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It's interesting."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1760.28,"endTime":1761.3,"body":"You're so nice."},{"speaker":"Ann Wilson","startTime":1761.51,"endTime":1764.87,"body":"Some of them are"},{"speaker":"Ann Wilson","startTime":1761.51,"endTime":1764.87,"body":"pretty, uh, pretty intrusive in"},{"speaker":"Ann Wilson","startTime":1764.87,"endTime":1769.28,"body":"a weird way. Or they don't want"},{"speaker":"Ann Wilson","startTime":1764.87,"endTime":1769.28,"body":"to talk about anything. On a"},{"speaker":"Ann Wilson","startTime":1769.28,"endTime":1773.81,"body":"higher level, they just want to"},{"speaker":"Ann Wilson","startTime":1769.28,"endTime":1773.81,"body":"talk about the old days or, or"},{"speaker":"Ann Wilson","startTime":1773.84,"endTime":1776.93,"body":"what went wrong and how how did"},{"speaker":"Ann Wilson","startTime":1773.84,"endTime":1776.93,"body":"you feel you know, stuff like"},{"speaker":"Ann Wilson","startTime":1776.93,"endTime":1781.73,"body":"that? 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