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So are you coming to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3732.18,"endTime":3733.92,"body":"Phoenix?"},{"speaker":"Kevin Martin","startTime":3736.38,"endTime":3738.63,"body":"I think we are. I"},{"speaker":"Kevin Martin","startTime":3736.38,"endTime":3738.63,"body":"just don't be I think we're"},{"speaker":"Kevin Martin","startTime":3738.63,"endTime":3741.03,"body":"playing the Van Buren,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3741.179,"endTime":3741.809,"body":"Van Buren."},{"speaker":"Kevin Martin","startTime":3741.839,"endTime":3742.769,"body":"That Van Buren."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3742.8,"endTime":3744.24,"body":"Okay, that's it."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3742.8,"endTime":3744.24,"body":"Cool. I'll try to check that"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3744.24,"endTime":3746.31,"body":"off. I'm around so awesome."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3744.24,"endTime":3746.31,"body":"Well, thanks so much for doing"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3746.31,"endTime":3747.54,"body":"this. Kevin. I really appreciate"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3746.31,"endTime":3747.54,"body":"it."},{"speaker":"Kevin Martin","startTime":3748.44,"endTime":3750.15,"body":"You gotta check."},{"speaker":"Kevin Martin","startTime":3748.44,"endTime":3750.15,"body":"Thanks, man. All right, talk to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3750.15,"endTime":3750.63,"body":"you later."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":3751.53,"endTime":3751.98,"body":"We'll see ya."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3752.039,"endTime":3755.669,"body":"Bye. Thank you to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3752.039,"endTime":3755.669,"body":"Kevin Martin of candlebox."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3755.669,"endTime":3758.489,"body":"Again, the new album is called"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3755.669,"endTime":3758.489,"body":"wolves. Check it out. See the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3758.489,"endTime":3761.789,"body":"band live if they come to your"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3758.489,"endTime":3761.789,"body":"city. I've seen him three times"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3761.789,"endTime":3765.629,"body":"and they're great. Make sure to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3761.789,"endTime":3765.629,"body":"follow Kevin on an candlebox on"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3765.629,"endTime":3768.449,"body":"social media to keep up with"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3765.629,"endTime":3768.449,"body":"tour dates. And check out their"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3768.449,"endTime":3771.539,"body":"website. They have some really"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3768.449,"endTime":3771.539,"body":"cool merch on there. Thank you"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3771.539,"endTime":3774.209,"body":"so much for listening, and"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3771.539,"endTime":3774.209,"body":"making it all the way through"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3774.209,"endTime":3777.299,"body":"this interview. If you enjoyed"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3774.209,"endTime":3777.299,"body":"this one, check out some of the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3777.299,"endTime":3780.659,"body":"other episodes on my show. 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