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Thank"},{"speaker":"Felix Cavaliere","startTime":3522.45,"endTime":3523.92,"body":"you. Great"},{"speaker":"Felix Cavaliere","startTime":3522.45,"endTime":3523.92,"body":"speaking to you and take care of"},{"speaker":"Felix Cavaliere","startTime":3523.92,"endTime":3526.8,"body":"yourself. All right, you too."},{"speaker":"Felix Cavaliere","startTime":3523.92,"endTime":3526.8,"body":"Bye. Bye. Be safe."},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3527.07,"endTime":3528.81,"body":"Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3527.07,"endTime":3528.81,"body":"taking the time to listen to the"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3528.81,"endTime":3532.11,"body":"show. Thank you to Felix and his"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3528.81,"endTime":3532.11,"body":"publicist and to a DECA from"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3532.11,"endTime":3535.62,"body":"coffee talk for helping to set"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3532.11,"endTime":3535.62,"body":"this up. 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Thanks again"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3560.97,"endTime":3563.13,"body":"for listening all the way"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3560.97,"endTime":3563.13,"body":"through. Have a great rest of"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3563.13,"endTime":3564.93,"body":"your day and remember to shoot"},{"speaker":"Chuck Shute","startTime":3563.13,"endTime":3564.93,"body":"for the moon."}]}