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All right."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5358.78,"endTime":5360.43,"body":"And then they can"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5358.78,"endTime":5360.43,"body":"also if they follow you on"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5360.43,"endTime":5362.89,"body":"social media, I'm sure you'll"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5360.43,"endTime":5362.89,"body":"post updates about it as well"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5362.89,"endTime":5364.45,"body":"when it comes out. Okay."},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5364.81,"endTime":5367.0,"body":"on social media I"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5364.81,"endTime":5367.0,"body":"talked about I kind of reemerged"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5367.0,"endTime":5369.67,"body":"on social media. I cranked out"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5367.0,"endTime":5369.67,"body":"around the holidays and I'm back"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5369.67,"endTime":5370.27,"body":"now. All right."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5370.66,"endTime":5373.15,"body":"And then do you Is"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5370.66,"endTime":5373.15,"body":"there a charity that you work"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5373.15,"endTime":5375.43,"body":"with or any any charity, you"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5373.15,"endTime":5375.43,"body":"want to give a shout out to here"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5375.43,"endTime":5375.94,"body":"at the end?"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5376.81,"endTime":5379.48,"body":"The one I always"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5376.81,"endTime":5379.48,"body":"my big one. I'm a huge I'm"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5379.54,"endTime":5384.46,"body":"actually drinking coffee from a"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5379.54,"endTime":5384.46,"body":"Guantanamo Bay coffee mug. I'm a"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5384.46,"endTime":5388.15,"body":"big military, anything to"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5384.46,"endTime":5388.15,"body":"support the military and wounded"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5388.15,"endTime":5390.16,"body":"warriors always jumps out. All"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5388.15,"endTime":5390.16,"body":"right. Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5390.16,"endTime":5392.08,"body":"I've had a few"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5390.16,"endTime":5392.08,"body":"people talk about that one."},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5392.8,"endTime":5397.57,"body":"It's been a site"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5392.8,"endTime":5397.57,"body":"like that, and I love dogs. I"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5397.57,"endTime":5403.12,"body":"would log on my arm. So like"},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5397.57,"endTime":5403.12,"body":"Anything with dogs? 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I'm excited to see"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5416.68,"endTime":5419.5,"body":"what the future holds. So I'll"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5419.5,"endTime":5421.39,"body":"definitely be following you on"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5419.5,"endTime":5421.39,"body":"social media. I think everyone"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5421.39,"endTime":5424.27,"body":"else should as well. And thanks"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5421.39,"endTime":5424.27,"body":"for doing this."},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5424.359,"endTime":5426.009,"body":"This is fantastic."},{"speaker":"Paul Gargano","startTime":5424.359,"endTime":5426.009,"body":"Anytime it looks"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5426.04,"endTime":5427.87,"body":"alright. Cool."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5426.04,"endTime":5427.87,"body":"Thanks, Paul. I appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5427.9,"endTime":5431.98,"body":"I'll talk to you later. Okay,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5427.9,"endTime":5431.98,"body":"bye bye. Thank you to Paul"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5431.98,"endTime":5434.95,"body":"gargano. So many great stories,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5431.98,"endTime":5434.95,"body":"make sure to follow him on"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5434.95,"endTime":5438.04,"body":"Instagram to keep up with the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5434.95,"endTime":5438.04,"body":"bands he managed. 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