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Rob Pace with Brendan Gardoll: Chomping Rails, and Skater/Filmer Dynamics (Ep. 243).
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Pro skateboarder for Santa Cruz Skateboards Rob Pace along with close friend and filmer Brendan Gardoll, sit down and watch some of Rob's best clips and talk about them. They also talk about the skater/filmer relationship, overcoming fear, their love of manual tricks, interests outside of skateboarding and much much more.
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Hey, it's Shan here this week I catch up with, professional skateboarder for Santa Cruz Skateboards. He's also been the winner of Slam Magazine Skater of the Year. He's had a Thrasher Magazine cover shot. He's been nominated as a Thrasher Skater of the Year. It's Mr Rob Pace.
Speaker 2We're joined by Rob's close friend, brendan Gardoll, and I'm reluctant to refer to Brendan as just Rob's filmer because he's so much more than that. He's a close friend, he's a motivator, he is a spot finder and, yes, he has been responsible for filming much of Rob's skateboarding over the years. It was so great spending some time with these guys. They're just like the best dudes. I really noticed the depth of their friendship but also their work ethic. They just work hard at what they do and they love it. They have been doing it for a lot of years now, so they've got it sussed.
Speaker 2There's a visual episode this week, so we've done a full video production and I highly recommend you watch it because Brendan shared so much content with me for the episode and we do watch a lot of Rob's clips Some you've seen, some you haven't seen, but either way, rob just talks us through it, like some of the gnarly rails that he's done and you've probably seen he talks us through it, like some of the gnarly rails that he's done, and you've probably seen he talks us through it, so it's super special. This will be my last official episode of the year. Next week I'm releasing an episode uh, called 2024 in review with close friends jim turvey and ty coaling, and we just recap the year. So I suggest you look out for that and I definitely recommend you checking out the terrible happy youtube channel and watching this episode, because there's just bangers and it's good fun. So sit back, relax and get to know mr rob pace and brendan gardoll, everyone Gardall, everyone Cheers. Rob Pace, Brendan Gardall welcome back. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3It's good to get a second chance at it.
Speaker 2Hey, life's all about second chances apparently it's rare. Yeah, how are you feeling today?
Speaker 4Rob. Good, I'm stoked to be here.
Speaker 2Man stoked to have you and look, I am going to tell the back story. This is our second run at it. A few tech issues and just I want to say thank you for, for you know, coming back and, um, not giving up getting it done we've got to get it done, dude is that your philosophy in everything you do?
Speaker 4um, I try to try, try to get everything done.
Speaker 2See how you go, honestly so like, how many times will you go back for a trick?
Speaker 4um, I try to, just I do definitely try to get it done on the on the first, the first session yeah go as hard as you can until your body just doesn't let you do it anymore. But yeah, that sucks having to go back a second or a third time, especially depending on what you're doing too. Sometimes it can be like pretty mentally draining. So try to get it done one time if you can what's the most you've ever gone back for a trick?
Speaker 4oh, jesus, maybe like, probably, like, four times I think what was the? Spot, think yeah.
Speaker 3It has to be. Yeah, I don't know. I think there's been more like not going back for tricks too, like because it's just too gnarly or something. But he's definitely gone back a few.
Speaker 4I don't know I feel, like a lot of the ones, that you go back for a lot of the time, either because you're getting booted out all the time or there's something else at hand as well. You know what I mean? You've been hurt there before or something.
Speaker 2So it's generally beyond your control.
Speaker 4That's just skating. I feel like sometimes, when you skate in certain spots it's just the boot thing. That's the boot that always happens at spots.
Speaker 2Have you ever paid off a security guard? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 4I love those stories that always happens at spots. Have you ever paid off a security guard? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2I love those stories. I want to hear pros paying off security guards.
Speaker 4Just give out free merch.
Speaker 2Really no manuals merch. No manuals merch. I haven't done it yet, but it's a good idea.
Speaker 3Or they leave us alone when we tell them we're filming for Netflix or something like that.
Speaker 2Do you do that?
Speaker 4That's what works good. Everyone knows what Netflix is, so if you're on the session and you want them to leave you alone, you just say we're filming for Netflix. What do they say?
Speaker 3Oh, wow, well, yeah, get their phones out and film it.
Speaker 2Do you ever say I'm a pro for Santa Cruz?
Speaker 4I'll try not to run that one.
Speaker 2Why not I?
Speaker 4don't know, it just feels a bit weird. If someone else says it, then it's maybe different, but I mean, I'm definitely not going to say that.
Speaker 3He rolls around with a Sharpie in his pocket though, just in case, you know, sign an autograph, just sign something. No, I'm kidding.
Speaker 2You must sign some stuff every now and then.
Speaker 4I do sign some stuff. Yeah, we, I do sign some stuff. Yeah, we do the Santa Cruz signings and they're pretty cool.
Speaker 2Yeah yeah, shop signings, yeah Nice.
Speaker 4They normally have pretty big turnouts too, just depending on certain zones that we go to. We went to Japan not so long ago and that was pretty crazy.
Speaker 2Yeah, in terms of what Hype?
Speaker 4Yeah, there's just so many people out there that back the brand. So we went out there and we went to a bunch of shops and skate parks, did some signings and just like really good turnouts.
Speaker 2Yeah, sick, yeah, Like. Out of all the countries you travel to like yeah, do you feel that vibe from Japan? What other countries have that sort of hype around skateboarding and the brand?
Speaker 4Definitely, just like even Santa Cruz itself, like in the city there, we did the 50-year anniversary there and that was crazy. The whole city backed it Like it was really mental Sick dude yeah 50 years. So, man, they've been around for a long time.
Speaker 2It's established right. And I guess, while we're talking about it, as you were coming up, you might have had some offers from other brands, like why did you choose Santa Cruz over other companies?
Speaker 4I feel like Santa cruz, like they just had like really good transparency at the start. They basically just said how it was going to be and I was just super hyped to like see that something that you don't really see very much in the industry. So yeah, when they sort of laid it out on the table like that, I was like man, I'm hyped on this, let's do it.
Speaker 2Yeah, nice. So I also want to know like filming and being filmed for your skateboarding to sort of propel you to these positions within skateboarding? How did you and Brendan meet originally?
Speaker 4We were just kids, just skating. Yeah just skating all the time. I think I met you through Riley yeah.
Speaker 3Riley Walker from Board World photographer legend. He went to school with Rob, so they grew up skating together. And then I met Riley at a local skate park. He'd come down from the coast and then we ended up skating together every weekend for a couple months. And then he's like, hey, I've got a mate, Can he come? Like yeah. And then, yeah, it's from then. I don't know, that was maybe 12 years ago, something like that. Yeah, a long time ago.
Speaker 2What clicks with you, like what works. I don't care who answers it.
Speaker 3Oh man, I don't know, we're just good mates, I, we're just good mates. I mean it's not about filming, like being his filmer, so to speak. That's silly. I mean we're just friends and I'm helping him get where I helped him get where he wanted to be, and I mean that was I do it for that reason, to help my friends, you know. So I guess that, and we both kind of have the same approach in a sense. We both have real world jobs, we're both one foot in, one foot out of skating. We have other stuff that we do, so we sort of get each other in that way and it works, you know.
Speaker 4It's been a pretty good team. He finds all these really cool spots. We have one day in the week and then we just go out and try to get it.
Speaker 2So you've actually discussed that Like look, is it Saturdays, sundays?
Speaker 4It's always Saturdays.
Speaker 2We just skate Saturdays, so what you work, Monday to Friday.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2And then Saturdays it's on.
Speaker 4Yeah, saturday is like the big day normally, and if it rains Saturday we just like it's pretty depressing.
Speaker 2Do a podcast.
Speaker 4Like today yeah exactly. There's nothing else to do, right, even even on the sunday, though like it's rare if we go out skating like both days, because we just like you know you just go do like other life stuff, I think, I guess. But yeah, so saturday is like even monday to friday, we're always like texting each other like all right, this is the plan seven o'clock, then we're going to go here and just see what happens.
Speaker 2See that work ethic. So you're pro for Santa Cruz, right, but are you still working Monday to Friday in a regular job?
Speaker 4I work Monday to Friday. Yeah, I'm doing like 12-hour days minimum Right, working for my family business. Been there for like 12 years or something now.
Speaker 2But yeah, it's a bit of a passion, I love it I was gonna say how much is it for love and how much is it for money. If you don't mind me asking yeah, is it a necessity?
Speaker 4I mean, it's not a necessity now we've like skateboarding, where I'm at with skating, but it's something that I just think I just really enjoy. So I just want to stay, stay there, you know, be there with my dad, and I've been there for so many years now too, so I feel like the company is just like. I just want to be part of it.
Speaker 2I love it. What do you love about it?
Speaker 4We just like we do a lot of like engineering and design, and it's just something that I've always been pretty passionate about outside of skating, building stuff, creating things using your mind, learning new skills. Um, recently, like doing all like computer design stuff. So it's pretty cool to be able to like draw something on a computer and then make it like in real life, you know, and do all the processes to create a piece of metal, basically to whatever you want it to be.
Speaker 3Yeah, so it's cool, love that right man full craftsman vibes yeah, he was uh telling me on a couple of tours I mean all the time probably, he takes his laptop with him and then when he's on the long drives and that he's got it out working right.
Speaker 2Yeah, interesting design and stuff. Is it fair to say that that creativity and that focus is maybe helping your skateboarding?
Speaker 4I think so too. Yeah, I think something that's really good about it is it keeps skating really fresh for me. So like when I go out on the weekends I'm super driven to just go out and just get it, because I'm not just always doing the same thing all the time and like burning myself out.
Speaker 2So it's it's a good thing to have another hobby that sort of takes up, you know, a bit of other time well, it's a bit more than a hobby, because you've had the cover of Thrasher magazine, you've had the cover of Slam magazine and, uh, I don't know, to get those coveted pages, you've kind of taken things to the next level. So we've got your Thrasher cover up and I want to talk about that day. So where's this rail and how did the whole thing come about?
Speaker 4So, man, this rail was in LA but I had originally seen it as an independent ad that was in thrasher by kevin backel. He was doing a 50 on it and I just remember seeing and going. This just looks like one of those rails you could potentially, you know, do like a combo, combo, trick on it and I've just, I don't know, those spots are just like I feel like a gold and uh, ended up figuring it out to you and ended up figuring it out.
Speaker 2To you.
Speaker 4I ended up figuring it out like where it was by Rhino and we just went out there and as soon as I was standing at the top of it, I was like I just knew. I was like I think it's game, like it's game on. Yeah, I'm going to try do anything I can on this little drop down.
Speaker 2So what made you think to go to backsmith on the drop part of it?
Speaker 4I always do like I've done a whole bunch of like over the back rails, like, just like ollieing over the back of it and doing the 50, and then the one that I've always loved to do is backsmith. So doing the drop down while it was directly straight felt like that was the most natural one to do. Nice.
Speaker 2And yeah, yeah. And then there's, like you know, the video. I like it's a sequence shot, but the video is insane because, like, when you land, what happens? Like you snap your tail.
Speaker 4Oh yeah, the snap, the snap, kick, roll away, let's get that video up because it's so sick.
Speaker 2Here it is. I love this. I just love that process. There it is bang so satisfying were you there that day?
Speaker 4nah, nah that's in the states I was at work that was my first snap kick roll away as well, so that was like insane that feeling was crazy, yeah, yeah how many shots did that take, yeah?
Speaker 4man, that was a battle. I took some like heavy ones. Yeah, I was like missing the locking and like hitting the flat my ribs. I think I did that maybe three or four times, yeah, um, and I knew that one of them I was pretty concerned with, like with my rib, because I remember it just hurting so bad, but I was so just so much adrenaline, I wanted it so bad yeah.
Speaker 2Here's another angle of it. Yes, oh, look at that. Just clean break yeah.
Speaker 4Yeah, that was a good day.
Speaker 2And look at the crew. So is that Colin Provost? Who else was there that day? I can't really remember. It's got like Colin.
Speaker 4Provost? Who else was there that day? I can't really remember. It's got like Colin there. It was just a good hype. Shreddy in the back there he's doing like some of the OJ stuff now for NHS. But yeah, good hype, good crew.
Speaker 2Yeah, did you know it was going to be a Thrasher cover? I had no idea that was a complete surprise, so tell us about the day you found out, like did they tell you beforehand or you just found out no came out.
Speaker 4So I was like I was dead asleep and I I got woken up from my phone. I thought my alarm was going off. I kept trying to like turn it off or whatever, and um, finally, I looked at my phone and I just had like a stupid amount of like, instagram notifications, like what the?
Speaker 4hell is this? I looked up like a shop had posted the cover and it just loaded straight onto that and I couldn't even believe my eyes for like a second. Just like springing out of bed and seeing that I was like man, this is crazy. And yeah, I just exploded out of bed and was like basically like running around the house like a psycho and yeah, it was insane. I literally woke my dad up at like five in the morning or whatever the hell it was, and cracked a beer with him and just sat there and just celebration I'm actually curious to find out what the knock-on effect was in terms of and that's a lot of exposure, it's a lot of credibility.
Speaker 2Dude, you had a sponsor already at that time. Were you already writing for santa cruz?
Speaker 4no, I actually had no board brand at that time when I'd done that trick I had no board sponsor, so who were you writing for, though?
Speaker 2who was sponsoring you?
Speaker 4I used to get boards from real. Okay, yeah, so I was getting boards from real for a while and then, um, just sort of was stuck yeah, just getting flow, which was cool, you know, helping me out getting my boards. I went on a few trips here and there, um, and then just like sort of got to this position where I just felt like it wasn't really getting me to the next level. So I ended up choosing to part ways with them and, yeah, I was just sort of I was, yeah, not just writing any shoes or anything.
Speaker 2Were you getting clothes on vulcan then?
Speaker 4I was getting I was I was getting vulcan stuff, I believe. I don't really remember, honestly.
Speaker 3Yeah, I think it was Vulcan and no board sponsor. You went over there on that trip right after you left Real and you painted all your boards black, just like you know.
Speaker 4Just went out there and just yeah, three months of just skating as hard as I could with all my friends, and then I had like a few like random offers, like come up.
Speaker 2So, yeah, did the offers start flowing in? Is what I want to get to.
Speaker 4Yeah, kind of it kind of did, which was cool because it was a big help to be able to, you know, get skateboards and not have to pay for them. They're not cheap things when, especially when you're doing it every day, yeah. So I had like a few little offers coming in, but they were all sort of just similar to just like you know, I had my eyes set on something that was going to be more career driven. So I was looking for something that I knew where that was just going to really project me into that Sick. Yeah, I ended up picking Santa Cruz because they laid it all out in the line and just went for it Rad.
Speaker 2How many years ago was that now? Was it like two years ago Two?
Speaker 4yeah, two years ago. Two and a half. Yeah, two and a half years ago, somewhere around there.
Speaker 2Yeah, I remember the cover coming out. It's like sick Aussie guy. And then I found out from the Central Coast. Oh yeah, seney Coast, go Sene. I thought you were from Sydney.
Speaker 4No way Central.
Speaker 2Coast, central Coast pride 100%.
Speaker 4Yeah right, Tummy umby.
Speaker 2What do you like about it?
Speaker 4I just like that. It's low key. It's not the city, I don't know. It's an hour between Newcastle City and Sydney City, so I got like best of both worlds when it comes to skating, being able to go to both places at just an hour's drive. And then I get to go home and it's yeah, just a lot more laid back sort of like beach town-y type of vibe and some pretty good people around there.
Speaker 2In your opinion, though, to get the right exposure and sort of, I know you skateboard for the love of it, but in terms of getting to some sponsorship levels, do you feel in this day and age that you can stay in small towns and still make it effectively, or do you have to be close to cities and have to be in LA and places like that?
Speaker 4I think now, with the way the social media is, it really allows people to stay in that really wherever they are. The brands I feel like are just wanting good content really and videos and all that stuff. So if you've got a good crew surrounding you that are willing to video you and take photos of you and they all enjoy it and everything's all sick, then I feel like everyone's really got a chance.
Speaker 2Yeah, dude, if they want it.
Speaker 4If they really want it, yeah.
Skateboarding Magazine Covers and Recognition
Speaker 2I don't know I'll be straight. Some of the rails you do. I don't know if I really want it. I don't know if I ever wanted it, like it's insane. But I want to go into, like you've had Slam Covers, which is Australia's you know, premier skateboard magazine and also, I think, the second longest running skateboard magazine in the world. I think it's second after Thrasher, isn't it?
Speaker 4I've never actually heard of that before. It's over 30 years. That's crazy. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2It's the second longest running skateboard magazine and you've had two covers, bro. It's insane. Yeah, you know, and as we can see up on the screen, you and as you can see up on the screen, you've got that crazy kink rail. I mean I need to know, like, how broken did you get on that thing trying it?
Speaker 4The crazy kink one was actually. I kind of got out of that one pretty much unscathed.
Speaker 3You did that easy, even though it was raining.
Speaker 4Where was it? Yeah, that is in.
Speaker 3Granville. It's in a tafe in Granville. Yeah, I found it watching a bmx video.
Speaker 2Yeah so brendan found it. Do you have to fix it like no?
Speaker 3I think, no, I don't even think there were blind bumps at the top of those stairs. Hey, now there would be, but back then, no, I mean that was 2017.
Speaker 4So yeah, yeah I do remember, though, like the, we had to take out some like some of the plants on one side, because it was like the bale zone and if you jumped into those things they were going to like take you out. So I remember, just like four went, just ripped out, you can see kind of see.
Speaker 2They're all flat in there and how's the little wall at the bottom? I mean, was that a hazard, that little?
Speaker 4I don't think that was there a gap?
Speaker 2there's like two meters sorry, okay, no, no, no was there. There was a two meter gap about that. Yeah, okay, because it looks close. I feel like falling.
Speaker 3You could fall into it, but it's hard to see perspective wise yeah, it's about as good as it gets with the triple kink rail really in sydney or in australia. Really, it's just everything was good about it, crazy yeah, and it was wet, it was raining.
Speaker 2It started raining, yeah it's pouring down. So you did in the rain.
Speaker 4I was. Yeah, my board was completely covered in mud and it was soaking wet because I was like bail, my board would go into that garden and it was like so muddy and I actually think I still have the skateboard somewhere I kept it.
Speaker 2I kept the skateboard.
Speaker 4Yeah, because it was your first ever cover yeah, I've kept like a couple of skateboards from just like random things that I've done, just I don't know. Just keep it then why?
Speaker 2not. Did you keep that broken board from the thrasher cover?
Speaker 4I did not, but at the time I didn't know. It was going to be a cover. You know, and I'm overseas and I'm not going to haul around broken skateboards.
Speaker 2Well, when you went to shoot that one, was it like you knew that if you did it you were going to get the cover?
Speaker 4I actually don't know why I held on to it, just because, like I would have, like my car or whatever, and when I have a broken board you normally just throw it in your car and it just ended up being one of those boards that was just in there for a while and then when I got the cover, I was like I've still got that board, and I think also, too, I was like I landed that grind with the most, like the board was completely covered in mud.
Speaker 2So I feel like I was like I think I'm just going to keep this anyway yeah because like yeah, but you didn't know you were going to shoot a cover no because the reason I ask that is like that would be a pretty big motivator to throw yourself down stuff. If you're like, if I do this, I'm going to get a cover shot here. A hundred percent, yeah, but you didn't know.
Speaker 4No, I don't think it really ever really works like that either, though, like you know, you just I feel like you just get there and you kind of know, maybe in the back back of your head, like, oh, maybe it has the potential to be a cover, but I don't think anyone's ever going to be like this is going to be a cover.
Speaker 3I guess that would only really be. It kind of might be like that if you're a guy who has a lot of traction at the moment and you know you're going out with some big photographer, that you know what I mean. You've got interviews coming up and all that, sometimes they do shoot.
Speaker 2You have a hunch, they're, they're going to shoot the cover, but at that time, you know, rob was unknown and all that. So yeah, it was sort of just. It was a homie, cam arkin, who shot that photo and he didn't have any intention mark and shot that.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, it's a pirate. I did not know that. Yeah, he's a gun. Yeah, I love how that guy's I love him wow, I had no idea that's so epic.
Speaker 2How's this only yeah?
Speaker 3there's only one angle of that because it was, uh, two weeks into me getting a hd camera the first time and I hadn't worked out the zoom that well, I was off vx to that. So, um, there's only a still angle because the zoom angle I I ruined it yeah, okay yeah, we couldn't use it, but um came out and it looks good. I hope it's epic.
Speaker 4I didn't remember that part yeah, yeah, they didn't want to use it because it was bad.
Speaker 3I mean, I was like I don't know, just learning.
Speaker 4It's all good, just hungry, got to start somewhere. Sponsored by Nike? Yeah, at that time. Yeah, that was actually for. Is it Cumberland County?
Speaker 3Yeah, they're like. Sydney clip. That was, oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 2Yeah, and the other cover was the gap, rail, yeah, which is pretty sick, and you had just won Slam Skater of the Year.
Speaker 4Yeah, wow, crazy.
Speaker 2Another good feeling.
Speaker 4Oh, one of the best days of my life, 100% Really.
Speaker 2You're regarded as one of the best days of your life. Yeah, that's rad. I can see why.
Speaker 4I mean getting the slam sody yeah it was definitely an accolade that I've, you know, that's all. I'm honored to have it.
Speaker 2Yeah, so that would have been a few years, two or three years ago yeah, wow, yeah was that, this so? And then you got nominated for the thrasher sody, was it the year?
Speaker 4after that was the year after.
Speaker 2Yeah right because, like I'll be straight, when you were nominated for Thrasher Sody, it was on the back of an amazing video part you put out and me and my friends were like, oh, that Rob Pace guy is going to get Thrasher Sody, I guarantee it. We really thought you were going to get it. Obviously, it's a hard thing to just get.
Speaker 4Yeah. But I'm just saying we thought you had it in the bag, bro yeah, I was really honoured to just even be in the line up, so stoked to just be next door everyone you know other people up there and make it almost sorted to the end.
Speaker 2Cheers yeah, I mean, is there something burning inside of you like you still feel like you're gonna give that kind of thing a nudge?
Speaker 4I mean, I never really know. I just want to keep the momentum going as hard as I can and potentially, if I get back in that lineup again, maybe one day I can grab it. Dude sick. See how we go so sick. I love it man.
Skateboarding Success and Growth
Speaker 2But listen, I'm really excited about this episode for a number of reasons, because we have heaps of content to play and watch and I just want to hear you talk about it because it's so epic. But before we do that, we look at this stuff and it's amazing. This is more recent, but if we go back in time, let's look at your first ever street rail, and we've got the footage of that and it is Backside Smith. What sort of memories does that bring back for you when you watch that?
Speaker 4Man, so many I feel like, even just like the crew that we used to like skate with just everything, yeah just losing my mind.
Speaker 3Everyone's just losing their minds.
Speaker 2Who's that Sorry?
Speaker 3That was Riley Walker.
Speaker 2Okay, that was Riley Walker.
Speaker 3That was a good time. I mean that video part that that's from is, I guess rob just skated parks before that, so we would all or kids just got our cars and licenses. So, yeah, we hit the streets for the first time.
Speaker 4It was pretty sick, yeah, that's definitely the first like significant rail I'd like done where I was like. This is my first sort of proper rail that I've skated were you scared that day?
Speaker 4I mean, I used to do this thing where, like I would go and look at it a hundred times and then finally do like maybe a 50 or something, and then as soon as you got the flame lit, you just it doesn't matter, like you just do whatever you feel, like you could just anything. And I just remember, just like Backsmith, right now, right now I'm doing Backsmith.
Speaker 2And you're doing it.
Speaker 4How many shots do you reckon? I don't remember.
Speaker 2Don't you remember I have no idea.
Speaker 4I do remember, though, that landing out past that like the gutter was kind of hard, especially with the backsmith. I was like trying to like lift up. You can see, even when I landed it looks like a pretty well almost like clip it.
Speaker 2Yeah, you do. You can hear the tail just touch it. And I just cruised away like yes, because there's a there's a big difference between doing a park rail and a street rail and there's this like mental barricade that sort of says that a street rail is harder than a park rail. And there's a variety of factors, but you know things like you know, park rails have a perfect run up and a perfect landing and things like that. So what do you think the big difference is?
Speaker 4uh, definitely, just like the, the crustiness of the spot you know, you never know what you're going to get. In a street spot, everything's different. There's nothing. There's no two rails that are the same. So you know, being in the streets is as like, as raw as it gets, and if you can find a decent rail, then skate it and there's so many variables.
Speaker 2Right, because like what if a car came up the street or yeah, exactly, that's definitely all part of it, for sure and do you think there's like a part of like this isn't actually made for skateboarding? You know, that's something. There's something to that. A part of it like this isn't actually made for skateboarding?
Speaker 4A hundred percent.
Speaker 2You know there's something to that as well. It's like this wasn't designed to be skated, whereas a park rail literally is yeah.
Speaker 4I feel like when you're a kid, like coming from the, you know, transitioning from skate park to sort of trying to get it in the street, that's something that's like always in the back of your mind. You know it. You know it makes it a bit more scarier because you're like, oh well, like, has anyone skated this before? You always ask yourself that question because you're like oh, if people have skated it, oh, we're good to skate it. But you know, sometimes you find routes where people have never skated before. So you're like you don't know what you, what you're gonna get it's here right get to a point where everything's been skated and you're.
Speaker 3You can only skate the things that I've been.
Speaker 2You know what I mean like yeah it's kind of where it's at now, so everything spins here it's tricky that that aspect of it and I like and like. That's a significant moment. And then I know I'm jumping back and forth in your life a little bit. But then, uh, brendan has shared some footage of a rail you did in America which I already knew about and is notorious for being one of the like. There's like there's this rail you've done. It's in Maroubra somewhere, did you say.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2But then this rail. We're about to play the video footage. The cardio rail is notoriously known as one of the hardest and gnarliest rails. So you've gone from this little rail in Maroubra to what's regarded as one of the most challenging ones, to what's regarded as one of the most challenging ones. I guess my question to you is like what's driving you aside from sponsorship, like what's driving you to get over that fear, and do you think you've hit the ceiling for what you can do rail-wise?
Speaker 4I feel like, just over the years, like the more I skate in the streets, your confidence just gets you know, your confidence becomes, you just become really confident and I feel like I don't know, like just I don't know where I was going to go.
Speaker 2Well, here's the footage of the cardio, and it just looks hard in every way Like there's a massive tree there that you probably could just run in. You're probably thinking about there. It is which you actually put your hand on the tree, right?
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2Like was that the scariest aspect of it? Like you feel like you're going to fall into the tree.
Speaker 4The tree is like, yeah, perfectly in the bail zone for sure, as soon as you like locked it in and you gained all that speed. If you bail to the right, you're like jumping into the tree. So and like when you're doing a back 50, like you always sort of want to get and lean sort of over into the rail and then you'll be able to like get to the end best feeling can we just?
Speaker 2go back to that jock. We look at uh, that last video with his attempts like so I know there's a backstory here, brendan, do you want to tell it?
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2What happened?
Speaker 3That was in 2016. A bunch of us at the time we just made a VX video and I guess we're all pretty hyped on like SF skating and New York skating. So we're like let's do a trip. We did a sf and new york trip and in the sf part, um yeah, we, we all sort of knew that was there and we're looking at spot maps that we had at the time cardio rail. Let's go, let's just look at it and rob's like I'll try it, you know. And um, he knew who cardio was, but he didn't know that was the cardio rail. Oh, you didn't know who.
Speaker 2He knew who cardio, okay, but he, but he didn't know that was the Cardio rail. Oh, you didn't know who Joe Cardio was. No, he knew who Cardio was, oh, okay.
Speaker 3But he had no idea about the story. He was a famous rail. Yeah, so he's trying this rail and we're all, like you know, no one's back 50. What the hell? Jumped on it a bunch of times, right? And then what happened after that?
Speaker 4Yeah, I was just like I feel like I jumped on it a bunch of times and then I kind of feel like if I knew the significance at the time maybe I would have kept going, but I'm not sure. I think it was sort of like at the end of nearly like the skate day and like we're pushing around the city and all of that, so like we're pretty toast by the time we get to the rail. So next time I came back to SF I knew it was there and I sort of knew a bit more of the backstory of that rail.
Speaker 2Who took you there originally?
Speaker 4Well, originally we all went there, you just went there because you heard about it.
Speaker 2Yeah well.
Speaker 4I feel like Riley Walker sort of knows everything about skateboarding, so he was like this is like we've got to go see it, you know. So we went back out there and I ended up, yeah, just popping on that rail a bunch of times and then ended up getting one to the bottom and got through the kink too, because it it actually was a cover with, is it? Jack fardell?
Speaker 4jack fardell got a thrasher cover on that rail oh yeah yeah and um, I think he touched the tree and I think he might have popped out of the king before, like on the flat yeah and then I went there and I also touched the tree so I was like this is kind of sick. I was like two Aussies like grinding the rail front side and back side and touched the tree. I meant to touch the tree.
Speaker 2Australia shut that rail down. Sorry, John Cardinal, it's ours now. No, it's definitely not. I shouldn't say that, but do you remember the day you learned how to cross lock a 50-50?
Speaker 4I feel like it just came natural.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 4I feel like that's sort of how it does for most people.
Speaker 2It's just the way that you learn it as a kid, if you like doing heels or you like, doing cross lock, because to me I mean I can cross lock, maybe a knee-high round rail at a skate park. But it feels like those that can cross lock really well. Once they've got it, you know, locked in, it's like they can do like. I just see them get better and better, and better. I don't know, it's just an observation.
Speaker 4It's definitely like a, it's definitely just a preference, I think. Preference yeah because, like, there's some people out there that grind super long rails on heels and to me it doesn't really make sense because I've just never had it built in me to land on the rail like that. I've just never done it like that so you're not.
Speaker 2When you're laying onto a rail, you're not actually thinking I've got to cross lock this, you just body's automatically going into that position yeah, and sometimes, like you, would just go for a 50 depending on, like, what you're doing, and you might just land in heels but you're going toe heel or heel toe. I'm trying to think well, you don't toe heel, so your front truck is toe side back truck. No, no, no, on the way around. Yeah, front truck is heel side the truck is like on your heel.
Speaker 4If you're locking in the other way, you've got some major problems going on. Why and if? You survive. It's like the toe side lock, in which happens every now and again. I feel like any skater knows all about it and it's a brief moment of like I could die doing this.
Speaker 2You really could Like. There's a death risk involved, as far as I'm concerned, with some of the stuff you've done. Do you ever think of that?
Speaker 4Try not to think of that. Try to stay as positive as I can when. I'm skating yeah. Start thinking of that stuff. I might end up just staying home, yeah.
Speaker 2You don't feel like the kind of guy who's going to stay home though Got to get out there and get it done. Because I am really curious by you in terms of you know, like, how are you overcoming fear? Like, are you having a conversation with yourself? Like you know, on those times when you're like you've been trying to rail a bunch of times, you've been broken off a few times. This film is there, this cameraman there.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2Like and you just don't feel like going throwing yourself down this one more time, or you feel literally scared. How are you overcoming those moments?
Speaker 4I feel like just over the years, you just, you just like develop, you get better at managing it.
Speaker 4So you you're conscious of it definitely you're conscious of fear, conscious of fear, but you definitely get a lot better at managing how like you're dealing with that fear, and I feel like now, like when I'm skating, I've gotten myself to a point where, at managing how like you're dealing with that fear, and I feel like now, like when I'm skating, I've gotten myself to a point where if I'm like hyped enough up on the spot, I'm, I guess, like you could say, I'm scared, but like kind of not at the same time, try to like trust my, my ability to be able to do it and just, yeah, go for it, and just try not to think about it as much as I can.
Speaker 2What scares you outside of skateboarding?
Speaker 4Oh man, I don't know it's a hard question, lots of things. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of things.
Speaker 2I know what scares me, like a long manual trick. I'm scared of Brendan seeing me do a manual trick.
Speaker 3You should be Very, very fucking scared why.
Speaker 2Is this the right time to announce that I'm on the team for the?
Speaker 3new man, you are Welcome. Yes thank you.
Speaker 2Yeah, I'm actually like I told you. My conditions were like I want first two weeks pay in advance.
Speaker 3We have no money. Sorry, oh, I didn't put that in the clause. Yeah, a hundred bucks.
Speaker 2Give me a little.
Speaker 3Rain on it.
Speaker 2That looks like Ben Curry with a balaclava on.
Speaker 3It's Jared Agnew with a balaclava on. You can have another one, man, thanks.
Speaker 4You know what it doesn. Another one man thanks. You know what it doesn't look like real money, to me, though it is. It is that's 100 move on.
Speaker 2It's actually it's kind of more tangible than cryptocurrency it's worth more, for sure. Well, it's actually not. You can cash out crypto. What am I talking about? Crypto for?
Speaker 3so I got no idea. It's all. I was just seeing some news about it.
Speaker 2The other day. Anyway, um, yeah, man crazy, I love your work. I love your fear overcoming. I'm gonna talk more about that, but I want to go back to your childhood. How would you describe time at home, growing up as a kid? Good memories great memories close relationship with your, with your parents yeah, super close relationship with my parents why? Why do you think it was close?
Speaker 4uh, I mean, I know just like my dad was always out doing like fun activities I guess, and he was always involving the kids all the time.
Speaker 2So what was he into? Did he skate?
Speaker 4he never skated I don't know, I don't think I've ever even seen him stand on a skateboard. That's crazy. Interesting. Yeah, every time I try to get him to do it he's like no way, no way. But he used to be um an australian champion for, uh, jet ski racing. Interesting, yeah, so pretty randomly he's got the mentality of just like hell man yeah, and so was my mom. She was like the women's champion of jet ski racing.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's so random. Yeah, so where do they? What do they race like? Where do they race like just around a course? Well, they used to do like you done it, oh no, but where do they do it like? Where, like on a river, is it around a course?
Speaker 4yeah, they have like, um, they like he used to do like all enduro things they'd put like boys out into the um buoys. Yeah for your american listeners yeah, buoys out into this like the um, the ocean, and then you, they're like sort of, that's like the track, I guess no shit. Yeah, they do like big enduro tracks too, so like some of them could be. Like you know, you're racing out in the ocean from the central coast to sydney. Oh shit, yeah, so so pretty insane.
Speaker 2Yeah, no way. So he's got the hell man mentality. Did he surf as well? Everyone in Central Coast.
Speaker 4He has, like, no board sports skills or like I don't think I've ever seen him throw a football.
Speaker 2I feel like he could be a windsurfer. You know, windsurfers are a whole different breed of human. He's not a windsurfer, no windsurfer.
Speaker 4You give him like a four-wheel drive, a motorbike, anything like motorsports. There you go, motorsports he's pretty good at.
Speaker 2So Kieran Woolley's dad, Mark Woolley, he was an old motocross motorbike legend, yeah right. And then Kieran rips. And then your dad's one of those guys and you rip. Now I want my son to rip, so I need to get into motorsport. Anyway, cool man, that's rad. So when you turn pro, let's get that up. Be honest, there he is. What's his name?
Speaker 4Livio.
Speaker 2Livio yeah.
Speaker 4Rad. Honest, there he is. What's his, what's his name? Livio, livio, yeah, brad yeah, did he cry?
Speaker 3he didn't cry, but he was very stoked, super stoked. Yeah, your dad cry at all? I don't know he's a hard man, I don't think he does so really he's a hard man.
Speaker 2Does he like brendan?
Speaker 3probably not, I don't know I've only ever had friendly altercations with him. I I'm sure he does.
Speaker 4He likes everyone he's super easy going, dude, he's a good man.
Speaker 2With a name like Livio. Do you mind if I ask, is there a background there? Yeah, he's Italian.
Speaker 4Family's Italian. Yeah, born and raised no Born in Australia, but yeah, he's always over there.
Speaker 2So your grandparents are Italian? Yeah, but yeah, he's always over there. So your grandparents are Italian? Yeah, are Italian Cool.
Speaker 4Italian. Yeah, which part do you know? Sicily, Right. Yeah, dude, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2Right, nice, you been over.
Speaker 4I've never been over Wild.
Speaker 2I know.
Speaker 4I say I talk about that all the time because we still have like family there. Okay, yeah, so I talk to them every now and then. Well, I've talked to them maybe twice like on, like FaceTime. Okay, is that it? That's it.
Speaker 2Fair enough.
Speaker 4But it's, like you know, my grandparent, like my grandmother's, like super close with them, so they're always staying pretty connected. So every time I'm like I got to get there and just like meet them and see like their farm.
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Speaker 2They got like a whole bunch of stuff over there. So it's pretty cool, yeah, I guess, when you're living your life too, you're living your life, you're doing your thing, they're doing their thing. It's pretty tricky, I guess. Tell us about the day you turned pro for santa cruz pretty wild one.
Speaker 4Um, did they do a pro party? No, it was a bit different, I guess, are we? Um, I was staying in oceanside and I was just skating with some friends out there and I was going on a trip and I had to get out to, uh, santa cruz to get in the van to go on the trip or whatever. So I woke up, I was actually meant to be meeting eric winkowski. He was supposed to be picking me up to drive me, but then he ended up getting sick. So I ended up, like last minute, like the night before they got me a flight, I uh ended up going into LAX, flying there and then, um yeah, like went into NHS and boom, got the surprise.
Speaker 4Pretty insane and what else happened then, oh, nick, the guy that the, the guy that I was staying with at the time. He had woken up at like some crazy hour, like three in the morning or something, telling me he had like an early day of work. But he ended up driving from oceanside to san s, to Santa Cruz and picked up like two of my homies on the way. Didn't surprise me like before I got there on the plane. It's crazy, so it's pretty sick that's exciting, man.
Speaker 2Well, congratulations, and like. Since then, how many like models have they brought out? How many different graphics have you guys had?
Speaker 4I think there's something like close to five different graphics, maybe four or five different graphics, but then like different colorways of the graphics. So there's a few.
Speaker 2How much of a say were you having into the actual graphics?
Speaker 4Quite a like, pretty much all the same really. Like you get to pick, like artists, which is cool, and then you get to like, um, you know, design certain aspects of what the graphic's going to be, and then you know the artist will come back with, like you trying to bring your idea to life and yeah, it just sort of goes from there. It's pretty cool, so sick yeah oh man, it's good, congratulations.
Speaker 2You know, and you know, like I said, I was talking to my friend, ty coaling, uh, the other night and uh, him and jim turvey, who's a friend of mine, who's also an article writer for slam, and we recorded a like a 2024 year in review of the podcast, and we're just sort of talking about you in terms of, like, this awesome combination of like some some ability, natural ability, coupled with strong work ethic. And I was telling him the story about how, when we recorded the, the lost podcast that, you got up, you know, 6 am from the central coast and then, you know, headed into king's cross for the morning, fixed the spot, got a trick, came to the podcast, then drive back to central coast, like it's quite admirable and, I think, very well deserved.
Speaker 4So cheers to you. I appreciate it, thank you.
Speaker 2Nice, let's get up your curved rail, which was from the Thrasher video. Fuck them. Is that right, this rail? We had some debate the other night about the length of this rail. We reckon it. I said it's about 50 meters. Everyone's like no, it's about 50 meters. Everyone's like no, it's not 50 meters. Did you measure it while you?
Speaker 4were there. I didn't measure it, but it's for sure close to like 40 meters. 40 meters, it's got to be somewhere around there, for sure, when you've got the curve.
Speaker 2Here it is. Look at that mate locked in. Oh my God. Yeah. So why did you?
Speaker 4choose a smith on that rail and not a crosslock 50, 50 um. At the time when I was like, for what I was filming for I really wanted like a maxed out smith grind. That was sort of like a something I was looking for and getting to that rail I thought, well, here it is I mean, if I can do Smith on this, this is going to be probably one of the biggest Smith grinds I'll probably ever do.
Speaker 4So, I actually ended up doing the 50 on it and then ran back up there and was like all right.
Speaker 2So you did the 50, and then how many shots did it take you to get the 50-50?
Speaker 4I did the 50 probably. Oh, pretty quickly.
Speaker 2I did it like within like 10 minutes so you got a feel for the length and the speed. Yeah, and then how long did the smith grind take?
Speaker 4the smith grind took like a fair. While I was battling with um, like when I was going around the curve and all the speed my wheels kept hitting the the legs and it was like bouncing my board around yeah so that was definitely part of that battle, which was quite frustrating, but it ended up. I ended up getting it. But you can hear like my board like bouncing off the legs, on those on those upright legs yeah I'm just going to put this out there too.
Speaker 2I mean, is it one of the longest smith grinds ever done on a right on a rail? Can you think of any other ones that are longer?
Speaker 4I'm not sure.
Speaker 3No, I wouldn't give him that, you know. Don't give me that time, then he won't go and try and find a better one, and there's no fun in it for me.
Speaker 2Is this like the motivation that Brendan brings to you Every?
Speaker 3time. Yeah, that's all right, it's good, just keep putting him down. So then he tries harder. I'm going to do better, you know, really yeah.
Speaker 2So when he's like getting broken off on a rail and you're filming it like yeah, he's not sitting there going.
Speaker 4You got this.
Speaker 3He's like Dude, I could, I'm like dude, I could probably do this. You know shit like what I wish I could do.
Speaker 4I mean, he's a goofy skater and I enjoyed rail skating growing up, so it's like pushing what I wish. He's always talking on the station, that is for sure.
Speaker 2Skating's really easy, man get up I'm gonna ask you, brendan, like what about those days when rob's trying something over and over and you're trying to film it? He's not getting close? Does frustration set in with you?
Speaker 3uh, not exactly. I mean, when I was younger I was young and super didn't care. You know I had all the time in the world. But he's he's. He's growing up with me. We've gotten older and he kind of approaches it differently, more maturely now. If he's trying something for too long, he knows it's probably not going to happen. You know it's like if he's getting broke off, do it another day. You know what mean. So I don't really get that anymore.
Speaker 3I never really did, to be honest yeah because we sort of Patience We've got to progress together.
Speaker 2In that sort of sense, yeah, yeah, I know like sometimes when I've filmed friends do things and if they've battled it and I've stayed with them and committed to it with them and I actually feel like I'm in it with them when they land it, I get a real sense of the same satisfaction. Oh, for sure you get that as well.
Speaker 3Yeah, it's like half the motivation to keep doing it. Yeah, you get stoked on it. Yeah, I guess sort of where I might get over it is if it's someone I don't even know and then I'm stuck there filming it. You know what I mean it's like yeah, I'm gonna help my mate out you know, yeah, don't have time for that at the moment. Yeah, because after this.
Speaker 2I was just gonna ask you, would you do you mind coming to glee with me. I just want to try and switch manual. The um, the I've got to go, I've got to go, dude they actually they actually um, they knob the spot dude.
Speaker 4There's blind bumps and it's all been capped.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, at the skate park. Yeah, unfortunately He'll run that.
Speaker 4That's a. That's a true story.
Speaker 3For sure.
Speaker 4If I want to go to a spot and he hates the spot. There's been times when he's like you can't it got knobbed.
Speaker 3There's like yeah, why not? There's no way. I don't know being there too many times, you'll just tell it. I'll just tell him it's not there anymore or something.
Speaker 2You believe him.
Speaker 4Well, I don't know where anything is.
Speaker 3If he doesn't give you the location then we're just not going. It works in my favor. He lives up there. I know where it all is.
Speaker 2But serious question you know when you're filming a part, you know you don't want it to be all rails, right, I do yeah. You do.
Speaker 4If it was up to me, you want some diversity in your part. If it was up to me, I would only do 50-50 grinds.
Speaker 3If it was up to me, I would only film 50-50 grinds.
Speaker 2Really. You're not backsmiths.
Speaker 4No, we do, we do.
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Speaker 2Obviously you do want to have some diversity, you want to line it, you want some ledge tricks in there, come on. But my serious question is like what happens when Rob actually wants to film a manual trick, like, do you just go get someone else to?
Speaker 4do it, I'm just not sure if I'd put him through that. I wouldn't want to do it. That's a good mate right there. You wouldn't do it. You wouldn't, my guy. What if santa cruz said you're off the team and they should get some manual stuff.
Speaker 3I don't think anyone wants to see me do manuals. Nobody wants to see manuals full stop realistically or or film them. Be real. There's no fucking punishment.
Speaker 4There's no filmer in the world that enjoys filming manuals. But you can definitely be stoked on the tricks for your friends, but man yeah what if I promised you I could get it in three to a hundred shots?
Speaker 3uh, no, no chance, I'm good, a hundred tries unless you're paying me, which isn't gonna happen because you know filmers barely get paid.
Speaker 2I have heard a story. Down in willingong my friend sam giles was filming with someone yeah and filming a very hard manual trick, and then, uh, hard manual trick, and then, uh, it got the trick, but homie forgot to press play true story wow yeah, like the last podcast we did here jock, you can take that one the typical ones.
Speaker 4The reverse film do you want to do? When you like, start pressing the button, but you're doing it the opposite way around yeah, well, you do that, already had it on record.
Speaker 2Yeah, and you're recording all this like shit and then you go to hit record but then you're turning it off yeah, the reverse record do you ever film? Do you ever film your mates like, or you're just like?
Speaker 4yeah, I mean I get the phone out and do the whole instagram thing, yeah that for you mates, yeah, 100 okay, it's all the same mentality too, like sometimes you get stuck filming an Instagram thing for an hour. Yeah, you know, but whatever, that's just skating, you just get soaked.
Speaker 2Yeah, and this is a theme that's come up a lot over the years, especially talking to skateboarders, and I'm serious now in terms of the resilience that it builds and the mentality of just like never giving up and fall down, get back up again, fall down, get back up again, fall down, get back up again. It translates into every aspect of life.
Speaker 4Yeah, skating is very challenging Physically, so definitely that will ingrain in you when you stay with skating. That is the mentality it's just so hard, skating is so hard.
Speaker 2And mentally, you just said it, and the mentality, I think mentally probably harder than physically. What do you reckon?
Speaker 4For sure, for sure, and the mental like meant, I think, mentally, probably harder than physically. What do you? What do you reckon for sure, for sure, like there's? It's when you first pick up a skateboard for the first time and you can barely push on it, you can't turn on it, and then you see people do all these tricks and you there's no way you can do any of those tricks. It's going to take you years and years before you can do like a. You know all the, all the basics, at least on a skateboard.
Speaker 2It's so challenging yeah, man, it's dedication for little to no money for most people. Yeah, it's pure passion, yeah. And then and then everyone else involved in it, and the friends encouraging and hanging, and the filmers and the photographers yeah, it's pure passion, and I think that's what me personally just keeps me coming back all these years later. It's got to be, it's got to, and I think that's what me personally just keeps me coming back all these years later.
Speaker 3It's got to be. It's got to be for passion. If you're filming skating trying to make money, you're an idiot. You can't make any.
Speaker 2Has there been moments, though, when you've made money as a filmer?
Speaker 3I mean, yeah, but not much, to be honest, like not enough to really be like I made money.
Speaker 2If it happens, it's like a nice little bonus.
Speaker 3It's just a bit of side money, yeah and it's nice and I'm grateful that I can fill my mate and do that. You know which is awesome? Yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's just a great way to live too. How inspiring dude. I love it. Anyway, let's get the next clip up because, like I said, this one was the triple gap. Rail Again blew a lot of minds. This, rob A lot of minds.
Speaker 4Yeah, sick one. I'm stoked on that one.
Speaker 2I still get stoked on it. I mean, when that came out, how much love did you get from the community?
Speaker 4It was a lot. Yeah, people were really stoked on it, which is you know, when that came out, how much love did you get from the community? It was a lot. Yeah, People were really stoked on it, which is, you know it's good, yeah, yeah, and that was. I was really hyped that day when we landed that.
Speaker 2That was another, like one of those moments where I was like this could be one of the best days of my life and Was it up there.
Speaker 4Oh, 100%. Do you regard it as the best ride you've ever done? Um kind of yeah, yeah? For me, like it's just the whole story of just you know, getting the boot from the spot a whole bunch of times and just like conquering it.
Speaker 2Finally, in the end, it's just all built like, all built towards you know the celebration at the end so I know thrasher did a my war on it and it really does tell the story of that trick. But do you want, do you mind, just going over it with us, a little bit like who was booting you out? I know there was a quite a strict timeline and deadline to get it done so where was it, where were you?
Speaker 4so we're in new york and we're only there for like a couple days and we were there specifically really to try and get that rail, like to get it done. So we ended up going out there for one of the first times, found it, checked it out, we're like, man, this thing is a go, like we're ready to do it, this is perfect, like it can be done. And I just started skating it and it was sort of at the end of the day and then ended up just leaving because I was all tired and whatever. So we came back the next day and then, yeah, some lady across, like at the swimming pools there was just losing her mind. Like there was no reasoning with her at all, like absolutely losing her mind. We like pretty much tried to play every card possible and she was just not having it at all.
Speaker 2So was it right out the front of the swimming pool.
Speaker 4It was like a good 200 meters away, except it was like on this huge long like walkway that was leading directly to the swimming pool, so you could clearly see us there. But yeah, she just was so passionate about being a security guard that day, I believe, like power tripping. It seemed a little bit like that. It's like she was just really following the rules. I guess there's just no skateboarding here. There's no skateboarding.
Speaker 2What's your approach to security guards and people kicking you out of spots? Like you're just nice to them, play it cool, or do you ever get like?
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Speaker 4I just sort of play it by the way that they're doing. If they come up more nice to us and I understand it's their job, you know, whatever we'll, leave if they come over and they're like saying unreasonable stuff, then I'll probably say a few unreasonable things too. Fair enough, but yeah, you know, we're just trying to have some fun and whatever.
Speaker 2And you have bribed security guys with product.
Speaker 4Yeah, I mean some give them a couple.
Speaker 2You heard it here first.
Speaker 4No manual stickers, dude, you give them no manual stickers. Yeah, it's a history sticker, Do you just?
Speaker 2like slip them a little hungy and just yeah, yeah, what do they say? They say they say sorry, sorry, sir there. So, brendan, you won't put that balaclava on. Is that your balaclava in the photo?
Speaker 3no, that's Jared's. There's been. We made like I didn't make. They made like 10 of them, the entities of no males, and I'm sending them to people.
Speaker 2So that's Jared the board of no Manuals and I sent them to people. So that's Jared.
Speaker 3The board of directors got them made. Yeah, the.
Speaker 2CEO the you know CFO, Whatever.
Speaker 3Yeah, you know you work in corporate, don't you? You know all the titles.
Speaker 2Yeah, we're corporate here. Yeah, we are.
Speaker 3No Manuals is also corporate.
Speaker 2We should do a merger. I don't know what we'll do, but yeah, we'll do something. I think we should start a coaching. You know how skate coaching is on trend right now, is it? We can just coach kids how to not manual.
Speaker 3How to not suck, yeah, how to not waste your time.
Speaker 4Progression in skating is going to be insane.
Speaker 2I just love how Rob's on board with it. For sure it's his idea.
Speaker 4I'll just 50-50. They're just all going to be doing cross-lock 50s.
Speaker 2You could literally put on like a clinic on cross-locking, couldn't you? You don't even know you're doing it, you're just doing it. That's what's so funny.
Speaker 3Imagine how many good skate videos would come out with just no bullshit. You know, rails, rails, rails.
Speaker 2I don't know. I like diversity.
Speaker 3I do too.
Speaker 2Have you seen? Yeah, like you do, like diversity, yeah, yeah yeah, just no mates. Speaking of diversity, I want to talk a little bit about. This is kind of timely. Like Thrasher Soti, everyone's putting out their best parts at the moment their best video parts any predictions. Based on what you've seen so far, I'm going for jamie foy. I think everyone's going for jamie foy. What do you think, brendan?
Speaker 3yeah, yeah, dude, I barely watch skating these days so I couldn't tell you, but probably I watched that new man's video, and probably jamie foy, and then, for australia, probably rome, yeah, obviously yeah, oh, for sure.
Speaker 2But did you watch jam Foy's part and just think like I want to do some of those rails? Oh where are? Those. Where is that rail?
Speaker 4yeah, a lot of that going on oh it's just yeah so stoked to see all those rails to sort of get done, because it's just like feel like he's sort of doing the same shit that I want to do. That's what I thought when I watched it, yeah just traveling the world trying to find the most unique rails that make no sense and sometimes you just think, like coming from like a person that's always you know building stuff.
Speaker 4Sometimes I like look at these rails and I'm like, why? Why did they build it like this? And like the person that built it. This must have been so hard to build it this way. Just things that make no sense have all these drops in them and these turns down like a basic set of stairs. I'm like, who designed this?
Speaker 4they might have subliminally were like rob could 50, 50 backsmith this I feel like in europe, though, with all the old architecture, you find a whole bunch of that stuff, so it's really cool I'm gonna make a prediction, because obviously jamie foy's part is phenomenal, it's exceptional, it's on another level, but it is quite, you know, handrail heavy.
Speaker 2But then did you see deeds's part that came out I don't think I've watched the new one.
Speaker 2Yeah, his latest one he's put out, obviously, a part yeah, be in SOTY contention and it's so raw and it's not rails and stuff, but it's very. You know, he skates a lot of unique stuff and a lot of his tricks are done like landing on like gnarly, like cobblestones, so he's skating like big soft wheels so he can roll away and stuff like that. And I'm just going to say it on record that, yeah, jamie Foy is probably the obvious pick. But I just feel like you know that thing that happened to Nigel a few years ago when Nigel put out this amazing part and then Tyshawn won it and it was just Tyshawn was amazing as well, but completely different style of skating. He wasn't really doing big handrails and gaps and stuff I've kind of like. This year I feel like I just personally feel like Deeds could just take it out because of the uniqueness of his part.
Speaker 4I mean that could be really cool. He's definitely good at skating those crusty weird spots, and his video parts he normally brings out are just insane.
Speaker 2They're so good, aren't they?
Speaker 4I very enjoy every second I saw that part it was good.
Speaker 2You've seen it.
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Speaker 3Yeah, I reckon he probably has a good chance. He's very on brand for how skating is at the moment. I guess he's probably the fan for every chance.
Speaker 2Honestly, we need to put an offer in for him. Get him on the no Manuals team. No chance.
Speaker 4Oh, I know we need him on the no Manuals team, do we? And John Dillo too?
Speaker 3stuff. Yeah, yeah, does john know he's on.
Speaker 4Yeah, he asked and I put him on because it's funny that he does manuals. He really asked. I think he might be joking no shit yeah I'm on, I'm on, I'm definitely.
Speaker 3We'll talk after this like I haven't shown you any of my skating exactly if you scroll through my instagram I don't use a few things on there like I'll download it again.
Speaker 4He's actually probably my favorite uh manual skater though who john dealer? Yeah, because he does. He does it like on a level that no one else is doing.
Speaker 3I can't tell if he's taking the pizza for sure I mean, we'll talk after this as well, mate, all right 100.
Speaker 4He does it on like a level that's like so different to everyone else does he? Oh, he's like. Either he's either flying down a 10-stair rail or a 10-stair nose manual or whatever. Like flying down a 10-stair or doing something crazy. Condolences to his filmers but he is good.
Speaker 2Maybe he's just got filmers that are actually dedicated and committed to what they do, or maybe he just does his stuff quickly, unlike most people who try to film manual tricks no, seriously like, can you like, could you do like a kickflip manual on like a little curb high, I think, as far as my manual skating goes, it goes like you know manual nose manual, kickflip nose manual, kickflip manual and then that's okay, that's. Would you ever play me in a game of manual skate?
Speaker 4yeah, I'll version. I'm saying do you film it?
Speaker 3what a fucking chance I'm busy that day, bro.
Speaker 2I've got a podcast I'm gonna start up a youtube channel called manual wars hasn't that been done by that big dude?
Speaker 3oh did he I was, uh, no, it wasn't. That was more like he used to just review manuals and you know what?
Speaker 2200 bucks? He's the first hundred in advance. I'll give you the other hundred if you win dude, he's got stacks of those.
Speaker 4I'm ready. I'm ready for this 100 okay, what's your switch game?
Speaker 2like just asking for a mate don't know.
Speaker 4Okay, I haven't really tried too many switch manuals before. What about?
Speaker 2switch 50, 50s on rails. Like I'm serious now, like what is your switch game like in terms of that kind of stuff?
Speaker 4um it's not amazing, definitely not amazing, but I can do like switch 50s and board slides like the basics do you think that's in terms of your progression?
Speaker 2like where do you see your progression going though?
Speaker 4because in some ways I mean you've, you've gone next level on so much stuff like where to honestly, like I, all the enjoyment out of skating that I get is just finding unique, random rails and just grinding them. So for me I don't really know where the progression goes further, but maybe just trying, like know, doing different tricks on those rails and trying to be a bit more creative, and I've been trying to like sort of bring snowboard mentality into skating, with all the trends, like you know, transitioning from rail to rail or just something like that you know.
Speaker 2Interesting bro.
Speaker 4I've always loved watching like snowboarding videos and seeing like some of the shit that they do. Is you just like man? Imagine being able to do that on skateboard.
Speaker 2That would be see. That's a unique perspective. I've never heard that it's been talking about the street snowboarding dudes, where they where they fix up spots with a little kicker and yeah, and then, like they'll hit like kink rails.
Speaker 4That'll be like a 20ink rail, two of them going down and they'll do like a bunch of kinks and then like go over to the other one.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 4Start doing that and then all either come back and go back onto the other one. You know, yeah, they're always doing the transitions.
Speaker 2Yeah, which I love, and it's funny. People put shit on them because they're strapped in, but no one's laughing when they have to try and bail on something like that and they're strapped in. It's like a whole other slam right. There's nowhere to go.
Speaker 4Yeah, I do a bit of snowboarding in the winter seasons and I feel like if you try something and you're like locked in and something goes wrong, it's just body on the floor. Basically you get so smoked, yeah, you can't just run out of it. You can't do the thing where you play around and like kick your board out and be like, oh, it's full commitment.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, your scorpion is like this. It's just prone to scorpion.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2You know the old scorpion on a snowboard. Yeah, shit's nasty.
Speaker 4The worst one's the taco.
Speaker 2The taco when you go to the rail and you ended up in the middle of like your stomach and you just like taco the whole rail. Oh yeah, it's a classic one, have you like? Have you been sacked? I mean, how many times have you been sacked on a rail? Could you count countless times?
Speaker 4so many times. Yeah, I normally like make a bit of a joke about it, like all the time every time I get to a rail back oh, just get the one sack out of the way and we're good to go. You know, just like. Whatever it's, it happens all the time yeah, I know, do you?
Speaker 4are you at the point where you like you know when a sacking's about to happen, like yeah, you get jolly like okay, yeah, fuck yeah, you get dunk, you get good at like the bail almost where, like you know, it's about to happen. But those brief milliseconds of your reaction is everything.
Speaker 2Is it just hands between the legs? Yeah, trying to get to the side, so just like center. Just avoid testicles at all costs. Exactly, yeah, it's normally the inner thigh, that's hurting after those. But yeah, you get away with it, I guess, when you're doing manuals, though, you don't have to worry about that, and that's why my career is sustained so long yeah because I just do manuals yeah no career, you're a podcaster I hate that anyway.
Speaker 2Yeah, I guess I gotta own it. Damn it now. Listen, man, I want to go and, um, let's have a look at the. Well, firstly that. Firstly that stuff we just played, like the big curved Smith grind and the triple gap 50-50, that was all in your video part for Santa Cruz, fuck them.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2Is that the most proud you've been of a video part? Yeah, for sure Is that your pinnacle of your video part so far.
Speaker 4I think so, yeah for sure, cool yeah, congratulations. Yeah, I got some really good opportunities whilst filming that, and one of those was basically brands taking me to all sorts of places where I wanted to go skate and got to film and put it all into one video, so that's really cool.
Speaker 2Dude, it's rad man, Rad part. Go and check it out if you can. If you're listening to this or watching this, it's a good video part and there was a big after party for the video part. Do you remember that?
Speaker 4Yeah, oh, what's this? What's going on here? Yeah, the premiere. Yes, I got the arm cast on. I got the monitor there.
Speaker 2So you got an arm cast on. So what happened? Half cab crook on this tiny little box at a skate park took me out. Stop it, because I've just been like doing them, relearning them.
Speaker 4Yeah, I did the typical miss the truck, slip out, put the arm down. Yeah, and the thing that sucked about it the skate park. Every now and again, the city council will go there and they will put any graffiti like sealant on all the concrete, thinking that this is a good way of stopping graffiti, where we all know the graffiti is just going to come back the next week. It's just going to make cleaning it easier, yeah, but the problem that it creates is the skate park becomes extremely slippery. So, yeah, half cab crook slipped out. My foot didn't even grab like on the concrete, it just slipped, because it's just like this so you've gone to go to to your nose like crooked grind and you've gone that way.
Speaker 2Yeah, just hand out.
Speaker 4Yeah, just snap your arm no, it just made a weird little feeling and it was it. It was hurting, for sure, and I couldn't straighten my arm but, I was not concerned at all. I was like, oh, this would be good, like I've just done something weird, like a couple of days I'll bounce back Next day. I woke up and I was like, oh, this is like pretty weird feeling. I should probably go get it just checked or whatever.
Speaker 2Didn't need an operation or anything like that.
Speaker 4Yeah, it's my first operation. You did have to get an operation.
Speaker 2Yeah, two screws in the end of my elbow, like broke off the end of like, basically my elbow don't you reckon it's just ironic, like all the crazy shit you do and like that's the thing that got you in the hospital bed?
Speaker 4I think that's just how it works. It's always the one where you don't you least expect it, yeah it's gonna take you down yeah, yeah, kind of like girlfriends yeah, 100 percent. No, the half cap acrylic. So I actually don't think I've gone back.
Speaker 2I'm just like I'm trying to say anything to get a reaction out of me.
Speaker 3Yeah, I don't want you to cry today, shan you're gonna cry no, I don't want you to man, oh, listen I've already cried twice this week.
Speaker 2I cried tears of joy actually this week. True story how come? Because I thought I had cancer. True story uh, had really gnarly skin cancer and it went deep and I had to have a surgery to get it cut out and they had to send the skin to pathology to find out if it had spread to my lymph nodes. And then I found out that it didn't, and so I'm okay.
Speaker 4Fuck yeah, I'm hyped for you. Hell yeah, it's been very weird.
Speaker 2Fuck yeah, I'm hyped for you. Oh yeah, it's been very weird Like that, coupled with the lost episode. You know, I just had a really weird couple of weeks.
Speaker 3Were you dealing with this when we had the last podcast too? Yeah, wow, yeah it's the last podcast. You were in the unknown yeah, I was about to go to surgery.
Speaker 2We did the podcast on a Saturday. I went to surgery on a Tuesday, so that was in the back of my mind.
Speaker 4It was just a really strange time. Well, I'm stoked. You're all good man. Thank you yeah thanks.
Speaker 2So get a bit serious. I am looking for sympathy anywhere I can get it.
Speaker 3As usual.
Speaker 2What are you laughing at, Jock you keep getting me man. Jock you know, what are you laughing at? You're shooting him at me.
Speaker 3I'm shooting him at you.
Speaker 2This guy like you know, had cancer, and then Jock loses the episode.
Speaker 3Oh no. No, I'm not. No, I'm very happy that he didn't, he didn't lose it.
Speaker 2I don't want to sorry, I'm not throwing him under. He did that on purpose. It wasn't his fault. It wasn't his fault. It was no one's fault. I made a lot of money trying to find it, did you? Yeah, see, this is why I like it.
Speaker 3No, you owe him.
Speaker 2He cares, we cared yeah good mate.
Speaker 3Thanks Jock. Fuck yeah, jock.
Speaker 2Anyway, so the big party afterwards. Broken arm still got on the beers.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah, that was a good time, good time.
Speaker 2Yes, sir.
Speaker 4Good little turnout and Monster Energy team was just randomly in town.
Speaker 2Party time man, these dogs chasing flies or something under the table.
Speaker 4Stop farting, he's all right. How do you know? How do you know?
Speaker 2Yeah, it's good times on the van, so that was in. What did you say Oceanside?
Speaker 4That that's in Sydney. Oh, that's in Sydney. Okay, yeah, that was the Sydney premiere for the-.
Speaker 2Young Henry, young Henry, oh, did Young Henry sponsor it? Yeah, it was in Young henry's oh nice oscar was oscar mcmahon there no, none of them were.
Speaker 4None of them were really there because they had another event that they were doing and they kind of just yeah, let us sort of do it all, which was really cool well, tell us about your affiliation with a brand like young henry's um you're an ambassador? Yeah, yeah, yeah, just support the brand, they support me and go. We went on a couple of like trips around and they're always like sort of doing things with Volcom as well, so, and just the whole crew, like they're all just really cool people, yeah.
Speaker 2How did you get on Volcom?
Speaker 4After actually not after just before they like announced the Australian SOTY thing. I guess, like Shane Azar wanted to put me on, so he put me on and then the SOTY thing came out and I won the Australian SOTY and then yeah, just all sort of went from there.
Speaker 3Shane knew it too. Like the week before, when we all knew he was going to get it, shane was like hey, brandon man, can you send me some footage that we're going to put him on?
Speaker 2Oh four when we all knew he was going to get it. She was like, hey, brandon man, can you send me some footage?
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Speaker 3so we're going to put him on oh, yeah, yeah, and so and you kept it secret, of course we got. So you knew, yeah, me and me and riley sort of planned that whole day. We went skating that morning. You know spots around the area where they're going to surprise him, and then we taking him to, I was like I got this spot that he didn't know it's down here, what are we? It was raining, yeah, walking for like 45 minutes. He's like dude, where the fuck are we going? And then everyone's there.
Speaker 4You know you get the classic crazy actually on that day I was um, I was told that we're shooting photos for vulcan, so we went to all these spots and, like I, did a bunch of stuff that day and then right at the end of the day, that's when the whole surprise happened. You got like four tricks that morning because he was hyped and, like I, did a bunch of stuff that day and then right at the end of the day.
Speaker 3That's when the whole surprise happened. You got like four tricks that morning because he was hyped on shooting the Vulcan and then little did he know that.
Speaker 2What a rad day. That was good. Jeff's a few beers afterwards.
Speaker 4Oh yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2Good night. I even had a couple.
Speaker 4He doesn't drink and he had a couple you don't drink either.
Speaker 3I don't drink either.
Speaker 2I don't drink either.
Speaker 3Oh, hell yeah Right, we can be friends Well we can talk about that. Yeah, after the podcast, I've got to have I've got to discuss my fucking contract for now man, I've got some words to have with you. The first thing I've got bills to pay.
Speaker 4I've got kids. The first time I actually seen him drink was out of the trophy of the S.
Speaker 2So that's pretty sweet, see, that's, that's special right there the homie. Yeah, you guys are rad man. It's such a good dynamic.
Speaker 4Well, he won an award as well. I ended up, did you? After that? Yeah, I went and bought him an award. That was us Filmer of the year. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3I wish I'd sent you a photo I had a photo of that one. It was a A image, it was a mojo, yours was like this tall and it had a goat on top of it.
Speaker 2Yeah, I reckon there should be like a fokey yeah. Because like well, we were talking about earlier when we were getting set up and Jock was saying how you know, like you see those Red Bull, like cameramen, jumping out of planes with those skydivers? We don't see them. Someone's filming it. That's right yeah. And then like same, with you, like you know, down bending down on one knee, pointing a camera my back's fucked.
Speaker 3Is it really? Yeah, yeah, no shit, yeah you think from filming?
Speaker 2yeah, that and just being a lazy person, yeah and, like we've got an image up there, I just think it's such a great photo, obviously, that all you're doing over that rail is gnarly, but it just sort of got brendan in the wild there as well, like a sort of a rare perspective.
Speaker 4So yeah, yeah, sometimes, uh, filming a line with me can be super punishing for him, because he's just like down fish eye angle for hours that's why I make him just do singles, just skate a rail or something, or you know, so it's just easy I can just sit on my ass and because when you're filming a line, like you know, you're definitely trying to get the low angle with the fish oh, for sure you're in that half.
Speaker 2It's like this weird half bent over, so your legs are half bent, your back's half bent. It just gets really tired yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3I think the what, what's wrecked over time is my lower back and the, the leg that holds all your weight.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, fight.
Speaker 3Yeah, Like the knee right around the knee joint is fucked.
Speaker 2And then I guess too, like the pressure of like. If you then miss it or you don't film it, great, you're the worst person on earth automatically.
Speaker 3Yeah, usually the worst person ever. He doesn't speak to me for a few weeks and just films with someone else.
Speaker 2Have you guys ever gone through periods like that where you're sort of like not talking?
Speaker 3No, I've never through periods like that where you're sort of like not talking, never done that because I'm not.
Speaker 4He's not employing me to film him. You know it's like it's not a business transaction. You're in a safe space here, come on. Uh, yeah, he definitely. There has been times where he has mucked something up and I've been a bit bummed. But I mean sometimes you just that's just, that's just scanning, like whatever you get better at that shit too.
Speaker 3Like in the beginning I'd fuck something up and I'd be I'd be too scared to tell him, or not just with him with other skaters. But then you know, as you mature a bit, you just be upfront about it. Yeah, Maybe I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4Yeah, Our rule is like, because our rule basically is if you fuck up the footage, tell me right, then and there, because I'm doing it again. You know what I mean. But if we leave the spot and I've going to come back to the spot do the trick again, I'm way more bummed because I'm like now I'm going to get all hyped up to do this thing again yeah, okay, because that does happen sometimes people like and I understand we're probably maybe too scared or nervous to mention it yeah, I've done that term before in the sense of.
Speaker 3We've had to go back like that rain, 50, 50. I showed you before they ended up using the still angle, yeah, but the week following that I had to call him and be like dude. We got to go do it again and you know it was. He's like fucking hey, you.
Speaker 2And so he's like dude, what you know, you just didn't have, you just prefer the up front like yeah, yeah yeah because we all make mistakes, rob, you know we do exactly anyway, let's go. The next one. Um we, I want to talk about the, um, the no manuals. Let's talk about no manual, seriously, like how it? Came about, but you did a collab with mob grip. Is that correct?
Speaker 3uh, yeah, that's. Uh, uh, rob rob's on mob, yeah and um, they had, so they have like a, I guess, like a marketing budget for all that for each rider you know what I mean okay, and they had rob's one and I guess they with other skaters on mob. They have crews and you've probably seen other crews do.
Speaker 4Rob would probably be able to mention some it's us and like colin's one, there's a bunch of them kind of like our shops do grip same sort of thing yeah, they're like hey, like do rob's.
Speaker 3Rob's like can I do grip? Same sort of thing. So they're like hey, like Rob's like can I do grip? They're like sure. Then Rob's like, let's do grip. So yeah, they hooked us up.
Speaker 2But genuinely like I'm being seriously like. So look, I know it's a fun little thing you do, but is it fun, I don't know, but like what actually got you started with it?
Speaker 3It was years ago, you know what happened, the inside joke, sort of thing. We've already spoken about this extensively like it's a punish to film a manual trick as a film.
Speaker 2You know it's so yeah, they take.
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Speaker 3You know it started from that, and it was like rob would want to do one and I was. I didn't want to. And that same thing with telling him a fuck up. A trick like I'm too scared to tell him, I'll just film it anyway and put up with it. But over time I'm like dude, no one wants to see you do a fucking manual you know, what I mean.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah, he started making T-shirts.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, let's have a look at our T-shirts. Give us a look at this Give us a.
Speaker 4Look that shirt, this shirt here right here. Look at this. So describe the images on that shirt. That's a person asking if it says can you film my manual? And it's a chainsaw going through his head so you made some shirts and stickers.
Speaker 2The company went worldwide yeah well, it went worldwide because I wore that shirt in nhs and then they decided to make this right this is a good segue. No, way so that so your latest graphic was inspired by the no manuals graphic I like walked in there and they were just like look at that you gotta do that so we made it super serious skateboarding company and we made it. So, sick.
Speaker 3Hell yeah, we're making heaps of money now.
Speaker 2Real money.
Speaker 3No, not at all.
Speaker 2You want to hear what's funny? Okay, so the back story is Rob gave me this board in the last episode. Thanks, Rob.
Speaker 4It's okay, I don't get many gifts. I think I want that board back now though.
Speaker 2Do I have to give it back that? No shit. Like when we lost the episode, I was like, like about to message and go hey man, what's your address? I'm gonna send that board back. I don't feel right taking it.
Speaker 2It's your board, you can have it seriously, you don't want to back, you can have it. Thank you, man. It says a lot about you as a person, um, but I had him, my son's six and skates and I had in my lounge room and he honestly looked at it and got like scared, like daddy, what's going on with that graphic and I'm like I don't know, is this good marketing?
Speaker 4it is pretty aggressive it's aggressive.
Speaker 2Oh, I mean, is that like the grim reaper?
Speaker 3I remember that, yeah, they sent chainsaw rob sent me that graphic before the blood spatter and he's like hey, this is my new graphic and I'm like dude, that, no, like they've got to have it like paint splattered all over it as well, and they did that, which is sick.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 3That's like one of my favorite.
Speaker 4That's like my favorite at the moment that we have.
Speaker 2That's sick, is it?
Speaker 4Yeah, for sure. I just love the story that he made some stupid shirt and then I cruised around NHS and then they made a graphic on a board.
Speaker 2That's right, it's cool.
Speaker 3The artist seen it and went hey, a graphic on a board, that's right, it's cool. There's the artist scene. I went hey, I can work with that. Yeah, it's pretty much crazy that, like a inside joke meme page with your friends has now like become that like it's on a fucking board, it's on a board.
Speaker 2That's awesome, eight and quarter and it's actually speaking of shapes. I was talking about shapes with my friend the other night, like that's a little shovel nose, sort of wide nose, wide tail, like real symmetrical yeah that one.
Speaker 4They're kind of yeah, it's, I think that one's more so just like this standard. They kind of have like a standard shaped board, yeah, I guess, just like one that they've been like. They just make, they've been making for years gotcha and yeah, I've just always ran those boards. That's just the shape that I like. I don't really like big wide nose. Yeah, like weird, I don't know like shorter wheelbase or longer wheelbase, I don't like to think of it too much.
Speaker 2Just look over there for a second. Just look over there. Go to the other camera angles. Go to the other camera angles. Jock, other camera angles. Go the other camera angles. Can I look? Yeah, go back to me, right, jock? What are you looking at?
Speaker 3Sorry, fucking suits you, man. We still have to talk about the whole team thing after this.
Speaker 2Shannon.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 4Yeah, no no, no, I had no idea.
Speaker 2Let's see, I'll see if I can drink shit with it.
Speaker 4It's a really functional working shit. It gets hot quick.
Speaker 3I told you you were trying to take a photo of me before with it on what does it? Smell like. Look back over there for a second.
Speaker 2It smells. Look over there. Look over there.
Speaker 3It's funny Shit, shen man what's?
Speaker 2going on. Man, seriously, like you, actually got it embroidered.
Speaker 3My missus did it. Yeah, did them all. Yeah, I know. That's love, right, yeah, she's supportive Even of just stupid things with your friends. You know she'll do it for me, so so NM. Nm yeah. But if you hold it, upside down it looks like WN. Okay, yes, it's like teaching a class of students, Shane.
Speaker 2I don't know, man, I don't actually really like how this second episode is going.
Speaker 3For real. Yeah, I'm sorry, man.
Speaker 2We might have to lose it.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, how do you feel about that? It's okay.
Speaker 2Actually, what would you do if we did lose the second episode?
Speaker 3Fuck, I'll just not do another one.
Speaker 4I don't care, I'll just not do another one, I don't care, I'll just tell you that we're doing it next year. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2Oh, so you wouldn't give up? No, I'd come back, see.
Speaker 3No, he'd be like fuck that, I'm going to Nine Club.
Speaker 2That's what he'd do. Yeah, actually you do. I think you deserve a Nine Club. I've had a couple of club, though I'm tht before. Nine club really like this was a warm-up chris markovich, I got him before the nine club. Not that I'm in competition, because I'm not even anywhere in the realm of the nine club and I love the nine club. And then recently chima did one on nine club, which was sick, did you see it?
Speaker 2yeah, I did it was good, so anyway, anyway, um, rob, you're still welding. We've got some images of you wearing some speed dealers and welding some stuff. Look at this guy, yep Dude in his world. You look happy.
Speaker 4Stoked yeah, absolutely stoked. Vulcan workwear right there. Durable Workwear yeah, that's all Vulcan workwear. Nice, I wear it every day actually, and it is actually really good Dude. Yeah, I really like it.
Speaker 2Wow Okay, From someone that doesn't get sent packages of stuff like how much would they send you Like every season? They just send you a box of like here's our summer line, here's our winter line, type of thing.
Speaker 4Yeah typically they just send out seasonal boxes. That's sort of what they try to do with everyone. So then everyone has, like, the latest range of clothes and their riders are wearing the latest stuff.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 4But for me I get a little bit lazy because they send out like order forms and the order forms are a little bit annoying to order off Okay. So I normally just wait till things come out and just pick what I like. Sick. But with the workwear stuff, stuff, I just tell them to send me like pretty much all the long sleeve stuff, because I'm working in hot works yeah, those carpenter pants like they're my favorite.
Speaker 2Like, yeah, you get the see where you got the ruler in your pocket. Like, yeah, I love that little pocket I'm always. I put wax in it when I skate, and also put my phone in it sometimes, so I can just whip it out and film that manual trick and stuff it's good.
Speaker 4It actually really works well for like working like you. You can put like all your tools actually in your pockets yeah, they actually thought it out.
Speaker 2Do you still get stoked when a package arrives like is it like christmas?
Speaker 4there's something about just like a box, just to open it At your doorstep. When it's not even yours. Sometimes you're like should I just open it? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2It's illegal. But you know that, don't you?
Speaker 4Yeah, but you know if it's got my dad's name on it, I'm opening it.
Speaker 2Really.
Speaker 4Yeah, nice, he does it to me all the time.
Speaker 2Does he speak Italian?
Speaker 4He does Right, he speaks a lot of uh, good at understanding it, I'm not amazing at speaking it back, which is sort of weird to think about but it's not actually pace, right?
Speaker 3how's it pronounced parche?
Speaker 4but it is base, but parche okay everyone's gonna call you bobby parche.
Speaker 2Now, yeah, I was gonna say like, because I know like your nickname is bobby, like bob. You know, I actually originally thought it was just bobby when I first heard about you, but now what do? You prefer.
Speaker 4Well, whatever, I feel like Robert has so many different names. You know, Rob Bob.
Speaker 2My son's middle name is Bob.
Speaker 4Yeah.
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Speaker 2Named after my stepdad. Oh sick, sick, bob's rad, good, clean name. You can turn it around and it still spells Bob, everything, everything about it, yeah.
Speaker 4Not like no manuals man.
Speaker 2Yeah, you can't flip no manuals. And then it says manuals on. We should have thought about the name If you turn it around, it can actually say manuals on.
Speaker 3No.
Speaker 2No, I might start up a rival company.
Speaker 3Please do not do that. No, I won't do that. No, do that. No, I won't do that.
Speaker 2Nah do it. I don't want to lose my position. We're nothing to it I don't want to lose my position on the team.
Speaker 3Fight words.
Speaker 2Let's get some video up of. Let's go to WA, the gap rail in WA, because I know it's a pretty significant one, because originally there was a rail you seen On a Social media post. Yes, Tell us this story, man. So everyone thought it was dead because they cut a gap out of it so people wouldn't skate it, right, yeah, yeah. Then what happened?
Speaker 4that was like a, that's like a pretty famous wa spot that a lot of people have skated and, yeah, that photo was from like dated back for a really long time ago and to stop skaters, that, yeah, cut the center out of it. And someone had sent me that photo and I just seen it and I was like, mate, I need to know where this is. Does it still exist? Is it still like this like and uh, homie went out to the school and he's like it's still like it ended up just buying a ticket to wa pretty much the next day and went straight there no way.
Speaker 2Yeah, let's go to the footage, then, of you doing it.
Speaker 4This is so epic yeah, it's so, so stoked the, the full mission of like going out there and then just getting it done, just made that one like for all the hype, for it was like sick as fuck, it was a cracker.
Speaker 2With your early America trips, you know when you were going over before you were really sponsored. Like all self-funded, yeah, yeah. And just turning up with nowhere to go or connect with um just with your friends yeah so my first trip, my first couple of trips.
Speaker 4I was doing like airbnbs to stop it.
Speaker 2Keep going.
Speaker 4Oh, you're doing, airbnbs yeah, airbnbs and like that was super expensive and renting like cars, and I did that for like, yeah, probably like two years, and then I met a lot of people and then you know it wasn't super weird to ask, you know, to be able to stay with them or whatever. And my friend Nick basically just looks after me every time I go to the States, gives me like a place to stay in that. But yeah, like for pretty much every trip before I turned pro I was self-funding everything yeah, I love that man yeah it was pretty tough.
Speaker 4But yeah, I'd just come back home and I would just come back home and work as hard as I could and then I would try to save up for those three months trips. But it's sick, you love it so sick.
Speaker 3I love those stories, I love them yeah, kind of had to do it with the industry sort of being so small in Australia. You know, in a way you've got to branch out and try and, you know, meet those people overseas to really get to where you want to go.
Speaker 2I mean, did you try the Australian route first or you just thought you'd? Just do it the old school way of just getting over there.
Speaker 4I feel like it's, I feel like I did sort of do it the Australian route. Like there's always just like you get to that certain level and then it's like, well, now you've got to make it happen. You've got to go over there and, you know, meet these people in the brands and, like you know, I'm sure they want to meet you and whatever, be stoked that you're over there filming, but that's the hardest part, like you've got to get to the states at some point when it comes to like trying to get to the next level, sort of thing compare the vibe over there and the scene compared to australia
Speaker 2um was it just because america's so big? Was it just really spread out big and there's little crews everywhere, or was it? Did it still have a sense of community?
Speaker 4I feel like the skating community in the States is really good though, like you just go to the park or whatever and you meet all these people and everyone is just skating together.
Speaker 2Like all your favorite pros are just hanging out.
Speaker 4Yeah, you go to LA like you're for sure going to find some pro skater somewhere at one of the parks.
Speaker 2Friendly, yeah for sure, okay for sure everyone's super friendly, kind of like vibing you out in any way.
Speaker 4No, I've been aussie, just I think most people that find, when you're they just love it. Yeah, okay, yeah, no, they like it.
Speaker 2Sick man yeah nice, let's get some more clips up, because, like, I've got a fair bit of content here, let's talk about this one. So what was going on here? Was this a trip to the mountains?
Speaker 4Yeah, we did like a trip to the mountains and in one day we sort of knocked off all of these certain tricks, and this is just one of them.
Speaker 2So this is one day. Okay, so that's one, let's go to the next one. So 50-50.
Speaker 4This is some deadline, shit.
Speaker 3I guess one, two days like a weekend, yeah, weekend, yeah, we're like. He wanted to finish this part so and we had these spots lined up, so we just like two days one after another, you know that was he picked me up at 5 am or something and he's on a flatbed truck from work with all this wood in the back for that spot yeah throw it to lithco, did it yeah?
Speaker 2no way you can tell you. Look like you've had a big adrenaline dump there, like you were genuinely scared that was scary, that was super scary.
Speaker 4I was like jumping down it, rolling down that ramp a whole bunch of times and I knew what I had to do. Like I knew, like I could have ollied into it first try, but it was just so hard, yeah, so scary to just commit Finally committed and landed into death wobbles and I actually go over a corner of grass where the concrete sort of separates and I thought I was going to get my wheels stuck in it. I was going so fast I sort of just went straight over it. Wow.
Speaker 2Crazy bro, so sick. All right, what have we got next? The same weekend. So this is all in one weekend. Yeah, so you've doctored a spot here big time yeah, that's the run-up.
Speaker 4That was the run-up, sorry yeah is that okay?
Speaker 3I wouldn't call that not doctor, but I mean just what, setting it up. If you've seen some of the things people are doing the spots these days, I mean that's nothing.
Speaker 2So yeah, a couple, a couple of bits of wood. When you say doctoring, we're talking like bondoing stuff. Well, you're talking about like doctoring is like really actually.
Speaker 3Faking it.
Speaker 2Changing the spot.
Speaker 3That's not faking it. I mean, you just had, that's just getting a run up, there's a run up.
Speaker 2You just need more, but you kind of would regard doctoring as like when you have to like Bondo cracks. Yeah, yeah, predominantly yeah.
Speaker 4Or grind down a stopper, so you can actually grind through it.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's not bad you got to do. It Makes it scalable, you know, yeah, so whatever.
Speaker 2Look at him in his natural element.
Speaker 3Yeah, that one didn't play, eh Spilling.
Speaker 4So you had the deadline for which video? Uh, this is like a slam video part, wow, yeah. And I guess like our sort of vision was like oh, this will probably put us maybe in a position for skater of the year, like up to be in the contention is that what?
Speaker 3yeah, for sure it was like your, uh, you, you know, rob wanted to be career progression in skating, you know, and the next step with him was try and get that, so then he can get noticed, try and make it, try and get overseas, and all that so so it's a pretty monumental weekend, you'd say that one weekend and the you know the months surrounding those sessions for sure.
Speaker 4That was like I know rob was ready to just put it all on the line and we had the spots, so sick dude so it's fixing it back up oh, so yeah, so you slid it and then you repainted it for yeah I repainted it twice because I went there and skated it and then I had to go back for a photo or something and then I ended up repainting it twice so yeah that was the deal we had with the place were cool if you skated it.
Speaker 4Yeah, well, I definitely had to swindle it a bit, like I was just like this I was trying to give him like, trying to like teach him skating, like if if I do this, then no one else will do it, because it's been done like trying to speak to him on that level for netflix, oh, okay, yeah. So I guess, after I sat there and like was chatting with her for a bit with it, she was on board and I was like, look, I'll paint the rail.
Speaker 4I'll make it look new again. There's going to be no scratches. The thing was already scratched because I think people have tried it over the years or whatever, but by the time I was done with that thing it was looking brand new.
Speaker 2You know one thing I noticed about watching your rail stuff a lot of the time when you're getting onto some of these so especially some of the flatter rails. It's like a waist high ollie hey, some of them.
Speaker 4Some of them are, yeah, like I mean that one looks pretty high. Yeah, okay, you're getting up on it, just jump. Yeah, I think I think as a kid I always used to like with your mates. You always do like the ollie competition yeah, with the board, yeah and I just feel like that's always played a pretty big part in my skating. I've got I can pop like pretty high.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean, look where you got onto that. Like that first part of the rail is fucking high. Yeah, I don't know, Like easily waist high.
Speaker 4Yeah, some of them can be up there every now and again, which, yeah, I'm really stoked that I can do that, because, some of these things wouldn't be.
Speaker 2You're not training your legs for that. You're not like doing squats in the gym and stuff. No, no squats.
Speaker 3Dude, he doesn't even warm up most of the time Really.
Speaker 2How old are you again?
Speaker 4I'm 28. The typical warm-up, and I don't know why it is, but for some reason it's like a couple kickflips on flat and then I'm just trying to grind a rail, which makes no sense, but it's just what I've always done, like when I go on a trip overseas with Santa Cruz Pizzle, the team manager. He's always like all right, go do a couple kickflips, like it's his joke now, because it's just always what I do.
Speaker 2You just get out of the van straight into it. Yeah, fair enough, start the journey.
Speaker 3Yeah, they got Saturday. You know you don't want to spend three hours at the park in the morning.
Speaker 2Yeah, I hate that. Yeah, and then, like you said, then you get injured on a half cab crooked on a knee-high ledge.
Speaker 4I've actually never been into that, like I've never understood. Like going to the skate park before the session to warm up, but then you get back in a car and you whatever. If you're 30 minutes away from the spot, then you're not really warmed up, are you like? You've just?
Speaker 2sat back down. I think, if anything, you're more mentally warmed up yeah, that's that's what I've actually discovered with it.
Speaker 4Like you've got your brain in that mode, maybe, but yeah, I feel like in a day you have like a certain amount of energy and I feel like if you go to the skate park you're just kind of burning it a bit away.
Speaker 2Yeah, totally so. That was in katoomba. What else we got, is that it? Oh, okay, is this one of your american trip ones?
Speaker 4oh yeah yeah I'm gonna play through it, yeah this one's a cool one, because when we're on a trip in america, uh, on the way to this spot, brendan was skating down the sidewalk and he tried to ollie onto one of the typical New York cellar doors and he like clipped on it.
Speaker 3Don't discredit me here. I was actually trying to film a trick of myself. I was skating on a cellar door, is?
Speaker 2that because he wouldn't film you. Yeah.
Speaker 3Usually yeah, it was a manual right.
Speaker 4No, I'm kidding he was was doing something, but I'll tell you what he face planted and split his eye at the bottom of a cellar door face on the wall yeah and I got knocked out and I went to the hospital
Speaker 3and while I was at the hospital, the other dudes had my camera. So rob did that. And then when I got out, um, I watched the tape and the idea was we won't tell brennan we did it. So he's like I don't remember filming this. And then, as you see, there's another angle. So the next day I had that like young filmer envy. You know, rob, can you do it again? So we went by the next day and did it again so I could get the chance to film it and arguably the first angle's film better, which wasn't by me rob.
Speaker 2You know, that's pretty funny, that's hilarious, because like that that thing looks gnarly that's a good memory, that one for sure, and it looks like you, would have had to contend with a lot of pedestrians um, it wasn't around.
Speaker 4Yeah, it wasn't super bad, though, because it was super wide like sidewalk, so people could sort of see me how do you deal with that?
Speaker 2like when there is like pedestrians and crowds and people like, does it put you off concentration, like like you don't want to slam in front of a bunch of people either, and things like that?
Speaker 4the slamming thing doesn't really get to me, but like people, you know when you're trying to skate a spot and there's just people always walking, you know in the way that frustrates me yeah and it's not like they're doing, they're just walking, you know. But when you try to get it you're just like do you have to walk there?
Speaker 2he's like you you're trying to get in the rhythm, right? Yeah?
Speaker 4exactly that's that. That's probably one of the things that frustrates me most like skating really busy places where there's like people walking everywhere. It makes it so hard oh, bro, it's crazy.
Speaker 2And next clip let's keep going through, let's burn through a few of these. I love this clip. Like just, can you pause it there? Like just the look on your face like before you try that, like right there, like that image. I think, like most skaters, whether they're old, young, have been in a position where they're just like, oh, like the anguish. I can see it in your face yeah, yeah, no, no, there's definitely frustration.
Speaker 4That's skating.
Speaker 2Why were you frustrated that day?
Speaker 4Well, it was really hot and then just getting to this spot and just trying to skate it, it just probably wasn't going so well.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 4But knowing that I have to land this like I want to do it. We've put so much time into it, so you're just sitting there, frustrated, trying to think as positive as possible, to get over it and just keep getting it. Hopefully you can just roll away and be done with it.
Speaker 2Sick man, let's watch it, let's have a look at it, because it's gnarly. Look at this, that's so high. Yeah, oh, yeah, oh, there we go you don't seem like someone who throws their board much oh, I can throw me board every now and again, okay you're another tail snap yeah, broke my board so did, did you borrow brendan's, but?
Speaker 3look how high that thing is.
Speaker 4That's on my board so that's on your board after you snapped it as usual, that actually happens quite often, like I've used Brendan's board quite a few times to get things done. Yeah, really Broken board.
Speaker 2Yeah, we've got another video of you when you do the nose bond slide in Brighton. Yeah, same vibe. Look at that. There it is.
Speaker 4Yeah, I think that's funny about this spot is that in I don't know when it was, but it got flooded and the whole entire place was completely underwater. There it is. Like I think that's like a record amount of water.
Speaker 2No way yeah.
Speaker 3So that's the day we found it. He did it, and then they put a, put a new rail on it.
Speaker 2It got flooded so you guys took the rail off?
Speaker 3oh, no, not us just some guy some different people.
Speaker 2Different people took the rail off.
Speaker 3Yeah, I don't know who took it off, but it got taken off and um yeah, and then rob no slid it and they put a new rail those same people put the rail back on. Probably yeah.
Speaker 2The exact same people.
Speaker 3Maybe no, but that was flooded and yeah, it's just crazy to see how fucking spots capped, you know.
Speaker 4If you go there and you like, try to imagine the water being at that height of the stairs, it's really mind-blowing because it's crazy.
Speaker 2Okay, yeah Well, I mean I'm looking at the set. It's like huge double flight of steps and it's right up to the second, the top set, halfway up the top set. So, yeah, that's god. That's like it's gone up like five meters or something like that crazy. Hey, wow crazy now this route we put in in this video. Let's just watch this, because it looks scary.
Speaker 3There, that's a cool one. Oh cut Scary.
Speaker 4Steve All good, yeah, this one was. I don't really know. This is just like another grind, I guess.
Speaker 3Yeah, they're all just other grinds.
Speaker 2Just another grind, we liked it. And this 50-50. Grind, I guess, yeah, they're all just other grinds. Just another great, we liked it.
Speaker 3And there's 50, 50, damn. So put it in context, this was was this one of the last tricks in one of your video parts? Uh, yeah, one of the, the nike medley video?
Speaker 4yeah, okay, I actually forgot about that. That was his to some extent, but um yeah he.
Speaker 3Yeah, I was just needing an ender and it's just a cool clip. It's quick, unlike rob being quick footed, you know. So I'm pretty.
Speaker 4I was really stoked on this one because it was like I don't really ever get a lot of opportunities to sort of do lines or stuff like that, so to be able to do this kink grind and then land and do the tray.
Speaker 2Yeah made it, you know special for me to be perfect straight into a tray so sick and it's a flat rail. Yeah, it's one of those.
Speaker 4Yeah, it's one of those weird like thin flat rails. I don't know. I feel like you find those rails at churches all the time yeah, okay, okay. They're always at churches for some reason.
Speaker 2So when I see a rail like that, I always just call it like church rail. Okay, like a church style. It's not there anymore.
Speaker 3That one, they replaced it with a round one, did they yeah?
Speaker 2You know the bumps they put at the top of steps, now the blind bumps. How are you dealing with those Like? Are you sometimes like? Well, every now, and again, or are you like trying to roll? Yeah over them when you can.
Speaker 4They've got like a couple of different styles, I guess. Like, well, the ones that are cemented in the ground are always a pain and to remove, like if you were to remove them, they're going to be really kind of tough to do. And then they have like the glued down version. The glued down ones are pretty chill though, like because you can put them back and they're just fine. They just stay there, yeah, but I'd like to. Every now and again I'll probably use like a little plate thing so you can roll and pop off it. Then you're not having to, like the ones that are cemented in the ground, like there's a way to be able to go over them. So that's sort of like what I like to do. But yeah, that's. They are pretty annoying, I mean even everywhere.
Speaker 4Now too I know they're in every spot. Like anything that's built new, like it's like it's like a requirement, it must be obvious to have them all there. But yeah, just use the plate. I've gotten pretty used to like popping off like a plate to get over them yeah, yeah, okay, standard right yeah, it's just part of skating, just another, another thing to have to battle yes, sir, sure is.
Speaker 2Well, are we all done? Jock, we've got everything we want to get through. Man like quick, yeah, quick went quick yeah felt like it. Hey, yeah, it's amazing what happens. I feel like my head's itchy after putting that bubble on.
Speaker 4It's never been washed or something. Yeah, dude.
Speaker 3You know how many people have worn that thing?
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Speaker 2It's all right, you'll be all right. Thanks, rob, you're a nice guy, you said it smells too. You don't have any air. Jock, shut up. Jock, this guy man, what? Is this.
Speaker 2God, this guy man, what is this? God? I need some, see. I mean, I look I told you I need sympathy right now. Okay, no, no, now, um, listen, um, this is the last episode for the year, so thank you for being my last guest. I have recorded a 2024 in review episode with ty coaling and jim turvey, so look out for that. But, rob, thanks for being the last guest. It's been a big year for the show and life in general. So, and Brendan Gardall legend, it's been so nice connecting with you guys. Just the top, top dudes.
Speaker 3Thanks.
Speaker 2Very grateful to have you.
Speaker 3Yeah, cheers, I appreciate it. And, by the way, oh sorry go. Oh, I said thank you, my pleasure.
Speaker 2And, by the way, thanks for the board.
Speaker 3Yeah, I'm not sending it back. Enjoy it. I'm not sending it back.
Speaker 2Yeah, all right. Rob Pace, brendan Garddall, everyone, happy New Year. Happy New Year, we'll be right back. I'm so used to coming to town.
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