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If"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3971.13,"endTime":3973.59,"body":"you want to support me and my"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3973.59,"endTime":3976.56,"body":"little show here, you can like"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3973.59,"endTime":3976.56,"body":"comment, share the episode."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3976.8,"endTime":3979.29,"body":"Listen to some of my other"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3976.8,"endTime":3979.29,"body":"episodes, including the ones I"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3979.29,"endTime":3983.22,"body":"mentioned, like Steve Stevens"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3979.29,"endTime":3983.22,"body":"and Wilson and Ted Nugent. Thank"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3983.22,"endTime":3985.95,"body":"you so much for making it all"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3983.22,"endTime":3985.95,"body":"the way through this episode."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3985.95,"endTime":3988.32,"body":"Have a great day and shoot for"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3985.95,"endTime":3988.32,"body":"the moon."}]}