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I'm sure it's on"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2178.66,"endTime":2181.51,"body":"all the streaming platforms can"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2181.51,"endTime":2184.15,"body":"they get? Can people order a"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2181.51,"endTime":2184.15,"body":"physical copy, like a CD or"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2184.15,"endTime":2185.89,"body":"vinyl? Yeah, we're"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2185.89,"endTime":2188.74,"body":"not going to get it"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2185.89,"endTime":2188.74,"body":"on our site for a while. Because"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2189.04,"endTime":2193.93,"body":"right now it's on Amazon and"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2189.04,"endTime":2193.93,"body":"some other sites. And I heard"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2195.22,"endTime":2197.68,"body":"Amazon's been telling people"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2195.22,"endTime":2197.68,"body":"that they're not going to get it"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2197.68,"endTime":2201.07,"body":"till October or something. But I"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2197.68,"endTime":2201.07,"body":"think that's wrong. I think"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2201.16,"endTime":2205.39,"body":"their algorithms or something"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2201.16,"endTime":2205.39,"body":"because they did sell a lot of"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2205.39,"endTime":2211.75,"body":"them a preorder was going to be"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2205.39,"endTime":2211.75,"body":"replenished very soon. So yeah,"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2211.75,"endTime":2216.25,"body":"I guess the best bet would be"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2211.75,"endTime":2216.25,"body":"Amazon right now. And who else?"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2217.09,"endTime":2221.95,"body":"walmart.com or some something"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2217.09,"endTime":2221.95,"body":"like that. Okay. And I think"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2221.95,"endTime":2226.81,"body":"even Tower Records like and then"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2221.95,"endTime":2226.81,"body":"your local record shops, I think"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2227.41,"endTime":2230.38,"body":"little you know, local"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2227.41,"endTime":2230.38,"body":"independent record shops will"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2230.38,"endTime":2231.31,"body":"probably carry it."},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2231.73,"endTime":2233.95,"body":"Very cool. Very"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2231.73,"endTime":2233.95,"body":"cool. Yeah. I look forward to"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2234.46,"endTime":2237.88,"body":"even more new music. And if I"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2234.46,"endTime":2237.88,"body":"can't, I'll try to come see that"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2237.88,"endTime":2239.77,"body":"show. I think it's at the"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2237.88,"endTime":2239.77,"body":"marquee. But I know you guys are"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2239.77,"endTime":2243.01,"body":"doing shows you have dates so"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2239.77,"endTime":2243.01,"body":"people can check the website for"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2243.01,"endTime":2247.36,"body":"current dates on that as well."},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2243.01,"endTime":2247.36,"body":"And, okay, thank you so much,"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2247.36,"endTime":2248.44,"body":"Jim. Anything else?"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2249.73,"endTime":2253.75,"body":"Well, we are we we"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2249.73,"endTime":2253.75,"body":"got the rights back to our"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2253.78,"endTime":2257.38,"body":"Christmas album. Oh, two, seven,"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2253.78,"endTime":2257.38,"body":"and we're reissuing that on"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2257.38,"endTime":2262.33,"body":"vinyl. I just got it in. It's on"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2257.38,"endTime":2262.33,"body":"green vinyl. It's really cool."},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2262.84,"endTime":2268.24,"body":"And I'm releasing a Christmas 45"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2262.84,"endTime":2268.24,"body":"on vinyl. Called it's love on"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2268.24,"endTime":2273.46,"body":"Christmas Day. And, and that's"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2268.24,"endTime":2273.46,"body":"something I recorded back in"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2273.46,"endTime":2279.49,"body":"1995. And I'm just putting it"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2273.46,"endTime":2279.49,"body":"out now. Because of, you know,"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2279.49,"endTime":2282.04,"body":"life getting in the way but"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2279.49,"endTime":2282.04,"body":"there's a lot of material we're"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2282.04,"endTime":2283.57,"body":"gonna put out now."},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2283.96,"endTime":2285.67,"body":"Okay, well, I'm"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2283.96,"endTime":2285.67,"body":"excited to look forward to more"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2285.67,"endTime":2289.15,"body":"of that. And I'm sure all your"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2285.67,"endTime":2289.15,"body":"fans do as well. Yeah. Okay."},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2289.15,"endTime":2291.13,"body":"Thanks so much. All right."},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2289.15,"endTime":2291.13,"body":"Thanks"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2291.13,"endTime":2293.83,"body":"for the time. Okay,"},{"speaker":"Jim Babjak","startTime":2291.13,"endTime":2293.83,"body":"everything. Thanks. Okay,"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2293.83,"endTime":2297.76,"body":"you too. But"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2293.83,"endTime":2297.76,"body":"thanks again to Jim Babb jack"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2297.76,"endTime":2301.27,"body":"from the smithereens. The latest"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2297.76,"endTime":2301.27,"body":"album is called the last album."},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2301.51,"endTime":2303.82,"body":"It sounds like there will be"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2301.51,"endTime":2303.82,"body":"more new music from the"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2303.82,"endTime":2306.82,"body":"Smithereens and Jim so make sure"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2303.82,"endTime":2306.82,"body":"to follow the band on social"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2306.82,"endTime":2309.64,"body":"media stay up to date. And if"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2306.82,"endTime":2309.64,"body":"you want to support my short"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2309.64,"endTime":2311.98,"body":"little show here, that's a great"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2309.64,"endTime":2311.98,"body":"way to do it. Follow us on"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2311.98,"endTime":2315.31,"body":"social media, your likes,"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2311.98,"endTime":2315.31,"body":"shares, comments, all that stuff"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2315.31,"endTime":2318.55,"body":"really helps us out and helps"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2315.31,"endTime":2318.55,"body":"grow the show so that we can get"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2318.55,"endTime":2322.24,"body":"great guests like Jim and some"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2318.55,"endTime":2322.24,"body":"other exciting guests that we"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2322.24,"endTime":2325.45,"body":"have lined up that I don't want"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2322.24,"endTime":2325.45,"body":"to spoil yet. And also make sure"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2325.45,"endTime":2328.18,"body":"to subscribe wherever you listen"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2325.45,"endTime":2328.18,"body":"to be up to date with future"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2328.18,"endTime":2331.33,"body":"episodes. Thank you so much."},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2328.18,"endTime":2331.33,"body":"Have a great day and shoot for"},{"speaker":"Charles Shute","startTime":2331.33,"endTime":2331.81,"body":"the moon."}]}