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Job is."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1514.55,"endTime":1519.68,"body":"That sounds like a fun job to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1519.71,"endTime":1520.85,"body":"tour with Doug Krause."},{"speaker":"Michael Crain","startTime":1520.94,"endTime":1522.38,"body":"best job ever."},{"speaker":"Michael Crain","startTime":1520.94,"endTime":1522.38,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1524.21,"endTime":1526.19,"body":"Is that the most"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1524.21,"endTime":1526.19,"body":"fun you've had in a band?"},{"speaker":"Michael Crain","startTime":1526.94,"endTime":1530.36,"body":"Um, I don't know."},{"speaker":"Michael Crain","startTime":1526.94,"endTime":1530.36,"body":"I've that's a lot of fun. Yes,"},{"speaker":"Michael Crain","startTime":1530.39,"endTime":1533.39,"body":"but dude, I've been in"},{"speaker":"Michael Crain","startTime":1530.39,"endTime":1533.39,"body":"management whole life. 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Besides music has been"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1698.54,"endTime":1700.85,"body":"having dogs that helps with your"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1698.54,"endTime":1700.85,"body":"like mental health helps you"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1700.85,"endTime":1702.74,"body":"deal with the world. I think you"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1700.85,"endTime":1702.74,"body":"said Yeah."},{"speaker":"Michael Crain","startTime":1703.009,"endTime":1706.969,"body":"Yeah. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Michael Crain","startTime":1703.009,"endTime":1706.969,"body":"That's true. Okay, they bring"},{"speaker":"Michael Crain","startTime":1706.969,"endTime":1709.639,"body":"you they they give you a"},{"speaker":"Michael Crain","startTime":1706.969,"endTime":1709.639,"body":"perspective. You know, they,"},{"speaker":"Michael Crain","startTime":1710.599,"endTime":1714.019,"body":"they keep it real simple. 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The new"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1744.08,"endTime":1747.41,"body":"album is dead cross two. It's"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1744.08,"endTime":1747.41,"body":"really interesting stuff. Check"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1747.41,"endTime":1751.04,"body":"it out on streaming or grab a"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1747.41,"endTime":1751.04,"body":"physical copy to like, and as"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1751.04,"endTime":1754.31,"body":"always, your likes, shares and"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1751.04,"endTime":1754.31,"body":"comments on YouTube and social"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1754.31,"endTime":1757.82,"body":"media. 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I have"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1767.75,"endTime":1770.57,"body":"some really interesting guests"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1767.75,"endTime":1770.57,"body":"lined up that you're not gonna"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1770.57,"endTime":1773.6,"body":"want to miss. So, thank you for"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1770.57,"endTime":1773.6,"body":"your support. Have a great day"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":1773.6,"endTime":1774.77,"body":"and shoot for the moon."}]}