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Oh, now you're this"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5888.19,"endTime":5891.46,"body":"person. You know, I'm"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5891.46,"endTime":5892.87,"body":"saying like, you"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5891.46,"endTime":5892.87,"body":"know, cuz I think you keep an"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5892.87,"endTime":5895.6,"body":"open mind. I think that's why"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5892.87,"endTime":5895.6,"body":"we're able to have this and I"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5895.6,"endTime":5899.02,"body":"think we're, we're pretty, we're"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5895.6,"endTime":5899.02,"body":"both pretty Central. So I don't"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5899.02,"endTime":5901.99,"body":"think it's like, you know, we're"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5899.02,"endTime":5901.99,"body":"screaming at each other. Like, I"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5901.99,"endTime":5904.24,"body":"really like hearing your I like"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5901.99,"endTime":5904.24,"body":"hearing different people's"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5904.24,"endTime":5906.76,"body":"perspectives, because everyone"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5904.24,"endTime":5906.76,"body":"like you pointed that out."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5906.76,"endTime":5908.56,"body":"Everyone has a different"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5906.76,"endTime":5908.56,"body":"perspective. So"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5908.71,"endTime":5911.44,"body":"here's the problem"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5908.71,"endTime":5911.44,"body":"when you're a fairly centrist"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5911.44,"endTime":5915.94,"body":"person, if you lean one way to a"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5911.44,"endTime":5915.94,"body":"partisan. You seem like the"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5915.94,"endTime":5916.75,"body":"other side right"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5916.78,"endTime":5918.7,"body":"now. That's true."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5916.78,"endTime":5918.7,"body":"I've been accused of being a"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5918.7,"endTime":5922.87,"body":"Trump supporter and a flaming"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5918.7,"endTime":5922.87,"body":"liberal. So I don't know"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5923.17,"endTime":5925.36,"body":"that. But that's what"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5923.17,"endTime":5925.36,"body":"I'm saying. So to someone who"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5925.36,"endTime":5929.41,"body":"has a skewed idea of reality,"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5925.36,"endTime":5929.41,"body":"you seem like you're right. On"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5929.41,"endTime":5931.63,"body":"the other side. So it's, it's"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5929.41,"endTime":5931.63,"body":"I'm just saying it's a very"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5931.63,"endTime":5935.83,"body":"difficult time to traverse these"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5931.63,"endTime":5935.83,"body":"issues in a way where we're all"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5936.07,"endTime":5938.44,"body":"like, sit just engaging Goofy,"},{"speaker":"Doc Coyle","startTime":5936.07,"endTime":5938.44,"body":"so"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5938.47,"endTime":5940.27,"body":"yeah, no, I really"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5938.47,"endTime":5940.27,"body":"appreciate that was a great"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5940.27,"endTime":5943.12,"body":"discussion. So hopefully,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5940.27,"endTime":5943.12,"body":"everyone else agrees."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5943.75,"endTime":5945.94,"body":"Definitely. Chuck with us, and"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5943.75,"endTime":5945.94,"body":"you have a great day. Thanks so"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5945.94,"endTime":5950.53,"body":"much for your talk. Okay. All"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5945.94,"endTime":5950.53,"body":"right. Thanks, Doc. See you"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5950.53,"endTime":5956.2,"body":"later. All I can say is wow, I"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5950.53,"endTime":5956.2,"body":"think I'm still just blown away"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5956.2,"endTime":5958.69,"body":"with this interview. We"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5956.2,"endTime":5958.69,"body":"discussed so many things,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5958.72,"endTime":5961.93,"body":"obviously, music, and that part"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5958.72,"endTime":5961.93,"body":"was fascinating and his story."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5962.56,"endTime":5965.14,"body":"But I don't know, I kind of"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5962.56,"endTime":5965.14,"body":"enjoyed all the social issues"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5965.14,"endTime":5968.11,"body":"and the rabbit holes that we"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5965.14,"endTime":5968.11,"body":"went down. I never really"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5968.11,"endTime":5971.08,"body":"designed this show to be like"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5968.11,"endTime":5971.08,"body":"that. In fact, I've tried to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5971.11,"endTime":5974.83,"body":"steer clear of politics at the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5971.11,"endTime":5974.83,"body":"show's inception. But now I feel"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5974.83,"endTime":5977.23,"body":"like it's just one of those"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5974.83,"endTime":5977.23,"body":"things that you just can't"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5977.23,"endTime":5980.92,"body":"avoid. It's on everybody's mind."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5977.23,"endTime":5980.92,"body":"And I think it's okay to discuss"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5980.92,"endTime":5984.52,"body":"it a little here and there,"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5980.92,"endTime":5984.52,"body":"especially if it ties into other"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5984.52,"endTime":5988.36,"body":"subjects. And sometimes it's"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5984.52,"endTime":5988.36,"body":"just so hard to avoid. What I"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5988.36,"endTime":5991.63,"body":"don't want to do is get on big"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5988.36,"endTime":5991.63,"body":"rants and arguments defending"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5991.63,"endTime":5994.24,"body":"one political party over the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5991.63,"endTime":5994.24,"body":"other or this politician is"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5994.24,"endTime":5997.54,"body":"great or this one's terrible."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5994.24,"endTime":5997.54,"body":"But I really enjoyed the back"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5997.54,"endTime":6000.69,"body":"and forth that doc and I had on"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":5997.54,"endTime":6000.69,"body":"all these topics. And I hope you"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6000.69,"endTime":6004.53,"body":"did too. So make sure to follow"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6000.69,"endTime":6004.53,"body":"doc and bad wolves on social"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6004.53,"endTime":6007.86,"body":"media. And of course, go see"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6004.53,"endTime":6007.86,"body":"them if they come to your town"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6007.86,"endTime":6011.82,"body":"on tour. You can follow me on"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6007.86,"endTime":6011.82,"body":"social media as well. And your"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6011.82,"endTime":6014.94,"body":"likes, shares and comments"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6011.82,"endTime":6014.94,"body":"helped me more than you can"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6014.94,"endTime":6018.48,"body":"know. And if you want to go that"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6014.94,"endTime":6018.48,"body":"extra mile, like I said, you can"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6018.48,"endTime":6022.08,"body":"write me a review on iTunes or"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6018.48,"endTime":6022.08,"body":"wherever you listen. The link"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6022.08,"endTime":6025.23,"body":"for the iTunes review is in the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6022.08,"endTime":6025.23,"body":"show notes. You just have to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6025.23,"endTime":6028.44,"body":"scroll all the way down to the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6025.23,"endTime":6028.44,"body":"bottom to write the review. And"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6028.44,"endTime":6031.2,"body":"of course, you can subscribe to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6028.44,"endTime":6031.2,"body":"the show on YouTube or wherever"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6031.2,"endTime":6034.23,"body":"you listen and that way you"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6031.2,"endTime":6034.23,"body":"won't miss any future episodes."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6034.56,"endTime":6038.61,"body":"And I do have some really great"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6034.56,"endTime":6038.61,"body":"guests booked and some other"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6038.61,"endTime":6043.11,"body":"ones that will hopefully be"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6038.61,"endTime":6043.11,"body":"confirmed soon. So okay, I will"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6043.11,"endTime":6046.53,"body":"end it now. Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6043.11,"endTime":6046.53,"body":"listening. Have a great day and"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":6046.53,"endTime":6047.61,"body":"remember to shoot for the moon."}]}