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So make sure to subscribe"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2722.349,"endTime":2726.069,"body":"or follow on social media so"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2726.099,"endTime":2729.159,"body":"you'll be up to date with future"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2726.099,"endTime":2729.159,"body":"episodes. And we're gonna have"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2729.159,"endTime":2732.849,"body":"some great artists on the show"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2729.159,"endTime":2732.849,"body":"coming up. So stick around for"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2732.849,"endTime":2735.579,"body":"that. And thank you for"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2732.849,"endTime":2735.579,"body":"listening. Have a great rest of"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2735.579,"endTime":2737.499,"body":"your day and remember to shoot"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":2735.579,"endTime":2737.499,"body":"for the moon."}]}