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And"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":2959.74,"endTime":2963.16,"body":"like, you know, they broke my"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":2959.74,"endTime":2963.16,"body":"heart my whole life and it was"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2963.16,"endTime":2965.41,"body":"like 100 years they"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2963.16,"endTime":2965.41,"body":"had gone or something crazy like"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2965.41,"endTime":2965.74,"body":"that right?"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":2965.77,"endTime":2969.28,"body":"over 100 108"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":2965.77,"endTime":2969.28,"body":"years. Yeah. So when they"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":2969.28,"endTime":2974.95,"body":"finally want it was like, Oh my"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":2969.28,"endTime":2974.95,"body":"gosh, man was crazy."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2974.98,"endTime":2977.56,"body":"Yeah, the curse is"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2974.98,"endTime":2977.56,"body":"over there called the curse was"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2977.56,"endTime":2979.78,"body":"it the curse of the way was that"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2977.56,"endTime":2979.78,"body":"the one was The Curse of the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2979.78,"endTime":2982.42,"body":"Bambino because they had traded"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2979.78,"endTime":2982.42,"body":"Babe Ruth or something. Well,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2982.42,"endTime":2982.54,"body":"that"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":2982.54,"endTime":2985.72,"body":"was the Red Sox."},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":2982.54,"endTime":2985.72,"body":"Oh, that's right. Yeah. Babe"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":2985.72,"endTime":2987.37,"body":"Ruth to the Yankees. Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2987.4,"endTime":2989.32,"body":"was the Cubs the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2987.4,"endTime":2989.32,"body":"one where it was like a goat"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2989.32,"endTime":2990.76,"body":"walked on the field or"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2989.32,"endTime":2990.76,"body":"something? That's"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":2991.96,"endTime":2996.85,"body":"yeah, shows you"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":2991.96,"endTime":2996.85,"body":"how old the curse was? What the"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":2996.85,"endTime":3002.19,"body":"hell you're talking about a goat"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":2996.85,"endTime":3002.19,"body":"for Yeah, me kicked out. I"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3002.19,"endTime":3007.23,"body":"forget the exact story, but they"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3002.19,"endTime":3007.23,"body":"had kicked out a guy who worked"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3007.23,"endTime":3011.43,"body":"for them. Or he ran the billy"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3007.23,"endTime":3011.43,"body":"goat tavern, I think and he had"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3011.43,"endTime":3014.13,"body":"the goat in there and they"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3011.43,"endTime":3014.13,"body":"kicked him because of it. 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Whereas like, you"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3044.76,"endTime":3048.75,"body":"know, 84 they were up to games"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3048.75,"endTime":3051.6,"body":"to none there was only one round"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3048.75,"endTime":3051.6,"body":"to playoffs back then does the"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3051.6,"endTime":3053.85,"body":"five and they won the first two"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3051.6,"endTime":3053.85,"body":"is like they're going to the"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3053.85,"endTime":3059.22,"body":"World Series man. lost three in"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3053.85,"endTime":3059.22,"body":"a row. And 2003 They were up"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3059.22,"endTime":3061.8,"body":"three games to one. 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So"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3093.36,"endTime":3096.09,"body":"crazy. You know"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3093.36,"endTime":3096.09,"body":"your sports. That's pretty cool."},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3096.87,"endTime":3098.94,"body":"Yeah, maybe"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3096.87,"endTime":3098.94,"body":"that's my getaway."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3099.18,"endTime":3101.28,"body":"That's your Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3099.18,"endTime":3101.28,"body":"you got to have like something"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3101.28,"endTime":3103.95,"body":"else? Because like, yeah, you go"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3101.28,"endTime":3103.95,"body":"crazy if you're just only doing"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3104.16,"endTime":3105.24,"body":"music. So"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3106.62,"endTime":3108.45,"body":"yeah, that's my"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3106.62,"endTime":3108.45,"body":"getaway, for sure."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3108.54,"endTime":3110.4,"body":"Very cool. Well,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3108.54,"endTime":3110.4,"body":"thank you so much for doing"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3110.4,"endTime":3114.18,"body":"this. I think last time you were"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3110.4,"endTime":3114.18,"body":"on, we promoted the Salvation"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3114.18,"endTime":3116.55,"body":"Army at the end. 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And I'll put"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3123.75,"endTime":3126.03,"body":"all the website and"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3123.75,"endTime":3126.03,"body":"everything in the show notes."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3126.03,"endTime":3128.64,"body":"And then I'll tag you on all the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3126.03,"endTime":3128.64,"body":"social media if you want to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3128.64,"endTime":3129.78,"body":"share it or anything like that."},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3130.049,"endTime":3132.389,"body":"I will. Thank you"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3130.049,"endTime":3132.389,"body":"so much. Thanks so much. Bye"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3132.389,"endTime":3134.879,"body":"about the other day. Oh, no"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3132.389,"endTime":3134.879,"body":"problem. Yeah. Oh, sorry about"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3134.879,"endTime":3139.169,"body":"that, dude. So worked out. All"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3134.879,"endTime":3139.169,"body":"right. To the best of us, I"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3139.169,"endTime":3140.549,"body":"guess, man. Yeah. All"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3140.549,"endTime":3142.589,"body":"right. Well,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3140.549,"endTime":3142.589,"body":"definitely. Hopefully, you'll do"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3142.589,"endTime":3145.469,"body":"a show in Phoenix or somewhere"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3142.589,"endTime":3145.469,"body":"nearby where I can drive to and"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3145.469,"endTime":3148.049,"body":"see Whitesnake. I've never seen"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3145.469,"endTime":3148.049,"body":"him. So that'd be amazing. All"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3148.049,"endTime":3150.779,"body":"right, cool. All right. All"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3148.049,"endTime":3150.779,"body":"right, dude. See you later."},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3151.08,"endTime":3151.92,"body":"Thank you so"},{"speaker":"Joel Hoekstra","startTime":3151.08,"endTime":3151.92,"body":"much. But"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3152.759,"endTime":3155.189,"body":"thanks so much to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3152.759,"endTime":3155.189,"body":"Joel make sure to check out"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3155.189,"endTime":3159.719,"body":"iconic and all his other work."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3155.189,"endTime":3159.719,"body":"Follow him on social media for"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3159.719,"endTime":3162.869,"body":"updates. And while you're on"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3159.719,"endTime":3162.869,"body":"there, please give me a follow"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3162.869,"endTime":3166.619,"body":"up or the show. I will post"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3162.869,"endTime":3166.619,"body":"short preview clips of the show"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3166.859,"endTime":3170.909,"body":"on Instagram and Tiktok Tiktok."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3166.859,"endTime":3170.909,"body":"So check those out. And check"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3170.909,"endTime":3173.249,"body":"out some of my other interviews."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3170.909,"endTime":3173.249,"body":"I've had lots of other great"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3173.249,"endTime":3176.399,"body":"musicians including other guitar"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3173.249,"endTime":3176.399,"body":"players like Steve Stevens, Paul"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3176.399,"endTime":3180.899,"body":"Gilbert Andy Timmons, bumblefoot"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3176.399,"endTime":3180.899,"body":"Kiko Loureiro from Megadeth, and"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3180.899,"endTime":3184.829,"body":"tons more and once again, I will"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3180.899,"endTime":3184.829,"body":"remind you to subscribe to the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3184.829,"endTime":3188.429,"body":"show. 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Have a great"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3197.549,"endTime":3200.999,"body":"rest of your day and remember to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3200.999,"endTime":3201.809,"body":"shoot for the moon."}]}