Getting the Juice With: Alesha Dixon

Jason kicks off a brand new set of podcasts with BGT beauty Alesha Dixon. Alesha and her crew were the first ever guests at Jason’s Juicy Oasis retreat in Portugal (before it had even opened!) and they’ve remained friends ever since. 

In this episode they talk about the inescapable Lockdown, Alesha’s eventful career, health, fitness and how she stays in such amazing shape. If you’re looking for a podcast that is politics and religion free and one that focuses on inspiration, a bit of good old-fashioned banter and plenty of laughs - then this could be for you!

Transcript

Jason Vale: It's the Jason Vale podcast, everybody! Here we are! Wherever you are in the world, I'd like to say a massive thank you, once again, for listening. Look, I'm aware there are literally millions of podcasts to choose from now, so it's a genuine honour having your company today. If you're tuning in for the first time, first of all, where have you been?

But if you like the positive and inspirational vibe that we have here, then you can catch up with any of the previous episodes on Apple or Spotify any time. All sponsor an advert free on this podcast. I've had the good fortune to talk health fitness, how to get, and more importantly, keep a positive mindset with some truly inspirational people, over the time of doing the podcast.

These include people like Paul McKenna, Katie Piper, Chris Moyles, or actually Beverly Knight; the list goes on and on. So if you're looking for something that is religion and politics free, yes, welcome to a podcast, which is religion and politics free, and is designed purely to educate, lift, and inspire and make you giggle here and there, then you've come to the right place. Now talking to people who can lift and, inspire and certainly who doesn't mind a good giggle, my guest today is one of the most well known faces on British, and indeed now U.S. television. She's a singer, rapper, songwriter, dancer, author, model, and a TV all-around megastar.

She's not only won Strictly Come Dancing, but she's the only person in history to then transform to be a judge on the same show. She's, without question now got the X factor both here and in the U.S. Yes, of course, please welcome the second most famous Dixon after Dixon of Dock Green: It's Alicia Dixon!

Come on everybody! It's Alicia.

Hello. 

Alesha Dixon: an 

Jason Vale: Intro!

I tell you! Do you know what, though? It's funny, when you start, I've known you for many years now, I've had the good fortune of knowing you for many years, and obviously I don't Google people or look people up or see what they're up to, you know, especially when I consider they've become friends.

And obviously just before doing the podcast, what normally happens is, is that somebody in my office just does some research and then sends me a one pager and this, that, and the other. And then I'll write a quick intro, which I did literally about 20 minutes ago. And, the magnitude of what you have done!

Alesha Dixon: I must remind myself of that!

Jason Vale: No, but it's quite breathtaking. it's hard to remind yourself of what you've done. I mean, not only to win something like Strictly Come Dancing, but you go all the way back and, you know, from Mis-Teeq days, even, you know, 1999, you know, rose to fame, the band Mis-Teeq for six years.

You know, it was a long time.

Alesha Dixon: Yeah.

Jason Vale: And then going straight into Strictly Come Dancing and then you were even in the film, Absolutely Fabulous. Who knew that? Um, which I found out literally about half an hour ago, which I didn't know.

Alesha Dixon: It's an interesting thing, isn't it? It doesn't matter how much that you've done in your career. I mean, I always feel like I'm starting out. It's a bizarre feeling. It's almost like, right you park that and you move on and you're focusing on the next thing or what the next project can be, and I don't know if that's just the mind of creative people.

It's like your mind never sleeps. Like there's always endless possibilities. And being in the entertainment industry, which is so delicate and nothing is guaranteed, and it's all fragile, you don't always feel, like your secure in that and so that you've always got to keep building and building.

It's a strange thing.

Jason Vale: Well, it's funny, several people in the public eye that I've spoke to, and creative types, as you're talking about, have this same, and it's almost, we alluded to with somebody else, calling it almost like kind of creative disease in a way. I mean, Simon Cowell's got it and a few other people have got it in the sense that...

Alesha Dixon:  the need to constantly

Jason Vale: need to constantly improve and upgrade regardless of what you've done.

Do you ever find time, Leesh, that when you've done monumental achievement. So in other words, let's call each monumental achievement equivalent of climbing a mountain, which you did in Mount Kilimanjaro, but we'll come onto that in a minute. But when you literally climb a mountain of any kind, creatively, do you ever, I mean, as corny as this sounds, do you ever take time to either adequately celebrate, it or stay there long enough to enjoy the view?

Or do you immediately get back down because you seen another mountain while you're up there?

Alesha Dixon: I think it's so important to stop and smell the roses. Like you have to reflect on everything that you do.  You have to be present. If you're not present, you're not in the moment and you, you don't appreciate the full moment. If you're in one situation thinking and contemplating your next move. So there's a fine balance to be had.

So I think I'm the kind of person, let's take AGT, for example, America's Got Talent. That was a monumentous moment for me, and I literally, as I was there recording it, I was like, I'm going to enjoy every single moment of this, whilst at the same time, obviously thinking about what doors could possibly open for me in America, what meetings I could take, what this could potentially lead to, but I was present. And I embraced it and I had an incredible time because I was able to be in the moment.

Jason Vale: And do you find, do you find that that has become easier? So when you look at someone like Take That, you need to speak to Gary, for argument's sake, he would say that second time round is by far the best. Now you're not on a second time round. What I'm alluding to here is that when you first started out with Mis-Teeq and you were younger and stuff, do you find that you just get kind of swept away and you forget it, but whereas now actually, like America's Got Talent, as you just said, that you can just step back. Like you said, you have a little bit more time to reflect and think, hang on a second.

Alesha Dixon: Well, I have to say, right, on one hand, I completely understand what Gary's saying. Like of course, like the older you get, the more, retrospective you are, the more you appreciate you're just more thoughtful about everything that you do. So on one hand, I agree, but I have to say, I think for me from day one, because nothing was handed to me.

You know, whatever that saying is, I didn't have a silver spoon or

Jason Vale: Yeah. On the plate. Nothing's handed to you on the plate at

all? No. 

Alesha Dixon: plate. And actually the odds were so against Mis-Teeq succeeding that even back then, from the first moment that hear your song on the radio, or you're at the first appearance on Top of the Pops. Or like working for four or five years with no money whatsoever, not knowing if it's going to happen for you or not. And then you get that break. Three black girls in an industry where everything is stacked against you. I appreciated every single moment from day one. And I think a lot of people that met me when I was 20, 21,22 you know, first signing a record deal. I mean my energy. I mean, you think you've got energy, babes!  I was bouncing off the walls because I was genuinely so happy and grateful to be there, and I don't think I've ever lost that.

Jason Vale: No, and it's good that you acknowledge that from day one. Cause some people do miss it and clearly you didn't. And I think part of that is alluding to what you just said, in the fact that things were potentially, I mean things are stacked up against people anyway, right? Just generally to become a singer songwriter, to make it in any industry that stacked up.

But for you girls, even more so, especially at the time. So no wonder you enjoyed that journey at the same time. Now you said that you've never had anything given to you on a plate. Now, this is a beautiful    that also includes Juicy Oasis because we don't deliver anything on a plate. You see what I've done there just, I mean, Listen! I'll shoe horn anything in, Leesh!  I'll just shoehorn it in.  So, although having said that, you are one of the very few people that actually we have delivered something on the plate at Oasis - and  intelligently and rightly so. And the reason why I bring up Juicy Oasis, is twofold.

First of all, for those that didn't see the V cast that we did some time ago, those of you unaware of the history of Juicy Oasis, I cannot think of juicy Oasis without thinking of Alicia Dixon. The two go, well, the two go hand in hand because you were, and for those that don't know, the very first guest that we ever had Juicy Oasis before it opened. Before it opened.

Now I didn't know Alisha. I didn't know you.

Alesha Dixon: I think we've had one conversation, hadn't we,

on 

Jason Vale: We'd had one... well, Bernadette mainly was the conversations that I'd had your, your manager and I remember being in Dubai and I remember getting a random call on my mobile. It said, I'm Alicia Dixon's manager. I was like, Oh wow! Right? Because  like most people I've followed you for years. I've admired you for years. And so when you hear that, you know, I'm still, you know, Jason from Peckham. Do you know what I mean? Like, like I was just like, Oh my God, Alicia Dixon's like even knows I exist, you know, that's how sad, you know. I am, I mean that's how I am. I'm like, I wear my heart on my sleeve. So when she said, I said, she goes, Oh, she needs to come to you.

She wants to come through short. You certainly don't need to. And we see you, you know, you

Alesha Dixon: Oh, everyone needs to go to your retreat!

Jason Vale: I think for different reasons, but I mean, you certainly don't do it for weight loss. And we'll come onto that in a minute. I know, because some people get a bit misconstrued with that. And that's not why you do it at all. Far from it, in fact, you don't need to do it. But some people get a bit confused with that. But when, when she said, um. And I said, it's closed. I said, Bernadette, it's not only closed, it's never been open. I mean, I've just bought the, you know, like the builders are still there. There's no outside furniture. That's okay. we'll just come along and help with outside furniture. Now, I actually  thought she was joking.

We'll all 

Alesha Dixon: chip in.

Jason Vale: And you listen! People listening, you think that people are just, I dunno, behind their ivory towers, or whatever the case is. Lesha and her gang were there. There's only five. I said the gang

Lisa, at least. Yeah. About five or six of you there. As soon as the truck come with the outside furniture, you're getting the outside furniture off, you're getting it...

I couldn't believe what I was seeing!

Alesha Dixon: So honored to be there, though.

Jason Vale: Do you know what, though. I was looking at at court, I was just looking through and I forgotten who I was talking to, one of the team and I just went, That's Alesha, look, she's lifting up a chair. She's not even open. And I  remember, literally, almost 

Alesha Dixon: freaking 

Jason Vale: out

going like, like we weren't even meant to be open.

it was years later as well cause we were playing games there and everything else. And I know we spoke about it, but a lot of people listening to this for the first time and you weren't, you're quite competitive, but you weren't. Joining in as my, you looked a bit frustrated and I was ages before I even knew why that was.

And of course it was because...

Alesha Dixon: I was pregnant!

Jason Vale: Pregnant!  And you called Juicy Oasis, a magical place because magic tends to happen when you're there. And I think it's, I think it's definitely a magic. Not that you got pregnant at Juicy Oasis. He says, I just want to make that very clear.

Alesha Dixon: it's like, since that day it has become tradition. I've been there the same week every year for the last seven years, so to not be there this year, I genuinely had a week of...like I was so upset all week. I was like, I should be in Portugal with Jason at the retreat, not here!

Jason Vale: And for those of you that are listening in in the future when you won't be listening in the future, this will still be present, obviously. But you know what I mean? I mean, we're recording this during lockdown, just so people are aware of whenever they tend to find this podcast that we're recording this during lockdown.

I happen to be in Spain at the moment. Now I can't even get to the retreat either. So imagine the frustration that...that I have at the same time, and the fact that it's never been closed since the day that  it opened and it's always been a hundred percent full, a hundred percent of the time. So it seems very strange that it's having to be paused.

JI'm overdue my colonic, 

Alesha Dixon: Jason!

Jason Vale: Oh my God, I seem to remember, I don't even know if I can bring this up, as your fellow, I mean, who's far too good looking by the way, and I say it every time .  And when... whenever you two are together and you want to come and say hello, I just want to keep...listen forget COVID-19, I need to keep him two metres  apart at all times. Just as a standard, right. Nothing to do with anything else. Just, so that I look slightly better! But yeah, you were obviously pregnant at time, and then, Azura who I can't believe is six, by the way,

Alesha Dixon: Yeah, I know.

Jason Vale: I mean, seriously. So you named Azura because you looked at the blue sky, which is lovely. And then of course  you've got another one!

Alesha Dixon: And I was pregnant last year at juicy Oasis as well. Yes. So I'm nearly two years overdue a colonic!

Jason Vale: But also...listen, by the way, people, if anybody's listening that doesn't know what a colonic is,

Alesha Dixon: They will certainly now!

Jason Vale: I'm just going to go in lay person's terms. It's where shovel is. Somebody shoves a pipe up your ass.

Alesha Dixon: I'm so sorry. I do often lower the tone. I 

Jason Vale: apologise.

they, and they literally remove the crap from inside, literally inside your body. but also last time you were at Juicy Oasis, we talked about, I don't remember how excited you are because this potential job opportunity of America's Got Talent.

Alesha Dixon: I had to take the phone call at Juicy Oasis with no service,

Jason Vale: No, there's no service. Okay. Anybody's ever, we're in the middle of nowhere. There's 

Alesha Dixon: no service

Exactly in the middle of nowhere with two of the highest execs  at NBC in America. They were basically, I think just wanting to have a chat with me, get vibe with me, and literally after the phone call at Juicy Oasis, I got offered the job a week later, and so, yeah, that place has got some magic 

Jason Vale: energy, Jason.

Well, of course it has nothing to do with you know, what you've done over the years. Nothing to do with your talent, nothing to do with the fact that you know you won Strictly Come  Dancing,  that you are a phenomenal judge and is the only judge that's happened to transcend from strictly come dancing  and also does X factor.

 None of this had anything at all to do with why you got the job. It was because you were at Juicy Oasis!

Alesha Dixon: That's a hundred percent why I got the job. You think, of course. Because that place something magic happens when people are there.

Jason Vale: Listen, talking of lockdown as well. You got six year old and you've got  and nine month old. Now we've been on lockdown here in Spain with somebody who was almost 2, now is 2, obviously cause lockdown has been going on a long time. So we know as a couple some of the challenges with a young person, but a nine month old and a six year old, how have you guys genuinely coped? Because everybody's had their moments where if it has got their honest heads on, this hasn't been an easy process 

Alesha Dixon: for anyone.

Oh my goodness. Absolutely not

Jason Vale: and, and.

 I suppose some of the frustration is when somebody goes, Oh, well they're all right cause they're a quote-unquote celebrity or that as if as if you don't struggle or have really bad days.

Alesha Dixon: But, you have to obviously the most important things that people need to acknowledge. You know, if you are fortunate enough to not be ill, if you're fortunate enough to have a lovely home and lovely family, then of course you can 100% enjoy and embrace that quality time together. But obviously every week I'm thinking about all those people that don't come from healthy families, that there's conflict within the home. Like domestic violence has gone up as we know which is so worrying . You know, obviously a lot of children don't get their freedom and relief from going to school. So that's another issue. And then some people not having the beauty of going in their garden.

It's a catch 22 isn't it? Because on one hand I have tried to embrace it and I think there's time we'll never get it back again. And so I've tried to find the positive and do the best that I can for my family in this present moment, but whilst also being mindful of what everybody else and all the frontline workers, all the NHS, what everybody else is going through on a daily basis, and I just pray and it feels like there's a glimmer of hope at the moment.

It feels like we're moving into the next phase, and that it's relaxing a little bit. And so let's, let's pray that we

Jason Vale: It is. No. And I agree. And I think history will show us, I mean, nobody really knows, and I'd hate to be in government of any kind. I don't envy anybody in government. Of any kind. It's a phenomenally difficult job that they have. That said right from the outset, I wasn't in favour of locking down, I never have been. And I think that it will end up causing more health issues and more deaths ultimately than the virus. And I think it depends on where you see. You know, I grew up in an estate in Peckham, and I just think when they closed the parks like they did in Brockwell Park and they go, we're just gonna close the park. And you go, that's fine for you. You've got a garden or you've got this, what about the person that's got five kids that

on the. Literally 20th floor in a tower block. That's got no air conditioning. The heat's coming in. They're not even allowed to go out. And sometimes people are so far removed from actually it's not working, you know, and like you said, domestic violence this that and the other, and you think it's just gone up. But like you said, there are some positives have come from it for a lot of people. And those equally, I spoke to a lot of people, you know, from where I grew up and everything else. And actually they're saying, you know, it's funny. It's weird because it's actually in some ways it's been nice to pause.

Alesha Dixon: Yeah, exactly. I think it's really healthy. You know, everything is so external. We look to the outside world so much, and I think, obviously social media is fantastic. People are probably using that more than they ever have, but I think at the same time you have to practice self-discipline and really have a break from the outside world and reflect and think about your life. Take stock of everything, learn a new skill. I mean, between looking after the girls and you know, obviously I feel like I'm running a kitchen. I feel like a chef. I mean, whatever. Any job that there is, I feel like I've taken it on.

But at the same time, I've been Reading more, I've been, focusing more on cooking, everything from scratch and really sort of diving into things I wouldn't normally get to do. But of course with a nine month old, it's a constant...

Jason Vale: It's funny, isn't it? Because everybody thinks everybody is just is playing sailing. It's all in the Instagram world. Talking of social media, I actually, got rid of my Twitter account yesterday!

Alesha Dixon: Oh, you did. 

Jason Vale: I

got rid of it. It was a bold move. But look, we all need to keep our mental strength and the only thing that we can, I think we all have mental strength. We term it mental health, which is a, I don't know, it has negative connotations, but I think we all have mental strength.

But I think that strength can sometimes go. It's a bit like, we haven't worked that muscle for a little while for whatever reason. And I think what takes away your mental strength, things that weaken it are things like huge negativity or getting angry disproportionately about something that maybe you didn't have control over.

And, and I look on, you know, Twitter in particular. Instagram tends to be a fairly nice positive place and a force for good on the whole, it is, I, I'm big fan of Instagram at the moment, at the time of recording this, but Twitter, you know, got so evil that it was, it got to a point and not aimed at me in particular.

It's just that the more I read, I

Alesha Dixon: It doesn't feel productive.

Jason Vale: Well, it just felt, what am I doing? I'm wasting two hours just to either feel right about something by agreeing with somebody or to get aggrieved because I don't agree with them. I'm reading here two weeks before Anaya was born, um, that you felt really low for a couple of weeks 

Alesha Dixon: I did.

Jason Vale: before she was born because it says that you thought it was going to be the end of an era. And when I read that and the era was this family of three that you had, and I kind of... there's me, Kate, and JJ and I get it. Like, How is it now nine months in? end of a year, or actually this is a brand new beginning, or actually you, you, you was upset for nothing, or do you miss the three.

Alesha Dixon: Well, firstly, two weeks, I mean, everyone knows that when you're pregnant, it's up and down, up and down. But the last two weeks of pregnancy, it wasn't just about the end of an era. I think just hormonally, emotionally, mentally I just felt so low for so many reasons, but it's, hard to explain. But fortunately from the day she was born, she's been the biggest blessing in our lives.

Like you can't imagine life without her not being there now. It's so bizarre. Like she's such a beautiful little soul. That it's just...ah, honestly, she's just, I don't like to use the word complete because I don't believe in that. You know, some people say, Oh, my family is completed now. it's not that's the feeling. It's just that she brings something, another energy to the family dynamic, which is just really cool and beautiful, and so I'm embracing it.

Jason Vale: Well, I tell you what, I won't be playing this podcast to Katie because I'm quite happy with just the one. So, um, I think y'all, cause you know, I was, I was rather hoping that you'd have a negative story there!

Alesha Dixon: Well, the only negative story, Jason, you know, would be the fact that you, you know, you don't get as much time to yourself, you don't sleep as well. However, for what we know with the Azura, time goes quickly. And before, you know, you're looking back at those baby pictures, they're walking, they're going to school.

And so with this moment now, I think, you know, referring back to what we were talking about earlier about enjoying the industry more once you've kind of been around the block a few times. I think once you've had a baby and you get the first mum, first dad experience out of the way, you can really enjoy the moment

And take in and not panic.

Jason Vale: And also as this thing comes through and I was re, I genuinely think about this isn't false flattery. I don't do false flattery, Leesh. said, at the age of 41 she became a mom and I had to take a double take. And I think most people no, genuinely you think, what do you mean?

41? This is a mistake! She's not 41! What are you talking about? This is  nonsense.

Alesha Dixon: Well, I was actually 40 when I gave birth

Jason Vale: yeah. Okay.

Alesha Dixon: I I turned 41 a couple of months later,

Jason Vale: Yeah, but I mean, I mean

Alesha Dixon: you know?

Jason Vale: But people oft... I mean, you must get this all the time, right? So, so women get this all the time. So whenever they have a baby, they are instantly either: What are you doing? How did you get your body back?

What's going on, this, that and the other, And do you think there's just some times, some people just spring back, other times they don't. And do you think sometimes you actually, you just need to put in a little bit of effort and it might go back, whatever. I mean, do

Alesha Dixon: Well, we're all built differently and I, and I can't speak for anyone else, but for me personally, I have, I had to put the work in, but not in a way where there was pressure on myself, just simply because as you know, because I know you love working out. It just makes me feel good. It keeps my mind right.

It makes me feel focused. I feel energized. It lifts my mood. So why wouldn't I want to add that into my life

Jason Vale: No abs...absolutely. Kate gave herself some time off obviously of that front. And she was all, cause you know, we are six rounds of IVF trying to get JJ and  this that and the other. So she was like, didn't want anything to happen to the little fella and, and you know, all that. But you know, she's, come out of that, she's running like you said, everybody's slightly different, but you talk about, obviously, you know, improving your mindset.

Everything else. Now, one thing I noticed When you come to the retreat and you have juices and soups and salads and stuff cause people think you're on juice all week and you're not and nor should you. I, I don't think you should be personally. And they, and people are surprised whenever I say that and they assume that everybody who comes is only on juice for the whole week.

But we take stock, we go look, is it intelligent for them to be on juice all week? Are they already in the best shape they can be. In fact, if they lost weight, it would be detrimental to them. So we don't want that to happen. And you're, already in the nutrition game. You know so much about this subject already that you know what you need, you know what you want.

So when you come, you go, look, here's what I'm going to need, Jase. And that's,

Alesha Dixon: yeah,

Jason Vale: and that's, an intelligent thing to do.

Alesha Dixon: Because I don't come to Juicy Oasis for weight loss. I come for the detox, I come for the sunshine, the exercise, to feel good, to pause, like lots of reasons I come to Juicy Oasis. And I still want all the goodness to go into my body whilst maintaining the weight. So that's quite tricky in itself to be able to do that.

Jason Vale: It is. No, a lot of people find that tricky. I mean, we, we've had some, professional rugby players, you know, six foot six tall and they've been on nothing but juice all week, but some of them pack quite a bit and they actually just get a bit leaner. Conversely, we get some people that really, when they turn up and we have to speak to them, I mean, people, surprising what we say... because how do you do it? It's delicate. So we say, look, we think you need some food.

Alesha Dixon: Yeah.

Jason Vale: uh, but, but to be honest with you, you got to say it in such a way because we don't want to do anybody a disservice.

Alesha Dixon: No. But I do think it's really important for everyone, whether it's every six months, every year to have a detox, whether it's two days, three days, a week, whatever works for you, where you give your body a break, allow it to just taking goodness and cleanse and heal.

Jason Vale: You know, I think that how it started off for me years ago, it was every three months. So every season.

Alesha Dixon: That's good.

Jason Vale: I've just made sure every season, this is what I do. I do either five days or seven days every season. Now, because I happen to have the retreat, and well I used to have a Juice delivered business, I still have, but I'm in Spain, we don't deliver here, so I'm having to make all my own juices, which isn't very nice! But I've got back into making the juices again.

I see everybody else with this delivery going, look what I've got! And think, Oh, that's nice. That's really lovely. Yeah. Great. I

I'm in Spain having to make my own. Um, you know. So do a seven day, have to do a five day. And it's funny because the vast majority of people, you know, you can live on water for two, three days before we get any  emails and go, are you advocating people live on water for only two days. Nothing will happen to you!

It's like you're like, nothing's going to happen if you live on water for two 

Alesha Dixon: days.

I mean, my mum does dry fasts quite regularly actually. Yeah. My mom's quite hardcore.

Now 

Jason Vale: that's 

Alesha Dixon: I've never done that, but I understand the principle behind it.

Jason Vale: I've done it for eight hours. I was asleep! But. It was a

Alesha Dixon: Oh, really good.

Jason Vale: know. We have this, there's so many things when it comes to food, you see, you've got like vegetarians, pescetarians you know, most of which makes sense. But over the years, you can imagine, I 've been doing this 20 years some of the stuff that I have witnessed and seen, but none more so than breatharians.

Alesha Dixon: That's why people shouldn't put themselves into these boxes. I have such an issue with labeling

Jason Vale: I agree, and I'm glad you brought that up. A lot of people, listening, this is primarily a health and fitness podcast but a lot of people do. I for seven years, you know, wheat-free, dairy-free, sugar-free, gluten-free, friends-free, personality-free, you know, and that's what I Sall we invite Jase to a  barbecue? No, the guy's a nightmare. Um. And that is the  to become a thing, like, you know, um, whatever it is, a pescatarian or this, that and the other. I mean, primarily I'm a pescatarian, but I don't want you, I often don't like using the terminology even.

Alesha Dixon: That's it. Exactly. Because you on your personal journey, you might veer off of that, for whatever your personal reasons and then people are quick to condemn you or try and shoot you down and actually it's a very personal journey. We shouldn't be judgmental. Yes, people should constantly learn and evolve and be open-minded.

I think that's for me, why I've made lots of different changes in my life over the last 20 years because I'm very open-minded. I don't shut anything down. I look at, the evidence, I do the research, and if it doesn't sit right with my spirit, then I'll make a change.

Jason Vale: See, and that is, that is a beautiful message as well. Genuinely because a lot of people don't, we're headline readers. We get disproportionately angry about something we don't know anything about, really. And there's a lot of anger can come from that, and it serves no purpose, really.

And you just go, well, actually, and I've seen people that were vegan for years, and then I was a vegan for seven years.

And I remember the time that I became non-vegan essentially, if there is such terminology and, um, and I'm. And I remember getting hammered. I remember somebody going, Oh my God, how could you this? and it's interesting to observe that the healthier that you eat, the healthier that you eat, the more you tend to get judged and picked on,weirdly. So like for example, if you're coming on a Juice retreat, Leesh, or whatever, you're doing, some juices, or you're doing some healthy eating, you just put it out there on Insta. Just say, I'm going to have no sugar. Just say for argument's sake, right? No refined sugar, no refined fats for a week or whatever.

Most of the posts be positive. Some will be, I can't believe you're advocating this. Some will be, this And then others will say it's dangerous. So I've had this over the years where people have said juicing is dangerous. And it's a very strange concept. Now, if you put out different post, Leesh, and said, I'm going to Vegas, I'm going to be on it.

I'm going to get

Alesha Dixon: Oh, I have a great time!

Jason Vale: Have a great time. They would, but we get people saying, have you consult? This is the biggest one we get when people, before they come to retreat and people literally email said, well, you know, I've contacted my doctor to make sure it was going to be all right.

I said, what? How about if he is, you've contacted your doctor before you had a green juice, but at the airport you can have a pipe of Pringles,

Alesha Dixon: It's like a disconnect.

Jason Vale: It's a disconnect. Yeah, it's a good, is that as a good terminology? It is a disconnect. Because also people say juicing's not sustainable or whatever, and I always say to them,  well look, putting your car in for  a service also isn't sustainable. It's not sustainable to leave my car in the garage.

Alesha Dixon: That's right.

Jason Vale: But to put it in for a week so that it has a tune up and then take it back out again. I'm not key, I'm not keeping it in the garage. It is abnormal to drink juice for a week, but it's also abnormal to eat Pringles. So.

Alesha Dixon: right. Exactly. And we are doing things that go completely against what human beings and our bodies are designed to consume. So obviously our bodies are constantly fighting this uphill battle to stay balanced, and therefore, you know, like the diseases in all of us as we've learned from your fantastic documentaries that we watch at Juicy Oasis.

You know, it's like the more goodness you put in. From the inside, then that comes out externally.

Jason Vale: Do you know what? It's never been more important than in lockdown. And I did a podcast with a doctor and I got hammered for it, but I didn't care. And I was just like, because sometimes the truth has to come out and facts do speak for themselves. The most unhealthy nations in the world, are the ones that suffered the most severely when it came to COVID.

Irrelevant when you locked down. Right? So, this doctor pointed out quite rightly so, that you are 10 times more likely to die of COVID-19 if you are overweight or obese as if you're not. 10 times - that's a huge number! Now, the people that picked on it didn't listen to the whole podcast. Beause what I was equally saying was that doesn't mean pick on anybody who's overweight for crying out loud.

That just means that somebody who's overweight telling somebody to lose weight. just telling them to do that is the equivalent of telling somebody in quicksand just to get out quicksand. There's, there's an addiction, element to this that needs to be heavily taken into account.

It just happened to be a fact, and I think immunity, which is what you were just kind of talking about there, is like, look, flood your system with as much of this stuff as you can. Even if you can't get off of the bad stuff, you know, we still need the good stuff.

Alesha Dixon: that's right.

Jason Vale: just at least put some of this stuff into

It's 

Alesha Dixon: trying to find balance as well. You've got to be the observer of your, your body and your mind, and really see the positives and the negatives and what you're doing. Like for me, like good rule of thumb, I'll be great, like Monday to Friday, I'm really good. And then I allow myself to just do what I want on the weekend and that actually is a really good balance because then for the majority of the week, I'm putting in goodness, and then if I want a glass of wine or I want my pasta or I want some chocolate, whatever, then I don't have to feel guilty about it because I've worked out Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and I've been healthy.

So therefore I can allow that treat on the weekend

Jason Vale: And that's about routine. You see now you've, you've obviously kept to a level of routine during lockdown. And the ones that really suffered are the ones that have allowed routine to go. And, routine is so important. It doesn't matter. This is what people misunderstand. It doesn't matter how much money you got.

It doesn't matter how well known you are. the point is you can't, people say you can buy health. You can't buy health. I'm sorry. I disagree with that. You have to still do it. You have to, you know, the point is, it's the one thing that's, yeah, you might get a tummy tuck or this, that, and the other but you haven't bought health, and really is that discipline and five days a week, anybody out there, if you can discipline yourself to some extent for five days or to be more accurate, four and three quarter days, it's Friday night after all.

So four and three quarter days because it's what you do the majority of the time that determines your health.  End of story. The majority of the time. And can we deal with the odd bit of chocolate? Course we can. Our bodies were designed to deal with a little bit of anything, and it's really refreshing hearing that from you, Alicia, as well, because a lot of people will make a false assumption that you eat nothing but avocados.

Alesha Dixon: Well, the thing with me, I mean, I think, you know, if anyone does follow me, I mean, I'm not somebody that overposts, but I'm the kind of person, you will see me posting my juice or my salad or whatever, but then you'll see me posting some brownies that I made. you know what I mean? I'm very normal in that respect. Of course I get cravings for bad things, but I think I've learned quickly... I say quickly. It's probably taken me a long time to get there, but I've learned and I've learned how I feel when I'm being kind to myself and I know the difference and how tired and sluggish I am if seven days a week I'm being reckless with my food versus seven days a week, I'm mindful. Treat myself every now and then, and that works for me. The first couple of weeks of lockdown, Jase, I was a nightmare. I'd just be baking all the time. I was drinking loads of wine. I was like, this is great. And then after two weeks I was like, this is going to be a long three, four months if I keep doing this every week.

And so I snapped out of it quickly and I kind of got focused again.

Jason Vale: Well, they said delay. There's a post that went around. As harsh as it was. They said, you're either going to come out of lockdown and there's four options. You're either going to come out and what was it now? A hunk. A chunk. He said, you're either going to come up.

Alesha Dixon: Monk.

Jason Vale: Um, no, that was a monk was number one. A monk, a hunk.

A chunk or a drunk.

Alesha Dixon: I shouldn't laugh. Sorry.

Jason Vale: No, but it's true. And I looked, I thought, yeah, I get. Do you know what a lot of people I think as well, they just went, you know, and I kind of got the psyche, I kind of got it because you just went, you suddenly realize you're not in control of your life. You think you are, but you're not.

And then you suddenly realized that the bigger picture people make rules for you that you inevitably have

Alesha Dixon: it. But you just hit the nail on the head there by, you're sort of out of control. So. Okay. So what discipline and control can you create within your household? So I set myself a challenge where I have to work out three times a week without fail for 12 weeks. And I'm on week eight at the 

Jason Vale: moment.

Oh, 

Alesha Dixon: nice.

And that's really helped me cause no matter how I'm feeling about, I've got to stick to this plan cause I don't like to fail.

Jason Vale: But I think with any of those challenges, we do a 21 day challenge. But any of those challenges, like you've done the 12 week challenge there, three times a week, I'd always advocate to people whenever they make a challenge of that nature. It doesn't matter what week you're in. If you miss one day, you have to go back to the beginning. That's the rule!

Alesha Dixon: Whoa, wow. Yeah. That's really good!

Jason Vale: Well then you're more likely to continue, aren't 

Alesha Dixon: you?

Yes, 

Jason Vale: absolutely.

I mean, you've just got to start again. I mean,

Alesha Dixon: It feels like a sense of achievement, though, once you get through your week and you've actually stuck to your plan.

Jason Vale: But then you can reward... If you do like a glass of wine, there's an argument sake on a Saturday night. You can, you genuinely going to enjoy it way more as a sense of whatever people have reward, whatever it is, right But, you're bound to appreciate it more, whatever it is, little bit of food, or whatever the case is, than if you had it every single day from morning till night, you're just...

Alesha Dixon: Well, that's it. I mean, I've set myself Fridays as my day to sort of do what I want,  have, my wine, whatever, whatever. And then if I have a wobble in the week and I feel like a glass of wine or some chocolate or some crisps, and I do that on a Tuesday, I say, okay, that's fine. Accept it. Don't beat yourself up about it, but then you can't have it on Friday because you've had it on Tuesday and that's it.

He me

Jason Vale: imagine you having a wobble at all of any kind.

of senior body

now. I've seen your

Alesha Dixon: No, when I say a wobble, like it's an emotional thing as well. It's like us women, you know, we're up and down like many moods of Moses.

Jason Vale: You know, you say that though me and Kate have this thing and Kate sometimes, I mean, I don't care how this sounds to anybody listening, because you know, too old in the tooth, not these. So he's one of those that after awhile you just go, look, I am who I am. That's the way 

Alesha Dixon: it is

Yeah,

Jason Vale: And uh, but she says, Oh,  are you on your period?

She does that to me, right? I, and I honestly, genuinely and I, this was a few years ago and I says to her, you joke, I said to her, I said, but there are times when guys have a couple of days and now it's not clearly a period, obviously, but there's something that happens, right? Couple of days, you know, in a month it could be, but what we tend to do shut what a lot of men do.

That's why they have a cave. They just go introvert. They cut off and what they want. They don't want to be around anyone. Like I don't want to be around

Alesha Dixon: or to have to explain yourself.

Jason Vale: to be, and I don't want Kate to see that side of, I don't want anybody to see that side of me.

Alesha Dixon: Right?

Jason Vale: And yet it's an, yeah, I just want to deal with it.

I'm going to come away for two days. God. See, I nearly went into a bit of patois but I've got to be careful. Look,see, I've got caught out . see look , so I grew up in ,obviously Southeast London, Peckham, right? In my classroom right There was me and one other white guy. Everybody else was ethnic minority at the time, whatever the case is.

And so of course, naturally. Naturally I picked up patios not because I was trying to emulate, or anything else. It was just one of them things of his

Alesha Dixon: Yeah.

Jason Vale: and I'm not, and so somebody will listen to this and go, oh my God. You can't even do that, Jase, this, that and the other

Alesha Dixon: Yes, you can.

Jason Vale: but he's already, it's all relative

Alesha Dixon: It's all relative.

Jason Vale: to, to where I suppose where you, the kind of environment you come

Alesha Dixon: Well, you know.

Jason Vale: one parent family, this, that, and the other. But I have to, I'll be honest, it would be like an American accent or any other accent. I sometimes have to stop my, honestly, I

Alesha Dixon: Do you know who you can be like that around? You can be your authentic self around me. You don't have to

Jason Vale: No, I get that. But sometimes I've been doing a seminar, somebody said something in a bit of patois, and I've sat, I remember saying through a mic saying, you know, like 'yes mi lil' bredren, mi hear yoo' and, and they just, literally, they, they nearly nearly  lost it. And, and, and so, you know, for those that are listening, I'll say, well, medical line, that means that means hello my friend. How are you? Just in case people don't. Now

Alesha Dixon: Oh, brilliant. Brilliant.

Jason Vale: It's all too silly, innit? It's all to silly, I'm going to get wrapped for this. I know I am!  But anyway. Listen We've nearly come to the end of this. Great take-homes for people there as well about health and nutrition. So thank you for putting the record straight about juicing and this, that, and the other. I was reading stuff and I'm just going to finish with some of these. So this is like the CV stuff, but I didn't know your first ever single, that you, bought was Salt-N-Pepa

Alesha Dixon: Yes. Salt-N-Pepa, Push it.

 It was really cool  I was touring with Mis-Teeq, we used to have a little section the show where we would do all those songs, the first songs that we brought as kids, and we did like a whole mashup medley of it. Yeah. Like no one forgets the first song that they bought, do they?

Jason Vale: No. their first concert. Can you remember your first concert?

Alesha Dixon: My first concert was, and I'm honored to say it, was Michael Jackson Bad, and I think I was about, 12. And I remember my mom's best friend brought her a ticket and didn't get me one, and I was absolutely devastated and I was so upset. Because I remember being a little kid and saying if there's anything I can achieve, in my life, I want to go to a Michael Jackson concert. And so I was so upset, she got me a ticket and I went and it was incredible. I mean, pretty high,

Jason Vale: I'm jealous as hell. Because you tell me that is the equivalent of, I suppose someone like Tom Jones saying, I went to go and see Elvis, you know, and it's just like, you know, anybody who's seen Michael Jackson or anybody who's seen Elvis, these are certain people... or Prince. I mean, I was lucky enough to see Prince  at Hop Farm Festival, um, who I still think was the best live act, other than you, that I've ever seen!

Alesha Dixon: Say that to all your friends?

Jason Vale: my, in my, in my life. Um, what a great, I wish, you know, you're telling your first concert was Michael Jackson. I don't even, I don't even want to,

Alesha Dixon: So it was downhill from there. Really?

Jason Vale: I'm not even, I'm not even going to tell you who, who very

Alesha Dixon: No, go on. Who? Who was it.

Jason Vale: I can't even bring, I can't

Alesha Dixon: Oh, cool. Have it.

Who was it?

Jason Vale: King Creole and the Coconuts, King Creole and the coconuts. Oh come on, you got to Google them afterwards. And my second one was Kim Wilde.

Alesha Dixon: Oh, she's, from my area, actually, Kim Wilde,  she's a Hertfordshire girl.

Jason Vale: Yeah. She, I was a huge fan of hers

Alesha Dixon: Yeah. Like Kim.

Jason Vale: when I was young. Yeah. I was a huge 

Alesha Dixon: fan.

Was really cool. I got to go see Michael Jackson, The Dangerous Tour as well. It's just pretty

incredible. Our friend Gary, I've been to quite a lot of Take That concerts, and they're pretty amazing as well, aren't 

Jason Vale: they?

Do you know why he puts on a show? Doesn't he.

Alesha Dixon: He certainly does, but I used to go to all the Take That concerts when I was about 13

Jason Vale: Isn't that funny though, because I, went to the Take That concerts and then it's weird. You know, years 

Alesha Dixon: later 

go back. Yeah.

Jason Vale: It's kind of weird, when Gary was on the retreat, for argument's sake, and we're doing literally on the rebounding, Never Forget. I'm like,

Alesha Dixon: Exactly. I've climbed a mountain with Gary and wrote a song with him!

Jason Vale: Well, I'm coming on to...

I'm coming on to that. Because, yeah, you did and you went out with Cheryl Cole, Kimberly Walsh, Ben Shepherd, Ronan Keating, Fearne Cotton, Chris Moyles,  also, I did podcast Chris Moyles, if you haven't had a chance to listen to it. We talk about 

Alesha Dixon: this.

I love Chris. I love 

Jason Vale: Chris!

It's the funniest... second funniest podcast. This is the funniest, obviously, but the second funniest podcast was Chris Moyles.

Um, but he was telling me that he was one of the fastest up there, despite the fact he was a chain smoker.

Alesha Dixon: Yeah. But that's to do with, because of the altitude, apparently smokers 

Jason Vale: correct. 

Alesha Dixon: able to cope with it more. I never forget that moment actually. Cause I was actually, this is quite interesting. I was the last one out of the nine that made it to the top.

Jason Vale: Wow.

Alesha Dixon: Yeah, and I remember seeing Chris on the way back, and we both just burst into tears.

We gave eachother the biggest hog, it was a very spiritual, emotional, incredibly joyful experience. One of the best I've ever had in my life.

Jason Vale: And have you, and have you kept, can, I mean, it's so many years ago now, but if you can see 11 years ago, so did you, did you keep connected to Cheryl, Kimberly or Ben or Ronan?

Alesha Dixon:  

Yeah, like, all of us have got that connection. We know that we'll never lose that. And in our own different ways, we've all connected. Obviously, Cheryl. I mean, I've known Cheryl for years, and obviously we got to do The Greatest Dancer together recently.

recently. And yeah, so there's that fondness there, between all of us.

Jason Vale: But it's some thing!  I mean climbing Mount Kilimanjaro! I mean people don't know what they don't know. The fittest person on ground level isn't necessarily the fitness person  at altitude, and people get a false sense of security when they're going to climb base camp or they're going to climb Mount Kilimanjaro. Um, so Chris

Alesha Dixon: It's a real battle, like a personal battle when you're on the mountain. It reminds me of that scene in Forest Gump. Do you remember where they go out on the boat and the guy? Yeah. Do you remember that guy that lost his legs and he was having that battle with God.

And then with the storm, and then he was just floating in this peaceful kind of bliss where he kind of let go of all his anger. That's how I fell on the mountain.

Jason Vale: You finally

Alesha Dixon: I was just... you literally you're at war with the elements and it's all coming at you. It's 

Jason Vale: crazy.

I want to do it. What advice would you give, would you say to people to do or would you say, don't do it? No, no, no, because I've had a few people say, don't do it. Don't do it. They just said,

On 

Alesha Dixon: a serious note, I mean, there's only two things got me to do it. One, the fact that Gary asked me, and you don't say no to Gary.

Jason Vale: You don't say no to Gary Barlow. It's one of those things, isn't it? You just

don't.

Alesha Dixon: Smart 

Jason Vale: man

The people that shook Sinatra's hand. You don't say, you know, it's the same rule of thumb. You don't say no to Gary Bartlow!

Alesha Dixon: Exactly. the fact that it was for charity, I would not have done it for fun. I actually have a friend who likes climbing mountains for fun.

She's crazy. But for me, like the reason that I was there, I got to go into the villages. I got to spend time with, local nurses and, and I kept those people at the forefront of my mind the whole time I was climbing. So if you've got genuine reason or something that you're fighting for, yes.

For fun, no.

Jason Vale: Okay, fine. Because there was huge amounts of money that you guys raised. It was mental.

Alesha Dixon: I think it was 3 

Jason Vale: million.

It was insane. I mean you're going back 11 years, three million's still a lot today, but you go back 11 years, then it was... 

Now a couple of things I didn't know. Right? 

voiced a character, Bliss in the popular children's cartoon, The Powerpuff Girls...

Alesha Dixon: Now this I love because I'm a huge fan of The Powerpuff Girls, the original, girls of power and yes, I got to voice Bliss, and my daughter, Azura, loves the program.

Jason Vale: Oh, good!

Alesha Dixon: And I got to do a voiceover in Doc McStuffins as well, which some parents...

Jason Vale: And does she know is you? Does Azura know it's you?

Alesha Dixon: She does. She understands now. 

Jason Vale: Yeah.  

Alesha Dixon: But 

Jason Vale: Yeah. Well, she's 

Alesha Dixon: that, I love doing voiceovers and I would absolutely.

That's one of the things I still would love to achieve is to do a voiceover in a movie and you know

Jason Vale: Like a children's movie type-thing?

Alesha Dixon: Oh, yeah. Like in an animation.  It's so 

Jason Vale: fun.

Well, wouldn't you do the anim...? Surely you'll, be putting yourself forward to do the animation of the first one of Lightning Girl that becomes a movie right?

Alesha Dixon: Well, that would be amazing, wouldn't it?

Jason Vale: No. But honestly, I read, the first Lightning Girl, and we'll come onto that. And you've done a few more there.  I think it's just such a great, I mean, more needed now than ever.

We know why. We all know the reasons why, without getting into politics, because it's meant to be a politic free podcast. But it's hard...

Alesha Dixon: It's more important for me that the movie gets made versus me actually voicing a character in the movie. That would just be

Jason Vale: No, exactly. Well, I think the movie, I think, I think the movie, if there's ever a time that a movie will now be picked up of this nature, it is now, I think.

Alesha Dixon: Well, let's fingers crossed cause that's what 

Jason Vale: I'm kind of working on.

It will now. I think it will,

Alesha Dixon: I need to come to Juicy Oasis and make the phone call to Dreamworks and Pixar!

Pixar We should 

Honestly, 

Jason Vale: you joke. We should test it

as  

Alesha Dixon: soon as you're open, let me know, please. I'll be 

Jason Vale: on the first 

flight out there

God, I honestly can't, just can't wait to. How many Lightning Girls are there now, by the way?

Alesha Dixon: there's four books in the series. And I actually released another book, at the beginning of this year called Star Switch, which is for pre-teens. It's kind of like a modern take on Freaky Friday, which is great. And I'm actually in development for my next book, which is not coming out 'til next year, but the idea is absolutely brilliant but I can't say

Jason Vale: Oh, you don't, you don't stop. Well, I actually, I've started running a little children's book. I think everybody's doing it, 

Alesha Dixon: aren't they?

Oh fab! I mean, it's so much fun because your imagination can run wild. There are no rights or wrong, you know, when it comes to children's books and having children and seeing what they love, it really does inspire you to kind of want to get into that world. It's

Jason Vale: It's amazing. I've never read children's books. I've never, I

Alesha Dixon: Well, are you writing a children's book about? Juices?

Jason Vale: yeah. Well, it is. JJ is JJ and the Magic Juice.

Alesha Dixon: Oh, 

Jason Vale: I 

Alesha Dixon: love it already!

Jason Vale: JJ and the Magic Juice,  and every single different juice has its own, um, special powers. So one can make you read, one can make you read better, providing you do these things to help it along

Alesha Dixon: Oh, I love it! What age group will that be for then?

Jason Vale: It will probably be for three, kind of

Alesha Dixon: Oh, good. So

Jason Vale: two, two and a half, three,

Alesha Dixon: good. So Anaya will be able to enjoy that one?

Jason Vale: It's one of those, it's JJ and the Magic Juice. And it's just like say... because he's obsessed with Superman at the moment. He's obsessed with anybody's  who's got any super powers. And I just

Oh, thought, 

Alesha Dixon: fantastic!

Jason Vale: Well, we've all got super powers.

Every one of us have got a superpower. We just need to try and

Alesha Dixon: That's right. It's

Jason Vale: pinpoint where that superpower is. And I think there's time more than ever now is to understand instead of sitting down saying, well, you know, actually I don't have any superpowers because this is what's happening to me. Saying yeah, but what can you do?

Maybe you do have a super power.  Maybe you need 

Alesha Dixon: to get up.

That's right, but that's why I created the Lightning Girl series. And when you read the book and you read some of motivation behind it. Even though Lightning Girl was a superhero, it took a whole team of people. It took collaborating with others to make things work and make things happen. And I think if subliminally you can plant these little messages into children where they suddenly think, actually, I'm really special.

I'm different to that person, and that's okay, but I have something unique to bring to the world. That's what it's about tapping into not following what everybody else is 

Jason Vale: doing.

No, absolutely. Because all of us are different. Everybody's different.

Alesha Dixon: And that's the beauty.

Jason Vale: is different and you can't look at other people and go, I wish I was like them

Alesha Dixon: It's about learning from them, not trying to not 

Jason Vale: You learn from them and you go, how can I be the best version of myself? Because at the end of the day, I can work out 'til the cows come home

I'm not gonna look like Brad Pitt, and that's the way it is and I need to, and I need to accept this. It's taken me years to accept it, but I just need to understand that it's just not going to happen.

I tell you 

Alesha Dixon: what Jase, your calves could give him a run for his money.

Jason Vale: That's about the only thing, you know, it's all I've got all I've got are my calves. People always go, what do you do for your legs?

What do you do for your legs? And I go, I bounce on a trampoline and whatever. I don't. I played football as a kid. That's why. And I think anybody listening that's young, by the way, listen, you're shaped when you're young, right? So. You do whatever you need to do while you're young.

I just, I just keep doing it that way. Alicia, I honestly, I can't thank you enough. It's been a such a giggle and I've learned quite a lot as well. I think we've crossed a lot of stuff. Congratulations on America's Got Talent. 

Alesha Dixon: Thank you so 

Jason Vale: much

and of course, Britain's got talent. Britain's Got Talent, obviously, you normally come to the retreat a week before the lives, but presumably there's no lives, happening, or are they.

Alesha Dixon: Well, we're waiting to find out, but we're thinking around September, October. But we haven't been given any official dates, an official venue, but it's looking like they're going to happen. Whether we have an audience or not, is yet to be seen. So we have to wait.

Jason Vale: Oh, you think they should do? I mean, we live in such a weird world that everybody's going, you know, if you, stand shoulder to shoulder then your gonna kill people. That's what people are saying, because obviously you're not two meters apart. But yet at the same time, there's tons of people out at the same time going shoulder to shoulder, see which one wins,

Alesha Dixon: I know. It was crazy.

Jason Vale: and you're like what you do? It's a crazy time we're living in. But the good news about COVID at the moment, as we're recording this, for those that are listening, we're coming out, Spain's coming out UK to coming out there looks like there's some, some good news on the horizon and it looks like.

We're 

Alesha Dixon: coming 

Jason Vale: out!

Oh, listen. On that note, I'll leave with this, I promise. I, well, otherwise I'll talk all day. You know I will. Right? So, I was on the spinning bike earlier this morning and I thought right I'll change the playlist and everything else, and then ' We Are Family'. Right? I thought that'd be a good one to spin to, right?

Now, without Googling cause I didn't Google or anything else. But it does sound to me So it goes, it sounds like we're making love, we're making love in a Femidom! And I'm sure it's not

Alesha Dixon: No? Huh?

Jason Vale: Because a femidom, for those that don't know, is a female condom. But now next time you hear this song, I guarantee you will never be able to hear it again without hearing.

We're making 

Alesha Dixon: love in a Femidom...

oh my God,

he just said that.

Jason Vale: What are the words?

Alesha Dixon: Um, I'm not sure.

Jason Vale: You see!  

Alesha Dixon: That's 

Jason Vale: all. I will leave it there. I think it's a great place to leave it.

Alesha Dixon: Oh God, 

Jason Vale: I can't believe you...

know. I can't believe I said it either, Leesh. It's terrible, really! Meant to be very serious podcast, this, you know!  Listen, thank you very much for your input and everything. Nice little bit of a sing song coming on as well. Going on.

I love you, hun Love you too,  It's Alesha Dixon, everybody!  Come 

Alesha Dixon: on!

Thank you. 

Jason Vale: It's Alesha Dixon!