5 Ways Podcasting Gives You Purpose And Connection | Conor Kelly S7 E11

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This is an extra special episode at the end of season seven of A Vietnam Podcast. Each month, we are now hosting a networking event for creatives and creators looking to meet like-minded people and share ideas. 

Our second event was hosted by Conor Kelly, who is the founder and host of The ComebaCK Podcast. In this presentation, Conor explains the foundations of The ComebaCK, how to take the hardest step in actually starting a podcast and why podcasting is extremely valuable for purpose and connection. 

The show’s slogan, ‘The comeback beats the setback’, aims to shed light on comeback stories, and how guests have triumphed over adversities faced in their lives. Based in Saigon, Vietnam, the podcast has over 250 interviews from people all over the world, covering themes such as expat life, creative projects and mental health awareness.

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Creative Networking

[00:00:00] Creative Networking with Conor Kelly: Thank you very much, everyone calling up from the comeback podcast as your host tonight, I'll hand you over to him. Excellent. Well, firstly, thank you to everyone who has came today. Obviously we all have a collective interest in podcasting, some do it ourselves, somewhat considering. So hopefully this presentation can give you some kind of insight into why it's valuable, why it's key for purpose and also for connection.

[00:00:27] What I will do briefly, and I will not give you the full history. Do not worry. I will just explain really where combat came from, why I decided to do it and why it took me a long time to actually execute. It was an idea for a long time. Well, only as I mentioned earlier, January where actually came to something.

[00:00:50] So the origins were when I actually arrived in Vietnam and I came here, just turned 22 and realized that I should be doing something in my twenties. I should be really trying to get out there, actually make a name, make a career, gets something tangible, and my degree was in journalism. So I suppose it's the obvious step, really to get involved in that sort of realm yet to begin with.

[00:01:18] I didn't really know how to start. I had a whole list of reasons why I couldn't, for example, I wasn't the greatest talker. I didn't have contacts. I didn't work that hard at university. So I wasn't that versed with the journalism world. However, I thought I'd just go for it. So I started a blog in a very standard format.

[00:01:41] Hey, this is my block comeback. I'll share some stories that I've heard books or films or TV, or from people that I know, or even my own personal experiences about primarily combat from adversity. Now I called it combat because I did want to shed light on that combat aspect, but also my name is Connor Kelly.

[00:02:04] So K as the final two words, I feel I could make that, you know, the, the personal point, I guess, try to make it mine in some capacity. So to begin with at the very start, and this is towards the end of 2019, I just write about things that interested me or things that I think would help other people, such as me talking about my own experiences with severe depression, et cetera.

[00:02:32] I thought some people would benefit from that. And I would also benefit from the cathartic feeling. And I read a lot of books. I picked up a lot of tips and I thought by putting this down on pen and paper, it could go somewhere now, right now it's only a blog and it's just an Instagram. And I think I had about seven or eight average reads and article two of which would be my parents.

[00:02:56] So that was the first week. Then it would build it to 50, then 102 hundred. And I thought, right, okay, this needs to go somewhere else. I just don't know where with that. I then brought it into a blog and into before, because I had the journalism background, a voiceprint, whoops, forgive me. I was aware how to interview people to a degree, how to write it down.

[00:03:23] And I was very comfortable writing and typing behind the screen or not with a microphone, not getting my voice out there. I thought that was too much. That was an obstacle that I would have to overcome. So. Well, when I was doing the blog, I realized that if I've made this into a podcast, I could cut out all of the effort.

[00:03:43] Shall we say? Because I would interview someone by the phone, then I would have to type it up and then I have to send it to them to check and they'd want it to be corrected and they'd send it back. And it would be a two week process where I thought, if I do a podcast and I just get rid of all these stumbling blocks or that all limitations, that aren't really there, then it would be so much easier.

[00:04:05] I can just do the podcast, release it. And also people would be more willing. I think if I said to people, do you want to be featured on my blog? People would say yes, but they wouldn't be that excited. But if you see a podcast, they think, okay, there's something to this. They probably watched Joe Rogan. They probably listened to others.

[00:04:27] They probably think that, yeah, I can just talk about anything and have an opportunity to be listened to. So with the. In January, 2021, about the middle of the month, I started the podcast. Finally, I should have really included a picture of the studio I had, which was literally two chairs, a stool in my shed house.

[00:04:51] There was a cart running in constantly. There were most bikes outside, but as I will explain later in the presentation, just starting, it is often the most difficult period. And so as we see here, there are 264 guests as we currently speak. And towards the bottom left is Neil. I would have Trent on the wall, but we did not have a physical interview.

[00:05:14] However, these are a selection of preferred service that happened towards the end of the interview. So that's how it all started. And I suppose I'll expand upon why I actually begun this. And one thing that we all or I believe most of us having. Is that we came to Vietnam. We are foreigners. And we came here for some kind of reason.

[00:05:38] Now I will expand upon all these three points in the first slides, but everyone came here for a reason let's delve deeper into it and find out why, because I felt my reason was very, I suppose, basic it was literally, I need to get out of the UK. I fancy a change of scenery. I'm going to do a sample course.

[00:06:00] The first job offer I get with accommodation, I will take it just so happened to be Vietnam back in 2019. And that we go, well, I felt a lot of people would have, that's a cooler, more interesting reasons than that. So I wished to find them out with that they would have a reason for coming here and that contains a story.

[00:06:21] And in the story, there is a lesson. So I've always been obsessed with learning probably to an irritating degree as a six, seven. I'd always ask questions to parents, teachers, peers, to the point where they would just say Connor shuts up. So I duly obliged, but that was a trait of mine, I suppose, innate curiosity.

[00:06:42] And I realized the podcast platform is perfect for that. Almost like concern. I guess maybe it can be a weakness because I could have a thing, but curiosity is quite key for podcasting because you can obviously ask questions, get the conversation flowing. So I thought to try it and why we'll also expand on is everybody has their purpose.

[00:07:03] Everybody has their why, and you can learn from that. So in the next three slides, I will expand when I said that everybody came to Vietnam from different countries, my first company, or from voice break, again, not like in 24 or anything. My first company where they were from either England, South Africa or Australia, and that's generally what.

[00:07:30] You know, the, the average sort of nationality was coming here. Yeah. Upon, I suppose, further reflection whether I went to or started living in shared houses or worked at EMG, whether it's a huge variety. I noticed there were people from Kazakhstan, Lithuania New Zealand, Bermuda, Singapore, Philippines, Japan, and full.

[00:07:56] Wow. With this, you have so many different cultures, so many different experiences, so many different perspectives that I would never usually be able to hear from why don't I try this as almost like an international podcast. And I interviewed a lady today from Germany and I believe that is the 34th country.

[00:08:17] I CA I counted fairly recently and thought, wow, this is a huge depth of people from all over the world to learn from. So with that, there's always going to be a different reason why they. Because whether the situation in Germany wasn't great for them or South Africa, Australia, et cetera, it would still be an interesting insight.

[00:08:38] And then I look to actually what that reason is from the nationalities and common themes would come up. That'd be business. People would notice that Vietnam is a great place to be for business right now, they would recognize the stunt living how much it would cost to come over here, sets up the target market experts and locals.

[00:09:03] They could do some, something great here, something different to the home country. So that's why the game another common theme that's come up on the podcast and the range of interviews is, and I'm not sure the exact term and I should from some of them via cues. So they have some link to Vietnam or your parents, or any other relative.

[00:09:24] And the pops lived here before. And one interview I did recently was with a lady not knowing who is the author of third culture kids, and goes into real detail about how that third culture kid mindset really affects you growing up in later life. Where, for example, she didn't know if she was French, whether she was being mean or American, for example, Vietnamese at home or French in school.

[00:09:52] When she went to her French friends, her French friend's house, they abide by different cultures. It doesn't resolve their value system. This was New York. The people she interviewed people I've interviewed, their value systems are always quite obscured and they don't know where they actually belong. And I thought, why not explore that link?

[00:10:09] That would always come up when asking a question I always do to begin. How did you go into Vietnam? And a common one is also somewhere in Southeast Asia. I say, why Vietnam? Somewhere in Southeast Asia, I wanted to come here. Vietnam offered for instance. Or common stories that they would get backpacking for a year go to Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Vietnam would stand out.

[00:10:35] So they would call back to live. But with the general overview here, there are a range of stories and to learn from them again, it's valuable in a podcast, you can always get tips of perhaps what to move in the future. I want to move to Melbourne in the future. And obviously as we discussed just before recording at Neil and Trent both lived there.

[00:10:52] So I can always pick up little bits from different people, different places that I can pop to use for the future. I'm not stay as one benefit of the podcast. And then going back to the purpose aspect, everybody has that. Why everybody has that purpose from my own experiences growing up, I often realized things weren't going well for me.

[00:11:17] When I realized that there is nothing I actually enjoy. And I think a lot people who've been through that cycle of depression, cetera. We'll probably pinpoint that as the key factor, that there is nothing that they enjoy. And we've seen the mental health statistics go up and up at an alarming rate the last five years.

[00:11:35] And I have realized from harsh experience in my own life and also from peers, friends, et cetera, that one of that is a lack of purpose, a lack of direction, not finding the joining anything. So with the interviews I do, it's generally quite varied, but when starting your podcast, you can specify. For example, if you're in the creative realm, you get all these creatives.

[00:11:58] If you are a musician like Jeremy at soundscape Vietnam, you can interview people solely on music, or generally in that target. If you're sporting, you can go into sport and talk to people from different sporting backgrounds. If you want to raise awareness for certain charity organizations or causes that you believe in, you can also go to that.

[00:12:22] I think the key message that I'm trying to. Summarize here is that everybody has their purpose. Everybody has something that keeps them going. And during this last 18 months or longer, actually since Corona we've been lodged in our houses, not able to do anything. And that really does take its toll on you.

[00:12:42] When you are literally deprived from things that you previously enjoyed, like your sport, like your activism, your art, et cetera. Obviously you can adapt and you can find hobbies that you can partake in your bedroom, but it's not quite the same thing. And it did make me realize we all do need something.

[00:13:00] One of the guests, I had a chap called Philip McKernan mentioned one of his practices. He works with he's within the coaching sphere. So life coaching, et cetera. And he would say that one of the challenges he had set to his clients are to go away by themselves for a day and literally be by them. And they'll say, oh, I could do that.

[00:13:22] He says, yes, but you can't have radio. You can't have tea. You can't read a book. You can't listen to music. You can't have your phone. You literally have to be with you and your thoughts. And they can't do that. And 95% of people would really struggle with that because being alone with your thoughts is a very difficult experience.

[00:13:43] Hence why the, some of the things I've mentioned here are necessary. So to delve into that person's mindset, then when you have a podcast with them, such as, why do you look music? Why don't you look off? Why do you it's useful so rapidly? You can really get more information out of them. And that support, I suppose, brings me to why you should start in Saigon, especially.

[00:14:09] And I do want to stress that actually you can interview people from all around the world. You don't have to necessarily just do Saigon or just do. That is great. You do. There are lots of people and I will explain more about how you can find people as I'm sure you're aware in future slides or the variety of people in this city, in this country in particular is astonishing.

[00:14:31] As I've mentioned, immuda Kazakhstan from France, Italy, Spain, the list goes on. And one of the things I've noticed with podcasts, I often think, okay, I've interviewed this person. I'd had a connection. We've shared stories we got on fairly well now we saw some friendships, some acquaintances, some gotten better than before, but I always think if I didn't interview, would I ever really connect with you?

[00:14:58] And I often think probably not. I probably, if it was somebody who I've not got not got anything in common with, then there would be no pathway. We'd really connect properly. Maybe at work we'd have small talk. How was your weekend? Great. Okay. How'd you like Vietnamese food is lovely. Okay. Well, one of the podcasts, you can actually delve into that story and see things from a different perspective.

[00:15:23] One thing, and I don't want to dwell on this, but I will mention it later is I find that nowadays it's very difficult for a lot of people to see things from under this point of view, where I've seen it by a social media, with this console culture rights, that if you say something that's different to somebody else, it can often be seen as an insult and cause disagreement, et cetera.

[00:15:47] Whereas here you can really have some empathy. You can get into that other person's shoes and see things that you wouldn't normally see from your perspective from your conditioning. And another great reason to start is to establish, for instance, friendships and discuss hobbies with people that have similar interests.

[00:16:07] And they're acquainted to that. I'll use an example, excuse me, where I'm from in the UK. The main topics I'll say. The weather drinking and that's great to a point or I was getting into say more meditation and self-help books, et cetera, and concepts that would probably be described in the UK slightly wacky.

[00:16:30] Maybe if that's the word such as hypnotherapy more of attraction. And if I was to mention that the pub, like I get shut down or someone be like, okay, shut up. However, here in Saigon, there will be people from all over the world who will talk about this with me, but I was on end and it's not weird. It's just, we have that connection.

[00:16:49] I'm actually fascinated when I go home, the things I'll be talking about will the people that recognize me discussing these topics, because I feel like I'm learning every day. I don't know, but it is interesting in this podcast realm, but you can do that.

[00:17:06] And the thing that makes podcasting different, if you were to say, podcasting is just a conversation, you can do this anyway. Especially if you know, I think there is something different. And the way I would describe it is that you can ask somebody a question and have a conversation that I, I can't think of many examples where you could have in real life.

[00:17:31] I think only if you are extremely drunk or it's 5:00 AM and the night's gone and you're having that deep chat in front of the stars. These are the only examples I can think of where this chat would happen. You know, if you walked up to someone in your office or in your social group at 11:00 AM and said, what's your life purpose?

[00:17:50] What are your core values? What's your most important lesson? What's your biggest trauma. And how did you learn from it? They'll look at you as if you're bizarre or they will shut down that conversation. Yeah. If you ask in a podcast, you know, that there's something going on here, there's, there's a goal to be reached.

[00:18:06] You're trying to get a connection. So it, it goes, and each time you will be. Even if you did know the person for a hunt and often I don't. But when I do, they'll say something that I wouldn't have expected from them, such as the fact that before they go to do a certain activity that they love, I used sport music, theater.

[00:18:29] They will have a certain ritual to calm their anxiety. Nothing don't appear like you have anxiety or because you've, I dunno, suppose hidden it and then let it go in the podcast. Spear it's, it's a different thing and it's surprising for me. So I think it's a unique connection opportunity. I don't think you can get it in many other mediums.

[00:18:51] Now I might be wrong and I've got time to explore it. But podcasting for me, it's definitely, it's definitely brought out the side that I would always want to know. As I mentioned earlier, I'd always be that kid who would always constantly ask questions, questions, questions. I'm always wanting to know, you know, really the call inside.

[00:19:10] It's difficult together in the normal life. So podcasting is a great outlet for that. I strongly consider. And what do you need now? One thing that I thought stopped me and it held me back hugely between 2019 and 20 was the, the mountain I created where before I even started an episode, I thought I needed a huge fancy studio sponsorship, a concept book full of people with public profile, all sorts of things.

[00:19:42] I thought I needed top editing software. I thought I needed a sound engineer. I thought I needed like a Jamie of Joe Rogan to Google things for me. I thought I needed everything. And then I realized the more I met building this up, I will never actually do it because I'm acting as if you know, I've done this five years, you're starting.

[00:20:00] And if you're starting and I will discuss this more, it's fine to just have the basics and the basics, which really surprised me. The phone and the laptop they work now, of course, if you want to make it top quality, microfinance headphones, equipment editing software, that is essential. But if you just want to start off and you just want to get the ball rolling, which I think is the most difficult bit, then phone, laptop, or willingness to listen, a willingness to actually engage is all you really need aside from contacts.

[00:20:32] But I found that the biggest surprise, I thought initially, who actually come on the podcast, if I asked them to like, surely maybe a handful of people, but it would be a real challenge. And nine months in that hasn't been an issue at all. If anything, I've kind of occasionally thought, how am I going to fit these people in?

[00:20:51] So it, it depends, but I'd say the main things are just give me, wants to just start a phone and laptop is fine. Use the audio. And as I've shown your hair, hair is the wall of fame and I'll give you a brief. And I've only selected a handful of people because I couldn't go through everyone of some of the people that you might actually be able to meet and that you could benefit from both of you.

[00:21:16] It's a reciprocal thing in the future. First up is Mr. Neil McKay, who has obviously hosted this event. And the reason why I've included here is because it's my first ever presentation type. And this is something that I do want to do yet. If I hadn't had that connection with Neil prior, I probably wouldn't have been given this opportunity, but I have been given because we connected beforehand.

[00:21:40] We know each other now. And so this is how it works. Secondly, when I started out, I thought there were no podcasts in Saigon. I ops pups, foolishly didn't do that much research. One day I just typed in Saigon podcast and creators in Saigon podcast popped up and I believe it was twice a year when I look back somebody.

[00:22:04] So I'm going to see them as two. Messaging me saying I'll host Dina news, or I found a Deena knows certain tips that you were asking, getting touch. I did. She helped me out, which I was really impressed by. I had this impression that if I asked another podcast for help, they might just say, do it yourself.

[00:22:21] Don't know why that was just my assumption. Couldn't have been further from the truth, both the examples, Neil and twisty, Dana Nicholas that mentioned have all been really helpful in my journey so far. And if you have an interest in music, which I do, and my old job in Manchester was working behind the scenes for a music production magazine.

[00:22:44] So I would interview people who did the lighting, the rigging, the sound I always wanted to interview the artists. I don't, I guess that's maybe why every aspiring music journalist wants to do. And so here in Vietnam, I thought let's dive in and interview the bunks, my first band and the first segment of cold ones with Connor, where we drink beer with a group and have conversation.

[00:23:05] Was coastal connection, but in April and I've maintained contact with all of those guys since since interviewed Jeremy again about two weeks ago he's helped me out with equipment such as microphones, et cetera. And the truck that I have now at the start and end of the podcast was designed by Holland who decided to start getting into that realm during lockdown messaged me and said, would you like a podcast truck?

[00:23:31] I thought, absolutely. So that was a result of the previous chat we'd had back in April. Another friend of mine, actually, Nick he has given me a lot of interviews. He popped in one day and said, Hey, listen to most of your episodes, look the vibe. Would you be interested in speaking to somebody who has served in the military?

[00:23:52] Somebody who has been an active activist in Washington DC, or somebody who has become quite fun to the spiritual practice. And my innate curiosity said yes, absolutely to the mall and. Really impressed me what daily, almost daily. He'll message me and say, Hey, I've got a new guest for you. I don't think brilliant.

[00:24:11] This is exactly what I wanted. So he will sometimes jump on for co-hosting duties, which is also nice as a novelty. I always try to mix it up where, for example, I was just going to do combat from adversity to begin with then realized that's, it's important to share those stories, but let's also have some fun.

[00:24:31] Let's also balance it with some light-hearted versus the dark stuff. So I changed to that. I brought in groups because it was a challenge and I thought a co-host would provide a different challenge. So Nick filled that role for me, several colleagues here episode 40, Isabel, 50 Ridley, 24 Toro people that you'd see in the office.

[00:24:54] And you'd have some kind of connection with you to have friendly conversation, et cetera, but you wouldn't connect the pops too deeply, but since then I've become good friends with all of them and they. Different stories, which have really helped me in my journey, especially how they've all lived in the UK, fairly similar backgrounds in many different ways to the two on the left from the north, et cetera.

[00:25:16] So it's great to have that connection from people that you work with, that you, again, once you really get in the office under suppose some bizarre ones that I would never have predicted when I started the pod. For example, if you just said to me, you could interview friends or family members I'd say great.

[00:25:34] Well, these people, I wouldn't like this example is a lady builder. And that photo is me at 15. And it's exclusion thoughts on the, well, I was 15, so please forgive. And we met on holiday eight years ago. And obviously when you meet someone on a holiday, you don't keep in touch. I didn't assume. So. I felt like it's just a, a nice to meet you.

[00:25:57] And then you leave up to that week and I hadn't got a message. Six years or something crazy. It's the point where they've got the existed as you pause the podcast and wanting to be a guest? I said, absolutely. And so once I'm back in Europe in Norway, hopefully dinner's on the cards and she's also a Norwegian

[00:26:20] because all that for awhile and hope, she's probably the only one who actually likes him know, but it was still a great conversation. But when we had it in April, I believe next is a friend we'll Sexton. And we, we got to, I suppose, study our evolution where buck the picture on the left again, not great. When we were 18, 19, and students basically engaging in student behavior, we never thought that three years later he would become adopt age 23.

[00:26:53] And I thought, how'd you make that transition? I, I turned 24 recently and I cannot imagine how many. So to have him go from that kind of piloting aspect that you did with me to them becoming a dad was great to explore in the podcast. What's it like being in your father? What helped you get, what things are you not aware of?

[00:27:14] He described that you would, you get some kind of supervision, but largely you go home with the child and that's it. And kind of struck me that, whoa, that must be pretty daunting. And also, yeah, I am aware that I hadn't held a baby in about a long, long time. So that's where my, my baby holding skills are quite awkward on the right.

[00:27:34] Please forgive. And these are some impossible guests. And the reason I say impossible is because I always assumed if someone had a blue tick next to their name on Instagram, or they were verified that you just couldn't reach them. I just thought no, like people with any kind of public profile won't come on your show.

[00:27:53] So I accepted that initially. And then after a month thought, well, everything was normal. Why don't I just try. So here's some examples that have been real, I suppose, highlights because if he did told me, when I started this podcast in journey, they interviewed these people, I would have probably laughed.

[00:28:11] So to actually get them as great. My favorite podcast was a show called London real. When I w when I was coming to the end of uni and working in money, I just devoured every single episode, went back to the archives from 20 11, 12, and just had them on repeat and was writing down the messages of folk.

[00:28:30] Wow. These people are incredible. Like some of the names I mentioned here, like girl P as in Pawnee, there are so many more and three guests who have appeared on here. Not quite in that realm. Well, they haven't paid on the show. So it's great. When you listen to your favorite podcast, the one that you've followed on this religiously, and then some of those guests speak to you.

[00:28:51] It's, it's just, it's a weird moment. I, I got used to it, I suppose, for the first couple of ones I thought, well, this is. This is, I suppose why I started another podcast that has really benefited me in the last year is called the high performance podcast. It's with a professor and a football, presents it from the UK who I'm sure Neil will be familiar with at Damian.

[00:29:18] Again, I just thought, why not try it? I sent him a message and said, Hey, I love your podcast. Would you, if you have any time, would you give up an hour? So at school? Well, I really appreciate it. I've used your lessons in my own life, et cetera, came on on was everything I hoped for. You know, when you listen to a podcast host, week in, week out, coming out with great nuggets of wisdom, you hope then real life they'd carry that same thing.

[00:29:40] And it's not just a gimmick. And I can't speak highly enough of Damien. Indeed was another guest was the right hands month for Tony blur in case anyone wasn't familiar, but from 97 to 2000. And what really struck me about this character is that he had very bad mental health problems and a huge mental breakdown in 1986, but still worked at the top of government.

[00:30:09] And when I first discovered who he really was in about 2018, I thought, yeah, this is fascinating. So I listened to so many interviews with him and thought, yeah, I'd through to actually interview him one day just to see what it's like. And then again, just thought, w I think it was January. Yeah, it was January.

[00:30:27] I was on the flight to Annalee, listening to a podcast with us to Campbell and thought, yeah, it'd be great to have him on I'm starting a podcast next week. I'll send him a message. Send him a message on Instagram. He said, yes. And then we did the interview the following month, which again, I thought, oh, this can't happen.

[00:30:43] And it's not that difficult. I didn't need to go through an agent. I didn't need to pay, I didn't need to give him a huge list. Why I didn't need to beg. He just said, yes. I thought this wasn't that difficult. This is another obstacle. And it, I guess it went to show that you can get people that you wouldn't expect.

[00:30:59] And the final example one of my favorite musicians when I was 10 years old, so obviously a while ago, but again, like how's the song that you and your school friends are all obsessed with it that you engage and you think, okay, he's not done anything in 10 years. I'd had a few beers with some roommates.

[00:31:18] At this point, we were just playing all the songs and I thought, why not see if he wants to do a poly fight off a message? Didn't think anything else of it? And three months later got reply saying, yes, let's do it. I said, yeah, let's do it. So we did. And again, it was another moment that brought me back to when I was 11, 12, and maybe to set at that point, I'd be doing these interviews.

[00:31:38] I would have thought, well, I could go, I quite enjoy doing that in my future. So that was again a great, I suppose, to highlight on a reason, the things that you would put as a barrier for podcasting don't actually exist. Maybe it's a slide and say, Beyonce, DMS tomorrow, you probably will not get replying runs it, but there are a lot more people willing to speak to you.

[00:32:00] Then you would believe is the underlying message here. And just as a, I suppose, a trivial example, it makes nice outdoor fun. Both of these instances where separate occasions, one in Saigon, wanting to walk on holiday. And both these ladies, I got talking to them, we were talking about variety of topics. And I said, you know, I promise you we'll do a podcast to parents who like, yeah.

[00:32:25] Yeah. And almost hung over that very next day. For me on the rights we just met up in a coffee shop. I'd heard the dog and got on with it again, which was again, a weird kind of connection when you go on holiday. But it's, it's fun. I suppose I do like to do a serious interview where I'll do my research and we'll do a back and forth.

[00:32:46] But again, sometimes it can be just a. Yeah, let's do a politic. See where we go type setup. Like I still tried to embrace the spontaneity. I think that it should be fun being too rigid, might take away the initial reasons why we started podcasting. And when I look at, you know, the ones who really seem to enjoy it such as Joe Rogan, true Jordy with his house, they seem to have a lot of fun.

[00:33:10] So I tried to bring that to some of my podcasts as well.

[00:33:16] And another thing for Saigon. And I just noted down some brief examples here, because if I went on, it would go on for a long, long time. But these are a few that came to mind. Everybody knows everybody. So once you get that first interview or that first, first say three or four, you then realize this person will know somebody else who will come on.

[00:33:38] But some of the examples I put down here, one is Trent, who I messaged and realized that interview started was on, worked with arena who had also. The creative and Saigon team creates business like in Vietnam. There was a chap David, who we did an interview. He said, would you like to interview my girlfriend, Trisha?

[00:33:57] I said, yes. She said, would you like to interview my housemate, Elsa? I said, yes. Elsa had already been on Neil's podcast. I thought this is just such a connection. Everything is together. Like a web Saigon is a great place to be doing this. So again, Saigon, everyone knows everyone. Guests are, let me say easy.

[00:34:17] It's combined, but you can definitely go for it if you really just look forward to it. And I guess what I've learned, then my main lessons are everybody does have a story and a lesson, even people that you wouldn't expect. The example I mentioned earlier, was the Philip McKernan be alone with your thoughts?

[00:34:35] Is it nothing else? No external distraction that also hit me. A lot of guests come up with similar themes, such as don't take anything personally. Advice is merely just somebody. Conditioned programming from birth and it influences it doesn't reflect on you do not be affected by it too negatively. Again, the importance of small behavioral changes.

[00:34:58] A lot of the times if guests have done really interesting, inspiring things, such as Isabel, who is managed 50 restaurants or somebody else who has created five different businesses, I think I almost used to think they had a superpower. They just had something I didn't. And whenever I asked the question, often the answer comes back.

[00:35:19] Oh, I made sure that I got all the little things right. Consistently consistency and discipline are the key areas. So I'll take that thing. Ooh. Maybe, and maybe I can actually do something and maybe it's not just in special talents that are this hub. So it was certainly a key lesson. And I think what have learned most, yeah, I'd say most importantly is that people enjoy the opportunity to be listed.

[00:35:44] Whenever I've done a podcast being interviewed. I liked the fact that people are actually taking notes, paying attention to what you're seeing. It's such an underrated skill. I think especially nowadays when people fight for attention, et cetera, on the podcast, you're giving a guest like your time and attention and they really enjoy it and appreciate it.

[00:36:04] And you see in the instructions you have after that, just how much, and also you need to come make a difference a few times. And I won't go into too much detail, but I will do an interview on a certain topic, quite a slightly to be where area and some of the messages I receive after, as I think while like a can get sometimes occasionally overwhelmed just by how personal, how Frank can, how I suppose, how role the messages are of what they thought when they heard this, because it happens to them or their friend, et cetera.

[00:36:34] And I think, well, maybe even if one person has this, it can make a difference just knowing that makes podcasting so much more rewarding.

[00:36:47] So, I suppose I've given you the origins, my highlights, what I think, and a key question then, how would you get started on the one thing that was the key for me and was the key for many, this might differ or the one message that I would give based on my experiences. Just do it, just start and begin, because that really is the me the top this bit.

[00:37:12] I go back to what I said at the beginning of this presentation that I created so many obstacles in my mind. So many mountains that I hard to reach. And then I realized if I had just started, then all of this would have been avoided, all that stress and worry and procrastination just starting is the key.

[00:37:31] Even if you only have a phone and zoom, even if you only have your friends, for example, like three guests, you've got three episodes, momentum builds off that you have something tangible. And when you reach out to people. You really want to interview people. You want to speak to pick the brains people you admire.

[00:37:50] If you have three or four episodes or more, that actually show that you've done something they're much more likely to do it because they can listen. They can know if you're real, if you're authentic, what they can gain from it, what you w can be beneficial to both parties. So I think starting really is the ones that go for.

[00:38:10] Once you start, then there are a host of factors that you can consider. I guess, the name, the key topic, like the underlying theme that hostel has to be in consideration because often if I ask someone, Hey, would you like to come on my podcast? The first question, what is that about? And like, you can't really, when you can't, I guess I'm not sure how it works.

[00:38:32] If you said anything. Cause I feel like it's too vague. It's nice to specify one theme or one target area such as combat through adversities. Self-development creates. Well, a fun name, like 7 million bikes where you think that might 7 million bucks, but it's it's something original. And that's the name of the topic.

[00:38:55] And then I suppose to think of the people who you would really like to interview. So I guess it can be a fun exercise, take out pen and paper. They can be colleagues, friends, celebrities, anyone really think who would you really like to have this conversation with? And you can write these down, write down pops top three, five, and if they all have similar traits or similar experiences and backgrounds, then you'll often get an overview of who you really should be going towards.

[00:39:25] And then I guess, think of the vibe. Are you going to be more of a talker or a listener is a chat show is a formal interview. You can experiment, I suppose, that you don't have to think of the answer straight away book, or actually implement this. Certainly think of the ops, write them down and they can't do any harm to have some sort of planning system just for when you really build momentum on your podcast.

[00:39:54] And also going back to, I believe it was Louie at the beginning of this presentation, why are you doing it? What is in your core reason? What is your purpose for actually starting it? Is it for your business, your social media strategy, connecting online self promotion. Is it to share some stories? Is it to get together and share some stories, tips from certain experiences or certain themes that you've gone through, such as traveling abroad, fax buts.

[00:40:25] That's one I've heard a few times, I think is a good one. A women's hormonal health, again, a key theme, shareable experiences, raising awareness of mental health again at the group. That can be to raise awareness of the cause you're passionate about this can be relate to almost anything I'm just getting to name, you know, a lot lives monsters off the top of my head, perhaps anything else?

[00:40:48] I guess you can put that. And the final reason I have here is for fun. If you are doing the podcast and someone asks you, why do you do this? For fun is a very, very legitimate answer. This should be fun. You should be really enjoying it. If it's just a hobby that is fine. You don't have to be Joe Rogan. You don't have to make a huge studio.

[00:41:10] You can sometimes just do it literally because you enjoy having a chat with people, get together, have a few beers, see what you do. And in three or four years, perhaps, or longer or shorter, you can always go to the episode on Spotify and meet up again with those guys or girls that you've tried to and say, oh yeah, drove when we said this, et cetera.

[00:41:30] All of the reasons that I've detailed here, I think about it. I really do. Tough. Some kind of idea can help you maps, avoid brain fog or confusion when starting your journey. And yeah, as I mentioned earlier, surprisingly, and this was the bit that really shocked me because I thought no way is a phone going to contain audio that's anywhere near acceptable for a podcast, because I thought podcasts was, I suppose, as something that, of the elite standard, I thought you couldn't just be a voice recording.

[00:42:02] It works now. It's not the best of course, obviously professional podcast is we'll have studios, my friends, et cetera. But if you're just beginning it, use the phone, use the phone and maybe get the experience from actually interviewing people. Maybe building your vibe, building your audience. That can probably be more important than the equivalent.

[00:42:22] I think the phrase in football is all the gear. No idea. That was my initial plan. Well, excuse me, almost become a YouTuber, have all the equipment, but not actually know what my topic was, what I would talk about, how I would arrange guests. And I think that's more important. Now this is my view. I wouldn't necessarily necessarily say this is the same for everybody.

[00:42:45] It's just, what I found is it's benefited me a lot in my journey so far in terms of software, I was very surprised how simple it was. This is probably the most basic tool. I think there are more advanced ones, but anchor distributes to all streaming platforms that is Spotify, apple, Google, et cetera. And if we rewind to probably this time last year, I had no idea that you could get a podcast of all of these platforms.

[00:43:17] I thought you had to only have it on Spotify or only Google or only apple and the YouTube. I genuinely had no idea how it worked and what also surprised me. How quick you was. I had a thought that because I had some friends who were musicians and they would release the music on Spotify, which I believe is a two week limit.

[00:43:37] You might be able to tell me more. I thought the same with podcasting, but with anchor, what I've found is if I don't edit it, which at the beginning, I didn't, I can just upload it type out the bio, such as comeback. My guest today is David, et cetera, publish. And within 10 minutes, it's on Spotify Twitch within 10 minutes.

[00:43:57] Is that all it takes? Wow. I thought it was a hugely long drawn out process, but it really is a lot more simple than I expected or anticipated.

[00:44:09] And then how to find guests viewership. As I mentioned earlier, people you actually know could surprise you like the examples of fields or will like when you're perhaps thinking of your buyer to think of somebody, perhaps a friend or an acquaintance, a friend you meet. No to a decent level or an old friend that you've lost touch with.

[00:44:30] I think they would be perfect. They told me a story about X that would really suit their spike, get in touch and see if they're interested. Facebook groups. I I spoke to Jeremy recently from soundscape Vietnam. He posted it on the musician's network page on Facebook. I'm doing a podcast on music who would like to come on overwhelmed with requests overwhelmed, and it made sense.

[00:44:54] I've had it before where I've put in groups and people flooded in and I think, oh yeah, people do enjoy the opportunity to talk about the brands themselves. What they're up to people will respond, especially in on whether the thousands of people in these groups put it up, put your post in the, Hey, I'm doing a podcast on this who would like to come.

[00:45:15] It's highly likely you will get a response at least one or two. So I would really encourage it. Again, friends of friends at the power point. I mentioned earlier, everybody in Saigon, knowing everybody that can be used to your advantage, you can speak to a guest about a certain topic. They will say, oh, I know X who would be great, a great fit.

[00:45:35] I will put you in touch. Hey, Presto, another guest pops up and going back to the London real and Kevin Rudolph examples, fire off emails. Even if you think they'll never apply in a million years, flier elf just send an Instagram slide into the DMS, go through an email type to them on Twitter. Think of something like it might happen.

[00:46:00] And you don't know if you don't try. So if you see someone and think that they would be a great interview, just give it a try. I think that's all you can do. And come into the end of the presentation, my personal tips, and this is just me. This is just what I found. And I think. People starting out in the podcast and journey.

[00:46:20] And I think I've learnt the first one, as I said is to really listen. And I'm not always the best at this. Sometimes my mind come wander, but I am getting better now at realizing that I should just be present with this guest. I've read the books on, say present then, et cetera, you have to be present with the guests, listen to what they're saying, direct the conversation, not manner, and really pay them to attention.

[00:46:45] It's very important actually for the flow of the conversation. That's what put it number one. And I guess number two is be authentic. For example, I would class myself as fairly introverted, not the most Gary is current, so I'm not, you know, I don't take over large groups of people, et cetera. So I think that reflects on the show where I'll be more of a listener I'll observe.

[00:47:08] I'll give some quiet reflection rather than me trying to be like a Joe Rogan or comedian and trying to take it with jokes that nobody will offer. It's not my style. I think both.

[00:47:23] I'm trying to copy say, I guess I'm a podcast figure in the public domain. I think people can smell her up. So I say, just be yourself and see where it goes. Embracing failure and don't expect perfection things will go wrong, especially when you begin. Once you listen to that, almost everybody, I would say everybody actually hates the sound of their own voice on record.

[00:47:49] Like, you'll think, well, do I sound my dog? Do I have to release that? Not someone's dreadful. We will probably go through those challenges. I remember the first three or four, I think. Oh, that sounds stressful. It sounds like I've only done three of these, then it hit me. That's exactly it. I only do three, so I will not sound like I've mentioned again, Joe Rogan, cause he's done 1,002 or three.

[00:48:11] So I mean the more you do something, the better you will be. Just embrace that this stuff and do the very best that you can given the conditioning you have at that moment. I'll only briefly touch upon this because I don't want to rumble or get too controversial, but I'm having a nuanced, balanced conversation is important in this day and age in a lot of areas where I personally believe it's been lost.

[00:48:35] I believe that people don't like to have, you know, a, just a balanced debate or discussion a dialog about an issue. It has to be tribal. It has to be a route, especially on social media, a podcast as a platform to really delve into that issue with somebody. And you don't necessarily have to agree with them, but you can see it from that point of view.

[00:48:53] And I think that a podcasting platform is keen for that. So you can make a difference in that regard. And I guess the final thing I look at Saigon very differently since I started podcasting where I was here for a year and three months, I'd say before I started. And I've been doing it now then for just a year and things have changed so much in terms of the opportunities.

[00:49:18] I get the people I get to speak to the lessons that I've learned. The thing I realized was they've always been there. I just wasn't in the place like mentally or physically to actually get those interviews or get those lessons because I wasn't actually directing my attention towards them. I was directing my attention to bullshit basically, and not actually doing something tangible or creative for myself.

[00:49:43] So once you get into this role where you can have these connections with people and you can understand these insights, Saigon becomes that little bit better. And when the, you will hear for another three months, another three years or longer, it can always just be a benefit. The final thing I'll say it again, because I really have found this.

[00:50:04] The first step is the hardest. I think it's true. I really think just actually getting it. Getting it out there on Spotify is the trickiest. Once it's there, a huge obstacle is gone. You, you almost well, I'm speaking for myself. I built this huge obstacle or a podcast. It's huge. It's giving on Spotify.

[00:50:23] People hear my voice, it might get shared. I have to promote it, et cetera. And then once I published it, all of that went and now it feels very normal where, you know, I remember when I did my first of the podcast I was interviewed and I put it on Facebook people. Oh my God, you did a podcast. And I thought, yeah, I actually did a podcast.

[00:50:41] This is crazy. And now it is very much a normal day. I do podcasts as we said quite regularly now. So yeah. Old as the result of just starting, I think it just wants you start, it flows from there. You can pick up a book. I personally, I think it's a book like when you get traveling to one country or two and you want to go to the mall.

[00:51:00] I was a bit like that with podcasting. I interviewed my, my first guests KZ enough. I became obsessed up points, probably a little too obsessed where I was, as we mentioned, publishing five a day and then up just toned it down and just realized one a days. No two are very much, but again, you do get the momentum from just actually getting it done.

[00:51:25] I guess I do have to plug the podcast whilst here. So I'll just mention briefly where you can access it. I do most of the promotion by Instagram, which is just the hashtags and letting you know who's been interviewed and what they've been up to at to actually find it on Spotify, et cetera. The links are on my social media platforms, but if you just want to type it in, people have had issues with this because comeback is quite a common word.

[00:51:49] There are quite a few podcasts with that name, just type in my name, comeback Connor Kelly, and it should come up on all streaming platforms. I've said for about two months, I'm going to meet my website and I've been dossing about with. Well, I've recently had brought, say an accountability circle. So they going to basically kick my bucks I'd into actually doing it.

[00:52:11] So this'll be up very soon, which is another way of accessing, I guess, to conclude. Thank you very much for listening and thank you to Neil for giving me this chance and any questions. Oh, thank you. So, so much con I guys give a big round of applause there for Kona. That was a really, really good, really, really enjoyed that.

[00:52:37] So, so many good tips. Great to hear your story as well. I, I really, really connected with what you said about. The connection you get with guests is probably been my favorite part of podcasting. What you said about, you know, you could normally, when we have those conversations at the end of the day or under the styles, and it's really, really amazing when you have like, so you talk about even interviewing friends.

[00:53:02] My first episodes were interviewing friends and I've still never had a deeper chat with him than I did that one. I will, that we just sat down and the stories he shared with me. And so even my guests today are just say, I can't believe we're sitting and talking about this and you're sharing this and you Sue you, do you not, you don't keep in touch with everyone, but you make acquaintances.

[00:53:22] You make good friends. And for me, that's one of the most amazing things. So yeah, I really, I really connected with that. So yeah, let's open up. Who's got some questions for quantum

[00:53:44] Well, I definitely came here as someone who hasn't posted podcasts before, but has been on a few. So, you know, I, I definitely appreciate your break down out of it. I guess one of the things I was thinking about is like, how do you pick out your questions and how do you weigh out your judgment for what's, you know tactful and what might be too intrusive?

[00:54:17] Hmm. That's a good question. Initially I will have done some kind of research most of the time, probably 90 to 95%. And, but it's usually just their social media profile. And with that, if they say or speak about an issue that might be slightly intrusive, I will say at the start. Okay. This is why Sonia social media, wouldn't you be comfortable with?

[00:54:41] If they say yes, discuss if they say, no, you don't. And I also give a brief overview just before we begin. So I'll say, Hey, David, we're going to discuss your work, your background, Vietnam, any challenges, any advice. And I'll go through that and say, is that okay? If they say yes, I then say it will be freestyle.

[00:55:01] And if there's anything I ask you that you don't feel comfortable, you don't have to just say I'd rather not. And we'll move on. And people generally understand that there's only been one or two in two 60 that upset, oh, I don't want to talk about that. And I say, okay, I edit that out and then move on. So I I'm pretty clear from the outset exactly what is going to happen.

[00:55:20] And with that, I, I suppose I think the guests will know. I think, you know, when somebody often is trying to, I guess, be newsy or go too personal, but you also know when they're asking just out of interest and so far, I think I've given off that vibe that is just purely. Well, there hasn't been a huge issue.

[00:55:38] Well, that's how I go about it. Basically, just once the question, just to be transparent from the office. Thank you. No it sounds like a consent prior to recording plays a big role in that, and that was something that definitely is an interesting point to hear. So thank you for that and to add as well, you and consent is completely correct.

[00:56:04] And you can do that within the podcast is barrel budget saying, oh, if you're comfortable about talking about this and then I'm similar to corner, I think I've maybe only had two occasions where they were like, oh, I don't want to talk about that. And then kind of had to edit it out, but that's just because it was something about a family that they mentioned and they're like, oh, I don't want to mention that.

[00:56:22] So it doesn't come up too often, but yeah, I think it is preempting. It helps. So we've got Trent, who's going to be one to start a podcast, Mila, and who's going to produce a podcast, Louie. Who's making one with me and then Garah, I'm not too sure. Podcasting interest. What, what are you guys have any feedback on corners, presentation, or anything else that you'd like to know or clarify on?

[00:56:46] I'll jump in. Can you guys hear me? You guys are, you guys are frozen on your side. I know if we can hear you fine. Okay, great. Well, first off, nice to meet you too all. I don't believe we've had a chance to meet outside tonight. But I was just going to say, Neil your friend Fiona Thompson recommended.

[00:57:08] I check out the some events thank you for having me and Connor. I know we we worked together, but we never really had the chance to kind of properly meet, but I just wanted to say thank you for the presentation. I really enjoyed it. I definitely feel motivated coming out of tonight to explore something like a podcast.

[00:57:33] And so, yeah, it just had a, I guess an easy question for you. I was just curious, who's your next guest? Who do you have lined up for you? Who are you excited to? Kind of chat with her in the near future. Yeah. Tomorrow I have two plans. One is a guy from Finland he's moved over from Hanoi and he took the Tony Robbins course.

[00:57:53] So we're basically going to, I believe it's the firewalk. I think Neil mentioned that when we did our podcast episode two, I think he, yeah, I think he did quite, I need to really research this actually. So thank you for reminding me is he did something related to that with Tony Robbins. So we'll ask about that.

[00:58:10] And a French lady who was involved in three different charities. So what I need to do is really work out exactly what she's up to, what she's doing and see where it goes. And yeah, to be honest, I'd taken the weekend off because I just want to relax, come Halloween. But after that, I think in November, I'm going to try.

[00:58:31] One a day on average, but there's no one really in mind right now, except that there are some guests I've had on previously, he will be coming back. Well, yeah, that's the gist, I guess for now there's going to be a variety and you yourself are welcome if we can ever arrange that. So, yeah. Yeah, definitely. I appreciate that.

[00:58:50] I did. I actually had a follow-up question if you don't mind with you mentioned anchor in terms of your editing software in terms of how long it takes you to edit a podcast it's in terms of outside of the actual chat, how long was it taking you to edit? Go through? Yeah, sure. It depends because my, my time limit is usually it fluctuates.

[00:59:19] So I'd say the average is about 40 minutes. So if it is a side podcast to edit that, I would say it sort of around the same time. Maybe 14 minutes because I'll keep going back. And should I call out say three points, 16 or 17? So I guess it does depend on it, but probably the same amount of length is the same amount of time to edit or slightly more.

[00:59:44] So I'd say around 15 minutes more than the actual timers, if that makes sense. Yeah. Cool. It's a good question. Can, can I add to that as well? Could I make that I'm reading a blog post right now, which will come out soon and this one of the topics I'm going to talk about, and it really varies. So I recently interviewed a woman who does the Vietnamese boat people podcast, and she makes like a storytelling format podcast.

[01:00:13] And for half an hour of podcast, it takes her about 60 hours of editing. She's turning it into a story, you know? So it's like taking bits and, and having an aeration and putting altogether in the reading it, so that's, you know, they can take that long. In the beginning I would say it probably took me like maybe two, three hours per one hour.

[01:00:38] So about one to three ratio. That's come down a lot. No, thanks to new technologies and not being as pedantic as I was in the beginning. So it can vary from, I think in the beginning corner, you just automatically uploaded it. Right. So you're, you're zero editing time, right? Yeah. That was the first year.

[01:00:58] I thought, as I mentioned, just mentioning that point. So it really up to you how what you want to do, but sometimes it can get, you can get, like, if you're talking about editing out one second, then I've been there before, where I'm like trying to stitch together this tiny bit, and then I've made so many stitches.

[01:01:16] I've forgotten where I was. And then I'm like, oh, I have to undo it all. And start again. It can be the most fun and the most frustrating part of making a podcast, I think

[01:01:30] Milan or Trent, any or Louie as well. And I would recommend Louie for a guest on your podcast corner. He's a, he'd have a lot of good stories to share. Excellent. I will be in touch. Just don't ask him about his internet connection. Cause you, you get angry. Okay. Well they should just avoid that one.

[01:01:55] Oh, Louis, we can't hear you. Yeah, that's this'll work. There we go. Here we go. Jenna, I'm telling you it's, it's the people problem right now. It's always the people there's nothing wrong with it. It was just not facing in the direction of my voice

[01:02:17] and I was supposed to know what I'm doing, right. Yeah, I, I just couldn't help, but noticing some common themes that you put in just the three that I've done with Neil so far. And, and also just hearing some of the tips that he was prepping me and my partner Wolfer with us, that. I was kind of struck by that.

[01:02:42] I don't know if it was because I didn't expect it or I thought that we were all pretty unique, but in a way we're not because we're, we're all, all about a human story. Right. You know, and the human stories don't really change. It's just the way of delivering it. Right. And it's just the you know, the, the topics will change, but human stories are human stories.

[01:03:07] And you know, it just reminded me that we wanted it to be a human story. Right. If, if Neil remembers right, you know, we talked quite a bit. Sort of this is coming from our very personal experiences, eyes, it professionals in the trenches. And that sort of, we wanted that to come through and not be just another marketing talking here because we're not, we, we, we started our careers literally under people's desks.

[01:03:40] Right. We were it help desk people under people's desks, plugging things, taking things apart. Right. We, we were, you know, we were the it crowd before there was the it crowd. Right. So, all right. And you know, I, I. People need to understand that. And, and so far, right, Neil, I mean the three that we've done, even though it's, it's a podcast about tech of we've talked about is people in history a lot.

[01:04:14] Right. But, but tech kind of glues in the stories a bit, right? This is what brings us together. But you would think ostensibly a topic about digital and technology and, and that we'd be talking, you know, a lot of, you know, deep programming language and Grammy, really technical stuff. And, you know, we haven't even the guys, the guests that we've had except for, except for Dennis.

[01:04:43] But then it's, you know, he's on a different, you know, radio frequency then less. But we, we still managed to find it it's about people. Right. And, and I think that's really great Connor too, to see that you just kind of reinforcing that. I think our initial sort of impression about this is it's the right one, right.

[01:05:04] And I think that's going to help us build a more successful podcasts. That's gonna generate more interest in and hopefully be more helpful. Right. Not, not just be a marketing driver for business consulting, but at the end of the day, we, we, we want to be helpful to people wherever they are. So, yeah. I appreciate that sharing.

[01:05:29] Yeah. I'd like to sorry if I cut you off, Neil. No, no. I was going to say, thanks, Louis. I'd like to echo you know, everyone who's spoken already and, and saying, thank you, Connor for you know, sharing these things because I've considered a podcast for years, I've written jokes about it. Like but just to getting started part, you know, the, what service do I choose?

[01:06:03] How do I get it out there? How do I record it? You know, all of these things that would get overwhelming before I even researched them. So like, you answered a lot of things that I've wondered about for a long time and as comedian, a genuine connection matters to me. And you don't always know whether or not you're getting that with comedians.

[01:06:28] So like being able to talk in that kind of format has. It sounds appealing to me, you know, from, from hearing what you said about it. So I really appreciate you, you know, bringing out your experience with them, passion for it. So thank you. Yeah, one of that. So I studied sport science and one of my favorite kind of concepts that I learned from that was a concept that affects elite level athletes called paralysis by analysis.

[01:07:03] And if you base it, as you can understand from the concept of you spend too much time analyzing stuff, you paralyze yourself. And so that can creep into anything, not just elite level sports, but you can, I mean, obviously a lake kind of a saying, if you spend so much time thinking about it, you end up becoming paralyzed and don't do it, but it is the most difficult step is to just, just do it.

[01:07:24] So, you know, that that was a, I liked that. You worry about it being, you want it to be perfect. You think it has to be amazing. It has to be best book. If you're in the early stages, it just won't be. I won't so realize that I didn't want it to be lazy, but I thought that that would benefit me more than this perfectionist mindset, which just doesn't exist.

[01:07:44] So, yeah. That's why I went for this. Just, just do it mindset and I think it was a good idea.