one's fans get it? Had a great time. You obviously for Morton Andre futile. As every everyone who comes here thinks that never quite mad, you know that big market. And if you think about how much does the British trying to get the first time you told America which was made first time? Nothing they lose to do it to build. I remember seeing the national Cabinet free in Manchester, which is 500 capacity. There's about 150 people for that shell. But the national wanted to be a man for the first time. No. So hey, Rosa's longest. The technical side. It's good, you know, with everything on stage. There's no surprises in that respect. Amplifiers, microphones and all that stuff they get, They get what they asked for.

spk_0:   21:12
You just get

spk_1:   21:12
a whole bunch of Carrie. We will

spk_0:   21:16
probably need one of those. Carrie I discussed with Chris one time

spk_1:   21:19
way I thought it was. I think we were really drunk. Except, you know what? Being great? Aye, There for a TV show is to get like a handful of musicians from different Brown's. Drop him in Vietnam for a week and say, You've got a week to source all your equipment and put on a show and then see what's what.

spk_0:   21:38
Get stereo speakers

spk_1:   21:40
on the corner of this gets out straight.

spk_0:   21:45
How was that was going to ask? How was

spk_1:   21:46
it getting the equipment? I think it's a lot easier now when we first started, which is about 2013. So about six years ago it was difficult. I think Fender has just come in then. So, like we could start a fender amplifiers for just marshals everywhere. So little specifics. You know, I ended up by an orange amplified for the cribs that I was in the UK and brought it back with me because you couldn't get exemplified, say, with time. Or if you could do, like, double the price of what they were. So the worst tricky thing. Think now, uh, there are a lot more suppliers. There's a lot more equipment, So I intend to The festival we like safe. Would you be able to do on the car? Probably probably. I mean, we always wanted today festival. Even from Day one and Rob have lined up in the Navy, we actually checked out Look, today something they want that the idea for those was to do stuff Chicago and create something going inside. Gone where people used to go into a big thing, a destination Festival. Whether I like all that shows, so it's built on some kind of foundation round. It's a big risk to go in and say Right, we're gonna pawn a festival a few hours outside of Saigon Now that that stuff doesn't exist hasn't happened inside. The

spk_0:   23:16
reason I asked

spk_1:   23:17
the question do six years ago because I'm just thinking of something may be listening right? See, haven't Bean to know that people who fit that criteria and

spk_0:   23:28
one of the questions

spk_1:   23:29
I would ask in Season one was. What's the biggest misconception about

spk_0:   23:36
one of the answers?

spk_1:   23:36
He came back a couple of times, but I really thought I would. The people said their friends and family back home, we would think of Vietnam. Is this like 1/3 World country, really destitute in poverty, which obviously we know that there is that in places but for being experience of living in Saigon in 2019 very modern city. You get almost everything you need to talk about your old cuisines and things like that, but I know I'm talking to people six years ago, 10 years ago, in beyond

spk_0:   24:08
the mat

spk_1:   24:08
next bout this week, looking for 24 years on its home, or it would have been completely different. I'm just thinking of context. Have you been able to put on these shores like could you get beat? Obviously rapidly changing and it's opening up to the world. I just think I must have it

spk_0:   24:25
if you could maybe say I mean it was tricky.

spk_1:   24:28
And again, hi, rinsed affair is more expensive than in the UK or in Croatia, which seems ridiculous because you think, like how much your staff getting paid compared to what's that get paid. Okay. But I think because there weren't that many supply, it's. And also, if you say I've got, like, 505 storeys, how often are they hide out, like in Manchester that behind out every night, you know, it's it's a viable business. Teo, hide back to run out back line in UK. Where is it? I think he wants back. I'm not sure if it is. Yeah, even still. You know, they cos hi. Right back line Also do sounded like everything. It's a one stop shop. Where is the UK? You could get just the back line high business that specialise in that never ending stuff out all the time. So we could even staging and production costs a lot more expensive here in the UK If you pass that onto a ticket ticket price, people would know and say it's too expensive. They usually so obviously, card was not around anymore. So what happened with that on DH? Well, Chicago, from my understanding, you have two years. I think left on its lease on DH was starting to stand toe work by robbing and spent 33 years, you know, getting it to where it Wasit was finally started. Tow turnover these 11 years and get some decent crowds in there. Yeah, they got kicked out. The the power that is Finger Volkova. That part of town apartments, shopping malls, that kind of stuff on. And that was it, I think. What? Trying to fight it. But it is you like a flea dip in an hour. Did you have any thought to open up on you then? You somewhere? I think, for a while. Rob this And then I think you just got this hard because the price of land now with real estate in Saigon is insane. You know, I like to have a venue in Saigon that was kind of central inaccessible. Just just no way. If you think you need to have something on every night and there isn't the audience that wasn't at that time to get to make that work, and I know a couple of other people I have looked at trying to get another cargo, but finding the space at the right price really difficult. And then even from a business point of view, you think if I had this face no much about things you know more worthwhile financially, been trying to make a business to try and make a business out of you. So does that mean that that's kind of the end of the life? You think? I mean, that's a lot of small things like Yoko and so maybe live music. Layla Way did the wedding present with. There's a lot of smaller things going on, but it's hard to make those work when we get the wedding present. 80 people doesn't work

spk_0:   27:43
didn't seem quite

spk_1:   27:43
in summer. When you put it like that, you wanted to be one before you really know that much speed, so you'd have to man if it's expensive. You talked about the bison, build something, and then when you said we

spk_0:   27:59
need to make

spk_1:   27:59
it in music venues changing most of thinking you again by school. A lot of music venues used to be like Bingle hold. That used to be a little like the building's already. Yeah, just needs to be becoming. We get alive easy. Anything, too. Yeah, it's the only way I could see it happening is if someone did something out of town. You know, like go back or whatever. Then it's a trek together way. Have difficulty getting people from weave and

spk_0:   28:31
yeah, you know, no one's gonna

spk_1:   28:33
go. Tio. What? I've not been to the Caravel. I don't know. I went to see Kobe with last year. I don't know that there are things that looked at our kind of a library so potentially, you know, the potential of this fair again. That's probably 200 people. Maksim himself. If you want, say, when we did the show with cribs and rebel and stuff, we need the space. That could be no, there's nothing to make it work. So the only thing that is the only time we can make that work. If if it goes well this year, then I'd like to do something inside on the light particle in the city. That's the idea way that your festival with

spk_0:   29:34
pieces, that's what they've been

spk_1:   29:36
looking at. That would be a cultural. What's this, too after you? That way you

spk_0:   29:46
seek in the big city

spk_1:   29:47
will happen. I got a bit depressed when cargo close because that was the thing that I looked for every day. You know, like checking many mouths in my you've seen what bounds we're playing in ages, Singapore and messed in their agents looking your foot in Vietnam. And then, yeah, it's a really emotional roller coaster. You get shot down sometimes, and it's frustrating. And then other times you get you wake up and you've got a great email. Then you get something else that comes back like that. When we did that, Saigon musically and we had the Lemonheads diagram on the vaccine's all in one week in Chicago. That was great. You know, it was an exciting time, and then once that's taken away, just just lost the love. I don't want to get up in the booth, lost motivation and being well lived. Just finally allow that I stopped drinking. Yeah, state. So I just got out. My girlfriend is coming down to town. And now every week get out that we didn't like them. I didn't like any of the boxes. There's, like, barely Bozz. Oh, the expats, you know. So I missed this craft beer scene that just picked off around that time inside on. So you just decided a kind of bonus for station. Let's open our own bar. You went to him with the intention of No,

spk_0:   31:20
no. I went went to Montana

spk_1:   31:22
with the intention of just taking some time out, living by the sea and then, yeah, just hanging out. It's a shame there's no my sponsor. I used your past history quite long. Multi favourite body in Saigon. You know where I live now? It's a little bit seedy. Thank you. 11 Going about one. I know, but you should know about okay, How many people have had this conversation? You don't. Everyone's being drunk. We

spk_0:   32:01
should

spk_1:   32:01
talk about, you

spk_0:   32:02
know, one of the

spk_1:   32:03
people who did it around the house.

spk_0:   32:08
So it's a lot

spk_1:   32:09
with the ball, and you know cats. It's just down from upstairs. So tell us what it means. Castor. That's it. It's about that we like this enough. So then my before about we're doing this for this or what I was, like, really cross. And then, yeah, the music selection. Good. We don't We don't open on YouTube. So we have a strict music policy. We have Chris Knight that existing from my life. So none of that happened just Bob. And then what's been nice? When we started, it was a lot teachers, a lot of that, because people think of it as the next. But now we're probably about 70% young bin, which is really nice. I used to be really polite Don't glasses. Hey, And then how did Corrigan come over voting last year? But you took a good year focusing on the bar. And then after a while, I again I just start get your feet. You know, we should do something. We should be music and again talking Misha some of Ryan and stuff Whenever I see these guys in Saigon and that gave me that, we should do something in Saigon not really possible. And we'd always talked about, professor. We didn't unite festival in 2015. And then we couldn't do the second year for a number of reasons. And I always felt we missed an opportunity there because you can't be a festival for one year and then leave it like, what's the point? You know, you're not gonna make money on. So first we stand from observatory. Then we talked about setting up a festival in Germany. They're waiting for you. We're gonna give it three years and see how we go on last year, we had some issues and problems longest. We improve every year. I think that she had I'm inspector. I knew better. We went to lessons from Russia. Nothing production wise. We had a terrible company. They sometimes what happens here, They they give you a quote for a job, and then a week before they are now, it's gonna cost a lot more. Now, when they got you over a barrel, they know you can't switch that light to someone else. So this year we're going with people that we work before, tried interested, the argument we should have done. Um, yeah. So I think that path man. Yeah, how many people have lost you, but we have hundreds of people on questions, obviously the week after and that shit down. So it was also bad timing for Rose. But because that's a busy time of year where acts in the region, it makes century. It's hard for us. We don't have the budget to fly someone over for one festival from us. It needs to be something that could slip in. So it makes sense was around that time, but Quest was already established. I think that they have 5 6000 people going, so it wasn't the best time to go to go head to head with Quest. But we think wear slightly different anyway on our long term and mrs this kind of festival in question. So how have you solved the bands when this year's touring in the region or, Yeah, I love playing coffee flat in Hong Kong. Use it like when black rebel vaccine campaign that was around that time. So there's a couple of active really reaching at the time, so a few actually offered and then some word. I think that's the difficult thing. Where was cargo before? If you got offered a band in this way can only do the Thursday wait. Did First, where is now? We're saying, Can you do this Saturday? We're only on Friday, Saturday and last year. The vaccine wanted to come back here, but they could only be someday. And now festival was Friday and Saturday, so it's one of those. If it was, you know, just get cargo. We did something. So what people expect from this year's Cortical Festival, I I'm really pleased with the line off, considering that what we have, I think the ticket price. I think the line is really good. It's really diverse. These Lemonheads, which most people know about this girl. No fairy, that South African guy. He's amazing. I'm sorry. To see her willing McAfee was in August means they were my favourite. He's coming out and playing these amazing life. So this really diverse and we've got beach bars and breaks. It operates from Hanoi coming down. Liv Moore's going back with Danish electro pop kind of things, and then it might work. No,

spk_0:   37:58
I was gonna ask you about that because I was looking at

spk_1:   38:00
the line up. That was weird. Fleetwood Mac, please

spk_0:   38:05
on. Why? Widely. So low down. And it was so low. Dude, I like two or three times. I'm like, then what, Zeke

spk_1:   38:12
open way with? Yeah, that's very They come with a seal of approval. Now

spk_0:   38:21
they're gonna

spk_1:   38:22
remix project so they play house with you. So they're on the stage. But all they're that set is remixes. Reality.

spk_0:   38:32
Yeah. So, like,

spk_1:   38:33
they plan again talking flower for me on light festival there in the region. I was looking at something like 60 years in Class B, and they played one fruit last year. One of our investors here said you were the best thing for a week if I was going for So they play at midnight on Saturday. So Saturday, Lemon had opposed the main safe after that. Then I would bye after that day. So the last night's gonna do. Yeah, I think I just told you,

spk_0:   39:08
Mrs my waist today anything. Wait, let it leads at this point,

spk_1:   39:13
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to do if you haven't already like Facebook beach. Seven million bait and then share the link of this episode be a book. And then if I see it like that Andi, you shared the episode Where the pig gonna draw? We're gonna prove named random people. Same passport, 1.5 million for it. But thank you very much for that. No problem to quickly tell us. Is that how you get what people need to know if we want people? So it's two nights, three days in, champ from phone result. Their boss is leaving from a district from Saigon outcast on Friday, returning on some think they leave it. 12 3 and 6 p.m. On the tickets. 1.5 mill. All the lineup is on the website. All the necessary information. All right. Good. So we'll move on to the final question that I asked everybody in each episode combustible. What might drive on holy deal with traffic? I drive 100 vision on Saigon. Actually, I quite like it in only two days a week. So compared to going tower kind of like the bush for a couple of days, and they've been in and out of things, you know, So I don't have a problem. When I lived here, I didn't write it by. I lived. I lived on family Lau and say It was like you. Why did you choose to live there for anyone who doesn't know that backpack area and pretty dodgy.

spk_0:   40:48
Hey, you.

spk_1:   40:53
I lived in a few places. I started off in District five, moves to feel like home and then, for practical reasons, being close Chicago on being in just in District one. I lived on family loud, and it was only supposed to be short, and then it ended up enough. And what's the oddest thing you've seen on a man? Yeah, it's where there's a lot I really like

spk_0:   41:24
is that everybody's gotta do it this way. You have seen

spk_1:   41:27
a pig obscene, A fridge freezer. I've seen another motorbike, that one in the back of a bar over by. But

spk_0:   41:34
I think when you when you're here

spk_1:   41:35
for that long, it doesn't. It doesn't surprise me anymore. You know, it's not something I think there's just know that

spk_0:   41:45
I know is just last week and this is

spk_1:   41:50
family. Still be hell for a few years now. So many things to be just like any attention, we kind of met talking. L ever carry machine on street with people on the street. Like feel like you don't even know about Satan Alliance of some of the old street with a massively loves people singing into the microphone.

spk_0:   42:09
But then you take us that actually think there's no other country in the world that would be happy, right? And what when I want to think

spk_1:   42:15
about it And I think it is a weird place when you first come in like like, this is bizarre. And I had that experience when I see bands, when I pick him up at the airport and driving through this chaos this sea of bikes and they've all got their phones out video on it.

spk_0:   42:31
This is not that was looking at the six people on them out like And you think yeah, is is a bit when you first after, like, two years. You just because it is just the way life every country different, right? This is something for you. That whole a little bit different. Have you got one thing I can think of? The weirdest thing you've seen on a date. I see when I did for H two h, right? Two years ago. And then we've gone through. I blow my top area. Yeah, it was a big, big pig strapped onto the back of her alive of their death because I think that are you going? I was gonna test for your death. Right? So you've got 24 hours off, right? And come up this haggling for 24 hours. What do you do? Um, I usually wear used to live on family. Lau. I use like the Bakar for breakfast. Why does it always come up? Bar call seems to come up because it's 3% of the tape I'm probably not good with from favour cars, like, based on the Irish? No, no, you This has come up so many times that I know you've listened to a couple of episodes, but it's come up before because I think that hilarious. I love cards. Well, you just said it beef stew that you have for breakfast. So that and then she started the beef. Then that's the thing about Saigon. It's really good for food and drink, but not there's not a lot to do. If I had a day off would be Probably get out to District two to the boathouse, sit by the river there because even though it's only 20 minutes away, But it's like an escape from the sense of fever. Yeah, I love sit back. I remember saying to mission one times I think about the boathouses. Never feel in a rush to leave. I could say it all day you have. And yeah, we got Birkoff breakfast. Then you'd have to pull his whole house for lunch alone and then probably into the some Some downers. Yeah, it's a good place to go full, Cindy. And and then, you know, back in District one, I think, like some of the craft beer places across the street. But there have been no new tack room, which is not Union Jacks. My best really expert. Union Jacks Day all you can. Everyone. I mean, that's a pretty good day for me. What? This one. Then we're gonna go outside in Saigon to you get a whole week to explore Vietnam. Where would you go? And there's a few places. When I first came out, I did all the tourist places queen on. I never made it to and from your cave. Is it the big cave? There are a couple things like today. You have done their hates to wait cycle ride a couple of times, which is a charity ride from

spk_1:   45:29
Hanoi to document they do every year around April. So that was kind of cool. Intends to see and Van Damme off the beaten track. That's incredibly cycle. The link with the second time that isn 69 years old.

spk_0:   45:45
That's crazy. That's awesome. What was that? Like? I see thee each to each is an

spk_1:   45:50
unbelievable then, Like what? People ask me what I'm gonna do it. I would like to be good, but, like, what's that like? Yeah, great. Was hard work, expressive for May. I don't do that on the first year. So she I think I got loads of sponsorship the first year. I think most of my friends that you're not gonna do that. And then after the when I start doing the second year, people come. But the second I did it with my dad, that was pretty special. You know, like I've lived in my mouth for 10 years. I don't get to see my parents for family. So nice from that to come out and spend a month together. And that was pretty cool. Just father son bonding time, perhaps. About what months of united getting them. You're Manchester United. That must mean you seen another side like you mentioned. The

spk_0:   46:55
perception

spk_1:   46:55
that people have with them is probably what your experience on that bank raid. But we live in Saigon, and it's only there at all. But I think sometimes Saigon gets a bit of a bad rap. But because, like any big city got a problem, you know, like people getting moved to Pakistan, targeted taxis, scams and things like that. But then when you get out into the countryside and people are so nice, you know, way use have the Vietnamese that slogan on the battle of the information that tells people, What do People were so grateful? Come out your Bears. Okay?

spk_0:   47:33
Yeah. I mean, you're being

spk_1:   47:33
mean people. Yeah. This family. You all

spk_0:   47:39
right? So we talked about a few places drinking anything, Jim, there's a

spk_1:   47:47
place we used to go to. I have to cheque early with. Brought the address. It's on renting one panics about 1 90 is a dark noodle place that usually open it for five in the morning. So after we finished it cargo

spk_0:   48:01
on, you know, we have a few drinks inside us is this place and they called it medicinal. NATO's 100. Maybe you think it's around that what we'll find if you go there for I am a place that's open. We'll put it in this your notes If people wanna go awesome. Thank you so much. Great to hear about cargo in the music scene. Safety for cortical It's good to know that there is some live music I'm gonna see. She might go and see some live music. Thank you very much for the ticket. So again remained you If you want. I want to win one of three tickets for the Cortical festival like Facebook feed. Share the link for this post you call into the draw. So thank you very much. Good luck, cortical. Thanks for listening to another episode of seven million bakes a Saigon podcast. Apologies of the sone quality of wasn't the best on that episode of been having massive troubles whether my microphone and then getting a replacement microphone and get in the original one fixed. And I actually had to recall the episode on the computer microphone, which is no ideal on a massive thank you to lose. Right? Who tried his very best to make that sound quality is good as it possibly could be, and that was the best that we could get it. So thank you. To Lewis on Thank you. To lose is always for composing the theme music for seven million Bates. Thank you. Delay and win from helping me design the cover up for seven million bikes. If you want to get in touch, you want to send me an email. You can get me at seven million bakes at gmail dot com. Or you can get us on Facebook. Go leave a review on apple podcast. Remember, you can get the podcast anywhere that you listen to a Google podcast Spotify stitcher apple podcast and on the website seven million bakes dot com. Thanks for listening. Hope you're enjoying the shul on. Have a go, you know