The Live Show - What can you joke about in comedy today? With Uy Nguyen, Jesús López and Angee the Diva

The first ever live show of Seven Million Bikes; A Saigon Podcast, recorded live at Soma Art Lounge in D2, HCMC.

I am so sorry, the recording cut out with about 10-15 mins left of the show! I have no idea why. If you are in HCMC look out for the next live show to avoid disappointment.

The panel discussed comedy in the current PC era and post #metoo era. Is comedy being stifled or do comedians need to adapt to stay funny without offending? Or are audiences too sensitive?

The panel consisted of Angee the Diva, Uy Nguyễn and Jesús López II.

Panel Profile

Angee the Diva
Angee is an American comedian based in Saigon, Vietnam. She was a 2019 finalist in the Vietnam Comedy Competition and has been headlining gigs around Vietnam and South East Asia since 2017, as a solo comedian and as half of the comedy duo, “Stand Up for the Queens”. She has headlined solo in Canada and USA, as well. She is a mother of two, writer, event planner, and has a Degree in Education, previously teaching kids in her home of Hawaii.

Uy Nguyễn
A Vietnamese comedian who gives a fresh perspective on dating, dealing with tourists, and other thoughts that will have you splitting a side.
He has performed in Saigon for 3 years and opened for Gina Yashere, Grem Wooding and Ro Campbell since 2017.
Uy represents the new generation of young English-speaking Vietnamese comics coming into the scene with hilarious success.

Jesús López II
Jesús is a journalist regularly featured in Saigon’s Oi magazine and works a professional copywriter. As a general assignment reporter, Jesús has covered a wide spectrum of topics, including Ho Chi Minh City’s comedians and (just a bit of) political coverage.

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Transcript

spk_0:   0:29
Hello. How's it going? I'm good. You guys just got here yesterday. What? From when? Holy shit A J. We have someone from Austin, Texas. Him? My wife is up the back from Dallas, Dallas slash El Paso. We've been to Austin. We love. That was awesome. Thank you very much for coming. Thank you, everyone for coming out. We've got a bit less people than we expected, but we're gonna make an amazing night anyway, so that's all right. My name is in the sky for those of you who don't know me, which is 90% of the people here know who I am. So I host a podcast called Seven Million Bakes. And today is the first ever live version ofthe seven million bytes on the topic for today is what can you joke about in comedy? Because we live in a very different era. A lot of discussion these days, online and offline about what you can and can't talk about in comedy. So thank you for coming out. When I was researching this topic, I was thinking part of the appeal of comedy is the perception that you can say whatever you want about anyone or anything when you come on stage and there's also the comedians are there to challenge the power structures around us, and to do that, you need to be able to see whatever you want. So comedy's always pushed boundaries. I think this discussion that's happening now is no anything new. It goes all the way back to Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Bill Hicks and end in the Modern Times like Jimmy Carr. What's his name? Thank you Boil. This discussion has always happened, and but our society has become more liberal. Liberalised comedians have been able to push the boundaries of what they can see. So what was funny 50 years ago is not funny now. An example of this is in 1969. It was spake Milligan, who's a very famous British comedian, came up with a new comedy show called Curry and Chips. He was a Pakistani immigrant who moved to the UK. His name is Kevin O'Grady adopted a white name. Now I'm gonna tell you this is one of the lines in the first episode of Curry and Chips. Now you can imagine the accent that he did. I'm not going to do it But he said, I leave Pakistan because there are far too many wogs there. So I come to England and there are still too many walks. And that was followed by massive canned laughter that was on the BBC. That was mainstream comedy, and he was in full black faith. There are far too many walk in this country. I leave Pakistan because part of anyone there, so I can't go England. And then I stood the Moneyball, so we can all probably agree that that would never make it to television today in 1969 that was considered comedy. But even if you move forward in 1987 there was a movie Raw by Eddie Murphy. If anyone seen that, which is one of the highest grossing comedy contact movies of all time, the one of his opening lanes in Raw was a couple of years ago. I made a joke about homosexuals. Faggots got mad and then went on to talk about homosexuals in a very derogatory town. See jokes about you cannot die, jokes about homosexuals. A couple years ago and faggots were mad. They will, and there is nothing like having a nation of fags looking for you. I would be a party. There's always two or three homosexuals at a party, maybe standing looking at you. So I was only 1987. Family friendly Eddie Murphy. You could never imagine that he would start. Anyone would start a sure with that laying these days, I don't think they would get to the end of the set. So even though Eddie Murphy has admitted that that was a bit much if you fast ball. But to The Nutty Professor family friendly comedy, basically, the whole movie is him making fun of fat people. He's in a fat suit. The entire movie, Um, should wearing a fat suit be seen? The seam is someone wearing blackface. Is that the same kind of offence is a lucky to do that to make a joke about it, and then we move forward. We have the forced me to movement, which obviously, really two called in 2017. We've seen Louie, C. K. And Aziz Ansari. Louis C. K. Was exposed to be pretty disgusting person. Louise on DH Seasons area was kind of shamed a bit for maybe some questionable behaviour, but they faced a hole a massive backlash, and we've seen the whole comedy. Careers can be destroyed because of this. Recently, Luisi key made a comeback on. He was criticised in some parts because his comeback was making fun of trans people on survivors of the Parkland shooting. Now that sounds terrible. I've held the recording off his set, and if you listen, the audience are in stitches. Audience find a whole serious. You should address me their royalty. They tell you what's called. Um, you should entrance me as they them because I identify gender neutral. OK, you should address me as their I identify as a location. Interesting, because you went to high school where kids got shot. What does that mean? I have a listen to you, Christy. Push them back way. Who's somebody to then write an article or to see that it's no okay for him to joke about this when he is performing his R, and he's making an audience of people laugh. These are the questions that we're going to talk about today. Part of the problem on that's what we're going to discuss today is because of this era, post me to this politically correct era that we live in. Is it stifling comedians? Are they having to change what they talk about? So those two examples Louis CK and Azizan Zari, there will. No one has thought provoking comedians that challenged the power structures around them using comedy. And now, if you read about them, they've become what I what was described in one reviewers by now, boring. They don't want to challenge those kind of power structures anymore. They don't want to push the boundaries on the self censoring themselves because they're scared of the backlash. So comedy has always been controversial. As I mentioned, if you go all the way back to Lenny Bruce, his whole life was was ruined. He was dragged off stage by the FBI. If he ever look into Lenny Bruce, we back. And I think the fifties it was s O. This argument is nothing new about what can you see in comedy. But now comedians have to be much more careful not to, and I'm gonna I'm gonna see a long list of long, long list. They have to be careful not to body shame, be racist, sexist, misogynistic, xenophobic, homophobic, or take in any other minority who may be offended by the jokes. So does that mean that this list I've just read out? Does that mean that we can't talk about these topics anymore? Can comedians still meet jokes about these topics? Do comedians in comedy raters do they need to evolve their art form? The last question we need to discuss the ways audiences just too sensitive these days are people too easily offended by what a comedian says. So today we're gonna discuss this. We have a panel. When introduce my panel. We have festival up to the stage. He is a young Vietnamese comedian. He's just been featured in The New York Times, one of the biggest news peoples in the world. He's a kind of a fresh face of new Vietnamese comedians are absolutely hilarious. We're gonna welcome up to the stage we know and give a big, round Teo next to the stage. Eso is no comedian. He's a writer. He's a journalist. He writes for Vietnam. Boy, we're gonna wait. Welcome up to the stage. Hey, Soos Low. Best Thank you, Thank you. And last of all, she's well known scene on the Vietnam comedy scene. She's performed in Canada, America. She's performed in Bank cop. She's, I think, a self admitted controversial comedian. At times, we're gonna welcome up to the stage. Angie, the divan. Thank you. All right, so thank you very much. House. Where has that gone? Going to move this out of the way? Now, we're also recording this tonight. So this is actually going to be an episode off. Seven million at the end ofthe discussion is gonna be an opportunity to ask questions. Please ask otherwise. And the show's over, and we're all just gonna go. All right, So there's a journalist in the Guardian called still Jeffries. And this year, he asked in an article, whether it's censorship, problematic tweets or hashtag me, too. Comics are being scrutinised like never before. Is there a new sense of panic in the industry? So we're gonna ask Angie, do you think there is a new sense of panic in the comedy industry these days? Um, I think it depends on where you're from. I think we're getting some feedback here. I think it depends on where you're from. Where, where, where, where you're performing. Whether you feel that, like self censorship, that you If you feel like you need to, you can't say certain things or you can't joke about certain topics. I think it really depends on where you are and the societal climate of where you are at the time. Um, and like, for example, as I travel around and do comedy in different countries, you obviously can't joke about the same things that you would hear in Vietnam on. Do you have to be careful about not offending the crowd just right off the bat? So it does depend on where you are, But I think performing in the U. S. Or Canada, even in some places, I'd imagine it's the same in the UK, where society is kind of hypersensitive right now about the long list of things that you do have to be more careful, especially as a newbie going into that situation, and you're not really knowing what you can and cannot say.

spk_1:   11:30
Yeah, I know this is more your role than it is mine deal, but I'm curious from Wei's perspective. If that's a sure thing for Vietnamese audiences that Vietnamese of any age or gender, male or female, do they ask that comics performed like woke nus for them or that they be, like, socially conscious.

spk_0:   11:55
Well, uh, so you know, I'm

spk_1:   11:58
a Vietnamese comedian, Right? But most of the time is spent 10 to do. Stand up English. But you know why I do that? Because I think that doing in English is much easier and doing in Vietnamese first reason. I'm the foreign to you guys. Is that right? And you may have empathy with what I say with my ignorance or something. And a second born when he is English cry can joke about a thing that I can know in Vietnamese and the Vietnamese before. There's a Vietnamese comedian that's called you Allow. You may know him is English is mean cucumber. So you know what problem he's dealing with. Okay, so this comedian is a fuss. Stand up comedian Vietnam. He liked He's very good, but he liked to talk about politic in Vietnam. Okay, After ages doing comedy, what he has is a Facebook. One million people following what you to find with thousands. But now stop right there because Paulist not allow him to continue the show at one time. I remember I was on that show and watching him. So the police come over

spk_0:   13:10
come inside, even though he don't talk about anything

spk_1:   13:13
of a politic. But before on YouTube clip that he posed on YouTube that mentioned about politics. And so they come over and cheque it out. Nothing wrong. But it said, Now that's it for today, Okay? And everybody go. And that's the last time I saw him performing. So I think in Vietnam you will be judged more often, then our country. And there's certain thing that Vietnamese were really, really afraid to hear and to talk about.

spk_0:   13:44
And so we definitely know there's definitely things that we can and can't talk about in this country, and I think that definitely affect comedians in this country. So I think some of these challenges that we're talking about that we're going to talk about way are talking about it from almost Western standpoint. So how do you and JIA just to perform in comedy and Vietnam compared to performing overseas? To be honest, I really don't adjust my comedy. Uh, I don't know. I don't know where we on language today. I have zero fucks to give, like I don't care. When I was in Canada. One of my shows, it was for a queer community was a panel very much like this. And then there was the show afterwards. So a friend of mine, J. K. He had recently told me just before I went, he was like, Why don't you have any queer jokes? You're like the only one in the community who could joke about that. And it kind of struck me as odd because I think what what I interpreted it to mean was like, You're queer so you could make fun of queers. And I didn't feel comfortable with that because I wouldn't do that anyway, period. So it's not. I think comedy is very much about your own experiences on what you're comfortable with. Andi. I just wouldn't make jokes about things that I would find offensive, period. But that's my own, You know, my personal feelings about it, and that's what My comedy reflex. Now I might not make quote unquote homophobic jokes, but I do say things about my kids that some people might find offensive, so I don't really censor myself. I don't feel like I do. It may be perceived a censorship from people who don't know about my comedy, but I don't I don't feel that I do kind of. Well, I think one thing you mentioned there was brutal because you're queer. Then J casing. You should make jokes about squeals. And I think that's a common thing. But someone who's like myself a white male, we have white male privilege. I think they don't want to say they have at the toughest. But they maybe get judged the harshest because of anything that they say about anyone or anything, any minority or any group who's not a white male. Then you automatically. Then you're one of these ISMs. Um, Vienna. Just school. Teo. I completely lost my train of thought out there, but I think that is a challenge in comedy. And hey, Soos. I wanted to ask you this. What do you think can ah, wait, man, make ajoke abo black people. Can a street person make a joke about queer people and so on and so on? Do you think you can only make jokes about a group that you fit into

spk_1:   16:57
your mileage? May vary is what I would say there are. There are no restrictions on what you personally can say, I think that, um I was thinking about the trouble Trevor Noah fiasco earlier this morning in preparation for the show. Trevor Noah before he became the Daily Show host wass a stupid guy on Twitter who would make fat people jokes. Who would make, like, racist jokes and things that people we were curious about, what it wanted him to answer for as he attained this, like level of prestige. And I think that, you know, like we has, like, been recently featured in the New York Times, which is so great, but like the number of people who can, like shut him down is still very small compared to, like, the celebrity that he could detain if he were to, you know, get like, a Netflix special or something like that. So, like, yeah, you I'm sure you could as a as a white man make a joke about, um, about some, you know, the minority of your choice get ejected from, you know, the venue that happened. And then, you know, move on to the next one. If it's a small enough crowd and people forget about you, your jokes suck them like the consequences might not be there for you, but like, I don't know, man like, to me, a lot of that stuff is like these air just constraints. So, like if I'm a white man and I can't make a joke about Mike Mexicans that hmm, what else can I think about? You know, if I'm if I am a person of completely able body and can't make jokes about people in a wheelchair, then what else can I? What else can I do? What other kind of material could ideo the's air constraints and constraints? In my opinion, Dr Creativity, you can talk about everything. Do you get the narrow down? What is important, what is critical? What's gonna hit like you guys write jokes and you guys are very aware that, like it's, it's up here like you guys are like having fun. But there's, like structure and process, like I'm introducing the joke here. I'm setting the scene. Here's the buildup, and here's the punch, like it's very calculated. So, like, it's not like these guys. They're just up here like just rattling shit off, like, you know, whatever comes to mind. So I think if we're willing to be that precise about how we write jokes. Then it's worth being a little bit more precise about the content of them, too. We

spk_0:   19:29
would like to hear your opinion, my

spk_1:   19:33
opinion on this. Can we make a joke about? I think that we need you now because every comedian we have one specific voice. We caught a fighting voice. I'm trying. I'm trying to finding my voice. I tried to do clean comedy family because I think that is not only useful for my formula crowded for Vietnamese because I have a long way to go in the Vietnamese community. Now they do doing open mic with Angie in Saigon. Funny people word for it because I believe that they have a community that they can help me in Vietnam. We don't have, so I have to stick to them. But my way is when we go with Vietnamese people, So I have to go with a joke that not any work for Vietnamese button sort of foreigner, and that is often the joke about a topic that everybody are set. I'm

spk_0:   20:27
gonna move on to another question. So on recently, one comedian in the UK wanted to perform a university as part of a university too. And they were asked to saying a contract that said, By signing this contract, you're agreeing to a no tolerance policy with regards to racism, sexism, classism, ageism, able ism, homophobia, bi phobia, transphobia, xenophobia, Islamophobia or anti religion or anti theism. Okay, so I'm Is there any room left for comedy there? Genuinely. Can you Can you still be funny? Like you're a clean comedian? Then can you make fun? Can you still be funny without Okay, just you want to add to this?

spk_1:   21:22
I was just making sure that was I think this would This guy was like Russian or something. Former USSR. Yeah, well, I remember reading something about this in the USSR, and this is what the government made us too. Were like, This is

spk_0:   21:35
the context. Was the comedian was Russian? He was performing in the UK, and when he read this, he remained id him off. Like Russian government interference of basically like this is what you can and can't say and couldn't believe that in the United Kingdom he was being asked to sign this contract.

spk_1:   21:51
Yeah, this installation make me remember once I joined in a show and venom television is called Cracked him up. It is a huge right. And it there's a lot of you. And what, Before the show, they asked strictly route. That was to sign a contract before it said that you you're responsible for what you say. And there's something that you cannot say about example Country, China, us? No, Doc. Using the word like dog to talk about people. No

spk_0:   22:28
fart, no kids. No. Okay.

spk_1:   22:34
What else? What else was I like? Like

spk_0:   22:37
Fuck, of course. No, none of that. Even when you say mom is mean man.

spk_1:   22:42
Mom, just say just way. I've been like my mommy. My

spk_0:   22:45
fuck. Something like that, you know, as on. So you know, we have to you very, very nice

spk_1:   22:53
work to talk to the people and to make fun of them. And finally, I come with, you know, a family joke that really works

spk_0:   23:03
for me. Nor 40. And from the reaction from

spk_1:   23:07
the audience from reaction former Korean, they don't laugh that just sitting right there, they don't laugh too. I think is not on ly I think that as a comedian,

spk_0:   23:19
I even though it's not funny, but I have to

spk_1:   23:21
follow that because it's stand up. Comedy is not a mainstream comedy in Vietnam. We easy to be judged by the people when

spk_0:   23:29
saying These were for the Jodi sent a comedy When you say the only time but nobody cares but stand up comedy, they often think, but stand up comedy, Vietnamese like trash talking Is that poorly take right. So what I think

spk_1:   23:42
that, you know, as a comedian we have to fix were to change your death situation, especially for this

spk_0:   23:48
culture. And so I would say the difference between this contract on DH what you're talking about. That contract was to be on television, which is obviously more mainstream, and you're you're being beamed into homes. So did you sign that contract? You were on the shore. Ay, ay dio join a show I But luckily, luckily I failed because I mentioned I mentioned I mentioned I mentioned a work Doc. That's why they don't put me on a television. And that's lucky. That's looking. If they put me on a teller, that's gonna be trouble for me to work. Yeah, um So when I read that part in the in the article. I just thought all of these ISMs are so subjective and what one person things is, say Transphobic. For example, you have guys who dress up like women sloppily, not like drag queens like they're doing it in a comedic way. And in this day and age, some people might view that as Transphobic. But everybody might not see it as transphobic and you yourself is the comedian or as the performer may not see it as transphobic. And then somebody after the show says, Oh, that's Transphobic and you shouldn't have done that. So these things were so subjective. It's hard to know how you are potentially offending one particular audience better. And though I agree that you shouldn't say you know things that are blatantly racist or blatantly transphobic or blatantly homophobic that you know pretty much society as a whole has a green, this is not okay. I agree that you shouldn't do that, but there is always in in the arts. There's always this grey area where you are pushing the boundaries, especially with comedy, and I think telling a comedian that you can't say a through Z really. Sensors there are in such a way that, like we says, it's not funny, like now what do I say? Do I can I can I can talk about my dog? But not if I call him a dog as long as he doesn't far, what can you say?

spk_1:   26:24
But like, I don't think we've lost any valuable comics by telling men not to make fun of fat women like I don't know. I don't think that we've lost any valuable comedic talent by telling white men not to use the n word on stage or anything like that. And I mean, like, you're right, like a lot of this is subjective. But like once upon a time, like I did stand up comedy. And if I were to tell a joke and a woman were to approach me afterward and say like, Hey, man, what you said was quite sexist and vile like, I would just have to take that as a true judgement. It is very subjective, but it the beauty of a system like that is that like you're being raided right there automatically. So like, I think what people maybe, uh, need to be less afraid of. It's just like being checked, you know? Okay, that concludes my

spk_0:   27:25
marks. So to follow that on and you you're presented with this contract. I'm not gonna read it again. Would you say that contract for a performer pay performing gig? Would you say that contract? I mean, to be honest, it depends on how much money this's my job. This is my job. It depends. It does depend on how much it wass how you know what what it's for. But I definitely wouldn't sign something like that for open mic like absolutely not. But if we're talking about actually, I wouldn't sign something like that from my Netflix special either. Like if I was, you know, asked to do a Netflix special. I wouldn't sign something like that because this is being beam to the world as a representation of me and my comedy, and I wouldn't want to be a part of something that is gonna send to me so much. Now, if this is for a cruise ship and you know, let's get them coins until we gotta D'oh. So it depends on the context of the situation. I don't think that you can say, like I'm not goingto quote unquote sell out like I think everybody has their boundaries in their lines. And what, like tio? No comment on what Jesus was saying. There's nothing inherently wrong with not saying these things. And even if you're saying something, that could be somewhat controversial, it's definitely depends on how you deliver that joke and how your meaning comes across. So you have to be smart and you I mean, it's like with any job you got to follow the rules. So let's just mean that clear So you would sail out way praise? Um, no. But then are you saying and I'm not disagreeing with you? That as comedians, we sometimes have to censor ourselves? Yeah, we d'oh! I mean, I 90% of my comedy I could not do for a family friendly audience. It's just It's not a thing I've done shows at Sai got outcast for one of their festival things once, and it was it was late night. It was probably 10 p.m. Or so. They told everybody that this was gonna happen, that it was an adult comedy show. And then you have little kids running around and so I stopped, you know, the show before, So I stopped before it started and I spoke to the crowd was like, Look, this is an adult comedy show. There are gonna be adult themes going on here if you don't want your Children to listen to this and get them out of here now and a few of them decided to stay. So now that's on you. That's not my bad parenting. That's yours, Gibbs. Um, okay, so let's say so. Weaken, weaken, talk. And we can joke about all these ISMs. Jesus, what's the difference? In your opinion, between a racist joke and a joke about racism,

spk_1:   31:02
you send me these questions in advance. I still have to think about this. We can't Yeah, um, I'm gonna buy some by sometime and passes to we for a second. I'm gonna fast You're angy. Yes,

spk_0:   31:23
I think the difference between a racist joke and a joke about racism is the intent and the punch line. How does the joke land? I wish I could think of some famous comedian's joke. Chris Rock, for example. He often jokes about racism. They're not racist jokes. It's about racism. He's making a social commentary on the state of racism in the United States, and he's making light of the situation. Or or he's shedding light on the problems in a comedic way. But it's definitely not like calling this group of people racist names. Um, or does that make sense? Versace. I wouldn't follow any comedians who make racist jokes, so I don't know. I don't have an example, but versus someone who gets up on the stage and they're they're dropping all of these racial slurs or they're saying things in a way that is just to have shock value. And there's really no point to what you're saying. I think comedy is very special in that we do have the opportunity to make social commentary in a funny way, and so that people, when they're laughing and they're really engaged in the show, they have a moment to really take that material in and think about it more deeply. Um, so I think that is an important aspect of it. But if you're just getting up on stage and you're saying these inflammatory things, what is the point?

spk_1:   33:18
Um so I don't have an answer to your question, you, but what I'm thinking of right now is just the very first, um, days that I spent in a comedy workshop and with predominantly like a lot of white men. And there is This was the first time I'd seen what I now know is just kind of a common process for, like, white comics in Saigon is that they want to make a joke about Vietnam in Vietnamese, but they're struggling with, like, how to not make a racist. And, um, it's just an interesting thing, Teo, because I feel like everyone spends some amount of time on it. Some a lot of people, a lot of time, and then some, like just a little bit. And they end up like walking out on stage, like making a joke that involves, like imitating a Vietnamese accent. Um, yeah, I don't know. I think that, like That's again like, I don't have an answer to that question specifically, but that's that's something that I wish that more local comics were sensitive to that they, in their jokes about Vietnam and Vietnamese, they have a perspective that is informed by their Western society that they come from, and so like whenever they make ah, harmless sounding joke about traffic when they make a less harmless sounding joke about like women can't drive and they're covered head to toe when they make a joke about sex work like there. There is probably not a single fucking white man on stage this, you know, this year that has not made a sex work joke, and that's something that you know. It's like it's not racist, but it's problematic in its own way because of race. So, yeah, I think that's just something that in the most general terms, is worth being more conscious of. So I think that in comedy, funny or dying, you make a racist. Sure, you make the people in the audience laugh. Even their sepulchre. I that is a common on a race issue. But if they get booed by the people on, people think that you mean I think that is a racist you, and for me, as a Vietnamese, I don't follow any comedian or hear that raises you because that is not a typical thing happening in my country. But I can relate to my day job that my day job is as a tour guide. I go with a lot. You're especially from America. Sometime we take them to Cody. They're Turner, and we talk about Vietnam. War. So when you talk about this about his four people, especially American, they sensitive they might think that you were hit them because a lot of American mandate actually asked me, Do Vietnamese do you hate American? Right? So when I say about example when I say about this war, I often say that instead of saying American, I say the enemy, You know what I mean, User? Not a word for that. The way I conveyed the message is very different. But before that, I give them a warning. Everything I'm about to say is what I learned. And I say in the Vietnamese what I was OK, right? So if you have any argument or something, let's say 40. And I think we need to give them a warning before we say the respect that would be better. What remember one thing is not in every sense, even if you give them a warning. Those in me that they completed a separate you so as a comedian, I think we have to step one thing. That is the acumen.

spk_0:   37:15
No, Um That's Dad. What? Why was gonna add that? There's many comedians know in the United Kingdom and in the US who actually give trigger warnings before a sure and I've done now on the podcast we had a new interview with San Win who's a journalist to report on sexual abuse in Vietnam. I put a trigger warning at the beginning of the episode and in the notes. If you're gonna listen to this, just be aware this is the topic that we're gonna talk about. And so, as we're discussing, comedy is something that pushes the boundaries that talks about all of these ISMs that once they can be offensive as part of the job. Do you think that his was the comedian should give trigger warnings before the shore to let people know that this is what we're going to talk about?

spk_1:   38:09
Yeah. I mean, I don't think that takes anything away from their their work. But I mean, I also know that I wasn't no other comics who, um, he's not in the room with us right now, but she performed on this very stage human to come on here and say some really racy shit. You've seen her stuff as well as I have, and a lot of it. Um, could I don't I don't know. Could fall under some sort of trigger warning and some sort of, um, some sort of precautionary note beforehand, But, um, I don't know. I defence, I guess would be that people know him into people have seen a woman to show and they know what to expect whenever she gets on the stage. But, um, yeah, I thought that was responsible. Whenever you put that on your podcast with Sen, I don't think room into would either object to or take issue with doing something like that. I can't speak on her behalf, but yeah, this is a completely separate point, but also it it's worth mentioning, at least for me. That, like, um, you sent us a material beforehand about comics on the idea of being censored in comic censorship. Um, who is it that the guy that the patriot Act the Indian guy I'm blanking? Yeah. Hasan Minhaj. OK, so he was he got in trouble for, um, saying something about the Jamal Cochi killing of Saudi Arabia organised the killing of their other journalists. One of their most prominent critics, and he got a slap on the wrist by Netflix or something. But I just I I always want us to be careful that were not conflating like his right to criticise the Saudi government with, like, the right to say the n word or something, you know, like it's those are two very different creative freedoms. One is, I think it's far more important than the other

spk_0:   40:16
or to continue to go back and continue about trigger warnings. And I think that's a good example about women to one of my questions was going to be one of my comments was going to be. Do you think that when somebody enters into accommodation there entering into a space that they know by the history of stand up comedy that there could be something offensive said that, do they need a trigger walling or is a trigger walling inherent in the fact that you're going into a comedy show like instead of a being spelled out like, Hey, that might be something you're offended by? You should just walk in thinking I might be offended by something, and she looks like she has something to say on this. So I run, um, a comedy show once a month that we first build. It has a name, and then we build it like the subheading was offensive comedy night. And the idea behind it was that you could say things on this stage that you might not think are appropriate for open mic. Or that may be a bit more racy than you would do at a normal show. Not offensive in the way that people are going to get up there and shot the N word or anything like that. But I kept running into audience members or people who were interested in the show outside of it. And they're like, Oh, I didn't come because I thought that I was gonna be offended. I didn't come because I thought they were gonna be standing up there saying the n word. So we had to change the tagline of the show to Raul Comedy Night, which I felt was completely ass tonight because it did not change the format of the show. It didn't change anything that anyone said, but semantics are very important to people. And that one change of word from offensive to Raul somehow has. Assad urged any feelings that people might have about coming to the show. I did Another show in recently in Hoi On on the first show was a regular comedy show. And then the second show was a, um, what did she call it? Adult comedy after dark or something like that? And 90% of the audience members in that second show, we're sitting with their mouths open and looking like What the fuck did I just walk into the whole entire time so we can try to be careful and we can try to give trigger warnings and we can try to say, This is what is going to happen but a people don't read, Uh, B. You still never know which thing is going to be offensive to which person I have done. Most of my jokes, all of the city and, you know, in different countries or whatever and in the same place sometimes were very well received. And then sometimes one joke that killed at the last show there were people there, like Oh my God, I was so offended by what you said about your cats, and it's like it's just a joke, man, calm down. So lake, just to finish your point. Like I think it doesn't take anything away from Kami or anything away from the comedian to say Here's a trigger warning, but that doesn't mean that people are still not going to be offended or that people are are gonna even read that there's a trigger warning. I think

spk_1:   44:05
I think that a trigger warning is a must for me is among the first reason maybe you can give you more confident. Two radius. Take what you want to say, right? But the Comey comedian when you go on the stage, they said to people, Hey, I'm new. It is merely wanted to people hate. It's not going to go well,

spk_0:   44:24
I don't expect Don't expect too much. Okay? They give Naturally, there's a very

spk_1:   44:28
natural things. The second pain you give a trigger wanting to show that you understand the audience. The only thing that you know okay today going with me is not on the foreigner, but also some Vietnamese in the audience as well,

spk_0:   44:45
right? And that is what very common, especially to you see the movie Theatre 18 flirt, 16 flower. They won't give the trigger one in feasting, anything they never complaint, even though even though even though they still get complaint but better than nothing. I like that.

spk_1:   45:03
But I I'm hearing these conversations and, like I think that, like, we always have to keep in mind that, like, I'm just gonna go out on a limb And guess that the broad majority of people who could come to stand up comedy shows in Saigon are novice level comic audiences thes air, not people who are like I've heard the term comedy nerds used before. So these are not people who, like, follow the great tradition of, like, George Carlin our name. You're funny, white guy. Um, these are not people, probably who are super, super well versed in the conversations that comics have about, like trigger warnings and things like that. Um, these were people who probably know that Louis CK eight is hiding underground because he pleasured himself in front of a woman like they definitely know that, but like that, the nuances of stuff like that largely lost on people and so as a it's kind of a newbie audience. I think that people tend to be accommodating because Maybe they don't know the standards and they don't know, like, what exactly is, you know, the gold standard of acceptable conduct. Um, but yeah. I mean, what's at stake here, I guess, is like if you are a Saigon comic with, like, a little bit of heat behind you, what's at stake here is a personal reputation where, like, it's not about like, you know, your contract getting cold. Or like you know, you not being ableto performing a venue like that's that's pretty far out of the range. But like it's about people talking shit about you and repeating something that you said that they deemed they deemed offensive and unacceptable toe like That's, I think something that, like you're right, Angie like that's something you can't you have limited control over. But like that is just a risk that you bear as somebody with a spotlight on you

spk_0:   47:05
just quickly to add to that. So do you think, Angie, that I think that's a very valid point that I hadn't thought about? Do you think in Saigon? So we have about 100,000 expats here, and the majority of people that come to shows are expats maybe 2025% local Vietnamese. So, do you think then, because you inside going, you'll know at risk of being pulled from a shoe. You know, at risk of losing a contractor is a very new up and coming amateur scene. But do you think then you're at risk of being judged by that community, which is quite small. Even though we're in a city of 10 million people, the expat community is only roughly 100,000. Do you think that's more of ah, like self censoring factor on a comedian being worried about what people may see about you? What people might talk about you rather than Oh, I'm gonna lose this contract to an extent you do need to. I mean, as much as we all wantto say, I don't care what other people say you do, you're part of a community you're a part of. You know the scene here. You do care to an extent, Uh, what people might say about you as an artist, though, you have this sort of privilege to guide what people will say about you. Um, all right, I know. And I'm pretty sure most of comedians know that when you get up on stage and you say something, those are your words and you are responsible for those words. So don't get up there and say something that you would be ashamed of hearing later that you said, um so yes and no. Like, yes, you think you need to think about what people might say about you, but no, because it's your art, and that's how you want to be represented. I know what people think about me, but I don't care. And and you know, you're you're life on stage. You're the way that you present your yourself on stage is not necessarily the same person that you are in real life. And if people want to judge you based on 10 or 15 minutes of what you say on the stage, and I really think that speaks more to their intelligence, I want to move the goalpost or move the narrative a little bit. I think we live in a very different world. I feel my age these days. I'm 37 years old and I talked about this on the podcast. Often when I grew up, there was a male and a female bathroom bisexual was just coming into the discussion. Mean, Angie, we've talked about this this weekend. I've just had recall Dublin Castle, who's a drag queen in Saigon. We've got a massive discussion about the queer scene and the LGBTQ. You're the alphabet Sena's decoder, I think. An example of how that affects comedy. If you remember East Ventura, I can't remember if it was one or two. Does anyone know? But at the end of that, that movie they found Number One. Thank you, Ace Ventura. One pet detective. At the end of that movie, one of the female characters turned out to be a man, and when that was revealed, there was a room full of cops and the old threw up because he know hooked up with and the job wass. And that was what the early ninety's the joke was, that it was physically disgusting because they don't meet with a man unwittingly and again. That was funny back, man, I think everybody laughed. I laughed, you know, it was a joke. But now we're in the modern era, and we realise that that's no funny. The people that like to dress up and the women all those people who are transgender. How do you think, then, that comedy and comedians have to evolve, knowing that we're in a different era to what has gone before we

spk_1:   51:00
you mentioned about a female is maybe remember the female some there's in Vietnam comedy scene. There's a lot of male actor they want Teo do Impersonating the female character, right, dressing like girl makeup like this and go on to state and do acting and comedy right at the beginning. So many people get famous for that. So many. I kind of mentioned because you don't know them and they really get big things. But after that, there's so many out of comedian. Also follow them to do. Dressing like and it

spk_0:   51:36
is not Is not, you know, is not

spk_1:   51:38
because the dressing for the comedy set, but trusting because they think it's funny. That's what I mean. They dressing just because I think that is funny and the audience at the beginning, they love to see that. Oh, the thing is funny. Okay, Code girls may interesting a but after that to get tired with this subject because own off the ideas the comedian before we present only that the coming and go after. That's nothing new, right? So I think that when you, you know, played character, we need to change because the time chained by the joke yesterday. Funny but a joke. It's not funny and do in the comedy. Indeed, Icka Open mind. You know that the same crowd, but last week it's funny,

spk_0:   52:28
but this with same people. It's not funny. I can't explain why, but there's a big difference

spk_1:   52:35
here. So as a community think we need to adapt. Just a funny I was just listening to you talk about that Ace Ventura Seemed like that. Just sounds like some shit that a bunch of like white men in a room like you would

spk_0:   52:51
probably we'll weigh exactly

spk_1:   52:53
meal. I'm sorry, but like, that's fine that we can't write that scene anymore. I'm I don't think we've lost anything because we can't have that. I don't think that we are. I don't think they were denied any, like, creative genius, because someone can't write that shit anymore. That just sounds really like, terrible. And I'm glad we're done with it, but yeah, I don't know, like, um in like that. They met a picture off like Louis C. K. S like underground. We may not hear from him like we might be missing out some good humour. Stuff like that. Aziz Ansari, Name your name, Your male comic who's gone into hiding. But like, there are plenty of talented people who have yet to break onto the main stage that maybe there's a space for them now that, um we found out that Louis CK is licentious with his male fans with his female fans. So, like, yeah, I think that to me, like whenever I was reading that material that you that you sent us with, um, on the subject of, like, comics and restraint and stuff like that, I like a lot of that seems written very pro in the in the camp of the establishment and the people who are currently successful. So, like, if these people can't be successful than like, guess what man like that's Darwin like they're gonna die off like dinosaurs. So, like, after we're done fossil ising them. Maybe the new talent could come and bring up the guard,

spk_0:   54:26
and I think and you can we can talk about this. Do you think that's changing because I think that's a great point. Rachel's rooms one notorious for being white me or whether that was Saturday Night Live sitcoms movies. It was a bunch of white guys rating from awake, I explain. I mean, there's so many movies like What is the movie Revenge of the Nails when they all likes Spy on the girls that naked in the American Pie, whether watching the woman on the Webcam naked will know you would watch that you feel like you guys need to be in gaol like you're literally like abusing this poor Bulgarian refugee on the refugee like exchange students. So do. But do they all those movies I know you've mentioned that probably just came from a bunch of white guys in the room, and he probably probably absolutely. And that's changing the right. We have more translators, more minority. Just all minorities are now making into a writers room's right, right? Um, see, the thing is, society has an idea of what is deemed acceptable for a while until somebody says, I don't like that and then they get together with some other people in this Say I don't like that either and then they start speaking out about it and say, You know what? That's really problematic. Like the basement Sure thing is problematic on so many levels. And I do watch movies now, like one of my favourite movies of all Time is coming to America And I watched the other day and I was like, Whoa, this is really problematic like, But I think you have to separate and have a bit of empathy on some levels on some levels as to what was socially acceptable, what was allowed to be on TV, I'm sure. Back then there were people who were saying, I don't want to do this. I don't wantto dress up in women's clothes and make a fool of myself. But you have these executives at an office who say, That's funny to me. That's what I'm gonna put my money behind. This is what you could produce or you can't produce it all. So we have to have, I think, a bit of compassion and empathy for some, some big some things in the past that have happened but also moving forward. We have to be more sensitive and aware of these images that we put out and I guess from the lens of comedy. Like I said earlier, I don't joke about things that I would find offensive myself. And if somebody like Hey, Soos was saying If if somebody comes up to you after the show and they say, Oh, that I found that very offensive then you have an opportunity to judge yourself whether you really think it is offensive and you know you could work shop with your friends or whatever people that you know, or that if it it just is factually offensive and you need to cheque yourself. Hey, Suze, can you be offensive and funny?

spk_1:   57:28
Definitely. Yeah, I think that to further 6 to 7 time reference renamed tonight Boom Into is a perfect example of that, Um, there is a There is, like a style of comedy that she's perfected that is very like in your face and like, does not fucking care about you and is like, very like her and is just a joy to watch. And I think that, um, like it's a it's offensive, and I guess, like, a particular way, it doesn't seem to target anyone, but it seems to you it definitely has like an opinion, and it has strong judgments about just different things happening in the world. But yeah, I think that she is good because she's able to, like tactfully deliver that and so like that, I think, will be part of the challenge of comics. Moving forward is like Well, yes, I can be offensive And yes, I can be funny too. But, like, how precisely do I do this with, like, you know, my particular identity, my particular life experiences in my particular, My particular storey and like that's pretty much like the the challenge of comedy itself of joke writing. That's just another feature of it.

spk_0:   58:53
Same question. So we can you be offensive and funny?

spk_1:   58:56
I think the nature of joke when writing a joke, I think there's only two character. The victim need to have a victim, right? So the victim would be the one who offensive. But for my style, I often he picked myself as a victim, right, So all of my stuff okay, I will play the victim character. So I'm offensive maybe too many, but to the people, I really sometimes I do sometimes because, you know, as a comedian, you know, when you practise, you have to do many, many character and but owner that you know when I do it, whenever I do another character, too offensively audience, I feel and they bomb really, really bad. But when I humiliate myself, I think that's my voice. So I just picked me as

spk_0:   59:43
a victim. Andi, just so if I continue on from that point. So I was talking to a T's who's the manager here when we were setting up this event. I met with him on Saturday and we talked about this exact same thing and he was saying to me, Where is he? He's up the back. He's hiding there. You held these name Annie popped up. They there is charities. Wait. We were talking about how all comedy involves suffering, right? And exactly what you said. Somebody has to suffer, and that's either someone else or yourself, and often for my comedy to seem, I'm the person who suffers that the Scotsman that no one can understand. And so a lot of comedy has to be self deprecating. Now, if you look into a British comedian called Hannah Gadsby and she's a lesbian comedienne on recently, she's come out on tour saying that she's no longer going to be self deprecating. She's like I built a career making fun of myself for being a lesbian. I talk about situations that happened to me, and I make light of the moon. I make joke of them, but I'm not doing that anymore. She talks about being sexually assaulted about being spoken to negatively, and she makes a joke of it because she's a comedian and she's no change. And she said, this year I'm not doing that anymore, and so they're just ties into what we're seeing. But no comedians are starting to see. I'm not even gonna make myself the person who suffers. So if if all comedy like A T says has to involve somebody suffering and you're not going to make it yourself and you don't want to offend someone else, then how does wear this comedy go from here? Angie, I'm just thinking of my own jokes and thinking of like, Who is the victim? Um, baby Jesus. Uh, sweet baby. Jesus. I think I need to think about that. So I'm gonna let somebody else talk. Well, we could We have two options. We can take a break if we want and then continue on all. Do you want to stop hands up to take a break? All right, we'll just take, like, just like three minute break. Have a cigarette, have a pee break, refill your drink. I've got lots more questions to ask, but we will have a few more questions after the break, and then we'll take some questions from the audience. Animal will be finished. That sound good. All right, Thanks for taking a break with Get restarting. Wait, Just continue with that question, I said was, If comedy is suffering, someone has to suffer either yourself or someone else. We're in a new era where we don't want someone to suffer. We had this comedy girl from someone's always suffering, period. There are universal truths. I think comedy is a lot about spending a topic that everybody knows about into a way that is funny. No one wass to listen to anyone talk for five or 30 minutes about how great their life isthe. That's not funny. So I think that the line is drawn between what is a universal truth among most people and what is pointing the finger at somebody, and often I think offensive comedy are Comedians who are effective are pointing the finger at somebody that they don't truly understand. I was just talking to Caleb about this outside and he said, uh, I lost my train of thought Hey, he said. He said, You can't poke fun at somebody that you don't have love for. So if you are coming from a place of hate about a group of people you're gonna find your audience thinks that's funny, especially in a small situation. Uh, but that is still offensive, like it's still problematic. It's still wrong. Like, for example, I'm sure that someone is making jokes at a Trump rally about thes problematic topics. And people are laughing because that is that group of people. But it's still problematic. So you have to you have to have a love for the people that you're making fun off. Um, but it also has to come from a place of understanding of that group and poking fun in a way that is not trying to hurt them, but just shedding light on something that we probably have already noticed. Anyway. I think

spk_1:   1:4:36
the offending people in one situation. Well, guess the popular people is with a heckler with the heckler and I used to do a show and it's truly is in Vietnamese and demands in the back. Well, he's collide, you know, Most hecklers drunk and talking along along and along And he making noise during the time right? The people was, you know, distract by him at the first. You know that the host tell him too, you know, can you quietly the bed But he kept talking. Continue was like you could be talking to me. You get attacked by just beginning right Talking to me He said I can

spk_0:   1:5:16
you make it fun here zone a joke.

spk_1:   1:5:19
It's funny, right? Is he trying is already so very quickly At that time I remember death on the war. There is a warning Is that no animal inside a room, So it is pointless. So how can you get inside here?

spk_0:   1:5:38
And I think I think I really love him because I feel like I'm going to say that. But I think that I get support from the people and the people

spk_1:   1:5:46
just laugh. And I don't feel regret when you do

spk_0:   1:5:49
that. I mean, the change tack a little bit will move the subject on. In this kind of modern age, we live in a post me two. Comedians have always been seen as pushing barriers, pushing boundaries and putting social structures on No, only just for fun. But they can also be leaders in that movement and recently, some comedians. When they tour in the UK, they will only have gender neutral bathrooms. So they will tell the venue You can't have a male and female bathroom. You need to have gender neutral bathrooms on then. But then it takes another tonne because then it becomes you mentioned earlier. Semantics. And some people can be offended when a comedian comes on stage and they say, Ladies and gentlemen, tonight and someone said, Well, I'm not a lady, I'm no gentleman. So some comedians are having to change the way that they introduced to an audience. I don't know all the labels that you could get through if you want to introduce a comedian, and then there's another comedian and she talks about how chested maybe change your jokes, because instead of seeing a meal, what was it you told me. And when we did our podcast, how do you How do you identify yourself as, Ah, street mail these days Assists gender? Uh, I don't know how to identify a straight male. Um um, like for myself, I identify as a biological female who is pan sexual, which means that I am attracted to confidence. And I don't care what you have between your legs. Um, but there are Thanh of labels. I think one of the articles that you sent us it can take away from the joke if you're having to list all of these things or identify a person based on what is socially acceptable at the time. So the article was saying that if if it's part of the setup, that maybe you could do it and it's gonna be okay. But if it's the punch line, you gotta just say that word. It's just man, um, again, I think it's about intent. It's about, you know, if if one person in the audience is gonna be offended by you saying ladies and gentlemen and taking out of context that that's the way that you've addressed people for ever since the dawn of time and not just now. We're using this different language. Not to say that that different languages not important, but show a little grace to the comedian. And you can you can mention that you can tell them that and they can change. You know, the intro is not that that difficult to say Good. Good evening, people or good evening, humans. But I've been in a situation before where I did that and then somebody was like, I'm not human, and I just was like, Well, fuck, I know where to go from here again. I think it depends largely on the society that you're playing too what is socially acceptable And what is socially necessary for you to get your point across If you're If you know that you're going into a community where we're vocabulary like that is very important and you get up on the stage and you say, Ladies and gentlemen, you're gonna close off most of your audience right there, and they're not gonna be able to listen to what the rest of what you're trying to say. So you have to be sensitive to the people that you're playing too, like, on the other hand, I was. We were talking about this outside, in places like Malaysia or Singapore, where most of the comedian's jokes are very racially charged. They're always talking about Chinese. People are like this, and Malaysians air like this and Indians are like this that is socially acceptable in their culture. And when you see them on the street, they talk to each other like that. So even though in that setting I felt a little cringe e, I felt like Do we need to talk about race the whole entire time? I had to be compassionate and empathetic to their situation that this is where they're coming from and this is their culture. And who am I to come in as an outsider and tell them that they shouldn't talk like that? It's about where you're playing.

spk_1:   1:10:28
I think that, like, um, I just feel that within the subject of like, race based commentary in comedy setting, um, that's just something that I wish people would spend more time with before they pen that joke about like, oh, Asian women. They can't drive like that There. There is something happening there that is like, way more dense and like then the writer. Things like you have your exercising and judgement based on, like, the sexism thing that you're really attached to your exercising and judgement based on perhaps like a racist thing that you're attached. Teo, that interaction is very dense. And like, um, you know, you were talking about, like, people being offended, being addresses and audiences like ladies and gentlemen and stuff like that. And I think in most settings, at least in this city, like, no one's really going to, like, curl a drink at you if use a ladies and gentlemen a cz an opening statement. But like, um so, like, there's not like an authority or anything like that, like police coming to cuff you if you don't follow the rules as it were. But like what I guess is, um is that risk? It's just like you. Somebody might talk to you. Somebody might want to say something to you. Somebody might want Teo explore your, um, explore your differing opinion in greater detail. And so, like, that's I feel like what deserves more attention, like just discussion and argumentation like that feels like something that deserves more of our time and focus them like true comedians be able to say the word dick on stage. That's not as interesting as like. Can we talk about that in a really fair and meaningful way that, like that really, like, introduces people who have differing few points on it? Do you ever feel Do you ever see anybody come to tell you that if you offensive when you say ladies and gentlemen for me? No, I use that every day and even in the presentation anywhere. But I think that the people feel offensive off. That is not a maturity People s o. I think that we need to come back to depart from ancient. Where did you know who is the audience and where we perform for you in our GPT party? And you said, Ladies and gentlemen, that is not proper. But I think that as a comedian we have enough level to a way of these things because I think it's simple, so

spk_0:   1:13:15
to tie into two things. So you and you talked about semantics? Are you talked about wanting what you see on stage and then his suit you just said about, You know, maybe having that compass, you have to be prepared, I guess. But what you say on stage, you do have a sense of freedom appeals a bright light on you. Generally, I can see all your faces today, but generally we can't see Your face is so there is that sense of freedom of weekend up here, and we can say whatever we want. Then when you break that barrier and you walk offstage and I've not had it happen to me, I don't think. But then someone comes up to you and says, Well, I don't like what you said about your Children. Then you're breaking that fourth wall. So in terms ofthe morning, what you say on stage, but also being prepared to continue that conversation off of states? Does that mean the comedians than have to be more careful with what they say up here? Because it isn't a bubble up here. What you see has meaning has effect. So I don't know. Is that censorship or we just need to be more coldness in all the surroundings I want to hear from we on this

spk_1:   1:14:15
one. Can you make a question? Would be more simple.

spk_0:   1:14:20
I just did my number one rule. Don't ask five questions in one question, which I just did. Do you have to be even more careful off what you see on stage?

spk_1:   1:14:33
Of course. Of course we need to be Be careful what we say on the stage. Um, especially example. If I tell jokes in here with you, you may laugh, But if you insist situation, there's somebody in the back. Just happened on my van because some people they have a recorder, all the phone, right, and it's not

spk_0:   1:14:54
having any coming show. But on my daito, they have a record and then record everything that I say right? And you know, when talking on my

spk_1:   1:15:02
tour, talk about war talk politic. And of course, what if they used these and post on Facebook or something on video? And the people you see that video will have a different perspective with the people in here. So come back with a trick of wanting.

spk_0:   1:15:19
I already give a trigger

spk_1:   1:15:20
wanting to the people on event, but not for the people who was on Facebook. So

spk_0:   1:15:25
they may have a very, very different thinking and they not honest destruction. They may unmiss

spk_1:   1:15:29
understand the masses, right? So I think we should be really, really careful with what we say on stage. But we also really careful with the people ofthe state and see on their hands what they holding in the hand.

spk_0:   1:15:43
Well, one of my questions was going to be has social media and the backlash from social media has that stay food comedy?

spk_1:   1:15:52
Um, no. I mean, in my understanding, it's just eliminated a lot of the bad actors who maybe you needed to go away. But do you guys have differing opinions on that?

spk_0:   1:16:05
Um, I think I think it does in some ways, like, for example, or just generally these things that they're like digging up your old tweets from like 10 years ago, are there, You know, your college pictures from 20 years ago or something that happened a very long time ago. And may guess, May it may have been problematic, and it may have been offensive to a certain group of people, but it was 20 years ago, and I don't know about anybody else in this room. But I am not the same person that I was 20 years ago. I've read more. I've met more people have travelled more I have had a tonne of different experiences and to hold me accountable to the point that it's going to kill my career. Um, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying, you know, you said these things however long ago. How do you feel about that now? Because your viewpoints changed. Let's look at your track record over the last 10 years. Are you still doing those problematic things? That's one thing that I think is acceptable. But to say you did something 20 years ago, that's problematic. Now, today and now you have no more career. I think that's not cool, like it's not okay, Um, and I mean, just like you have to own what you say you do, and you do have to be prepared for those conversations afterwards, but I think they're also needs to be room to grow for celebrities in general. It's not just comedians, but people in general whose lives are lived on camera and, you know, like myself and you on a much smaller scale here, inside on. But people do see us out and they see us say things or do things on stage. And then, for example, somebody came up to me after a comedy show, and he was like, So how does it feel to be known as the worst Mom and Saigon? And I just was like, Dude, are you serious right now? Like what? What? These were just jokes. Bad like it's just it's just a performance. And, um, you have to take what people say sometimes with a grain of salt. Like I know that I'm not a horrible mom, and I know what I do in my day to day, and I feel that that's a very narrow minded perspective for some, for some stranger to come up to you who's listened to you for five minutes. Say that eso I wasn't offended by what he said, but you I am accountable. And I did have that conversation with him, and I explained to him, You know, the end's announce of the whole situation, But, um, yeah, I mean, 10 years from now, if somebody comes up to me and says, You know, you're horrible, Mom, I hopefully I can have that conversation, but on the other hand, you have to have some, uh, strength and who you are as a person and not take everything that everyone says offensively and talking about things that have happened a long time ago, and then you get held accountable for today. I do think it's own failed. I do think it's very unfair and I've admitted on my podcast with friends. I used to be home for a week. No anymore. I thankfully, I didn't post anything online. I don't know if someone could find a text for me. Maybe, but I would hate to think that I would be judged in 2019 There, a seven years old something I thought when I was 19 and I was a stupid kid. And recently, an example of that. Justin Trudeau, the Canadian prime minister. Photos of surfaced of him in blackface in university. I think he was dressed as Aladdin. Absolutely terrible off course. It is nearly ruined his career. Not yet, but we recognise today that blackface is wrong, like we were talking about Asian face. I don't have anyone remembers like Mickey Rooney in breakfast at Tiffany's when he played an Asian man, or even in short circuit. I don't know. The name of the actor played the Indian character in the movie and he was no Indian at all. So my question to the audience is sort of not to the audience, to the panel. We we understand the black physician fees is completely wrong. We would never do it today. Why your thoughts on fat shaming and fat suits? Because has that gone away? Because, as I mentioned in my introduction, I mean, nutty Professor wasn't was quite a while ago, but I still not sure that we've still got the same opinion on on fat shaming. Hey,

spk_1:   1:20:42
Suze, I think people find it generally very acceptable to make fun of people still think, Yeah, I think that that's something that people still find accessible to them is comics, right? Yeah. Thinking about the 90 Professor like that does seem like a long time ago, but that I don't think that the world has really moved on significantly from them. Um, you know, a CZ we're talking about, like, this specific issue itself. I'm thinking about a friend of mine who, uh, she is a doctor. Her doctor in particular told her that she was overweight, and she finds tremendous power in referring to herself as a cat person and so like it's just like one of those things where it's like, Would it be okay for someone else to call her fat? Like, definitely not. But like, for her to use the word fat on her own terms and for herself and in a way that feels empowering her is just a different things, like, could she, you know, do a stand up routine on that? Like, maybe maybe she might kill, but, like, is that the same thing? Is like Eddie Murphy putting on a fat suit like plane? Not really.

spk_0:   1:22:11
I have a question for each of you on DH. This's a yes or no answer. You can only answer yes or no. Okay, We're gonna start with You can reap, be funny. Yes, he says no. And you? Yes. All right, Teo. So George Carlin, He famously argued the new subject is taboo on to demonstrate this. That rape can be funny. He used an absurd scenario. He said, Think about Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd. All right. Now, few people will just have to that so there are given. It would be, then. That reap can be funny. But why do you say no?

spk_1:   1:22:59
I feel like it's fairly obvious because there's nothing to me that seems funny about sexual assault. But, um, yeah, George Carlin probably made those comments at a time where he was probably acceptable to make a joke or two about that particular subject. Um, also don't fight like Porky Pig isn't a chuckle getter for me specifically so,

spk_0:   1:23:29
And I'm sorry to say that was the end of the recording. I have no idea what has gone wrong, but when I went to the podcast and make this, the recording just stopped. There's no extra fails. Welcome with Luis, who's been amazing as always, and help me set up the sun for the live shows who thank you to lose for that on we that there's no other solution. So I'm sorry of that unsatisfying. It's unsatisfying for me. We may be about another 10 15 minutes left some more thought provoking questions. We had some questions from the audience at the end that were really great as well. Thank you to everybody who came. If you are unsatisfied by not human, the end, then it means you need to come out to the shore. Next time we're going to do more of these next year, so look out for them and if you can come along. It was really great. Event on DH two. Really thought provoking answers, insightful contributions from all of our guests. So thank you so much to win. Win Jesus Lopez and Angie the diva for contributing and coming along and thank you to everyone who attended the event and thank you to everyone who's listened to this podcast and listened this far. And this is the last episode off Season two. We'll be back again in a few months. Massive, massive Thank you to everyone who's listened to even a minute of the podcast. People have sent messages, have given feedback, left reviews, got involved, Given any type of support. This has just been amazing. I'm so look out for more episodes in the future. Look out for more live events and thank you again for listening. It really does really amazing to see and to hear back from everyone. So if you want to listen to more episodes, you can go to seven million bike Stop com. You can get the podcast on apple podcast Google Podcast Spotify Stitch I Heart radio all the usual places. You can find it. So you go back and listen to old episodes. There's so many. Now you've got about a living episodes in Season 1 10 and Season two and then know the life shows well to finish it all off to any feedback, You can leave a review on Facebook, get in touch by email. Whatever you want to do. It's always good to hear from people. And once again, thank you so much for listening. Have a great day, yeah.