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Anything you can do"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2043.78,"endTime":2046.57,"body":"to help them this good thing?"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2046.84,"endTime":2048.4,"body":"Yeah, it's"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2046.84,"endTime":2048.4,"body":"interesting. Like that song. I"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2048.4,"endTime":2051.43,"body":"don't care about you. You're not"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2048.4,"endTime":2051.43,"body":"saying like, I don't it's more"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2051.43,"endTime":2054.31,"body":"like a commentary that people"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2051.43,"endTime":2054.31,"body":"don't give a shit about these"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2054.31,"endTime":2056.41,"body":"other people, which I thought"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2054.31,"endTime":2056.41,"body":"was really cool. When I heard"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2056.41,"endTime":2058.3,"body":"that. I was like, Oh, that's so"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2056.41,"endTime":2058.3,"body":"different than what I thought"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2058.3,"endTime":2059.62,"body":"that song was about. Yes."},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2059.65,"endTime":2063.01,"body":"It's not it's not just"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2059.65,"endTime":2063.01,"body":"blatantly complaining about my"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2063.01,"endTime":2068.68,"body":"fellow human beings. It's it's"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2063.01,"endTime":2068.68,"body":"about my fellow beings being"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2068.68,"endTime":2074.32,"body":"more caring with language that's"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2068.68,"endTime":2074.32,"body":"never been used to promote a"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2074.32,"endTime":2082.27,"body":"message like that. And somehow"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2074.32,"endTime":2082.27,"body":"it it gets through. 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Don't understand"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2103.51,"endTime":2107.02,"body":"and laugh at them for not"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2107.02,"endTime":2112.87,"body":"understanding it. Exactly. get"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2107.02,"endTime":2112.87,"body":"you to the home plate in a big"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2112.87,"endTime":2116.56,"body":"time way. Absolutely. In some"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2112.87,"endTime":2116.56,"body":"cases that's deserved. Not at"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2116.56,"endTime":2122.74,"body":"all. You know, you have to be"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2116.56,"endTime":2122.74,"body":"careful and make sure you're,"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2123.01,"endTime":2125.14,"body":"you're promoting progress."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2125.47,"endTime":2128.5,"body":"Absolutely. Well,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2125.47,"endTime":2128.5,"body":"thanks so much, Lee. You're a"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2128.5,"endTime":2130.6,"body":"legend. I appreciate you taking"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2128.5,"endTime":2130.6,"body":"the time to do this. It's"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2130.6,"endTime":2131.17,"body":"amazing."},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2131.29,"endTime":2134.44,"body":"Yes, sir. Let's stay"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2131.29,"endTime":2134.44,"body":"in touch. Okay, sounds good."},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2134.5,"endTime":2137.38,"body":"When we sign off here, let's"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2134.5,"endTime":2137.38,"body":"let's give each other a phone"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2137.38,"endTime":2142.63,"body":"call every now and again. And"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2137.38,"endTime":2142.63,"body":"stuff like that. It's amazing."},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2142.63,"endTime":2146.26,"body":"Yeah. Thank you. It's been my"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2142.63,"endTime":2146.26,"body":"pleasure. And thank you for"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2146.26,"endTime":2149.8,"body":"having me. Okay, finally, all"},{"speaker":"Lee Ving","startTime":2146.26,"endTime":2149.8,"body":"the best to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2150.43,"endTime":2152.95,"body":"write, thank you to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2150.43,"endTime":2152.95,"body":"leave for taking the time to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2152.95,"endTime":2156.61,"body":"come on my show. And to Robert"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2152.95,"endTime":2156.61,"body":"for helping set this up. It's"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2156.61,"endTime":2159.61,"body":"always fun to talk to someone of"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2156.61,"endTime":2159.61,"body":"that stature. I think he was"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2159.73,"endTime":2163.39,"body":"massively influential to a lot"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2159.73,"endTime":2163.39,"body":"of musicians and these punk"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2163.39,"endTime":2166.9,"body":"rockers in the late 70s and 80s,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2163.39,"endTime":2166.9,"body":"they really created a whole new"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2166.9,"endTime":2169.6,"body":"genre of music, which hasn't"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2166.9,"endTime":2169.6,"body":"been done in a very long time."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2169.6,"endTime":2173.89,"body":"So Lee is very talented as an"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2169.6,"endTime":2173.89,"body":"actor, and he not only plays"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2173.89,"endTime":2176.35,"body":"punk music, but he also has a"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2173.89,"endTime":2176.35,"body":"jazz record. So we'll have to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2176.35,"endTime":2179.68,"body":"talk about that next time. In"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2176.35,"endTime":2179.68,"body":"the meantime, make sure to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2179.68,"endTime":2183.55,"body":"follow me on social media for"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2179.68,"endTime":2183.55,"body":"updates on the new music and the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2183.55,"endTime":2187.09,"body":"new documentary should be a lot"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2183.55,"endTime":2187.09,"body":"of fun. And while you're on"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2187.09,"endTime":2191.29,"body":"social media, please give me a"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2187.09,"endTime":2191.29,"body":"follow as well, I would love to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2191.32,"endTime":2194.17,"body":"see that. And please make sure"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2191.32,"endTime":2194.17,"body":"to subscribe to the show on"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2194.17,"endTime":2197.29,"body":"YouTube or wherever you watch or"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2194.17,"endTime":2197.29,"body":"listen to make sure that you'll"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2197.29,"endTime":2200.77,"body":"get immediate updates on when I"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2197.29,"endTime":2200.77,"body":"release a new episode, which"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2200.77,"endTime":2204.67,"body":"lately is quite often. So I've"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2200.77,"endTime":2204.67,"body":"got a few completed that I need"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2204.67,"endTime":2207.22,"body":"to get out. And then I'll be"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2204.67,"endTime":2207.22,"body":"scheduling for future ones. 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So hopefully we'll"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2230.2,"endTime":2232.72,"body":"have some really great guests"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2230.2,"endTime":2232.72,"body":"coming up here. So thank you so"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2232.72,"endTime":2236.29,"body":"much for watching or listening."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2232.72,"endTime":2236.29,"body":"Have a great rest of your day"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2236.29,"endTime":2237.88,"body":"and remember to shoot for the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2236.29,"endTime":2237.88,"body":"moon"}]}