#038 Varsity N Star Sweaters and the Army Navy Star Series with John Carter '22

Naval Academy Life and Tradition: The Star Series and Letter Sweaters

This episode of the Academy Insider podcast, hosted by Grant from The Vermeer Group, kicks off its second season focusing on the life and experiences at the United States Naval Academy. The podcast, aimed at Naval Academy graduates, midshipmen, future midshipmen, and their families, features a conversation with John Carter '22, a former Navy basketball player and current Marine Corps officer. The discussion sheds light on the Army-Navy star series—an athletic competition between the United States Naval Academy and West Point—as well as the tradition of the varsity letter sweater, which signifies athletic achievements at the Academy. Carter shares personal anecdotes about his time as a basketball player, the significance of earning the coveted sweater and stars, and his overall experience transitioning from high school to the Naval Academy, including his preparatory year at the Naval Academy prep school. The episode aims to provide insight into the camaraderie, challenges, and proud moments that define being part of the 'Navy Team Family' and participating in one of the academy's storied traditions.

00:00 Welcome to Season Two: Unveiling the Naval Academy Insider

00:46 Sponsor Shoutout: The Vermeer Group's Support

01:15 Diving Into the Episode: A Chat with John Carter

03:02 John Carter's Journey: From Tennessee to the Naval Academy

06:39 The Thrill of the Army-Navy Rivalry: Inside the Star Series

14:25 The Prestige of the Letter Sweater: A Naval Academy Tradition

23:08 Reflecting on the Naval Academy Experience

24:19 Closing Thoughts and Invitation for Engagement

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Academy Insider Season 2 Podcast Episode - John Carter 

Grant Vermeer: [00:00:00] Welcome to season two of the Academy Insider podcast. Academy Insider is a 501 C3 nonprofit organization that serves midshipmen, future midshipmen, and their families. At its core, this podcast is designed to bring together a community of Naval Academy graduates and those Affiliated with the United States Naval Academy in order to tell stories and provide a little bit of insight into what life at the Naval Academy is really like.

I hope you enjoy it. Thank you so much for listening and reach out if you ever have any questions.

The Academy insider podcast is sponsored by the Vermeer group, a residential real estate company that serves the United States Naval Academy community and other select clientele in both California and Texas. If I can ever answer a real estate related question for [00:01:00] you or connect you with a trusted academy affiliated agent in the market, which you're in.

Please reach out to me directly at grant at the Vermeer group. com. You can also reach out to me on my LinkedIn page, grant from here. And I'd be happy to respond to you there. Thank you so much. And now let's get back to the episode. Hey everyone. And welcome to the Academy insider podcast today. I'm joined by John Carter.

Who's a former Navy basketball player and now Marine Corps officer. And in this episode, we're going to touch on two main topics, which is one, the army Navy star series, which is an athletic competition between West point And the Naval Academy. And then two, we're going to talk about the varsity and sweater.

If you've ever seen a midshipman walking around the Naval Academy campus with a blue cardigan sweater and a gold and potentially some stars on it, we want to take this opportunity to give a little insight into what that means. Who can wear them when they can wear them and just everything about the sweater.

So if you're interested in learning that, make sure to check out this episode. And just as a spoiler, Navy does lead the all time star series with a [00:02:00] record of 1, 174 to 889, which is just over 57%. So we love it. I hope you enjoy this episode. Feel free to reach out to me with any questions or comments. I'd love to talk to you.

Thanks. Hey John, thank you so much for joining us, man. I really appreciate you taking the time to come talk to the Academy Insider audience a little bit about the Letter Sweaters and the Star Game. Man, I appreciate you being here. 

John Carter: Yeah, man. I appreciate you reaching out and inviting me, brother. Very happy to do this for those listening.

I mean, like, just getting to talk to a fellow NTFer, yeah, it's going to be really cool. Appreciate you inviting me. 

Grant Vermeer: Absolutely. For all those listening, NTF, Navy Team Family. That's like the basketball motto. Again, the football team's got the brotherhood, right? That's their thing. For us, it's NTF, Navy Team Family, and that's carried on for generations of Navy basketball players.

So, very cool. But yeah, if you don't mind just telling the audience a little bit about NTF. Your background, where you're from, what brought you to the Naval Academy and then [00:03:00] what you're currently doing in the military. 

John Carter: Yeah. So I'm, uh, from a, a smaller city named Spring Hill, Tennessee, about 30 minutes South of Nashville, Tennessee, born and raised there, obviously I played basketball, uh, all throughout, you know, my years and eventually.

Got recruited by the Naval Academy. It all started the summer, right before my senior year was when they first called and had a good senior season and eventually went on my, my visit to go see the Naval Academy and meet the team, meet the coaches. I actually committed on my visit, uh, believe it or not. I think it was just the, the Naval Academy's, the yard, the campus was, is beautiful.

I don't have military in my family at all. So like, it was all just very new to me. Eye opening and my parents loved it. Almost just naive and it was bliss and everything that we didn't know. It was just like. This is amazing. Um, so yeah, I committed on [00:04:00] that day really had nothing to do with basketball. I just had to deal with the school itself and the possibilities and opportunity.

Grant Vermeer: I'm with you on the recruiting visit. They do such a good job on recruiting visits. I walked away from that. I'm like, this is the greatest place on earth, man. Like, this is cool, right? Especially because recruiting visits, right? I think this is a fun little side thing, right? For a lot of people that go on normal candidate visit weekends, we call them drags.

You're walking around with plebes, right? So you kind of see the plebe life for the athletes For recruited athletes, they'll put you around with like a second class or a firstie, right? So you're going around they have weekend liberty. They're wearing civvies, you know They're playing video games in their room and you're like, oh man, this ain't bad like This is crazy.

Uh, and then like annapolis itself is just gorgeous, right? You know what I mean? So you see it they take you to formation like you're saying with no military background much like I was too You I watched that new meal formation. I was like, yo, this is, this is cool, right? Like, this is cool. And they get you.

So I did, I'm, [00:05:00] I was the same way I was the same way. I left that visit and I was like, 

John Carter: this is it. And on top of that, they take you to most likely they'll send you to a football, a home football game. If you come on those that weekend, and usually they're really great, beautiful days and seeing the walk on right before the, or the March on right before the game.

The weather, the flyover, everything, it's just like a great experience and it's, yeah, especially from a kid from a small town in Tennessee. 

Grant Vermeer: 100%. So, you make the decision to come to Navy, you're here, how was the first bit of like plebe summer and plebe year before basketball season actually started? Was it a tough adjustment for you or, no, it didn't bother you too much?

John Carter: Well, to add to my story, I actually went to Naval Academy prep school right before I went to the Naval Academy. So after high school graduated, went to the prep school, um, so like give me a year to like get indoctrinated into the military, get indoctrinated [00:06:00] to just like Academy life on a lower scale. Got to play basketball there.

Got, we went to school just to see if I could do it. And I, I did it at the end of the year. Obviously I chose to continue on to go to the Naval Academy. And so my first, my reaction to Plebe summer and just Plebe year in general was honestly not as bad as most because I had a year to kind of get used to it.

So it was kind of just getting, getting used to the Plebe stuff because we didn't experience that at NAPS. So that was an adjustment for sure. But in terms of like school, basketball, just military in general, I felt pretty comfortable already. 

Grant Vermeer: And with the topic of this episode really being about Star Games, which is Army, Navy, Navy.

In general, what was it like playing against MEPS, right? Cause that's like, West Point has like a military academy too. Like, was that a huge game when you were at NAPS? Like, what was that experience like? 

John Carter: Those were, we played them twice just like we do at Navy. Those were the biggest games of the year.

Cause [00:07:00] like, most of our games at NAPS, we played in front of maybe like five people. But when it was NAPS against MEPS. When they came to us, our whole entire battalion went to the game and it was rowdy when we went to maps, their whole entire battalion was there and they're even rowdier, uh, they would come out here.

Yeah. They were coming on the court. They were talking some crazy stuff to us. It was definitely a great indoctrination to that rivalry. Honestly, like those are my favorite, some of my favorite games. I remember as a, just a basketball player, honestly. 

Grant Vermeer: Yeah. It's funny. You said that even about maps, like I was retelling some of these stories earlier too.

I'm like, he had army Navy game in Annapolis, super fun. Super fun. Great game. The Army Navy game, up at West Point. Now that, that's next level. That's a different experience. You might have to take my Navy card, but like, there's something about going up to West Point, being out there in West Point, New York, where there's nothing, because [00:08:00] West Point, New York, sorry.

Yeah, anyway, but like it makes it a whole event the gyms packed from the floor to the rafters The whole like core cadets is just down there dude. Like it's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy 

John Carter: They make it real intimate because they have on both ends of the goals. They have the bleachers right there So that a lot of I'm assuming football players too.

They're probably right there Just going crazy on you in it. Like it just feels everyone's on top of you I like, I agree with you though, like Naval Academy in Annapolis, it's a good experience. Like it's a nice atmosphere, but West Point is, West Point's a jungle, 

Grant Vermeer: man, it's rowdy. You can like feel, like you can feel it, feel the energy on the floor, man, it's crazy.

Yeah, 

John Carter: for sure. 

Grant Vermeer: Yeah, so along that, right, I think it's really interesting because In basketball, you play the team twice, right? And so you have one home game, one away game, and all these different aspects. But what was that experience like playing in your very first Army Navy game? Do you remember like what it was?

Was it in Annapolis? Was it at [00:09:00] West Point? Kind of how did that work out in your plea beer? 

John Carter: Yeah. So I was fortunate enough to start my plea beer. So I, I had a lot of experience throughout the year. And so my first star game was at West Point. Um, and to be completely honest with you, I don't remember too much from the game.

I remember I was nervous and that I had a bad shooting night. However, I remember that for some reason, I think like one of the coaches was like, Hey, we really need you to rebound tonight. And for some reason, that was just like my thing that night. I do remember I had like 12 rebounds, didn't really score, but Hey, we won the game.

Actually no, I think we lost. Um, yeah, we ended up losing because. All four years we split with army one, one, but we won the star game three of the four times. So yeah, we lost that game, but I do remember 1000 percent my second game at Indianapolis. for the star. It was kind of like my coming out party. [00:10:00] It was like my, probably like top three game of my career at Navy.

Um, and I know West Point really didn't expect me to have the game that I had. And I remember Coach, Coach Tichellis, before the game, he's like, it seems like every game, someone pokes their head up. Someone you don't expect. And it just so happened to be me that night. Today! 

Grant Vermeer: John Carter. 

John Carter: Yeah, John carter. Oh, but yeah There's just like this was like a different adrenaline you have leading up to those games Warming up.

It's just a little more swagger. The music seems a little bit louder. The sweat is dripping a little bit more Yeah, there's something about what there's something about army to like their team how they warm up They just look like they just feel like they have a lot of arrogance and cognitive. I don't mean is in disrespectful way It is something there when it kind of gets you up more It's 

Grant Vermeer: the 

John Carter: rivalry 

Grant Vermeer: too, but right, like you're saying, like, everyone's juice, they're feeling the juice, we're feeling, [00:11:00] like, it's just a, it's a rowdy thing.

I do want to dig deep, and this is kind of almost to the premise of this episode, you mentioned twice the Star Game. For anyone who's listening and be like, What the heck does that mean? Do you mind giving a little bit of insight into what you're referencing when you say the star game, because this is a really unique, interesting thing about kind of the army, Naval rivalry in sports at the Naval Academy.

John Carter: Yeah. So a lot like in football, every year they play each other. And in the game, like they, to this day, for years, they've been counting wins and losses for Army versus Navy. And so a lot like that, it's the same thing for basketball. However, the difference is we play each other twice a year. So the second time we play them in the season is the star game.

And that one counts to trophy that we actually earn that hopefully not doesn't get exchanged year to year, but it is that trophy is present at the game. And whoever wins that star game gets to take it, take it home. To with them for the next whole [00:12:00] year. I know I was sitting, it was sitting in Coach's office all year until like, obviously we have to play them again and have to bring it out.

But thankfully we won it. We won it three out of the four. That's dope. Which was really cool. 

Grant Vermeer: Yeah, that's one of my favorite memories. I got a picture. If you want to stalk me and like do a deep dive through my Instagram, I got like my favorite picture is me and Pookie and Earl. And it was my plea beer and we won the star game.

You take the picture in the locker room with that big old trophy in there. I know you got one up on your Instagram too, with the trophy on. Oh man. 

John Carter: My second class year, I didn't play cause I was hurt. I had a boot on and I still took a picture with it. You know, it's always cool to like have those bragging rights and work for something like that again, especially in the army.

Grant Vermeer: Yeah. And so, like John said. The second game out of the year is the star game. And so when we referenced the star game, that's specific to basketball, but the star [00:13:00] series has been going on for a long time. So the army Navy star series is something that's really interesting. So it features 24 games throughout the year that army and Navy play each other in all the different sports, indoor track, outdoor track, swimming, diving, wrestling, basketball, football, baseball, all the different sports that you can compete in.

And all the different matches, there is a star game for that. And so there's 24 competitions in year and and each time like that record is kept track of right. And like we're saying for basketball, you play them twice, but only one game is the star series. And if you win that game, then you earn the right to one for basketball, like the trophy.

But two, you. A star, which is actually like pretty interesting because there's literally a ceremony at the end of the year called the bell ring ceremony. And like, if you beat army that year or won the star game, you get to ring the bell. And then we literally have a banner up near gate one where like all the teams that want to star that year.

[00:14:00] Get, like, put up on there, right? And so, it's just a really unique, interesting, like, aspect to Naval Academy sports, because, like, you compete for the right to win a star for the Naval Academy in this Army Navy series. But then, also, individually, because if we're looking in the background, if you're just listening to the audio, I'm sorry, you're gonna have to check out the video on YouTube, but he's got a sweet little sweater!

Up hanging on his board there. You mind talking a little bit about what the star game means for the sweater and take a little bit of time and explain what a varsity letter sweater is or a club letter sweater is. 

John Carter: Yeah, so to start with the sweater itself, you earn the sweater once you, I don't remember how many, if there's a minimum games or minimum minutes or however, whatever it is, but once you meet that threshold in varsity sports at the academy, um, you earn the sweater.

So like you were saying earlier about like your youngster year you got finally got the sweater Please don't have the sweater [00:15:00] because they have yet to earn it due to the fact that the nature of the fact that they haven't Been playing but they haven't had a year to play. So most of the time it's youngsters who finally get it Um, they're probably wearing it the most honestly if we're being honest.

Grant Vermeer: Yeah, 

John Carter: but yeah No, we you get this sweater and you earn it. And so then like grant was saying Like you were saying, once you win a star game, you didn't earn one of those stars on your sweater. I never got my third one. So keep in mind that I earned three or we earned three. We're going to have to, we're going to 

Grant Vermeer: have to go back to Annapolis and get you.

Yeah, exactly. And 

John Carter: so when. Uh, when you wear the sweater on, on the, on the yard, you can kind of see who, who's been winning those games and who's been losing those games, just by the number of their stars. It's funny because track and field, indoor, they have indoor and outdoor seasons. So for both seasons, they can earn a star.

So there's a lot of like, firsties at the academy. You [00:16:00] have like eight stars going all the way up to their Those things are wrapping up their back. Yeah, all the way up their shoulder and over their back. It kind of looks ridiculous, but it's a slight flex if you If you, uh, have all those stars and I'm sure they love it.

Yeah. 

Grant Vermeer: Aesthetics go down. The sweater doesn't look as pretty, but the flex goes way up. That's what the flex goes way up. 

John Carter: What concept makes sense. But yeah, the, uh, you can wear the sweater. So I think the rule at the Academy, you can't wear it like every day. You can wear it. Um, specifically on a game day, you can wear it.

If let's say we had, so let's say we had a game. On a Saturday, that's a way usually will travel Thursday, maybe Wednesday, depending on how far it is, if I went to class on that Wednesday, but our game is until Saturday, I could wear on the Wednesday because I'm technically that's my last day of class that week.

I can wear technically and then the [00:17:00] last rule is, um, if you're an in season athlete. That means your season, that means your team is in season, every Friday you can wear your sweater. So trust me, I take advantage of any time I could wear it. 

Grant Vermeer: I'm telling you, these things, these things are kind of warm too, because it's basketball season, it's cold out, they're warm, they're warm.

I was always looking for that excuse, right? It was great because Patriot League plays on Saturday. So like you wearing it on Friday regardless. You're wearing it on Friday regardless. And then Wednesday, either Tuesday or Wednesday because if you got a road game, we're wearing it on Tuesday before we get on the bus or you're wearing it on Wednesday.

And uh, it's way warmer than the Ike jacket. You know what I'm saying? So like that was my favorite thing. And so you would put it on, right? You would have it. It's like if you were in SDBs, but instead of wearing the SDB jacket. You wear, you wear the sweater, 

John Carter: man. The sweater? Yeah. You just, the 

Grant Vermeer: sweater with the, the white 

John Carter: with the white tie collar shirt and the tie on.

Tie 

Grant Vermeer: and no cover. That's probably the next best piece. You ain't gotta wear your cover, you ain't gotta worry about carrying that around the whole place. You just gonna like walk around with the, the, the sweater on. Yeah. And [00:18:00] uh, man, that, that, uh, the best. I like 'em. I think they're super cool. I got, uh, again, I think it's another varsity athlete thing.

You at least gotta get one picture on the gram a year. Oh yeah. In the sweater. Normally before the army game. Right. Yeah. It's critical. 

John Carter: It's just one of those things, like, you're an athlete of the academy, those who aren't athletes can't get it. So it's just one thing to kind of remove your, like, separate yourself in a way.

Whether that's right or wrong, but yeah, I think my favorite part about the sweater is the no cover, like not having to keep track of it all day, not having to wear it, you just, you know, you leave class, you don't have to worry about trying to grab it or forgetting it and stuff like that. 

Grant Vermeer: Yeah. Yeah. But for, but for a full recap, not I'm with you for a full recap of anyone who's listening, like if you're going to visit your son or daughter, niece, nephew, grandson, granddaughter, whatever it is at the yard, and you see someone walking around with one of these.

Sweater, one of these sweaters on, it means they've, they lettered as a varsity athlete. If they have any stars, it means [00:19:00] they beat Armin in the, in the star game. And if they're wearing it, like you said, it means that they likely have a game that day or like coming up in the very immediate future. Right.

And so, you know, it's one of those things where like, it's, it's a unique little interesting aspect that you can gain a little bit of knowledge into that specific midshipman about what's going on. Right. And the letter sweaters are very cool because you also get them for club athletes. So if you're a varsity athlete, you just get this.

If you're watching the video, you just get the straight end. And like, that's, that's just what it is. If it's a club sport like you'll get it and it'll say the name of your club on there So if you if you like letter in in your club sport Then you can kind of get one as well for that and it'll actually list what club you're a part of which is very cool But yeah a fun little unique aspect about Naval Academy life Right is is this idea of the star series, which is just a fun competition And then the sweaters, right?

The sweaters, the sweaters are just a really fun, like interesting, cool thing. Um, you know, I joke, like, I love that [00:20:00] thing when I got it my youngster year, dude, I wore it. I wore that. I was back home for Christmas. I wore that thing to Christmas mass, dude. I couldn't take that thing off. I thought it was the coolest thing in the world.

I was like, Hmm, no, I'm wearing this thing everywhere. I love it. And, uh, Man, the life of a benchwarmer though, Doug, so My time my time my freshman year. I played a lot, right? I was kind of with you I played a lot my freshman year like it was super fun. You know, I got my first game against army You know Reggie Miller's at the game.

He's announcing. We're taking pictures. We're shooting with him before at shoot around before the game You know, I score one basket in the in my first army game. I just threw that thing up That was super lucky, little, little floater, super lucky, but like getting this star was awesome. I then go into, uh, you know, my, my, my youngster year and we lose the star game.

I, I still played a good amount my, my, my youngster year, we lose a star game, so no star. Junior year, We win the star [00:21:00] game, but I was a benchwarmer. Oh, look, my time at the Navy, it was great. Like, we had, Sean came in, Bryce came in, we had some people who were just better than me. Great dudes, and better than me.

Right? And so, uh, I go, I go at the end of the year to go pick up my star, cause we won the star game. And they're like, the shipmates. You did not let her, you did not let her as a varsity athlete this year. You did not play like you don't get a star. So, so here, here I am rocking my, my one end star there.

Now, now I just claim I'm like, yeah, no, it's just meant to be end star. It's the Naval Academy logo. It's just a Naval Academy sweater. You know what I mean? The aesthetic is nice. I like it personally. 

John Carter: I even thought of it. I was like, I want to, I kind of want to remove one of my stars to make it look like the end star, um, because people don't really know what it means.

No. Um, but yeah. 

Grant Vermeer: But that's what the purpose of this episode is. Now, now people know that you beat an army. You beat an army, boy. Yeah, that's right. Now, this is, uh, super cool. Um, I really [00:22:00] appreciate you taking the time to, to come and like, explain some of this stuff and share some of these stories. You got any more army, navy stories?

Anything about these sweaters that you, that you want to share? 

John Carter: Nothing, nothing really too deep. I will just say that I don't know if you experienced the same thing, but like I'm telling you, the youngsters will wear the heck out of those sweaters. 

Grant Vermeer: Even when it's not game day, baby, they'll wear that 

John Carter: thing.

They're finally youngsters. They're not pleased. They can try to wear something different. And then I want to say second class year, it might die down a little bit. You probably don't care as much. I don't know. Uh, you're just getting through it. You're finally a second class, probably your class a little harder.

Um, but then first year, you're like, I'm proud to be, you know, a first year. Maybe you're the captain of the team. You're like really proud to be on the team. So you definitely rep it a lot more, but yeah. No, the, the sweaters are really cool. I'm proud to. And fortunate enough to, uh, have competed, um, and earn a [00:23:00] sweater and then stars.

Um, not, not everyone can say that. Um, and so it is really cool 

Grant Vermeer: and I appreciate it. It's a blessing and it's a cool memento to have right of your experience and also in all seriousness, right? Wrapping this up, like having these sweaters is, is really cool, right? It's this, it's a memento, it's a reflection.

It's a token of the fact that like. You, you competed as a division one varsity athlete during your time at the Naval Academy, which is a really tough task because life at the Academy is hard, right? It's extremely hard. You have class all day. You got to go to all these things. You have military training.

School is difficult. And then you have to go and you have to compete. At a division one level, right? So to have this sweater to kind of as a, as a reflection of all the hard work that you put in. And then, you know, some of these things, every time you look at one of these stars, you can look back to, you know, one of these star games that was just a really positive experience and, and moment.

So, um, it's amazing stuff. It's amazing stuff. And. jc thank you so much for Yeah, no, appreciate it for joining, man. I [00:24:00] appreciate you taking the time to, to be here and, uh, you know, if anyone's got any questions about, uh, the sweaters, about the STAR series, anything, make sure to reach out to us. You know, it'd be super fun to, to get to answer any more questions that are out there.

So. Appreciate it. 

John Carter: Appreciate you. Appreciate you listeners. 

Grant Vermeer: Go Navy. Sounds good. Go Navy. Beat Army, baby. Yes, sir. Well, I hope you all enjoyed that episode. I think it was a quick, fun insight into the Star Series and into the letter sweater and just get a little bit of info about that. So now if you're walking around the yard and you see a midshipman wearing one of those letter sweaters, you might be able to give them a little, hey, good luck or whatever the case is because they're likely about to compete.

And some kind of competition. So very fun episode. If you have any questions at all about anything related to the Naval Academy experience or anything that supports midshipmen, future midshipmen and their families, please shoot me an email at grant at academyinsider. com. You can always send me a message to the Academy Insider Facebook page, or just go to www.

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