Episode 109 - Steve “Lips” Kudlow, singer and guitarist for the band Anvil! Many people know the band from the award winning 2008 documentary, “Anvil: The Story of Anvil.” The band was incredibly influential early in the heavy metal game. With Motorhead, Metallica, Anthrax, Slayer and many more all citing them as an influence. Due to bad management and promotion the band didn’t break through to the next level. However after the success of the movie they finally broke through and continue to make albums and tour to this day. Lips is a great story teller and hilarious in this interview.
0:00:00 - Intro
0:02:05 - Canada & U.S. Differences
0:05:25 - Drummer Robb Reiner
0:06:25 - Johnny Z Setting Up Shows
0:10:45 - Aerosmith, David Krebs, & Musical Style
0:17:10 - Having No Record Label for Four Years
0:17:52 - Lemmy Offering Lips to Join Motorhead
0:19:30 - Making Music for a Lifetime
0:20:45 - Side Work So Lips Could Play Music
0:22:20 - Luck & Success & Perseverance
0:24:48 - Bad Gigs & Promotion
0:30:12 - Band Fights
0:36:30 - Big Shows vs Club Shows
0:39:10 - Jealousy From Other Musicians
0:42:05 - "Legal at Last" & Marijuana & Hemp Usage
0:47:05 - "Nabbed in Nebraska" Song Story
0:51:15 - Agreeing with Ted Nugent's Politics & Guns
0:59:35 - Live Shows and Next Album for 2022
1:03:25 - Fear & Misinformation with Coronavirus
1:04:58 - Children's Charity
1:06:05 - Wrap Up
Anvil Website:
http://anvilrocks.com
St Jude's Children's Hospital Website:
https://www.stjude.org
Chuck Shute Website:
http://www.chuckshute.com
Thanks for Listening & Shute for the Moon!
Episode 109 - Steve “Lips” Kudlow, singer and guitarist for the band Anvil! Many people know the band from the award winning 2008 documentary, “Anvil: The Story of Anvil.” The band was incredibly influential early in the heavy metal game. With Motorhead, Metallica, Anthrax, Slayer and many more all citing them as an influence. Due to bad management and promotion the band didn’t break through to the next level. However after the success of the movie they finally broke through and continue to make albums and tour to this day. Lips is a great story teller and hilarious in this interview.
0:00:00 - Intro
0:02:05 - Canada & U.S. Differences
0:05:25 - Drummer Robb Reiner
0:06:25 - Johnny Z Setting Up Shows
0:10:45 - Aerosmith, David Krebs, & Musical Style
0:17:10 - Having No Record Label for Four Years
0:17:52 - Lemmy Offering Lips to Join Motorhead
0:19:30 - Making Music for a Lifetime
0:20:45 - Side Work So Lips Could Play Music
0:22:20 - Luck & Success & Perseverance
0:24:48 - Bad Gigs & Promotion
0:30:12 - Band Fights
0:36:30 - Big Shows vs Club Shows
0:39:10 - Jealousy From Other Musicians
0:42:05 - "Legal at Last" & Marijuana & Hemp Usage
0:47:05 - "Nabbed in Nebraska" Song Story
0:51:15 - Agreeing with Ted Nugent's Politics & Guns
0:59:35 - Live Shows and Next Album for 2022
1:03:25 - Fear & Misinformation with Coronavirus
1:04:58 - Children's Charity
1:06:05 - Wrap Up
Anvil Website:
http://anvilrocks.com
St Jude's Children's Hospital Website:
https://www.stjude.org
Chuck Shute Website:
http://www.chuckshute.com
Thanks for Listening & Shute for the Moon!
Welcome to the show, and thank you for taking the time to check us out. I've been churning out these episodes left and right. And I hope you all are enjoying listening to them as much as I'm enjoying making them. And I hope you'll continue to follow the show as we grow and branch out and do more and more of a variety of guests. I'm really excited about some of the people I've scheduled. A lot of musicians, yes, but also some authors and someone I can't say what he does or give it away. But it's he was recently on a very popular Netflix show. mostly talking to a variety of other people should be a lot of fun. Not only is the show growing and branching out with the guests, but also the conversations itself. I really am trying to talk about more different kinds of topics with the guests like when I had Keith Wallen from breaking benjamin on, we got into a conversation about movies. I had clay deters from the issue, and we ended up talking about hockey. It's just fun sometimes to follow the rabbit holes and kind of see what goes on in people's heads and what they're interested in. And so do you like that? Or do you prefer just straight music talk all the time? Let me know. But I think it's fun to talk about all sorts of stuff. Which brings me to my guests today. Steve lips who lo of Advil. And he's quite a character and I definitely talk to him about all sorts of shit, including his opinions on the legalization of weed because of that's kind of a theme of the album, guns in America, Ted Nugent's politics, it's all fascinating stuff. He's an interesting guy, very passionate about things. He definitely gets riled up a lot in this interview, and says fuck a lot. So if you're easily offended by cursing or politics or drugs, this is not the episode for you. But I fucking love to personally, I think he's an interesting guy. Not necessarily that I adopt all the same views as him. But if you're not familiar with lips or the band Anvil, definitely check out the documentary. You can see it on Amazon Prime for $4. And it's worth it. And Phil was a very influential band on Motorhead, Metallica, anthrax Slayer, so many other bands. And thankfully, after that movie came out, they finally got the credit for a lot of that. So I'll let lips tell you more of the stories of this interview. Here we go. Welcome, Steve. Lips Kudlow to the Czech shoe podcast, how are you doing?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:I'm doing okay. All right.
Chuck Shute:Well, so you're in Canada, right?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Yes.
Chuck Shute:That's where you're from. And that's where you live now. So tell me the diff. In your mind. What are the biggest differences between Canada and the US? dead silence
Unknown:already began. Right. The
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:reason that it's silent is because I don't even know where to begin.
Chuck Shute:So too many too many to name. But is there things I noticed? Like when
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:we want to talk about it politically? Where are we going? Well, I mean, just like maybe we don't want to go political.
Chuck Shute:Political later. But let's just I just wonder like, when you tour the US, is there things that like annoy you? Or you're excited? Like certain is there maybe certain rules or restaurants or things or landmarks in the US that you're like, Oh, I love this part about the US or are there things that you dread about the US?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:traffic? Okay. No traffic in Washington, DC, or Chicago? or New York? or Los Angeles? fucking horrible traffic.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, no, that's definitely definitely true. I'm from Oregon.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Anybody? Anybody who's been to those places and knows you hit three o'clock in the afternoon? You're going nowhere? Oh, yeah,
Chuck Shute:for sure. And like in New York, you really I mean, everybody takes the subway. Nobody even drives there.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Yeah, well, True enough. I've actually got less complaints about New York than I do about Los Angeles and in regard to like, even the last couple times I go into going into the going into the city like going through the the tunnel or whatever. It hasn't been too bad in the last year, but Los Angeles Forget it, man.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, no, I mean, or San Francisco. You ever tried to drive it?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Forget it. It took hours to go anywhere? Yeah. 10 minutes down the foot. 10 minutes normally, right your two hours to get there for sure. stupid shit.
Chuck Shute:So you kind of more in the in like a little smaller area in Canada right now. Like it's just not as crowded. It's congested.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Oh, I'm in Toronto, which is probably the most populated place in Canada.
Chuck Shute:But like in, like a suburb of that are you like in the like the heart of it? I'm in the middle right in the middle of the city. And it's not the traffic isn't bad. They're
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:not sorry. We haven't got the population.
Chuck Shute:Okay. Yeah. So and that's where you grew up. And that's where you, you know, I always think of these things are so funny because like your drummer Rob, I mean, he was, you know, your friend and your bandmate and your neighbor. What if you guys lived in different cities, and you never met him? I mean, it's such an amazing coincidence that you two happen to live near each other. And you're both amazing,
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:amazing coincidence that john Lennon and Paul McCartney lived in the same town.
Chuck Shute:I guess.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:It's the way that it's the way the chips fell.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, cuz he's really an A, has he always been it even age 14. Were you like, holy shit, cuz that guy drums? I mean, just so fast and crazy. I mean, even still, to this day, I'm still amazed. I don't think there's many drummers that can keep up with him. No,
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:probably not. It's, you know, it's I don't know any different thing with Roxy. Since I began playing, so I don't know anything.
Chuck Shute:That's right. So you never had another band or flirted with other projects or anything? No, yeah. So you guys, are you guys start this band at a young age? And then is it Johnny z is that the first guy that kind of like brought you to the states to play and he's responsible for Metallica, anthrax and all those guys, right?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Yeah, that was the first show we ever did in the states for Johnny z.
Chuck Shute:And but what happened was that one of the problems for you guys was you guys got stuck in the mud with this bad manager. Right? Isn't that what happened? Oh,
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:not well, it's, it's there's a whole bunch of stuff at play. Yeah, we we raised a huge amount of interest and, and, and things were going very well in Europe. And the spin off what eventually happened Johnny z was running a music record store in a flea market in New Jersey. And he was importing Krang magazines and sound magazines. And he started learning about this band Anvil up in Canada. He didn't learn from us from Canada. He learned from us, about us from the UK.
Chuck Shute:Okay, interesting.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Well, let's, cuz there's in 1981, there was no metal scene, or fanzines, or fuck all in North America. So where are you going to find out the information from England? We're heavy metal was was was making? It's big. It's big start.
Unknown:Right. So.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:So what he did is, we were the closest metal band in the world. close to him. He contacted our record label, and hired us to come down to a play in a flea mark.
Chuck Shute:Was that a big
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:market? New Jersey? How
Chuck Shute:many people showed up for that?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:About 1200? That's pretty good. No, it was amazing. Because he knew that we were he was selling tons of metal on metal and hard and heavy albums out of his out of his out of his store. So all they he knew that all he had to do was put up, put up a sign that said Apple was coming in a couple weeks, and everybody that was coming to the store of the word spread like like wildfire, so it was no problem and in actually putting on a show. And that was a big, big, huge thing for Johnny, because he had he, it was the first time he'd actually ventured out as trying to be a promoter or trying to be I don't know, involved in the music business. Regarding playing, it's a huge success for him. And that moment in his life, he it sparked him, I'm going to, I'm going for this, I'm going to I'm going to fucking do it. And what actually did happen? Of course, all of this at the same time. We put out metal on metal and of course, things were really, really started to rock and in, in Europe. And what what eventually happened was, of course, now the American American constituents were thinking about having us come down. So we got involved, all of a sudden, because of our the excitement that we were caused in Europe, all of a sudden we had interest from one of the biggest managers in the United States. I'm talking about David crabs who's, who has managed Ted Nugent, Aerosmith, scorpions, fucking I can go on it's a ridiculous list. But he was
Chuck Shute:just it was just a mess. Maybe not a good fit for you guys because he was more had managed more of the not as heavier bands right?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:There was no such thing as heavy. Yes. Although all it was was rock music, right and he, like he's he goes like you know I gotta see this band so he hires us in the midst of us recording our third album. They're literally in the middle of bed tracks and we've got a call. We got five shows with Aerosmith and the northeast of in the northeast of North America. So we did Montreal we did. We did. Syracuse, we did Philadelphia,
Unknown:we did
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:a bunch of shows with Aerosmith so that he could come see us play.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, so how was that was this one? This was when they were Busan? Right?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:No release. So how was it it playing fair? Play the Philadelphia spectrum? You know, we're playing this big fucking huge place. Steven Tyler had been in a motorcycle accident and ripped his heel off of his fucking foot. So he's on fucking medication, and they couldn't get him out of fucking bed.
Chuck Shute:Oh shit. So
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:here we are at the Philadelphia spectrum and the the the tour manager Rob Aerosmith tour manager comes into our training room he goes Listen, guys, he says I want you up on stage right now. And you've got to do an hour and a half. Steven it we can't get Steven out of bed. Right. So there we are playing for an hour and a half in front of an audience that never even heard our music before. How the fuck did it go it? Yeah. Kind of ECI we're getting booed. But people are going What the fuck is this? An hour and a half of a band I
Chuck Shute:never heard of. I'm picturing like, Back to the Future where Marty McFly is playing the the heavy like the heavy guitar solo in the 50s. Like, because you guys were so much heavier than Aerosmith. I'm sure the Aerosmith fans were not used to that.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:No, they accepted it because there was totally, totally accepted it because there was no there's an aspect of Anvil that's has a similarity to Ted Nugent.
Unknown:Sure. Yeah,
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:it was actually a good fit. See, the thing is, it's a misconception. Anvil Anvil is is a band that fell in the crack. Heavy Metal. Mm hmm. We started out in in the late 70s.
Unknown:And
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:our first album was basically a hard rock album. It was not a heavy metal album, heavy metal hadn't hadn't even been called to heavy metal. Right? It was, at least during the inception and the writing of that music there. What they didn't call it heavy metal. It didn't exist yet. It wasn't really until after at one minute. What is this? It's heavy metal.
Chuck Shute:Right?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:They started calling it
Chuck Shute:Yeah,
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:so what happened was when we when we went to the record label signed us on our first album, but we were called lips and the guys go well, how are we going to market this? this thing called heavy metal is happening you guys better think of a name that's going to be conducive with that with that genre. So of course we made up a fucking list which almost every fucking name on that list has been used. Really? Yeah, because every everybody's taking those names. It was at a time before metal even existed. Yeah, so everything everything got us after that fact. So we had the whole fucking choice. And what could be a better heavy metal name than enville one of the heaviest
Chuck Shute:things Absolutely.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:It's like fuck one on one is dude has a fucking that's great. Okay, so you know we took that into the record label of course they were ecstatic about that they thought this is fantastic because anything that's an inanimate object you could make easily make logos out of it again viable that's really marketable that fucking awesome.
Chuck Shute:No, I love it. It did. It
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:did its fucking trick. It sparked up the UK where heavy metal was was the thing at that moment. And we started and that really started our career off.
Chuck Shute:Right. And so and one of the things that
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:we got involved like I said, they've not got David crebbs involved and of course, we're out opening for Aerosmith. And we play 666 and we finished and you know the people are just standing on what the fuck side? Right? We're playing speed metal no one even fucking ever heard this before, right? Anyway, the, the, you know label labels the guy that the guy that got actually did sign Metallica was in my tent in the change room. We did a show with a band called Zebra, which is really a hard rock band, three piece Hard Rock Band. I think the keyboards if I'm not mistaken, it's a lot of fun man, we're talking for years. Anyways. We do the show with them and the labels come upstairs and the guy goes, this is great, but I don't know how we're gonna mark it. Like, you know you're fortunate fire the fortune fire out me and know how to fucking how we're gonna market this. We don't even know what the fuck it is. You know? David Krebs listens to us flat playing and we're playing this speed metal it goes. Listen, guys, you've got to drop that stuff out of your set.
Chuck Shute:What?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:I'm fucking dead, sir. Yeah. He's saying You got it. You know, we're playing 666 and jackhammer. He's going you got to get rid of that stuff in the tech. Meanwhile,
Chuck Shute:that's what everybody's coming to see. Right? That's the new cutting edge stuff for sure.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:That was it. It's like you're telling me to stop the stuff that's given us the fucking our fucking name. What the fuck? Wrong manager. Right.
Chuck Shute:That's what it was. It wasn't it was a bad managers, the wrong. Drug
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:manager is approaching all the wrong people at all the labels. So the labels are going yeah, we'll take the band, but we want the first three albums for free. We're not paying any advance against it. Now what fucking label in their right mind. Like who's paid the money for their recordings of their of the band that they've fuckin supporting? Who's gonna? What label is going to give it away for free?
Chuck Shute:Yeah, ain't gonna happen, right?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:And that's where the ball that's where the ball fell right there. That's it. It's over. We got it. We got. We got that rise, then we're on the cost. We're going to break through we're going to get that major label and then it's going to fucking start happening. Well, the major labels don't want it. Listen, they can have everything for free. Yeah. How does that work? It doesn't. Yeah.
Chuck Shute:So that's kind of where that's part of the one of the things that went wrong.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Oh, there we were in 1983. And David got us out of the record deal in Canada. And now we had no record deal for four fucking years.
Chuck Shute:Oh, I didn't even know that there was four years with no label. No label
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:no releases. For most important years and heavy metal history and anvil gets pulled out of the stream. Because they suck. Fuck, you. Know, you got it. Right. You all know because they steal all my ideas make everybody else big but Apple suck.
Unknown:Fuck you.
Chuck Shute:That's what so that's what happened. That explains a lot so because you guys were such an influence. So much so that in 81 didn't let me let me ask you to join Motorhead. I didn't know that until I did my research and you turned him down. That's pretty cool that you? I was in
Unknown:the middle. I'm an anvil. Yeah. Is that
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:level Why am I joining Motorhead? Right? That that makes whole fucking sense. And he even admitted it made no sense. But he loved the band and love what we were doing. And, and we he likes me, he liked me as a human being. He wanted to be with work with me. Okay. But that's not what it is. When you're under contracts, and you've got to I would love to have done it. But I can't be in two places at once. Right? And you can't you can't leave a contract. When they're paying for your fucking there. It was a record deal. It wasn't an a licensing deal. So they they own. They own me in a certain sense. I if I if I go join Motorhead, they've got dibs on that on whatever I do in that band. Because I'm signed to them personally. Right? Now individually. That's it. So it's not possible. on any level, it was not possible. But the the mutual respect between lemon I was great. I mean Lemmy was you're talking about somebody that was like an older brother to me, it's, I miss him terribly. And it's, it's, it's like, you know, it's like missing a limb. It's never the same man.
Chuck Shute:Mm hmm. know for sure. And I mean, but you did get back on the horse and you made more albums. And you made I think it through the 80s and 90s, you had 12 albums,
Unknown:that I realized
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:I realized very, very, very, very, very early on and if I, if not, I knew a lot. This is not about you can have the dreams of making millions of dollars, but one in a million does that. So to me, it was like, I'm going to do this for a life. time, it was a lifetime decision. It wasn't, I'm going to do this because I want it, I'm gonna, there's the goal, I'm gonna get the goal and it's over. No, that's not. That's not what it was about it was about, I'm going to be a musician from my entire life. And that's what I'm going to do. Whether I make money at it, well, I'm going to set my life up so that it doesn't matter. But I'm going to do what I love. It was about doing what I love and what I have passion for not about making money. It's about actually, how much the guy who wins is the guy who writes the most songs. It's not the guy who makes the most money. That's the way I look at it. And if you're a real artist, that's the way you should look at it.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, so it was interesting, though. So like in the movie, and we'll get to the movie too. But like, they show how, you know, obviously, you know, the band is not a full time thing at this point. It's you're kind of doing shows on the side and stuff. So you're taking this job as a, as a truck driver and everything. I was just curious, like, why didn't you? Like do guitar lessons or singing lessons or manage bands? Or you did?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Oh, yeah, I was I was I was a guitar teacher for a number of years. Sure. I'm, like I said, I set my life up. So that I could do music and not depend on the band to make me money. So if you if you if you do that, then you can you've got longevity. And longevity is how you get to write all the songs. Right? Yeah. And, and, and because I had, I never had to put to have to depend on the band to make money. So when the money did come in for the band, it could revert it back into and reinvest it, not put it in my pocket or buy my groceries with it. Right requested so that it can keep making records so that they can keep the cycle going. And that's what I did. It's not that the animal movie is not about failure. It's actually about incredible success against massive adversity is what it's really about. Because how do you get how do you put out 12 albums? Yeah, I
Chuck Shute:mean, yeah, you just kept going. Yeah, it's so inspiring, and you're doing music on the weekends. But did you ever get discouraged? Or did you ever get depressed and just be because you are talented? And Lemmy? You know, was a big fan all these other you know, a slash and Metallica, these guys all loved you. And do you ever just get so frustrated? You're like, Why the fuck are we not bigger? I mean, there must have been times like that where you just
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:because there's not there's no justice. It's not about it's not about it, because the whole thing is not necessarily about your music. At all. It's about luck. It's like what Dave Grohl said to me at the fucking Spirit Awards. He started telling me the story about him and Kurt Cobain living in a squatter house in Los Angeles. After they fucking they used an old fucking beater to drive down there. From from Connecticut, they drove all the way down la they have nowhere to fucking stay. They're living in a fucking squatter house and sleeping bags with no windows in the fucking in the apartment. And and with no fucking money, and then within fuckin six months, they're fucking wealthy, and living and staying at the Hyatt Regency and looking over fucking Hollywood. Because you know what that's called? That's called lock. Period. Wait, how is your walk into a record label? And you give them your tape? And they go yes. And they put it out and it goes big.
Chuck Shute:But I disagree with you because he kept going because so many people if they're in the squatter house, I mean, your story's insane because it's like 40 years you kept going so many people in your position a part of
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Yes, yes, it's about perseverance and perseverance. Oh seeing to the other side and talent you guys you and David go back and make make it possible to to get there that's what it's all about. You can but you got to want it right.
Chuck Shute:So when you have will come your
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:way eventually just like it does in the fucking casino.
Chuck Shute:I love your passion man. This is inspired I just listening to you should be a motivational speaker I love this is like firing me up. That's great.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:But you look at you stay in the music business. You write enough songs, you're gonna get good at it. Whether even if you suck at the beginning, really think that? Yes.
Chuck Shute:So tell me about this.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Anybody? You you put the time 10,000 hours, man, you're professional. You spent 10,000 hours at something you're gonna get good at it. Right so
Chuck Shute:so but tell me like when you have a bad gig during this time, like you said the worst gig you did was a rehearsal room and a New Year's Eve party. Literally like no one showed up. This guy bought 1000s of dollars worth of booze? No Nobody shows up. What goes through your mind at that. You're just like, I mean, you don't get discouraged. You don't go fuck. You don't smash your guitar, you get angry, you just laugh it off. What is your How do you handle those kinds of tough obstacles?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:It's you, you can't blame yourself. Those are circumstances that you've got to look at things. Realistically, you can't blame yourself. When people don't show up to an animal show. It's not because the band is not good. It's because someone didn't do their job promoting.
Chuck Shute:Okay, well, so.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Especially at this point in the game. Yeah, for sure. Really? I can tell. really fucking tell the difference. Yeah, because it doesn't make sense. That one place is Ram pack, and the next place is empty. Why is the place empty? And when you you delve into the reasons, the guy didn't put up a fucking poster anywhere, right? He didn't put an ad in a newspaper didn't pay for any fucking anything on the radio. There. No one knew you're there. Right?
Chuck Shute:Right. No, that's
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:totally expect people to fucking know you're there.
Chuck Shute:That's a huge, that's a huge piece of it is the promotion because like we said, you have the talent. We've already disposed of it.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Especially with with Apple with it with the with it with the with the fame of the movie and everything. There should have been there should be no problem.
Chuck Shute:Right? back. Yeah. So let's talk about the movement.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:What happens is, and this is where the big, biggest mistakes happen. And I can I can tell you right now, first of all, when a promoter a promoter does what he usually does, when he hires a metal band, he's got a handful of fucking people that he calls him and sets up, sets up maybe interviews for and they're all to do, specifically and only with heavy metal.
Chuck Shute:Fair enough problem is
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:when you do that with Anvil is 90% of our audience. Aren't metal fans. So you're not letting them know. Gotcha. So you don't make you don't you don't fucking put an ad in. In the little fanzine, you go and pay the extra 50 bucks, and you put it in the net, in the in the city's newspaper? Because that's where that's where all the fans are gonna go.
Unknown:Hey,
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Angela's playing not the band that was in that movie. Yeah, let's go sit. Right, and then they got something they can attach it exactly. If you don't get that funeral put that ad where they can see it. They're not going to be there. prime examples. I'm in fucking Chicago. Rob and I are standing on the side of a fucking Street. And there are virtually cars pulling over. This was just after the movie have come up. Cars are pulling over to get out and take pictures of Rob and I. And meanwhile, we're playing the city at a gig that night. And not one person knew we were playing.
Chuck Shute:Oh, yeah, that's bad marketing and promotion for sure. That's a huge piece of it. So
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Oh, what do you say? What do you say about that? Am I gonna go it's all the band's fault. No, it's not the man's fault. That's
Chuck Shute:a good point.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:All these all these things have to do with who hired you and what they're doing to end and this is the other thing that a lot of people a lot of people don't realize when you sell your band to a promoter if he pays fuck all expect fuck all. Huh.
Chuck Shute:Gotcha.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Like let's say you've got a promoter he goes I want to amble I was one of this. But I can't afford it. And you and but I can afford 20 he offers us money and it's way lower than the amount but you want to get in that venue. Because you you've got an audience. Well, chances are except the gig. You go there no one shows up why the guy didn't have the money. He didn't promote it. Yeah. No, that makes sense pays, the more likely that they have no fucking money.
Chuck Shute:Right tells you that makes sense. So
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:the more that a promoter pays, then you can then you can pretty much count on he's going to do everything he can to recoup his money.
Chuck Shute:Right? No, absolutely. But
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:thinking in this sort of way. And so you it's it's a business and you got to look at it that way and it's not. You can't sit there and judge your your your artistic value on something that has nothing to do with artwork. Music.
Chuck Shute:Yeah. And so part of the talking about has nothing
Unknown:to do with music right now
Chuck Shute:it's about
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:with, with promotion with with the business.
Chuck Shute:Absolutely. But part of the promotion I you say luck is involved. So you guys did have some luck, I would call it also, you know partly that you know you are good person you planted the seeds early you are friends with this guy who are here. So he was your roadie Sasha. And he ends up being this big time screenwriter writes the terminal movie with Tom Hanks. And he was a fan of the band. So then he decides to make this movie and Bill and your I like your idea about how the worse that it gets in the movie, the better. And like that scene where you have I rewatched this movie last night, it's so great. The scene where you have the blowout with Rob. I mean, I feel like this is so healthy. I was a counselor for 17 years. So I know about like expressing emotions and all that. It's like almost healthy, that you get the anger out because then you apologize. He gets mad at you, you guys work it out. You know, I talked to the bass player from Tesla, Brian wheat, and he said, Tesla have these physical fights. And now they still have fights, they yell but they call them discussions. Like do you think it's necessary to have that kind of passion? To make things great?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Any good relationship, no matter what it is, you're going to have arguments. And if you don't, and you probably don't have a good relationship, and there's stuff that's being subdued and hidden.
Chuck Shute:Because you guys pushed each other job
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:to get along. percent 100% of the time, no such thing. Right, right. And the things that the things that Rob and I argue about, it's not about goal, it's about how to get there. Mm hmm. Right now, towards the end result, we both want the same thing. So arguing about how to get there is actually a good thing. Because you're going to learn from each other. What? What might be a better idea?
Chuck Shute:Yeah, no, exactly. To get
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:to the goal. You gotta, as long as the goals at the end of the argument are the same, then, and then you have then it's all good.
Chuck Shute:Do you guys still have those
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:kinds of you know, it's like, it's not like I fight with Rob very often. Actually. It's every now and again. And I mean, like Sasha was following us around for fucking two and a half years, and will not fight happened. He goes, I can't believe that I've been fucking following you around for two fucking years waiting for this to happen.
Chuck Shute:Wow, that's
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:cuz his whole thing was, I got it. I got a show. I said, give a sense of reality. And without an argument. There's no sense of reality is there,
Chuck Shute:right?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:You're not you're not showing the dynamics of the of the real relationship between the two people that you're supposed to be showing the showing a relationship, you're not showing all the you're not showing the most important facets. The way that you show the most important, most important facets is show where the heads bang together and how and how they get over their differences. Nothing could be more descriptive of a religious relationship than a fight and getting over it. Yeah, so that's like that. And and you know, like, we're fucking scratching our hair. What are you saying, man? What? And it's like, when you don't have no idea how important that. And here when we're doing it when we're going through it. And he gave us this sense of freedom, do whatever you want and failed. And if you don't like it, we'll just remove it. We didn't care if he filmed us beating the shit out of each other. Like, what? We'll just tell him to take it out. Yeah, of course, at the end of the day, it's and it's the fights in there and I'm going Oh, fuck. And then I came to realize, even though even to this day, watching that makes me very uncomfortable and actually reemerged as all the all the emotion that was there. I still find it very difficult to watch, because there's, to a great extent you don't understand. The audience will not understand what prompted that.
Chuck Shute:Just the frustration, it was the frustration. No, no, no, there No.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:In any case, it's not important. That's not what was important. And so it made me come to realize it's not important what the fight was really about. It's about the fight itself. And getting over it is what the whole thing was about. It doesn't matter about the specifics. specifics that you can keep to yourself and you never have to the world never needs to know it. And he was right. And I'm not I'm going to tell you all the little stupid things we have been going on since we're fucking 14 years old. How do you start explaining that and you know, you can? Yeah, it's, it's, you know, it's just
Chuck Shute:when you apologize. So what I mean you You guys made up and you work through it, so it's all good. Oh, that's right. And that's the most important thing.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:He waited two years for that to happen.
Chuck Shute:That's crazy. What if he had only followed you for a year and a half or something then you wouldn't have even caught that scene? Is that the movie wouldn't be as good as it was
Unknown:right?
Chuck Shute:Why did he follow you for so long?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Not a long time. Everything was important man. It's an everything to a great degree was by luck and chance when it comes to do with that movie. You don't like and and the biggest difference between the anvil movie and everybody else's movie. Everybody talks about their their careers in a retrospect that's not how you will make a movie for you to be entertaining for people today.
Chuck Shute:No, that's true.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Somebody somebody's old fucking tour.
Unknown:Who the fuck cares?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:I'd rather watch you I'd rather watch you on tour right fucking now ya know what's gonna happen next? Right then know what I already know what happened?
Chuck Shute:Exactly no cuz you're Yeah.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:That's that's the biggest difference the anvil movie lived in the now not in
Chuck Shute:the past in the future because in the movie comes out and it's a massive his success and then you guys get an opening slot with AC DC. So that's a big jump from doing you know, the shows that you see in the movie that are you know, small crowds. So was there nervousness at that point? Or did you feel like Alright, this is where we're supposed to be?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:No, I've never felt like it's where we're supposed to be.
Chuck Shute:even feel like you deserved it. After all that.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:I'm being completely honest. My, my personal my personal fucking favorite things are playing to a PAC club. Okay, I don't like big massive fucking arenas. Not fun. Really. You can barely even hear the audience. You finish the song. And it's like, people even clapping. can barely even hear it man. And the closest person is 100 feet away from you. You almost feel like there's no one there at all.
Chuck Shute:And you feel the same way about like the big festivals because you've done a lot of those as well.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Yeah, big big festivals suck too, because, because when you've got, let's say whacking, let's say you've got 60,000 people, well, only 20,000 of the people there are even into you. Wow. So and that that goes for every fucking band. So yep, for the headliner, right, most of the people are there to see that liner.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, if they make it that long, because those things are sometimes like all day.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Most people don't even like the headliner, and they leave before it even happens. Yeah, so that's a whole other. That's a whole other issue. But um, but what I learned about, like, let's say the wack and festival, and we've done it in a number of different ways, we've done the big stage and played in front of the 60 or 80,000 people, and it kind of sucks. Because you see pockets of people in this big pool of fucking big huge ocean of fucking denim. You see pockets of people freaking out. And then huge areas where everybody's just standing there,
Chuck Shute:right?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:So you get that in the bigs with the big stage, or they put you in on the on the on the smaller, smaller stages in the inside in the tents where you can get 20,000 people well fuck. Put me in the fucking Tank Man.
Chuck Shute:And besides Oh, yeah.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:That sounds fucking insane. Fucking Anvil fans at once. All in one place packed together.
Chuck Shute:That sounds fun. Now that is fun. Okay, there we go. So the movie comes out and then so many people so many famous people were a fan of it too. Like Robert Redford, Anthony Hopkins, and Paul McCartney. Did you get to meet him? He said you enjoyed it. He said that he enjoyed the movie. And then you guys kick ass Paul McCartney told you you kick ass.
Unknown:Yeah,
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:I mean, it's it's interesting because
Chuck Shute:that's got to be the ultimate validation.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Well, the thing is that this is what it is. People who are struggling to get some place in the music business are jealous as shit. They fucking hate me. Now there are some who wish me well and are decent human beings. But a portion of musicians who are at least behind me or underneath, or or not as lucky are jealous as fuck.
Chuck Shute:And you say that that's kind of a negativity is the projection of their own failure, you said, right? Or they're just heartless people?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Of course. I mean, that that comes with it. And that actually is a is a direct indication of my success. They wouldn't they wouldn't be jealous of I wasn't successful. Right? I mean, they wouldn't want us to right. It's interesting, but it it doesn't do much for your it doesn't do much for your feelings in the sense that why are people sucking down on me? I've worked so hard and so long. Why are you begrudge me? That which you are chasing yourself? You should go Good for you, man. You're lucky you fucking got through. Yeah, you fucking Why not? me write
Unknown:that out?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Why not? Why you not me. Like,
Chuck Shute:I've noticed that too. And doing these interviews, a lot of the musicians that I looked up to as a kid, I interview them thinking they're going to be this cocky, arrogant Rockstar, and they're all super nice and super down to earth and happy and it's like,
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:a not as a relation that is a direct route. That's a direct result of they they're grateful for where they from God. Yeah. That's why those that aren't, are assholes. And they know that you're gonna be pressed to find assholes that make it because usually assholes fall away. So did you still feel grateful? No hard or harder to work with and won't put up with it, and you're gonna lose the record deal, and they're never going to be given their chance. Right? So between luck and chance, you still got to be a nice guy.
Chuck Shute:Right? That was a big piece of it. Because if you weren't nice to Sasha, he's not gonna make a movie about you.
Unknown:That's right. Exactly. Yeah.
Chuck Shute:Well, let's talk about your new record. "Legal At Last", the title track is so heavy, but it's also really catchy. And you've got the cool like a background vocals. I mean, it really gets in your head. But tell me what, it's 18th album. So that's like a legal age, and Canadians recently legalized marijuana. So tell me about the themes of this album I heard you talking about? It's really interesting. Like you kind of go off the you kind of go down the rabbit hole, I guess I should say it's kind of interesting.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Yeah. Well, it's, it is interesting, because the topic of marijuana is extraordinarily wide range and meaningful on so many levels and how its importance represents so much so much that we do not even realize until you actually start delving into the information and when you do delve into the information, you start realizing how stupid humanity is. In a certain sense, we made marijuana illegal not because it gets you high. It's because it was a direct threat to the world economy. And you're going, "Well How the fuck does that work?" Well, the production of hemp and the manufacturing of hemp can replace all of our pulp and paper. So there's our forestry industry. Paper industry fucked. Cotton industry fucked. You can even make fucking biofuel diesel from it. Now you fuck the oil companies. So how much more how much more of the manufacturing and the manufacturing world with that upset, right and replace all plastic with hemp have produced biodegradable plastic
Chuck Shute:in the CBD oil. Isn't that a big thing you said...
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:And now now and then the biggest? The biggest fucking irony of it all? Is we with all the chemicals that we poison ourselves with our fucking plastic wrapped food that seeps into our food and eventually gives us all cancer. We're finding that marijuana is something that might be helping in the curing of cancer.
Chuck Shute:No, I agree, I think...
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:So you start thinking about all these things. Now what is what does all this mean? Well, first of all the production of cotton, we've virtually all the topsoil is destroyed all the farmland so you got to put put a cot to put nutrients back in. So now you've got to make nutrients, right so now You have run off the run off to the grit through the ground and from the rain from all the chemicals that you're using to produce cotton is poisoning the fucking ground. Okay? You've got to put insect repellent on everything otherwise they're gonna get they're gonna get fucking its own crops are gonna get get chewed up. So all this all this negative aspect to make cotton right? Which is one of the biggest industries in the fucking world all of our fucking clothes right? Yeah sure. So it could have been made out of hemp, which is completely fucking self like a self manufacturing fucking product and they made it illegal because it was going to put the cotton industry out of business. So these are these are these are this is at the heart of it but but but also look at what we've done to our world we've polluted it. Look at all the plastic in the ocean that could have been made from biodegradable fucking plastic made from an app that would it wouldn't be all this shit wouldn't be all as a result of marijuana. So we can let last gasp right? It should have been legal all along.
Chuck Shute:So hopefully we can solve these problems now. Right?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:No, we're still a long way.
Chuck Shute:We're still far,
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:far off because even though they're in places where they have made marijuana illegal Gavin's stopped going cotton. Yeah, yeah. So the the cotton factory, right?
Chuck Shute:Yeah, well, hopefully we'll get there. Or at least have some more of it replaced
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:or, or oil? Yeah. No, I mean, you know, pulp and paper. Fuck, man. We could have been making paper. We don't have to cut down our trees. Why are we cutting trees down?
Chuck Shute:I'd rather do the hemp. The hemp plant. Yeah, I like your idea. It sounds great if it works. What about so what the song nabbed in Nebraska is that I hear like, you know police smoking weed ain't no crime. Is this an autobiographical song? Or is this just a hypothetical or something else? Some of this happened to someone else?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Because I got busted. We got busted.
Chuck Shute:Oh, you did?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Yeah, we were driving. We drove in from from Oregon into into Nebraska. You drove across the border and then there's a fucking sign that says drug dogs on duty. And it's like, Well, okay, so we start driving off off ramp. And I've got pot. I want to put pot down my pants. It's in my pouch. Right, my fanny pack. So I pull it out of my fanny pack. Put it on the on the on the on top of the fucking dashboard, so that I can take the fanny pack off under my belt and stuff the fucking plot down my pants.
Chuck Shute:Yeah.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:So we're going up the ramp, and it's fucking boiling hot. And I fucking touch the window to bring it down a bit, but it has an automatic, the whole thing goes right down. But we flew out the window. The weed was in a tiny little plastic. It was like a gram. Okay, friend, and I quit. I quit smoking. I wasn't smoking anything. And the guy begged me take this because you might want to get high. It's like, dude, I I can't get high without tobacco and I'm quitting tobacco. I don't want to smoke it. So just take it so I had taken it anyway. A tiny little thing. Anyway, I wrapped it in Kleenex and the Kleenex wrapped in with the plastic is on the dash and it blew up window. Anyway. Not to my knowledge. I didn't realize it. But I'm going to go up the ramp. There's a policeman sitting in a parking lot beside the rent. Okay. And he's watched the shit go out the window. Oh. So of course he immediately pulls out of the ramp and chases us because we just wanted to turn around and go back the other way. So he follows us and pulls us over and he comes up to my side of the band and he goes he goes to me what you throw out a go I didn't throw anything out. He goes well, we're gonna find out the second one you threw out the other club come o'clock and look what I found. He comes up with weed and it goes like goes I'll give you two choices buddy. Either admit that you threw this out the window. Or I'm charging with obstruction of justice. I'm trying to I'm trying to to avoid getting getting arrested, right admitted it's yours and and it's all good. Or you're going to be doing court and fucking maybe time. Shit. So I went okay, yeah, well and then I started explaining to the guy that flew out I didn't do it on purpose and it's going well, regardless. Here in Nebraska it's a misdemeanor Don't worry about it. You've got no fucking got no fucking police record, but now you owe me littering and for possession of marijuana $300 fine. That's not so bad. No.
Chuck Shute:It's a cooler story though it could have been it could have been worse.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Yeah, it could have been a lot worse than way worse. And it was interesting because what they do is they give you a they give you a phone number to call and because I'm not from I was not from the States sure to call the magistrate or the editor or the judge himself. And they would just tell me how much I owe them.
Chuck Shute:Okay, that's not so bad.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:And that's basically what happened. Okay, why is it? Otherwise you have to come and try and fight it. Yeah. Right.
Chuck Shute:So the album is you said that it's kind of like a lot of facets of metal. You mentioned one of the flavor of Ted Nugent. And I think the song I'm alive. Am I crazy? That sounds a little bit like cat Scratch Fever. Well, it's,
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:it's the court the court. It's the same chords, but not in the same order.
Chuck Shute:Okay, are you saying you're obviously a Ted Nugent fan right of his music? Okay, but I'm guessing I'm just taking a wild guess here. You guys might disagree politically. Would you ever have like a friendly debate with him like political debate or discussion?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:You know, it's interesting, he might he's definitely got different views, especially when it comes to marijuana. And we probably beat each other slow for that. But a lot of his a lot of what he says is, like he says, it's true logic and common sense.
Chuck Shute:Really? Okay, I'm surprised to hear that...
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:You get angry at me. Go ahead. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah. When you tell people the truth, they usually get this thought. And that's what a lot of people get when they hear TedTalk.
Chuck Shute:That's interesting is just so based on your stance on marijuana and the environment, all this I thought I thought you would totally disagree with everything he says. But you're saying
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:I'm an environmentalist. And so is he we actually have a lot of places where we actually are in complete fuckin sync. There's no question about it. There's a lot of things that I completely agree with him. But nope, no question about it. Certainly, if I came, if I was born in Detroit, and was raised there, I believe that owning a gun is ness as a necessity. And a god given right.
Chuck Shute:Well, good. Guns are legal in Canada, right? Still, are they change? Firstly, oh, did they change that?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:What why you can own a gun to Canada.
Chuck Shute:Everybody's so nice. There. I don't think there is there's no,
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:I mean, generally, if you're gonna own a gun in Canada, it's because you're a criminal. Or what about
Chuck Shute:Is there a lot of good hunting and I'm not a hunter, but I assume there's a lot of good hunters.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:There's no question about it. But they don't they don't buy handguns. Okay. handgun,
Chuck Shute:so they could still buy rifles and things.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Oh, yeah. And it is sportsmanship. And that's fine. I don't have a fucking problem with I got a problem with billions and billions of dollars worth of fucking smuggled guns from from the states that are arming all of our all of our fucking all of our criminals. That's what I've got a fucking problem
Chuck Shute:with. Yeah, that's a tough one. It is a problem. What do you do about it?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:And I agree with Ted, making guns illegal, only puts only puts guns in the hands of criminals. You're taking all the guns away from the law abiding citizen. Right. And you're our citizens.
Chuck Shute:It's illegal to kill people.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:And you know what? unarmed and helpless is unarmed and helpless? Yeah. What can I say? It's hard, a lot of things. There's a lot of things that he says that makes sense. The other thing is statistically, he talks about the specifics. He never says anything without the backing of real hard facts. Statistics. gun free zones have the highest bucket murder rates.
Chuck Shute:Because you can't magically get rid of all guns..
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:You can argue from now. He said, watch Pierce. Watch him on Piers Morgan. I saw you everything. Hey, Ted walked all over him. was the Captain America's history and constitution. They're trying really hard, but they're not going to undo it and ain't going to happen. Yeah. So I mean, I'm not American, but I know they're not taking. They're not taking foundational fucking constitutional rights out. Yo,
Chuck Shute:yo seem like an American. You're like not polite enough to be Canadian. I feel like Canadians are usually more subdued. You're like, so you're like an American?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Maybe Maybe that's what's given me my luck. Yeah, maybe Wow, maybe why I've got somewhat of a following in America. Oh, for sure. There's something that that's more relatable to us. Definitely.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, your personality.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:I'm not gonna I'm not gonna start waving the flag take guns away from everybody but that there's a reason for everything man. And and the foundational the whole foundational aspect of America. If it wasn't for the gun, it's the whole fucking the whole being of America's is is written into its history due to the garden How would you fucking won the land?
Chuck Shute:Good point
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:you didn't you didn't beat the the first nation people with a with bow and arrows is the one you're one the land because you had guns?
Chuck Shute:The muskets? Yeah. Yeah, no, that's true. It's a crazy history.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:And the other thing is, you didn't win the second we didn't win the Second World War. With it with a with a fucking with a pie in the face. With a pot on the fucking bomb. Yeah, the ultimate gun.
Chuck Shute:Right? weapons for sure. Right.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:So so what what is the philosophy? What is human philosophy? What is what are we? What are we? We're a we're a fucking fucked up animal. And we're at the top of our food chain. And the only way that we can we can keep the numbers down is killing each other. No, I just just as an observation. You've got everybody's wants to blame their your president. Whether it's Obama, whether it's Trump, whether it's Biden. You guys separated the people. No. Wrong. You're separate to begin with. You're all separated. Everybody's out for themselves. That's the fucking problem. It's not just the good guys the bad guys. It's everybody's a good guy. And everybody's a bad guy.
Chuck Shute:Now this is what this is.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Gonna go on what I'm what I'm saying is you need focal points. Yeah. This is what I have is right now. And during the whole Trump administration, there was no focal point. No war that's my neighbor ain't looking so good to me. Yeah, well,
Chuck Shute:so now I need
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:I need to focus so now I hate democrats or I hate Republicans.
Chuck Shute:Because we're no
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:No, no, you got the democrats back and back in power. And they start up another war with the foot with with a rod series. Now you got your know you got your your focus back, you're gonna know you're gonna have a bunch of other people to hate outside your country, and everything's gonna be fine. And in the house.
Chuck Shute:I just don't we don't start a war with Canada. That would be that would be a rough one.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Yeah, no, it's just it's just kind of an observation. But it's, it's, it's, it's really it's not. It's not just, it's not just it's not just one country. It's its humanity. Its humanity. That's what we really are. We're really barbarians. Were cavemen with computers. Basically.
Chuck Shute:That's an interesting observation, all this great.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:But our brains are still are still living in the caves. We're still competing for power, money. Things that are that are that are our tangible only. Right. You know, it's not it's not like we're trying to do trying to do things to make things good. We're actually trying to do things to make things good for me.
Chuck Shute:While I hope some people,
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Me myself and
Chuck Shute:I hope some people try to do some good things for the world. Are you guys gonna do a tour? Are those tour dates on your website? legit? Are you gonna tour the world and bring Anvil music either? supposed to be supposed to be okay. And and they're not making a sequel? Yeah, so they're not making a sequel to the anvil movie. I know that there's been talking up and now you're saying no, no way. What would you guys just do like a home Video footage because I know when I was a kid I used to watch like, a year and a half and life Metallica and those kinds of things that were just kind of like home videos that they collected and put in a DVD. I
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:haven't thought much about doing that. Honestly, been too busy. After the movie we haven't it's been nonstop. Sure. I mean, this has been the longest this has been in the longest period of time. Since before the movie that I've been off. Hmm. Very, very, very, very weird. Yeah, we've I went 13 years in a row with no time off. Like literally no time off. You know, you finish a tour, you start, right, you're in the writing, and then you got to go on tour again, come back, and you're right, go back tour, and then you go record an album. And after you finish the album, you can start touring again. And it's been non stop for fucking 30 years, up until right now. So it's actually quite, quite remarkable. quite remarkable. And it's really, really concerning. Because, you know, especially when you're turning 65, you're going wow, how many more years? Oh, my God. Really? Yeah. And I want to be on stage and I'm capable of being on stage. I should be doing it while I can. Right.
Chuck Shute:I hope that Yeah.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:And that's really, really bothering me. It's a lot to fucking deal with. But I keep myself extremely busy. Like I said, I went written another album since I got back from UK.
Chuck Shute:Yeah. So when will that next album come out? Are you going to save that till 2022? or?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Yeah, that's going to be 2022. Around this time of year, Okay,
Chuck Shute:perfect. So hopefully we'll look for that hopefully look for shows.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Would you or is it another? another two years, really? Two years? Not not next. I guess it would be, I guess next March. Okay. So yeah. Um, would you tour the state try to get we're gonna try to get it recorded in September of this year. Okay.
Chuck Shute:Yeah. And then when are you guys gonna do any shows in the States? At some point, eventually. Okay.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Well, right now, the borders are closed and we're not coming down. Okay. Is there are there other backlog things even get through the border? That could be even getting us work visas? Because they're going to be backlog? Okay. Fucking tours, right? Yeah. His brother's gonNA.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, cuz
Unknown:I don't know how that's gonna work.
Chuck Shute:Well, hopefully you can get down
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:catch a show. If you're, we don't really we're not. We're not you're particularly fond of the idea of playing shows. And there's 20 people there. And there and we're playing behind Plexiglas that doesn't sound like much fun. No, no, no, we
Chuck Shute:got one I think once they get all the vaccinations, I feel like hopefully things will kind of go back to normal. It's my hope anyway.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:You know, the biggest The biggest problem is the fear.
Chuck Shute:It's a big piece of it.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Yeah. People are scared. Yeah, people are just fucking scared. Yeah, and the more scared they are the more they're making up making up to be scared up. The misinformation out there is unbelievable.
Chuck Shute:Right no...
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:The vaccine has tracking devices in it? For what purpose? What is that about? I wonder where people are getting that from? What and why? Yeah, so it's got metal in it. So they trace you. Well, let me tell you something, our bloodstream is based on iron. We've already got metal in our fucking blood!
Chuck Shute:true it's true.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Is this why they need Why are they tracking?
Chuck Shute:Is this why you are you don't go on social media you're tracking?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Oh, where am I?
Chuck Shute:You're breaking up.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:fucking stupid.
Chuck Shute:Yeah. And this is why you don't go on social media because you don't want to hear about all this.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Right? Yeah, I'm on Facebook. I fucking had enough. Does Rob read
Chuck Shute:your Facebook page, though?
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Rob Runs it...
Chuck Shute:Okay. Cool. Well, I do like to end each episode with a charity is there a charity that you work whether you want To get a kind of a shout out to her at the end.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Not really. charities. Jeez. I get it. You know, there's always the same charity starts at home. I think I think anything that gives help to children.
Chuck Shute:Okay, that's where it should go. Okay, sounds good. Yeah, I have a lot of those
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:most, most believe.
Chuck Shute:Okay, sounds good. I'll put that in the notes. I'll put all the intervals website on there and people should check it for tour dates. And now all the records are catalog the Spotify. You got a lot of great music and can people just see the movie? If they haven't seen it? It's so great. I've watched it twice now. It's amazing.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Read the book. It's even better. Oh, I
Chuck Shute:haven't read the book at all. So check that out. Well, thanks so much for doing this. Find the book on Amazon. Yeah,
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:it's out there.
Chuck Shute:I'll check that out. Thanks so much for doing this and hope to see a show from you. I've never seen you guys live. So hopefully if you come to Phoenix or nearby, I'll come and check out the fun. Okay, sounds good, man.
Steve "Lips" Kudlow:Let's Let's just hope that this fucking bullshit pandemic ends sooner than later.
Chuck Shute:Yeah, me too. I hope so. Alright, thanks so much lips. I'll see you later.
Unknown:Okay, take care.
Chuck Shute:Bye. Bye. Wow. So that was lips of Advil. Definitely not boring. He's very passionate about his music, and the band Advil and his stances on weed and many other things. And again, if you disagree with him, that's okay. But don't assume that I am agreeing with everything he says either. I definitely appreciate his openness and honesty about all his opinions, though. And whether you agree or not, it's always interesting to hear what people think about things. I found it really interesting that he thinks a big part of success is luck. Because I personally think it's a very small part. I think he had talent. I think he made good relationships with people and I think he worked hard and had perseverance. And I think that was what attributed for a lot of his success. But anyways, check out the anvil website for tour dates and merchandise and all that good stuff. You can follow them on Facebook to keep up with them. And while you're on there, you can follow my podcast page or if you want to subscribe to the YouTube channel or Spotify or wherever you listen. If you enjoyed this episode, you can share it on your social media or if you hated it, you can tell me to fuck off on social media. So thank you for listening to the show. I hope you have a great day and remember, shoot for the moon.