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And just kind of and"},{"speaker":"Tony Harnell","startTime":3696.18,"endTime":3699.42,"body":"it may, it may turn out that"},{"speaker":"Tony Harnell","startTime":3696.18,"endTime":3699.42,"body":"once I finish it, I go, this is"},{"speaker":"Tony Harnell","startTime":3699.42,"endTime":3700.14,"body":"really boring."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3701.52,"endTime":3704.55,"body":"That's funny. Well,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3701.52,"endTime":3704.55,"body":"I look forward toit,  I think"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3704.55,"endTime":3708.18,"body":"t sounds really interesting."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3706.26,"endTime":3709.437,"body":"Well, I like to end each episode"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3706.26,"endTime":3709.437,"body":"with a charity or nonprofit or"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3709.488,"endTime":3712.514,"body":"somebody something that you'd"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3709.488,"endTime":3712.514,"body":"like to support or tell people"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3712.564,"endTime":3715.44,"body":"to donate if they have a few"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3712.564,"endTime":3715.44,"body":"extra dollars laying around."},{"speaker":"Tony Harnell","startTime":3716.1,"endTime":3719.85,"body":"I would love to"},{"speaker":"Tony Harnell","startTime":3716.1,"endTime":3719.85,"body":"support music hears I think they"},{"speaker":"Tony Harnell","startTime":3719.88,"endTime":3724.92,"body":"are an incredible organization,"},{"speaker":"Tony Harnell","startTime":3719.88,"endTime":3724.92,"body":"they have helped so many people"},{"speaker":"Tony Harnell","startTime":3724.92,"endTime":3728.43,"body":"that I know, including myself at"},{"speaker":"Tony Harnell","startTime":3724.92,"endTime":3728.43,"body":"the beginning of the pandemic."},{"speaker":"Tony Harnell","startTime":3728.76,"endTime":3734.04,"body":"Um, so yeah, definitely for"},{"speaker":"Tony Harnell","startTime":3728.76,"endTime":3734.04,"body":"anybody that that knows about"},{"speaker":"Tony Harnell","startTime":3734.04,"endTime":3736.86,"body":"them. They know how great their"},{"speaker":"Tony Harnell","startTime":3734.04,"endTime":3736.86,"body":"work is. And if you don't know,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3736.86,"endTime":3738.63,"body":"go to their website"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3736.86,"endTime":3738.63,"body":"and check them out. I'll put"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3738.63,"endTime":3741.12,"body":"that in the notes as well. So"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3738.63,"endTime":3741.12,"body":"thank you so much, Tony. This"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3741.12,"endTime":3743.31,"body":"has been really fun. I learned a"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3741.12,"endTime":3743.31,"body":"lot about you."},{"speaker":"Tony Harnell","startTime":3743.79,"endTime":3744.48,"body":"Thank you check."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3744.509,"endTime":3749.759,"body":"Okay, I'll talk to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3744.509,"endTime":3749.759,"body":"you later. Bye. So much music"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3749.759,"endTime":3753.149,"body":"Tony has recorded you can listen"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3749.759,"endTime":3753.149,"body":"to a lot of it on Spotify and"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3753.149,"endTime":3756.239,"body":"decide for yourself what you"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3753.149,"endTime":3756.239,"body":"like. I look forward to those"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3756.239,"endTime":3760.409,"body":"other TNT albums being released"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3756.239,"endTime":3760.409,"body":"someday, and maybe seeing TMT"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3760.409,"endTime":3764.429,"body":"perform in the future as well."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3760.409,"endTime":3764.429,"body":"Check the notes of this podcast"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3764.429,"endTime":3768.239,"body":"for all the links we discussed."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3764.429,"endTime":3768.239,"body":"Tony singing course has charity,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3768.479,"endTime":3771.719,"body":"my website with all my stuff is"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3768.479,"endTime":3771.719,"body":"in there as well. And if you"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3771.719,"endTime":3775.019,"body":"enjoyed this episode, tell a"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3771.719,"endTime":3775.019,"body":"friend and make sure to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3775.019,"endTime":3777.839,"body":"subscribe to the show so that"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3775.019,"endTime":3777.839,"body":"you don't miss any future"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3777.839,"endTime":3781.019,"body":"episodes. If you'd like this one"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3777.839,"endTime":3781.019,"body":"you'll really like some of the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3781.019,"endTime":3784.679,"body":"ones I have lined up. Should be"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3781.019,"endTime":3784.679,"body":"a lot of fun. So thank you for"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3784.679,"endTime":3788.009,"body":"taking the time to listen to the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3784.679,"endTime":3788.009,"body":"show. I really appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3788.279,"endTime":3791.399,"body":"Have a great day. And remember"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3788.279,"endTime":3791.399,"body":"to shoot for the moon."}]}