Chuck Shute Podcast

Joey Allen (Warrant guitarist)

April 16, 2021 Joey Allen Season 3 Episode 125
Chuck Shute Podcast
Joey Allen (Warrant guitarist)
Show Notes Transcript

Episode 125- Joey Allen of Warrant!!! It’s always a special treat to sit down with a member of one of your favorite bands and this is no exception. One of the best interviews I’ve ever done, certainly one of the most fun. Interviewing Joey was like chatting with an old friend. He had some great stories including playing in a band with Lars Ulrich (Metallica), the on stage accident with Jani Lane, Tommy Lee’s “present” on the Feelgood tour, why they were kicked off the Poison Flesh & Blood tour and more! Plus he reveals a special project the band is working on that every fan will love. 

0:00:00 - Intro
0:01:27 - Growing Up in Orange County 
0:03:01 - Playing with Lars Ulrich (Metallica) 
0:04:15 - Knightmare II & Other Bands Before Warrant
0:06:08 - Show at Roxy & Jani Lane Injury
0:07:30 - Warrant Club Days & Friends with Bands
0:10:30 - The Band Getting Signed 
0:11:43 - Choosing a Producer 
0:13:10 - D.R.F.S.R. Album Cover 
0:15:32 - Hearing "Down Boys" on the Radio 
0:16:35 - Tommy Lee Gives the Band a "Present" 
0:19:13 - "Cherry Pie" Album & Song 
0:21:57 - Rolling Stone, Cherry Pie & Cancel Culture
0:26:03 - Poison Flesh & Blood Tour 
0:28:38 - Blood, Sweat & Beers Tour 
0:30:30 - "Dog Eat Dog" Dedication to Joey 
0:32:35 - "Pop Music" Song 
0:34:45 - First Single from "Dog Eat Dog" 
0:36:40 - Favorite Songs & Singles
0:38:20 - Grunge Era & Joey's Hiatus 
0:42:10 - Musical Projects During Warrant Hiatus 
0:44:20 - Adam Carolla, Dave Navarro & Jani Lane Reunion 
0:46:30 - Attempts to Help Jani Lane & Tragedy 
0:50:30 - Louder, Harder & Faster Album & Video 
0:53:28 - Warrant Set List 
0:54:38 - Pandemic & Next Warrant Record 
0:55:53 - Concerts & Shows with Other Bands 
0:57:15 - Charities - Children, Breast Cancer & Autism  
0:58:38 - Life Advice 
0:59:30 - Warrant Documentary 
1:00:45 - Wrap Up 

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Chuck Shute:

Welcome to the show and thank you for listening. While it's episodes like these that reminds me why I do this, why I took the leap and put my heart and soul into doing this podcast. Joey Allen, it's Horace, for one of my all time favorite bands warrant is my guest today. And I know they say don't meet your heroes. But I absolutely love meeting my heroes, as I've said before, and talking with them is amazing. And this episode is no exception. Sometimes you just click with a guest and I think this is one of those times. Talking with Joey it felt like chatting with an old friend. You know, we were joking around and laughing and he just said so many great stories he tells me about playing in a band with Lars or work from Metallica to joining warrant and having a little accident on stage with Janie lane. Hidden images on that first album cover the story of a present that Tommy Lee gave him on the Motley Crue tour, why warrant left the poison tour his thoughts on kancil culture. And at the end he'll tell me about a fun project that the band is working on that I am excited about. And I'm sure all big fans will be as well. So I really hope you guys enjoy this one because I certainly did. Oh my god, this is amazing. Welcome Joey Allen guitarist of warrant. This is like this like my dream come true to talk to you. It's so cool to talk to Eric. And now I get to talk to you. This is amazing.

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Chuck Shute:

Yeah, you should check out that episode. I was a lot of fun. But now I know all this stuff about you. It's really exciting. So you're from like, Orange County area. Is that right?

Joey Allen:

I was born in Fort Wayne, Indiana. A long, long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. I grew up in I grew up in Irvine.

Chuck Shute:

Did you grow up? You say you grew up in the same areas the guys from like lit and rage against the machine and no doubt.

Joey Allen:

Um, you know, I think the guitar player Tom from no doubt went to Woodbridge high which was in between Irvine high and university high with the university high. And then the bass player from rage. His brother was in my class. I think he was a few classes behind me in my high school, and then Will Ferrell. Actor extraordinary. Yeah. Was a year or two behind me at my high school.

Chuck Shute:

Wow. Do you ever have any interactions with him?

Joey Allen:

You know, if I did, I don't. I don't remember. He probably came to I played No, back in those days is when you played the cager parties, you know? Yeah. So like, instead of going to the dances, we'd be setting up the band at the cager parties for after the dance.

Chuck Shute:

Nice. So when did you play in this three piece band with Lars over it from Metallica, I think was called was it called White lightning?

Joey Allen:

Yeah, it wasn't a three piece. It was actually a five piece it was right when he moves. Right when he moved from Denmark to Newport Beach. He lived in a tennis community called Park Newport. He put a he put an ad out in the recycler. And we answered the ad and he had a guitar player guy named Lloyd grant who actually played on I think Hit the lights on that metal massacre record. Okay. So it was me on rhythm guitar Lloyd on lead guitar. A friend of mine, Jeff Brooks on bass and then another friend of mine, Dave Colton that I grew up with. Tried tried to sing at the time. We were all so young. You know, Lars was too but he he was one that turned me on to a lot of the new wave of British heavy metal and some of the bands that like tygers of pan Tang and diamond Ed. Okay, that's like that. And then when he went back to Denmark for a little stint at that time, I asked Lloyd if you want to get another drummer and he said, No, I'm going to stick with Lars. And I said, Okay, and that was it. And then look at Lars now and you know, he's got a bigger pool than I do.

Chuck Shute:

Nice. So then you join this band at some point you join up with air Turner and nightmare nightmare to there's like a to tally marks I don't read never understood the name. But anyway, that was like the 80s. I feel like everyone had these weird kind of spellings and things. And then you left that band for suspect. And then at one point, this is like your story kind of takes this detour. You were like a janitor. And then you went to school for electric engineering and you worked for Jackson guitars. And then you had been like 15 or 20 bands before you end up ended up meeting back up with Eric for Warren. Was there other musicians that you worked with anybody that we'd recognize or no?

Joey Allen:

No, I mean, you've got it pretty Right. I mean, I met Eric when I was in the band nightmare to he wanted to jam in that band and he came in and we jammed for a while then I left with that suspect and and then there There was another band called target that I was in with some with some guys that I still you know talk to now and then and and then him Johnny rocks who's out in is out in Vegas plays around a lot out there is super cool guy. And then when I moved to Hollywood I auditioned for like a number of different bands. And some I got invited to play in some I did and the ones I got invited to plan I didn't necessarily care to be in and some of the ones that it didn't get invited to plan I would have liked to but you know, fate has a way it's word of working itself out

Chuck Shute:

did any any of those other ones that you didn't make it to those bands take off?

Joey Allen:

No, there was one really kind of cool one called forgotten child. They were penally AC DC, but a little heavier. Hmm. And I just I think they and in fact, one of the guys was in the 18 and live video. Ah, but that band was fun, but they were just they were a little more high octane than I cared to be at the time. Okay.

Chuck Shute:

So then Eric brings you back and you join warrants. And obviously, the rest is history. You guys are like a big club band. But so tell you about the Sunset Strip days like I heard this story last night where Jamie was talking about. He was there play you guys are playing show at the Roxy and he was laying on the floor and he was holding his mic, kind of next to his junk and you jumped on him like Joe not accidentally not on purpose. Not trying to hurt him. But you cause an injury to his genitals so bad that he had to be rushed to the hospital. Is that a true story?

Joey Allen:

I don't know. I mean, it is a true story. I might have been embellished a little bit by the rescue to the hospital.

Chuck Shute:

Well, he said he pulled his pants down and there was like blood all over and he goes Oh, I think I better go to the doctor.

Joey Allen:

He was laying on the ground. He put his mic Where's junk is like he was you know, like he had a hard day.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah.

Joey Allen:

And I was just joking around and act like a chicken went and like, down on it one time. And I guess those old mics had a little not a little hidden switch. They were a little toggle switch. Oh, then that might have like, pinch to stuff it had to be. It was a little switch. So it's just joking. It was it was it was just bad timing for him. That's crazy. Remember, he went to the hospital or not?

Chuck Shute:

Okay. Well, he said obviously, it worked out. Okay. It was able to have kids later so. So for that. Yeah, for that year before you got the deal. What was it like cuz sometimes I hear people say those are the best times like before you make it is like the most fun because it's like the potential of possibly get getting there.

Joey Allen:

Yeah, I mean, it's just you're in your early 20s you're playing a gig. You know, once a month, we played two nights at the country club on a Friday to Saturday night to 900 or 1000 people sold out. And then we'd go play a Sunday night either at the trube troubadour, the whiskey or the rock see the trifecta of gigs every month and that would make us enough money to put to make enough fliers and Colby boards to go out and do it every month and just re you know, just as much groundwork as possible, you know, in passing out flyers going to the forum. You know, Van Halen was playing at the forum we go down there with 5000 fliers and hit as many cars as we could before we got kicked out so that was a lot of fun those trips and just the gigs and all the people you meet on the way up so many different you know, producers and record company people and you know, at the same time though, you got to live a life so I had a day gig you know, I worked at Jackson Chevelle for a few years there and so even though you'd go out until Tinder night Tim you know 10 or 11 at night during the week the flyer I would get up early and go to my gig you know, a few of the other guy's didn't have gigs after a while you know? So it was a lot of fun man the clubs were cool. While a lot of fun memories

Chuck Shute:

for you which bands were you guys good friends with at that time? Were you good friends with poison you guys open for them on the strip?

Joey Allen:

Yeah, I when I when I wasn't in the band when weren't when more and open up with them. But they were very supportive when we were up and coming when I got into the band and would come out when they were off tour and come to our gigs and get up on stage with us. I I went through a bunch of stuff last year probably like not not unlike a lot of people cleaning out old photo bands and stuff like that. I found a bunch of old pictures of Bobby and Brett Ricky and CC up on stage with the Country Club. And so poison was a band that we were tight with some of the guys, I'm trying to think of other bands that we were really that every band was trying so hard that it wasn't I guess we were cool with the malls at the time. We actually ended up touring with them right. Who else did we hang out? There were a lot of bands that opened up. Taz was one of the bands that I was really tight with the guitar player into as and then Kenny the drummer in tabs actually set in for Steven at the at the Santa Monica civic. When we opened for Ted Nugent before we had a record deal, because Stephen had broken his wrist.

Chuck Shute:

There was a lot of injuries. It sounds like,

Joey Allen:

Yeah, well, when you're young, and you drink a lot, you bump into

Chuck Shute:

guests. And then that's the concert that got you guys signed, Janie had to play with chickenpox, but you got signed anyways, it makes me wonder, like, Did his performance suffer at all? I mean, other than it was kind of cut short.

Joey Allen:

It was a shorter gig. We used to do, you know, an hour and 20 minutes or an hour and 10 or something like that. And I think that was half as long because he was just, he was sick, you know? Yeah. And that's the one where our manager came back and said, okay, Columbia is ready to sign you and it was just kind of anti climatic, the bleeding to really, you know, really think we Yeah, because you think you do all these killer gigs with all because we made everything a production, we had staging. We had this guy named Mark workman who brought in extra lights and sirens and everything. And we made every gig was we tried to make it as big as possible, you know, in a club setting. And, and this gig was like, okay, we can only play half the gig cuz Janie's sick. So let's just get in, get out. And see do that. And then that's the gig, you get signed on. You know, that's hilarious. We were stoked, but it's like, you know, we didn't all the extra effort wasn't there.

Chuck Shute:

That's funny. Yeah. So I mean, it paid off. So then you get assigned, and then you're picking your producer, and there's a couple guys that you passed on. That is a Bob ezrin. Is that the same from kiss?

Joey Allen:

Kiss in Pink Floyd? Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

yeah. And then Roy Thomas Baker, who told me the story you said you went into his mansion. And he had the piano that Bohemian Rhapsody was recorded. That's crazy that

Joey Allen:

he lived. He lived up off of sunset and Kings Road. Anybody in Hollywood knows where that's at. And he had a house up there. And we went through that with him. And I remember the meeting, but I remember the piano and he told us that was the one that that Freddie played on Bohemian Rhapsody. And we were all blown away but it just didn't you know, even though I'm a huge Queen fan back from the first record it just didn't sink in. You know, I mean, at the time, it was all about poison and motley and rat and everybody that was on the strip from the strip Van Halen was a little earlier but even then, and so that's what our focus was, you know that whole genre so picking a guy like Roy Thomas Baker I mean the car he did the cars records which are brilliant. I

Chuck Shute:

love those.

Joey Allen:

I would I would jump at the chance to work with right Thomas Baker definitely nowadays but back then we were we were just all young and looking for somebody that to get the sound we wanted to get right in Bo Hill you

Chuck Shute:

picked him because he also he was younger, but and also Yeah, he doesn't like the rat and all that kind of stuff. So I was a little better fit. So then you take that cover, which of course I have it right here. You know, it's it's designed by a guy named Mark ryden who worked for Disney and he also did Aerosmith love in an elevator is this picture is it based on a specific record label executive we could say now because you obviously aren't there anymore. No,

Joey Allen:

we were I remember we were set this is my memory of it. At least we were setting we had two apartments in Van Nuys, California we called it van hell because we didn't live in the good part. We couldn't afford it. So Eric and Eric and Janie were in one apartment and Jerry and Stephen and I were in another apartment I actually my room was under under the stairs because I was the new guy so but we we were sitting in one of those apartments talking about what we're going to name our first record and one of the songs is dirty, rotten filthy, stinking rich. And the idea you know, I think I said it whoever said it it doesn't matter. But I remember let's just make it of this you know, just over the top record executive that's just baton flowing with money and and everybody kind of bought into it. We went we told the people at Columbia Records about it and then they they got mark, you know, on the line and in I guess the rest is history. I mean, he did a brilliant job. He did Beck's garage, which is killer. He's just a great artist. There's a lot of stuff hidden in that in that record. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

so that's what I or Turner said I heard that last night and I was looking I was looking so close. I'm like is it really hidden? Where is it I can't see anything.

Joey Allen:

There's like on the on the Rolex instead of Rolex. It says reiden one of the dollars it says I think it says an Elvis we trust. Ah, stuff in there. You got to look is there

Chuck Shute:

where's the name? Good lady. I couldn't find that was what I was looking for. I couldn't find that

Joey Allen:

I could find it if it was in front of me, but okay, I don't know off the top of my head. It's been so long. I'll have to have to keep looking then. So Ronnie, I would love to have the original artwork. That's

Chuck Shute:

so amazing. Yeah, I think is he he's like a real full on like, artists doing like shows like, uh, art shows and stuff now, huh.

Joey Allen:

I guess I should look him up and see and try to reach out.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. That's very cool. Yeah, so then anyways, you guys do these tours before the record drops, which was smart. But tell me the story about this is kind of a cool story I heard you tell about the first time you heard down boys on the radio.

Joey Allen:

So back in the day, my dad worked for Alpine car stereos he was a he was a vice president of that company. And so everybody in the band that had a car had had a nice Alpine stereo courtesy of my father and I remember that I gotten the tape of it, of the first record. And as I drive around in my car, I'd be listening to here and there you know back there because I was proud of it and happy and and I remember turning my car on one time and down boys was on and I didn't want to I didn't. I'm like I've heard this too much. I'm done. And I went to eject it. And I couldn't inject it because it was on the radio. And that's the first time I heard our song on the radio. That is so cool. I didn't want to hear it. I had no choice exactly to turn it off. So then I wanted to listen to what they would say after the song and it's pretty cool.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, that is awesome. And then you guys you know you've done the shows with a Paul Stanley and Eddie money and stuff. But then you did a tour with the Crue- Motley Crue. And they started out sober but as the tour went on, they became less sober. I heard this story I don't know if this is even true that you have to confirm this or, or deny it. But after you guys heard that you I think I don't know if it was heaven hit number one or two or something. There was a big landmark, your record hit number one or went platinum, that you trashed your dressing room, and Tommy Lee was pissed. So he delivered a plate of shit to you guys. Is that a true story?

Joey Allen:

True story, 110% true- when we were on tour... we were fired up. We had been on tour. I mean, I think that first record we toured like 280 plus shows, Erik's got the exact numbers he keeps all that stuff, I think but um, so we're on tour with the Crue. We're having a great time they were still sober. They didn't get they didn't start to waver until the end of the end of our leg of that tour. Okay, I was with Tommy when when he started to do that. We were out of the club having some fun one night But anyways,

Chuck Shute:

so you're a bad influence is what you're saying.

Joey Allen:

Hey, man, he asked... Okay, I just complied.. Hey, when the headliner asked for something What do you

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, so is his idea to go out to the bars, you know, like, okay, twist my arm I'll go party with Tommy Lee.

Joey Allen:

It was really it was a ladies establishment or a gentleman's establishment so to speak.

Chuck Shute:

Okay, was that

Joey Allen:

Yeah, so in Atlanta, but anyways, back to the shit on the plate. So at one gig, we .. you get out on the road, you miss home, you just you've been hung over drunk, whatever, and we just thrashed our tour- our dressing room in the arena. And that means just made a mess. We didn't burn anything. We didn't break anything. I don't think we might have broken some but nothing, no windows or anything. Maybe some furniture and the next day we walked into our dressing room and there was nothing- like no furniture, no catering, nothing, no towels, no nothing, just just a room, like four walls. And about five minutes go by and knock on the door and we answer it and it's Tommy with the with the plate of shit. And he just goes I heard you guys, didn't get any catering today. So I thought I'd bring this up for you. And I think they might have got somebody got tagged with- it was probably a grand to clean up the room or something. Yeah, maybe they got charged with it or, I'm sure they charged us back but it was just their way of saying keep your keep your shit together, so to speak, or it'll end up on a plate.

Chuck Shute:

That's pretty funny. So then, the next you guys get pulled off a tour to work on cherry pie. Is it true? What one of the working titles for that record was vertical smile.

Joey Allen:

I remember that one. I remember quality you can taste. I don't remember Janie talked about having it be called Uncle Tom's Cabin. I don't remember that as much as quality you can taste okay. But I remember we were done recording and then Jerry and I took off for a golf celebrity golf tournament with with a guy named Gary Morris. He's a country artist. And he's also been on on on Broadway and played the you know, Les Miz. He was he was john paul. He's super great singer, same manager. So he's really good friend. We went played this celebrity golf tournament for some charity in Denver. And we got literally called back too. There goes the gardener got called back to record cherry pie literally a day or two later. Yeah. Well, and

Chuck Shute:

you had an interesting take on that. Because, you know, obviously everyone has heard Jamie say, like, Oh, I didn't, you know, I hated that song. And I hated being the Cherry Pie Guy. But you said that at the time, you don't remember him complaining about it too much. Because you guys were like, killing it. So like, I don't think he was complaining at that point.

Joey Allen:

Well, he wrote it. And we recorded it. And we all liked it. It was catchy. He got he was single. You got to look through a book of models to pick a girl to be in the video. I don't think he was calling to complain too much about any of that. Right? And the success of that record and that tour, you know, being able to go from opening for poison to headlining our own arenas, you know, kind of speaks for itself back in the day. So I get it. I mean, his his catalogue is way deeper than that software and there's, there's songs I appreciate, you know, listening to a lot more than that song, but to be bummed about it is is kind of a I it's disturbing to me because you should be proud of what of your work, you know, yeah, I think generally he was he was probably just bummed that you know, he didn't get the recognition he thought he should get as a songwriter.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, for the other stuff, but that cherry pie, so I knew that I had cc DeVille did the solo but I didn't know this at the beginning that screen that's why is that Dee Snider? That's like, that's lifted from Why did the bowhill put that screen from D Snyder on there?

Joey Allen:

That's not the Snyder what the one dirty rotten filthy

Chuck Shute:

at the very beginning before you guys say dirty goes you know the ah, like that scream?

Joey Allen:

I didn't I don't think that's the Snyder that's what

Chuck Shute:

somebody said. So maybe that's not true, then. I haven't heard that one. Okay, well, Rolling Stone didn't like the Cherry Pie music video. They call it the most tasteless video of 1990. It reminds me(Joey does a devil horns gesture) I love that... It reminds me of that scene in Spinal Tap where they say the album cover is sexist. And the musicians like what's wrong with being sexy? And they're like, no SEXIST. But are you worried about that? Now with this whole like me too, and everybody being going back and finding stuff to cancel? Are you worried that someone's gonna start a cancel campaign against Warrant or the album or the video?

Joey Allen:

Uh, you know, what's, what's amazing back then is, is Rolling Stone was very choosy about what they do and what they think is art and their Little Rock and Roll Hall of Fame club and all that bullshit. And to have them not like something is like a badge of honor for me. Because I'm not a big fan of Rolling Stone. I never was. I was more of a Circus and Cream guy. You know, I like those magazines. So anyways, thinking that song is sexist, the video misogynistic in any way- It was tongue in cheek. It was supposed to it was supposed to arouse the senses and get you to think either if you're a young man, about some you know hot girl in a video, take it from there or if you are a liberal Tipper Gore type of person that would might piss you off and today's cancel whatever you want to call it, environments, they can think whatever they want. I really don't care. I don't subscribe to it. I'm a real guy that works hard and takes care of my family and my friends and that whole vibe is just disturbing to me to be honest with you.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, I loved it as a kid and I love the the last track- the Ode to tipper Gore, where you guys just swear for like an entire minute. It's like this compilation of Fuck, fuck, fuck, and I thought it was great. I love that kind of stuff. But yeah, it is interesting to see. I don't know if times it feels like stuff is cyclical, though. Maybe it's going to shift back I hope because I loved all the kind of stuff when I was a kid. And I still I still enjoy now. Well,

Joey Allen:

it is what it is, man. I mean. I mean, Jani ended up marrying the girl and having a beautiful daughter together. And it's so I mean, like, like you said, How more sexy is that? Right?

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, it's

Joey Allen:

just, it's just weird what people go after nowadays. And I think that people should just, if everybody in the United States got a job and worked for a living, it'd be a much better place.

Chuck Shute:

Well, and don't you think that if people created their own like you created this, I mean, you're part of... you didn't create the whole thing by yourself. But you're part of this band, you're having creative control. Rather than everyone just being an employee, don't you think more people should create their own businesses or things like that and have their own projects or their own podcasts like me?

Joey Allen:

I think the only thing we're we're entitled to in the United States of America - we're not really not entitled to anything but if you get an opportunity what you make of it is your own, and some people take opportunities and run with them and some people sleep in. And you know, I'm the kind of

guy that gets up at 4:

35am in the morning and I work my ass off all day. I've got a day gig when I tour with Warrant I work 70-80 hours a week. So to have some punter Tell me what they think about my video. And when I want to, the pound of me to movement or any of that I have no reason to give a give a shit. I have a daughter, she's 30 she's educated, she takes care of herself. And I think we've got to be responsible as human beings. I don't think anybody in Warrant is misogynistic. All of us have wives. And, and some of you know, I've got a daughter, like I said, so it's just people to subscribe to weird things. And they go down these rabbit holes, and it's really unfortunate.

Chuck Shute:

Well, so back to that time, after, are they when they do that album comes out? And then you guys tour with poison on the flesh and blood tour. What happened on that tour? Did you get cut short, I heard I thought I heard somebody say something, there was a blowout with Poison.

Joey Allen:

We were having a great time, they were having a great time, I think they were a little pissed that sometimes the when the setup would happen in a bigger place, they put a bunch of subs on the floor, and Jani would run out on the subs and do and we would use the stage that was there. Okay, and I think that that pissed somebody off in Poison. So what they did was they put up at one gig, these big eight by four plywood, whatever you want to call them just you couldn't get on the subs. Right? So they were like big barriers. Right.

Chuck Shute:

Okay.

Joey Allen:

And, and we knew it before we went on, we were kind of pissed. Like, why would they do that? We've got like two and a half, three weeks left to this tour... And so Jani went out there being himself and ripped down those barriers and ran out on the subs like he normally did. It kind of pissed us off. We're like, why would you do that? Yeah, you guys have like 10 times as many lights 10 times as much stage room, Pyro, your drum set goes up and down. All we have as these two set carts and about a quarter of the stage room and part of its these two holes up front that if you don't watch what you're doing, you're gonna fall in. And so when we got done with that gig, and it was in Montana, and it was snowing, and we came offstage, and Scotty Ross, who was Poisons tour manager, apologized and said, I'm sorry, but you guys are fired from the tour. And there was a line of yellow jacket security guy going, not going to our dressing room, but going out the back door out into the snow, we had to walk into our tour bus, like drenched, damn and, and we were pissed. We're like, that's not cool. And we said, Okay, you know what? We got it. Fuck it. We're out, you know. And then we went back to our hotel room, or a hotel. We had a few cocktails. They came by after their show. To talk about it. We just said there's nothing to talk about. You know? That was a long, long, long time ago. Whoever in the band did it. I don't care. I'm friends with all those guys. We are all friends with them. It's kind of funny to talk about it now.

Chuck Shute:

Okay, well, that's cool.

Joey Allen:

My perspective, you know,

Chuck Shute:

yeah.

Joey Allen:

Everybody's got a different story about what really went down. But that's what I remember.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, that was like 30 years ago. So But anyway, so then you guys go do this other tour, the blood, sweat and tears to her. I've heard nothing but amazing stories about this. It sounds like so much fun. I've heard stories from Eric PJ bill. Mark. I mean, everybody. So do you have a memory? Or story from this tour that stands out? Because I mean, it just sounds like there's so many.

Joey Allen:

You know, I you know, it's funny. As I talked to Steve brown from trickster, we see each other out on gigs, or he's a dear friend. And he told me that one time because there was we had a 40 by 60 stage right? Yeah, there were two dressing rooms. There was a dressing room underneath stage left the dressing room understood need stage right. And stage right was Eric, and Jerry and Steven and stage left was Janie and i and i remember Steve Brown with his it was under the stage. So you come in from the back and go up and under to get to these things. And I remember Steve brown told me that he came into the dressing room about two minutes before he went on one time. And I was on the ground with my guitar strapped on trying to sleep because I hadn't gone to sleep. And then, you know, he said, Hey, and then my tech came in and grabbed my hand and pulled me up and out on stage I went so that's a that's a bit of a memory that I don't remember. But

Chuck Shute:

yeah, so let's go Pretty crazy you guys were so you said something like you were so busy at that point it because it's the height of success for the band for the band and you weren't really able to reflect and enjoy it as much because you're just you're so busy working all the time.

Joey Allen:

Yeah, I mean, you just work, work work and you don't you know, you don't really have a, you're in a different city every day, you don't have a barometer of where you're at, or what day of the week it is, you just go to work as much as you can, you know. So Wow, a lot

Chuck Shute:

of work. That's crazy. So then the next record doggy dog, one of my favorites, and Janie wrote in the liner notes, this album was dedicated to you. And you're one of the most underrated guitars and rock today. Do you agree with that statement? Now,

Joey Allen:

there's a reason why you wrote that. When we were doing that record, I was working really, really, really hard on my playing. I was taking lessons from a few different guys, and just working hard because I just wanted to really step out and do as much as I could as a lead guitar player. And, and we were working with Michael Wagner. And he was, you know, it worked with Nuno and work with Scotty and David, in, in Skid Row wanted to step up. So I did. And because I was working so hard. I'm like, you know what, I want some more of the publishing. You know, I'm working on my guitar parts, all this stuff. And so I hit my manager up and I'm like, a, it's funny that I couldn't just go to Layne and say, Hey, man, I'm working my ass off. Give me a few more points, you know. But I went to our manager, our manager went to Janie Jake and I was like this, this tennis match. But he I think he put that on there to appease me and for all the hard work I made, you know, put forth on that record. So super, super nice of him.

Chuck Shute:

To give you more points to know.

Joey Allen:

Oh, but um, but it was a great it was that was probably the best time for warrant I think because we were fresh off two world tours. We were playing really good as a band. We were really jelling. And the you know, for me, the guy that likes the heavier stuff in the band. That was heavier, you know? Yeah. And Mike, Michael Wagner was a totally different producers and bowhill you can hear the guitars, you know, and we really took a lot more time on guitars on that record than the prior two. So it was a lot of fun for me.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. So Jamie specifically wanted to write kind of a harder and darker record because he didn't want the band to be seen as a pop metal band. But I heard you talking about the song. I had never heard about this song pop music. And I went out and I found it on YouTube. Dude, this is such a catchy fun song. I think if people are fans of the first two records would love this. I was like getting a Christmas present for me listening to this yesterday, but you didn't like it. In fact, you sabotaged it so that it wouldn't go on the record? How did you do that? What did you how did you sabotage the guitar tracks?

Joey Allen:

Well, it wasn't really a sabotage. But we you know, you have like 14 or 15 songs you want to record? Yeah, that was one of them. Right? So, you know, you're setting they're doing rhythm tracks, you know, which are rather easy to two or three tracks and onto the next song. And I remember coming to that song. And it's setting with all those other songs, the machine gun hole in my wall, bitter pill, all these just heavy, heavy, heavy song and pop music stuck out like a sore thumb. And if we were going to make cherry pie version two, that would have been great. But it would have had to be a less dark record than you know all the other songs like, you know, Andy Warhol was right. And all those teams on that record was so heavy and dark. And pop music just didn't make it. So we basically did the rhythm tracks kind of haphazardly. Then when Janie came into Listen, we just had come to Jesus about the song and said, Hey, man, this doesn't fit, you know, in hindsight, wouldn't have been great to be on that record. I don't think so. Because didn't fit

Chuck Shute:

could have been on like a soundtrack or like an extra bonus track on the on the best of Greatest Hits or something. Because,

Joey Allen:

you know, he wrote a lot of really, really great tunes, catchy tunes. And, and that was one of them. It would be great to re record that if he was still around with him. But otherwise, you know, the version you heard, I think it's probably the demo version. And that's it.

Chuck Shute:

That's pretty good. Yeah. But so the record label, they wanted hole in my wall as the first single but Genie push for machine gun. Did they not try to go in and say hey, you need to make another cherry pie type of song do you think? Did they just kind of give up on the band at that point because of the music scene change or do they just trust him because he had had some He hits.

Joey Allen:

I don't know what their thinking was. You'd have to have an interview with Donnie Einar. Oh, okay. Monro Ron Overman, who was one of the guys that signed us along with a guy named red. Getting us Lastly, oh, it's gonna kill me. I'll remember in a minute those guys just made those guys made decisions as executives on what they were going to do you know with the record and what they were going to push they're the ones who had to have the guys all the team of promotion go out and and work the songs you know, I thought hole in my wall would have been great because we could have done the whole voyeurism thing and think about the video would have been great. Great. You know, backup to to Uncle Tom's Cabin. And or, you know, something that we did that was a little heavier. But we did machine gun about a tattoo gun and it was pretty cool. That's pretty loud. Is that is that bugging you?

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, let's go out. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, if you can stop if you can do something about it. There's not no big deal.

Joey Allen:

He's gonna he's gonna stop in a minute.

Chuck Shute:

Okay. Yeah, so with that song machine gun like, you know, if Genie when Genie did it live, he would say like, instead of saying love your little baby, like a machine gun, he'd say eat your little pussy like a my machine? Was that the original lyric and then change it for the record? Or is that something he just came up with one night?

Joey Allen:

I'm sure that was something he just did off the cuff. I mean,

Chuck Shute:

it sounds perfect. I

Joey Allen:

mean, he puts here funko pop up monkey like,

Chuck Shute:

Oh, okay. It's another one.

Joey Allen:

He was just, it was probably out of boredom. You know?

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. Is there a song from either doggy dog or any of the first three albums that you thought maybe should have been bigger, like something that you thought this is gonna be a big hit, but it just didn't happen or something that maybe didn't even release? Like, because like stronger now? I think you said that he had had that song since before he put it out on ultra phobic. And thin disguise is another one that stands out to me is like, that's a pretty good song too. And those were never even released.

Joey Allen:

The thin disguise kind of sounds like a cheap trick riff. Yeah. And I don't know if he borrowed it from them. I mean, we're all fans a cheap trick. So I, you know, I don't really I don't think that way to me. It's more of a collection more like a book. It's like saying, Hey, what's your favorite chapter, you know, and it's like, it's, it's more of a, you know, put the needle down. Let's decide one, flip it over, let's decide to or put the CD in and listen the whole thing straight through. And it's supposed to just take you to a place as a listener, and leave you somewhere at the end, right. And you can think about what the song means what the lyric content means. So to me, I never really took it in that context of this would have been a better song for a single or this or that I, I just when I was told this is what the single is going to be. And you'd have to be at Radio on these times on tour. I get up and be there, you know, and that's more was was my angle of how to deal with, you know, what singles were released, I would just once they picked it, I would go out and support it. Hmm.

Chuck Shute:

I heard this story. I don't know if you were even in the band at this point. But the warrant kind of demo song It was kind of during the grunge era. And you guys had the manager, like present it to a record label without the artists name on it. And the record label was like, Oh, this song is amazing. And then they said it was warrant and then they're like, Oh, we don't want anything to do with it. But it was almost like this, like discrimination. Do you know do you heard that story?

Joey Allen:

I haven't I somebody else told me so I've heard at one time. Okay, but I was I wasn't when I was in the band.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. So then yeah, cuz you left. And then you said that you were kind of partying too hard at this point. And you kind of just needed a break. Is that part of it?

Joey Allen:

Yeah, I was going through a divorce. We were getting multiple lawsuits for all different kinds of things. And I just had enough one day I woke up, and that we were supposed to have a meeting, we had been dropped by Columbia, we're having a meeting get another deal. And we were struggling to, you know, pay bills at that time. And I just bailed, you know, and it wasn't because of any one person in the band. You know, sometimes I look back and I say I couldn't really rely on Janie because he never you know, couldn't get up out of bed to make a meeting at noon but it's not really fair to him to say that I was I was in a in a not so great place in life. And I think that you know, self precedence kind of kicked in and I did what I had to do, you know, I, I left and I probably fumbled around for another year. And then once I got out of that, that haze I got my focus back and you know, I went back to school. Which was strange for me, because the band was still going and playing and making records. And, and it was strange for me to be in a, you know, in a classroom with a bunch of IIT geeks, you know, getting Microsoft Certified, which is what I did. But in hindsight, that's proven to be really, really good for my career. And what I do, you know, is a day gig now. And just overall, you know, having some chops on on in business and things like that. It's really Yeah, really helped. Now,

Chuck Shute:

I remember reading in metal edge that you were going to go to law school was that something that an idea that you tossed around,

Joey Allen:

thinking about it until I found out you had to read a lot, I'm not

Chuck Shute:

reminds me of that scene in doc Hollywood with Michael J. Fox, when he's the guy's like, you know, I was gonna be a doctor, it's just all that science that I didn't want to do.

Joey Allen:

It's kind of like that, I mean, I've read my fair share of technical manuals for Microsoft. Okay, and, you know, getting certified, you know, you have to know what you're doing and, but it's, I just didn't want to make the commitment to be a lawyer, I was working with so many lawyers, I'm like, wow, these guys are making all this money should just do that. So I was thinking about it, but I didn't go that route, I Went, went the it route instead.

Chuck Shute:

And why and you didn't, you didn't do anything you wanted didn't want to do anything in the music business, like be a guitar teacher, open up a guitar store, or manage bands, or produce bands that you just want a break from the business entirely.

Joey Allen:

I needed a break from the business just for, for self perseverance, to be honest with you, I mean, I had a young daughter, I had to, you know, just get responsible for myself and be able to make income that I could support my young daughter as well as I could financially and, and emotionally and just be there as a father, so. So I kind of made that, that decision on my own and it worked out. Well. For me, in the long run, I have a great relationship with my daughter and my ex wife, and my present wife and my present son. So it's worked out well for me. And it's like I said, it's really helped me out in today's business world as well,

Chuck Shute:

for sure. So but I know that you I don't know if these are two separate things. But you played music, with some guys in Orange County, some power punk stuff. And then you also had done a demo in Texas, you got some money for MCA. And you said there was two really good songs on this demo, but nothing happened with that, will that ever be released? or What was this?

Joey Allen:

You know, I love music to death, I love warrant. I, I'm the type of guy live in Southern California, it's expensive to live here. I have to generate income and music, it's really, really got really increasingly more difficult to generate income. As a musician, and a lot of my peers know that it's a tough, it's a tough life, it's a tough road, a lot of guys will forfeit the money for the art. And I'm just not not necessarily one of those guys, no, I've got a family to feed. And I want to take care of my family and I want to I want to entertain my friends when I can. And so I took a different path with business instead of keep on keep on going now there was a point where as a guitar player i got i got better and better and better was during the doggy dog record and after when we toured. And then when I got out of the van, I just was kind of burnt out. I knew you know when we went like this, whoa, like that. And I jumped off before it hit rock bottom and with the parachute. And I might do something. You know, I've talked about it with a few friends of mine that are great players, different drummers because I'm, you know, working for pearl pearl drums I there's a lot of drummers I know that are amazing. A lot of amazing bass players, singers, maybe one of these days if I take the time, but it's just such a time commitment to do a record for me do something that would be good. sure that it's not it's not high on my radar. Let's just put it that way. Someday when things slow down a little bit more. I'll do one, you know, I'm done.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. So you rejoined the band. So you had like a 10 year hiatus, but then yeah, 2004 you rejoined the band with Eric and you guys are chugging along with Jamie St. James from black and blue. I like that. Is it? Not Bourbon County line. That's the name of the barn again was the name of the record that you guys did with that and I think I saw you guys on that tour. And then 2008 there was a there was an attempt to get back with Jeannie lane. tell that story. You guys were were doing a gig for Adam Carolla or like you were the house band or something.

Joey Allen:

At the Saris which was now called the Key Club at the time, Adam Carolla was on the local radio station and it was Danny Bonaduce from the Partridge Family. It was his Divorce party and Adam in the band are friends and Adam hired us with Danny is the house band for the divorce party. And so we were just all we were supposed to do was play down boys in and out of every break. So we just stood there down boys like a bazillion times but we're down in the dressing room in between some breaks. And I think Dave Navarro came in and said to Eric, you know, your singers up in the audience and and in geniza or Eric is in our seniors right here it was Jamie and he goes, No, you know, Jamie lane and he looks at Dave Navarro. He goes Jeannie lane and our singer. I remember it's something like that. But Eric kind of barked at Dave It was funny. Dave's a little tiny guy anyways. He's He's a nice guy. I don't know him well, but he was he was very nice to us. And that's cool. So I guess Layne was at that gig and saw it. And then he reached out to Eric and said, I want to get back in my in my band. And which was never his band, it was our band. And maybe that's why there were so many struggles with us and him, you know, because of just the way of thinking but we sit down and bury the hatchet on all the emotional crap and the legal crap with him and supported his sobriety and every way we could and and we got up, you know, and and did the best we could for a reunion tour. But it just wasn't wasn't meant to be.

Chuck Shute:

Well, yeah. And I don't think people because you know, I see these like, I got a YouTube comment on the interview with Erik like, why didn't they try to help Janie. And I was like, and I heard you say that reunion tour. You guys got Jani Lane, a sober coach for $500 a day. You took all the booze out of the backstage, you didn't let anyone backstage with booze? I mean, I don't know what more you can do to try to help the guy. And he just couldn't handle it

Joey Allen:

True. Yeah, Chuck Randolph, who is Alice in Chains

Chuck Shute:

yeah, tour manager or was- a nice guy We did A.A. meetings backst ge for Jani... I mean, there's uys in this band that are respon ible adults that if they w nt an adult beverage, they'll ta e one, it's they're not gonna iss their gig or screw anything p. But he just we understood he really brutal truth of his alcoholism and tried to suppor it as best as we could. And in luded all those things you ta ked about and more. And then t one point he got hammered. An Jerry just woke up one day nd came to us and said, I don't ant him to die out on the road u

Joey Allen:

well, we're here to let her mom know, she was okay. der our watch. That was as eas as it was- go home get health, we'll see what we're gonna do oving forward. And that's how e left it. And it was unfo tunate that it ended that way w en it did. But it was mor along the lines of we didn't ant him, like if it was being on the road was a trigger- we d dn't want to be responsible fo that, well, it's not worth a y money to watch a friend f yours die because you need to ake a buck or want to get up o stage. That's not what it's ab ut. And so for anybody out the e to comment about what we did o didn't do for Jani during tho e times, or for anybody to comm nt about, the fact that that one of us went to the wake the had at a bar. So a guy dies f ethanol poisoning and they have a wake at a bar and you're upposed to think that's a good idea. I think that's the one of the most tasteless things you could ever do. And and it's none of anybody's business how ou grieve the loss of a frien or a brother or a sister o a parent or anything and he s missed. We love him like a bro her. It's sucks horribly, eve y time the the the anniversary rolls around. I think about im dearly. Every night I g on stage, I give a nod to him m own special way. Kind of lik I don't know if you remember T e Carol Burnett thing where he's, I kind of I don't pull my ear, but I do something every night. That's the same every night. And it's it's some kind of talking to him for a minute. You know?

Chuck Shute:

That's cool! Oh, yeah. And you actually reached out to him a few months before he passed and you tried to have lunch with them. And you just didn't hear about it.

Joey Allen:

Yeah, Mike Fasano called me and said Hey, man, let's go have lunch with Jani and I called him and left a message on his recorder or cell phone or whatever it was. Yeah. Just told him Hey, dude, I love you. No hard feelings about anything. Let's go grab a bite with Mike and I don't know if he didn't get it or didn't want to go out or whatever. But he didn't get back to me and then he died shortly after that. So it's it's just tragic. I feel bad for his kids,and his family and it's just a horrible thing. Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

I wish we could have answer for like what? I just cure for this issue because there's too many amazing musicians out there dying I hate it I hate to see that with so much talent wasted sad to see

Joey Allen:

it is absolutely horrific for the people that that can't get out of it you know it'd be it'd be an alcohol or drugs or prescription drugs or whatever is out there it's it's horrible so yeah, it's a real it's a real problem Yeah,

Chuck Shute:

you know life goes on and we have to soldier on and then you guys have Robert Mason on the band now he's fantastic. You guys have made two great records rock aholic. And then the latest one louder, how harder and faster. You said that like with a louder her faster? This was interesting. There was a there was actually some drama making that because it was people like I want my song in the record. No, I want my song. And so who makes the final call with that? Do you leave it to Jeff Pilson the producer? Or do you put it to a vote or how does that work?

Joey Allen:

It's very a political, you know, warrant you'll never hear Warren talk about politics. It's none of anybody's business what we all think it's about music. And when it comes time to write, record music, people there are their favors done and things happen. I'll work on your song, let's work together. You know, you we all put riffs or, or rhythms or whatever into a big, you know, there's a Joey folder, there's a Jerry folder, there's a Eric folder, Robert folder, Steven folder. And to be honest with you, some of these guys work harder than the others. I don't, I don't work necessarily real hard at writing because I need to work with somebody. And unless somebody is really going to sit down with me and get into it, it's I'm not motivated to, to go through that whole process alone. So at the end of the day, when all the songs are there, you put them in a big bowl, and you vote on them. Okay, so it's it's just like going to the polls and voting for prizes. So

Chuck Shute:

it is a vote. Okay, cool.

Joey Allen:

There's a vote. And that's fair. You just say okay, this one got five votes, you know, so there's maybe eight out of 12 that get five votes. And then the last three or four that make a record, you know, just just the voting process. Sure. Easy.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. And then you guys made the video for louder harder, faster. It was actually filmed here. I'm in Arizona. It's just filmed like 30 miles north of me in Cave Creek. Is there going to be another video filmed in Arizona? And if so, can I have a cameo in it?

Joey Allen:

That was Robert Mason. He lives in Cave Creek where we recorded the film that video so now they're now they're blowing next door. I'll give a million dollars to the first guy that makes a silent blower.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, right. That would be an amazing invention for sure. Um, yeah, we did that video.

Joey Allen:

And in Roberts backyards I think Eric and I drove out I picked him up at his house and we lived out here in California and we just jammed out Arizona It was like a six hour drive and did the video and then got in the car and went home Hmm So I don't think we'll do another video for that record. If we did I'd love to do like like second teen on that Devil's Devil's dance or dances dance would be great.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah or like a new home saying if you have like a new record but you actually love the heavier songs and I heard that are you in charge of picking the setlist so that's awesome if I want to hear a specific Warren song I can tell you to put it in the setlist

Joey Allen:

I write the setlist Yeah, I'm the guy yeah if you don't like what are you convicted me

Chuck Shute:

know you do a great job. But I'd be cool to have another one of those heavier songs from doggy dog like, inside out. I know you guys used to play that even before it was recorded. Right?

Joey Allen:

Absolutely. That we opened the blood sweat and tears to her with that song. Yeah. That's kind of our, our Ode to Judas priests so to speak. Um, I you know, I we've played different songs on the road of off of doggy dog like we played bonfire. Huh. I think we've played trying to think of some other ones on my wall machine on bonfire. Maybe quicksand? Hmm, maybe. But I'm

Chuck Shute:

never all my bridges are burning. Have you ever played that one?

Unknown:

We played that one. No, no, that's

Chuck Shute:

I was gonna say that. That'd be a corn.

Joey Allen:

Yeah, we played that one back in the day, I think was saying. Okay, so. Yeah, that was a great record to me. Fun, Fun tunes.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. So and you have a lot of riffs in your catalogue. So I mean, is there any talk of you guys working on a new warrant record?

Joey Allen:

You know, when this whole pandemic started, some guys said, Why don't we do something live on the internet. Why don't we just do that? And that was squats. everybody's like, why don't we just go away for a while? You know, we've so long Yeah. And let's just go away. So that was the consensus. And then I think about six months into the pandemic, we had a meeting. And I said, Hey, is anybody interested in starting to write for a new record? And it was like, nope. Now. All right, so now, I don't know what Eric's done. I don't know what Jerry's done with Roberts done. I know, Robert did it in the machine record, right with George and Jeff, which is great. So I would imagine we've probably got one left in us, you know, okay. But we'll see. I mean, there's no immediate plans for that. Right now. The immediate plans are to, to get the back of the band back out on the road. I think in June, we're going to be doing that this year. So we're fired up.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, I saw that you guys have this show. I want to try to make it in Minnesota with like a bunch of basics of Sebastian Bach and lit and La guns and it's got like a huge two day festival kind of thing.

Joey Allen:

Yeah, that's it. Hinkley, the rock tober Fest, I

Chuck Shute:

think, yeah, rock timbers gig

Joey Allen:

back is like a winger and doc and Lita Ford, and jack Russell and a bunch of, you know, a bunch of guys like that. So there's a bunch of dates like that we're doing a bunch bunch with Skid Row was kind of East, east, versus West, but we're such good friends. It's just

Chuck Shute:

so you're just friends with all these guys. Cuz you guys have done so many shows together over the years, right?

Joey Allen:

At this point of the career, it's, it's, um, you know, with, with most every band we play with, we're tight. You know, we laugh, we see each other in the hallways, dressing rooms, share beer, got dinner or something on the night off, and you just got to, you know, we're all fortunate to be still doing this and doing what we love to do, and being able to play the songs that that we like to play. So you know, it's it's really easy when you see somebody on the road that you know, it's kind of like a high school reunion, so to speak. Okay.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, very cool. Well, this has been a lot of fun. I think we covered almost everything unless there's something I missed, but All right, here's your Yeah, I think we got it. Oh, no, this is amazing. So I do like to end this episode with a charity is our charity that you work with or that you want to promote real quick,

Joey Allen:

you know, anything to do with children? St. Jude's okay. Definitely. Breast Cancer for women. Even though the kancil culture and meat to movement would probably, you know, find a way to spend that as well. Just just, you know, I'm heavy on children, I think I think I'm a strong believer that as an adult, you should be responsible adult, be responsible for yourself and run your own life the way you want to run it and be kind to one another. But I think that kids, you know, being a father and be responsible for a young son right now, kids really need direction. And Sick Kids need help. So St. Jude's definitely one of them for sure, that I'm into, and just any anything, you know, autism, for, for kids and adults. So yeah, I mean, just go out there and participate. If you get if you get an opportunity. We do a bunch of different stuff through the year giveaways. You know, anytime we're asked to participate in something like that we step up if we, if we can, so, yeah, giving back is a big part of getting, you know, I prefer to give more than I do prefer to get.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah, well, you have some interesting life advice. You know, if you do if you do something that you love, the money will come and I've heard that from a lot of people. So, but, I mean, it has to be something that it does generate money, though, right?

Joey Allen:

If you want to live, you know, I mean, you got to be, like I said, responsible adult work, you know, all those things that, that my father taught me, like, you know, work hard, hard, nothing beats hard work. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. All those things still ring true. Yeah, for sure. He's later and and if you treat everybody with kindness and open arms, you know, that's what you'll get in return. So just try to you know, look, nobody's perfect. Everybody's got their flaws. But if you just keep a good attitude and get up every day and and have a great attitude and be happy that you woke up breathing, I think, you know, more good will happen than bad. Absolutely.

Chuck Shute:

I agree with that. Well, awesome. They also here last thing before I let you go, is there a possible documentary on it was it either of Warrant or your life that somebody wanted to make.

Joey Allen:

There's no if it was a documentary on my life would be probably pretty boring. We're talking to a really good friend that's a big fan of the band. And he's he's actually in the musical instruments industry, is a president of a company that has written a treatment to do a documentary And I talked about last year when the pandemic started and I ran it by everybody because they know him. Well. Anytime we go to Chicago we go over to this guy's house for he opens his house, we go over for dinner, he says to tremendous friend of the bands, as well as a tremendous fan. And he's written a pretty cool treatment. So I think now that we're going to start to fire things up again. I talked Erik about it a few weeks ago, and we're going to visit it and see if we start the fire up on a little documentary that maybe it'll be an hour an hour and a half long. So it'll kind of put a cap on the whole Warrant world and everybody can understand it from our perspective,

Chuck Shute:

that's awesome. I look forward to that. That's gonna be really cool. Well, thank you so much. This has been a dream come true for me. Like I said, I've been a fan since I was a kid. So thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate it.

Joey Allen:

Anytime. Hope to see you in the show. Next time we're over in Phoenix.

Chuck Shute:

Yeah. All right. Like I think I'm gonna drive to this one in Minnesota. It just looks like so much fun. There's so many I've interviewed half the bands on the lineup, so I figured might as well come soon.

Joey Allen:

Yeah, let us know anything you need. We'll take care of Chuck.

Chuck Shute:

Okay. Thanks, Joey. All right. See you later. Bye, bye. Well, that was extremely entertaining. I think one of the best interviews I've ever done, certainly one of the most fun. So I don't think Joey has Instagram or Twitter. But you can follow the band warrant on everything to keep up with tour dates and new releases, and hopefully that documentary soon. So I'd love to catch them in Minnesota in September for that rock timber festival with Sebastian Bach and lit and a bunch of other great bands. I think that'd be a very fun show. So thank you so much for listening. I really appreciate your support. And some of you share these episodes on social media. And I can't tell you how much that means to me. It really helps me out as well as helps out the guests. So thank you from the bottom of my heart. I don't want to get too woowoo II on here, but I've just been really happy lately. And I'm really enjoying doing this podcast and I couldn't do it without people listening. So again, thank you from the bottom of my heart. I appreciate you all of you. Have a great day and whatever you do, remember to shoot for the moon.