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So who"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1169.94,"endTime":1174.44,"body":"you go to, will be affected by"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1174.47,"endTime":1177.38,"body":"or determined by what you find"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1174.47,"endTime":1177.38,"body":"and where you find it and who"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1177.38,"endTime":1181.4,"body":"you are. If you're just someone"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1177.38,"endTime":1181.4,"body":"in a public setting, finding a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1181.4,"endTime":1185.45,"body":"journal with threats for a mass"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1181.4,"endTime":1185.45,"body":"attack. 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Your school student"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1188.24,"endTime":1192.02,"body":"or parent of a school student."},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1192.32,"endTime":1195.98,"body":"Going to the school would be a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1192.32,"endTime":1195.98,"body":"good first step, though,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1196.04,"endTime":1199.97,"body":"depending how imminent the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1196.04,"endTime":1199.97,"body":"attack appears to be and if lost"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1200.0,"endTime":1203.27,"body":"have been broken, you may want"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1200.0,"endTime":1203.27,"body":"to go straight to the police. 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They may"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1252.35,"endTime":1259.01,"body":"do a better job of keeping their"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1259.01,"endTime":1261.92,"body":"mouth shut, so to speak, not"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1259.01,"endTime":1261.92,"body":"revealing what they're going to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1261.92,"endTime":1265.28,"body":"do. But even so, in hindsight,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1261.92,"endTime":1265.28,"body":"there may be something that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1265.28,"endTime":1269.9,"body":"someone knew or heard, but it"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1265.28,"endTime":1269.9,"body":"would be harder to see that as a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":1269.9,"endTime":1272.84,"body":"threat of impending violence. 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That would be related to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3928.11,"endTime":3930.39,"body":"this or another charity that you"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3928.11,"endTime":3930.39,"body":"want to mention here at the end?"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3930.39,"endTime":3933.0,"body":"If after people buy your book,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3930.39,"endTime":3933.0,"body":"of course, they have some extra"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3933.0,"endTime":3933.78,"body":"money leftover?"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":3935.58,"endTime":3937.44,"body":"You know, I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":3935.58,"endTime":3937.44,"body":"haven't given that any thought."},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":3939.87,"endTime":3942.75,"body":"I don't know what to say in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":3939.87,"endTime":3942.75,"body":"terms of charity or"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":3942.75,"endTime":3943.89,"body":"organization."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3944.04,"endTime":3946.11,"body":"I'll just put"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3944.04,"endTime":3946.11,"body":"something for mental health. 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Thank"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3958.86,"endTime":3961.98,"body":"you so much. Thank you for all"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3961.98,"endTime":3965.01,"body":"the work that you're doing. Like"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3961.98,"endTime":3965.01,"body":"I said, I think you need to be"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3965.01,"endTime":3967.65,"body":"more famous. So I'll do my best"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3965.01,"endTime":3967.65,"body":"part to help you out as much as"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3967.65,"endTime":3968.1,"body":"I can."},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":3968.759,"endTime":3970.469,"body":"Thank you. I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":3968.759,"endTime":3970.469,"body":"appreciate that. Can you put a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Peter Langman","startTime":3970.469,"endTime":3973.169,"body":"link up to my website or? 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Much like you"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3991.41,"endTime":3994.89,"body":"would go to your doctor and get"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3991.41,"endTime":3994.89,"body":"a physical once a year and your"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3994.89,"endTime":3998.46,"body":"dentist every six months for"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3994.89,"endTime":3998.46,"body":"cleaning, you would go to a"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3998.46,"endTime":4001.85,"body":"mental health professional,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3998.46,"endTime":4001.85,"body":"periodically to just check your"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":4001.85,"endTime":4004.52,"body":"mental health, especially if"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":4001.85,"endTime":4004.52,"body":"it's someone at risk. 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I forgot."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":4034.61,"endTime":4038.54,"body":"It's in the show notes. Anyways,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":4034.61,"endTime":4038.54,"body":"please, if you can share this"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":4038.54,"endTime":4042.68,"body":"episode with friends and family"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":4038.54,"endTime":4042.68,"body":"on social media, the more people"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":4042.68,"endTime":4045.68,"body":"that we educate the better"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":4042.68,"endTime":4045.68,"body":"chance we have to stop something"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":4045.68,"endTime":4050.33,"body":"from happening. And remember,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":4045.68,"endTime":4050.33,"body":"we're all on duty. So thank you"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":4050.33,"endTime":4053.27,"body":"for listening. Have a great day"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":4050.33,"endTime":4053.27,"body":"and shoot for the moon."}]}