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And"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":27.029,"endTime":29.879,"body":"I'll continue to do so make sure"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":27.029,"endTime":29.879,"body":"to subscribe to the show so you"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":29.879,"endTime":33.959,"body":"don't miss any future episodes."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":29.879,"endTime":33.959,"body":"Now, my guest today is Dr. Moran"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":33.959,"endTime":37.559,"body":"Cerf. And he has degrees in"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":33.959,"endTime":37.559,"body":"philosophy, physics and"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":37.559,"endTime":41.789,"body":"neuroscience. And he's used to"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":37.559,"endTime":41.789,"body":"it used to be with a computer"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":41.789,"endTime":45.119,"body":"hacker, and he used to rob"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":41.789,"endTime":45.119,"body":"banks. 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