Whey Jennings Discusses New Music, Songwriting, Sobriety & more!

Whey Jennings is a Nashville recording artist & country singer-songwriter and the grandson of Waylon Jennings.  In this episode he discussed his upcoming 2025 album, which includes 12 songs from 22, co-written with artists like Tyler Booth and Billy Lawson. He emphasized his role as a singer-songwriter, not a guitarist, and shared his journey from starting music at 30 to overcoming addiction and sobriety. Jennings highlighted the power of music to convey messages and change lives, mentioning songs like "Just Before the Dawn" and "Sleeves" that address addiction and recovery. He also talked about his upcoming tour dates, including shows in Arizona and other states, and his commitment to creating impactful music that resonates with his audience.

0:00 - Intro

00:20 - New Music 

01:20 - Journey to Sobriety & Music 

02:57 - Impact of Music & Personal Growth

05:14 - Evolution of Music & Artistic Freedom

07:31 - Defining a Good Song

10:05 - Impactful Songs & Musical Purpose

14:05 - Turning Point in Sobriety & Life Changes

18:10 - Anxiety & Health 

22:15 - Writing Songs 

24:15 - Crazy Crossroads 

25:50 - Next Album & Songs 

28:22 - Oliver Anthony & Musical Roots 

31:04 - Standing Out In the Music Business 

33:25 - Touring, Setlist & Crowds 

37:53 - Outro 

Whey Jennings website:

https://wheyjennings.com/

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Transcript

Speaker 1  0:05  
Rock and rolling through the cool guitars. Chucks got the questions, taking so sharp, feeling bad, layers, hitting the heart, a lot of

Chuck Shute  0:19  
stuff going on with you. You've got a you've got a you've got the you had the album in 2024 that I was able to listen to, but I hear you're working on another album for 2025 it's exciting.

Whey Jennings  0:30  
I am, I am, we got to narrow down about 22 songs. We need to narrow down to 12 for the to figure out where we're in the we're still in the creative process with that right now.

Chuck Shute  0:39  
Okay, yeah, cuz it looks like you've got some co writers on this one. Tyler booth, Earl bud ray, ray Scott, Jim moose, brown and Billy Lawson, yeah,

Whey Jennings  0:50  
there's a bunch of different co writers on there. Yeah, yeah.

Chuck Shute  0:54  
Now, do you, you just write the lyrics then, right? Because you don't, you don't play an instrument, right? You just sing,

Whey Jennings  0:59  
yeah, just singer songwriter, man, I don't play guitar, so

Chuck Shute  1:03  
yeah, and you start, you, you didn't start really performing until you were 30, but you were always singing when you were working on the farm back in the day.

Whey Jennings  1:12  
Yeah, that's the truth. You've been doing your homework. Sounds like, yeah,

Chuck Shute  1:18  
your public has helped me out a little bit. But yeah, listen to some interviews, and, yeah, it's an interesting story. It's like, you, you had, you dealt with this, you know, drug thing, and then you got sober, and then it's like, and then it kind of, then you started, is that when you started to do the music? No,

Whey Jennings  1:34  
I started doing music a long, long time before I got sober. I've only been sober for about five years. I've been doing music for about 14

Chuck Shute  1:42  
Okay, so is it along that journey? Then, okay, yeah, that's it's just interesting, because I wonder if part of that, Why the delay for the music was because I just think that everyone has, like, something inside of them that's like, burning, you know, and I feel like, for you, it was music, and for whatever reason the light was was dimmed. I don't know if that was because of drugs or other things going on, but I'm glad that you were able to come out of that shell and start doing it well.

Whey Jennings  2:06  
Thank you, man. I appreciate it. Yeah, it took me a long time. I used to do it for the party, you know, and then I realized I really need to start taking care of my kids and taking care of myself and, you know, and doing right by God, and that's what I've been doing, yeah? And

Chuck Shute  2:21  
like, because you think this is why you were put on this earth, was to play music. I mean, you've obviously got the talent.

Whey Jennings  2:28  
Well, yeah. I mean, I've put here to music is a big source of why I'm put here, man, I think I'm put here. I haven't really figured out why I'm put here yet. I'm good put here to be a good father and a good husband, a good role model to my kids, and maybe they're put here to do something special too. You know, it's just, I just want to be a good human man. That's all I want to

Chuck Shute  2:47  
do. Yeah, because you had mentioned something about, kind of, like, when you got sober, and then you were like, Oh, wow. Like, this is so great. Like, I need to help people. I need to, like, save the world. And then it's like, I feel like I've done the same thing where I'm kind of, like, I try to help people. And it's like, some people don't want to be helped, though some people don't want to be saved. Like, you almost have to be careful. You have to, like, kind of reel it back a little and not try to, like, over, be overbearing on people. I guess I can't remember the exact worded you used, but

Whey Jennings  3:14  
yeah, well, thing about it, you can tell anybody anything, and they won't hear a thing you say, you sing them the same thing, and they'll hear every word you sing them, you know, that's the power of music. You know, music is used as a great tool to get into people's heads when they don't normally let people in there. You know what I mean? Everybody likes music in some form or another, and they all hear the message in the song, you know? But you can sit there and talk to somebody all day long. You say one thing they don't want to hear. They'll cut their ears off. And you look at them, they have that glazed look on their face, you know. But if you give it to them in song, they pretty well understand where you stand,

Chuck Shute  3:48  
yeah. I mean, and at the very least, music can be a really good distraction for some people, because life is tough, and, you know, sometimes just nice to be able to go out on a Friday, Saturday night, and listen to you play music, and just, you know, and we all come together. That's the other thing I love about music, is there's no like, oh, well this. I mean, maybe some bands do that where they have divisive things, but for most music, it's like all people of all different walks of life are coming in because they all love the same music. And that's cool, yeah, yeah.

Whey Jennings  4:20  
Man, music and nice people, man, that's all there is to it. I mean, no matter what genre is in, everybody that's there to listen to the music is there for the music, you know? So, yeah, it's very much a uniting factor when it comes to music.

Chuck Shute  4:32  
Yeah, because you've, you've toured all over the country, and that's probably one thing that you've noticed, like, your fans are not all. I mean, there's probably, you know, country fans or whatever. But there's, there's probably a good variety of different people, different ages, different backgrounds, and all those kinds of things that come to your shows, yeah,

Whey Jennings  4:48  
from all backgrounds. I mean seriously, all backgrounds. Most people these days, they don't put themselves in a genre like, if you look at music these days, genres are pretty much a thing of the past. You know? I. A lot of people are still trying to force different songs into these genres, but you got two kinds of music out there. You got good music and you got bad music, and that's all there is to it. And people that come to my shows want to hear good music, and that's what we try to give them. Yeah,

Chuck Shute  5:13  
no, I agree. And it's interesting, because I feel like your style of music, it's kind of this new thing where it kind of, there's like, kind of a country thing, but there's also a little bit of a rock thing to it. You know, like, you look at guys like, I really love Zach Brian, and I don't know if you're familiar with like, Brent Cobb, some of these newer artists or and then even like guys like, Jelly Roll, and some of these guys are almost dabbling with rap a little bit. It's kind of a fun thing to it's almost like a more manly country, in my opinion.

Whey Jennings  5:43  
Yeah, it's, it's more of a pure like being honest to who you are. Because back used to, back in the days whenever it was all record labels doing it all the time, you pretty much had to fall in, fall in line. You know, we want you to do this. We want you to wear this. We want you to say this. And that ain't the way it is today. The artists have a lot more control about what they're putting out. I mean, it's still that way to a certain extent, from what I could tell. I don't know a whole lot about it, because I've never been signed to a major label. I've always wanted to do my own thing, and I've always wanted to be able to determine when I'm going to be on the road and when I'm not going to be on the road, because I have a bunch of kids and a wife, and I put my family and God first, you know, I do this to support my family, and I don't, I don't do this to be stuck on the road for 200 days out of a 300 day year, you know. But a lot of people are able to do more of their own thing nowadays, you know, it's not here, you're going to do this. It's, I'm going to do this, and you want to help me. Help me. You know, yeah,

Chuck Shute  6:47  
no, that's yeah, because I remember, like, I mean, you're a little younger than me, but I don't know if you remember, like, country music in the 80s and 90s. Like, in my opinion, it was pretty bad. Like, it just, it was very generic and very overproduced, and it was a lot of ballads and slow songs, and then I feel like it started to get a little little more fun. And that's, that's like, the country that I remember, like old school country was, it was more like, like, it's kind of like a manly country, but also like fun kind of party country. And I feel like that it's kind of over the place. Now you've got a variety which I think that that it goes back to what you're saying about I think the artists are picking the music, not a record label saying it's got to fit into this genre. It can be anything. It can have rap, it can have rock, and it can have folk vibes and all this stuff. And that makes for better music. I think,

Whey Jennings  7:33  
yeah, I think these days it's just got to be good. I mean, it doesn't really have to fit in any kind of genre. It just has to be good. Because if it's good, they'll promote it. If it ain't good, they ain't going to promote it. You know, it's just, I think that's where it just been going these days. Because, man, there's so many different people out there listening to music these days, and they all like something different, as long as it's good, and a lot of in the consensus is, among the people who are listening to it, that it's good, don't promote it. I think, you know, it's all about putting out good music and helping people with the music. And you know, at the end of the day, you still gotta make a profit, because you got you gotta support your family, you know, right?

Chuck Shute  8:10  
So what do you think makes a good song? Does it have to be melodic, catchy, powerful, emotional, like all those things, or

Whey Jennings  8:19  
there's there's so many different recipes for a good song. It's kind of like a cookbook, man, you got all kinds of different meals out there, and it's just different recipes for each one of the meals. You know, there's, there's good, deep songs, there's good, you know, gospel songs, there's good, you know, just fun songs, like I got this song I just put out last year called caught up, and it's probably the funniest song on my album, but it did better than any song I put out. I had all these really deep songs, some about, you know, patriotism, which I thought that one was going to do better

Chuck Shute  8:50  
than all of them, but song that was the one I told you, yeah, that was good. It

Whey Jennings  8:55  
did really good too, yeah, um, it just depends on the song and in the message you're putting out, you know, just depends on what you're trying to accomplish with the song. Whether you're trying to make people you prideful for your country. You make people believe in God, make people believe in love, make people believe in just being honest with yourself, you know, and being real, you know, it's just depends on what your goal of the song is, and that's what I've always had a hard time doing, is trying to theme my album is because I believe in the power of a song. You know, I'm not going to put these songs here on a burner, on the side burner over here, because it don't fit these songs over here. Because this one song could change this handful of people's lives, this one could change this handful of people's lives, and this could make them all laugh, you know. So I feel like we can accomplish more than one goal over an album, you know. So that's kind of where I've always done I've tried to put out songs that mean something to me and that I know we're going to touch people. Because if. Trust me, you know, yeah,

Chuck Shute  10:01  
do you still feel like I heard you say that just before the dawn is a song that you put out? You felt like that was the most impactful song, because I think it's got like over 600,000 views on YouTube, and it has, like a number for addiction at the end. I mean, do you still feel like that's the most impactful song you've put out?

Whey Jennings  10:18  
It's definitely in the top five. For sure. I put out a lot of impactful songs, but it's just, the thing about it is what what's impactful to me and what's impactful to you would be two different things. Like, to me, where I'm at in my life is like, I've been sober for five years. I'm trying to help people who were where I was get to where I'm at, you know? I mean, and that's that ain't got nothing to do with with money, it ain't got nothing to do with objects. It's just got to do with where you're at inside here, you know. So I've been trying to put out songs to help people realize that there is a door out of it, you know. I mean, like sleeves, there's a song sleeves, I put on that last album, and it's a really dark song. It's kind of a dark video, but I feel like that song helped me as an artist. It helped me get to know my toolbox. Just put it that way, it's like whenever I can take something that's inside my heart and put it out here for everybody to hear, and people tell me it changed their lives. That's a powerful song to me. But did it? Did it do as well numbers wise, no, but did it save more lives than all the other songs? I believe it did, because at the end of my shows, I usually end up sitting talking to two or three people about that song and where I've been in my life and and addiction and recovery and my relationship with God. I got a song that's fixing to come out right before Easter called billboard Jesus, and I believe it's going to change lives too, and that's what I would like to do with my music, you know? I mean, I don't want to just put out music to make money, you know, I gotta make a profit because I gotta support my family, but I don't want to solely do this to make money, you know. I mean, I want to be able to change lives along the way. I want to, even if I don't change lives, I'd like to, you know, cause a little flicker in somebody's mind to make them think, maybe, maybe I'm wrong here. Maybe I can do better than this, you know, because that's while I'm trying to help other people with my music, I also help myself with it. You know, it's, it's my kind of therapy. I'm kind of my own therapist. I sit down, I write my feelings out. I get with other people who've gone through the same things as I have, and we write together and bounce ideas off each other's heads. At the end of a writing session, we sit there, and we got these amazing songs, and we're different people at the end of that writing session than we were when we started writing these songs, you know. So it's not, it's not just a help people out here thing, it's it's also help myself grow as a human being, you know. And that's that's important to me too. It's important to me because I like, like my kids, they see me still growing as a as a human being, and so they know that all I'm trying to do is help them. I'm not the guy with all the answers. I'm just the guy who's still looking for the answers, just like they are, you know. So that that's what music does for me. It allows me to support my family. It allows me to help myself grow as a human being, and it allows me to not only help myself grow, but help those around me grow as well. And as long as what I'm doing still has that kind of effect on people, I'll continue to do it. If it ever comes a time where it starts having a negative outcome on people, that's when I'll hang up my hat, you know? And that's, that's what I believe the power of music is, man. Music can change lives. It can be used for so much good. It can be used for more than just a business, you know, it all started on somebody's front porch, you know, helping kids and families grow together. And that's what I believe we can use it for out in the world, not just as one small family unit, but as a big family unit, as humans, you know? Yeah,

Chuck Shute  14:04  
absolutely. Well, talk about your experience, though, because you said it was like during COVID, when you got sober and it, you kind of described it as a chance, like they for you to be reborn, and that you you switched so many things in your life, obviously the sober thing. But then also you started eating, drinking, and the things that you watch on TV, like, everything became different. So tell me about that. Like, what, how did it switch? Like, what was the turning point that switched everything?

Whey Jennings  14:31  
Well, the turning part is one of the turning point is when I realized that, you know, I'd spent most of my life in a strong relationship with God, but I was on the wrong side of it, you know, soon as I realized that, you know, God is real, God is there for all of us, and God is the answer, you know, he is our higher power, that's when it all turned around for me. You know, from that point, everybody gets kind of caught up in the sober aspect of things, and that's in. Important. Being sober is very important. It really is. But I thought, okay, and now I'm sober, it's over. Okay, I did it. I'm done, you know. But that's not the truth. From that point on, you had all these gaps that you have, you, that you left in your life, from where you used to do drugs and drink and party and spend time doing things mischievous and all this other stuff, you know. And now you got all these gaps to fill, and you gotta find productive things to do with them, and good things to do with them. And you gotta realize that you spent a lot of years tearing your health apart, you know. So now you gotta start eating right. You gotta start drinking right. You gotta give up a lot of the I'm not going to say you have to give up the good times, because a lot of the things that you led yourself to believe were good times weren't really what was causing the good time. You know, it's kind of more of a roadblock, because I can still sit around with people who are drinking and doing what they're doing and have just as good a time as they are sober, you know. I mean, I just got a bottle of water in my hand. That's it. You know, I've had so many good times like I've did things I've never thought I would like go hiking up in the mountains. I hiked out in the switch outs. I jumped out of an airplane in Austria. You know, it was just all these crazy things. I started taking my wife out to do nice things. It got to where he was kind of having these monotonous dates, going out to eat at different restaurants and stuff. But now we're starting to where we're going to plays and stuff like that, and just spend a little time on us getting away from the parent thing and into the relationship thing a little more. Not not to say that we're not still doing the parent thing, but you gotta take time out for yourselves sometimes. So we're going to this play here. When I get back from Arizona, we're going to this play called The Thorn, and it's the story of Jesus Christ, and it's supposed to be, it's supposed to be a really great Broadway play. And we're going to see this, and it's things like that. You just gotta fill the gaps with things that you know kind of make you feel alive, like going out to shows, going out to we went to a nitty, nitty gritty, nitty gritty, dirt band concert not long ago, and that was cool. You know, it's just finding things to fill the gaps with, is the most important thing about sobriety, because you get used to filling your time up with things that are bad for you, then you gotta turn it all around and do things that are good for you, not only just is your health, but are good to be you seen be doing, you know, I mean, like, I don't want my kids seeing me do bad things, because that alone gives them permission to do bad things. You know, I want my kids to see me being helpful, to people, being inspirational, to people, telling people to do the right things and not being underhanded in any way, being honest, having integrity, that kind of thing. You know, it's a long, hard battle, and I haven't figured it all out yet, but I figure as long as you keep on the right side of God and you do right by him, he'll do right by you, and you'll continue to grow as a human being. My biggest thing right now that I'm trying to conquer is my anxiety. You know, my anxiety is, is something that I've had to deal with my whole life, and I used to self medicated, and now I have been trying to go through exercises to calm myself down, like realize that all these things that I'm making up in my mind are just being made up in my mind. They're not real, you know? I mean, like, anytime I'm fixing to face something, I make up the worst possible outcome, you know, and I make that a reality, and I've been trying to really not do that as much. So that's kind of where I'm at now, you know, yeah,

Chuck Shute  18:48  
that's a tough one, the anxiety. I mean, I deal with that too. I know so many people do, and I think I'm the same as you always like trying to I think of the worst outcome, and then it's hard to, like, turn your brain off. I think that I've tried meditation that can sometimes help. And I think exercise, I think, is another thing that can really like distract you, because I think you do need that sometimes distraction. At least for me, just turn my brain off, because my brain will just start going in dark places. And I don't know why our brains do that, but at least mine does.

Whey Jennings  19:16  
Yeah, exercise is very important. I go to gym probably about three to four times a week, and when I'm not doing that, I'm outside playing with my kids, or I got a weight set here at home, I work on, I work on my diet quite a bit. I usually know protein, of course, and I probably need to quit the creatine. I mean, I like the creatine because it kind of puffs you up a little bit, but I don't feel like it may be healthy for me. I'm not sure. I've been doing research on it. Kind of open the air. I kind of go on to it and get off of it and get onto it and go on to it. I don't want to do anything that's bad for my health. Is the thing about it is that you gotta get over the vanity of it when you're when you're working out, because it ain't all about how you look. It's about your health, ultimately. And. You, if your genes say that you're going to have this belly, then you're going to have this belly. No matter how good you eat and how much exercise you do, you gotta I think Mike Tyson said it first, weight training, strength training and exercises, doing a whole bunch of what you don't want to do and acting like you love it is what it got.

Chuck Shute  20:21  
Yeah, that's that's so true. You're right, I struggle with the same thing. So I'm like, I like, working out, and then, yeah, you kind of get into the like, wow, I look really good. But then ultimately, is it about, like, what you look like, or is it about your long term health and and longevity? Because, like, Yeah, I mean, I don't want to get cancer. Like, that's a thing. I see so many people struggling. You know, cancer rates are through the I'm like, how? Okay, how do I avoid this? But yeah, I was like, some of the stuff, these supplements and things people are taking, like, they said, 60% of people in my gym take testosterone. I'm like, I don't know. I think that would make you look good, but I don't know if that's good for long, long term health.

Whey Jennings  20:55  
Now, my doctor said No, whenever I start taking something new. I talk to my doctor first? And she tells me the effects of it, here and there, and if it has any negative, negative, long term effects, I just don't mess with it. I thought about the testosterone things. I'm a little older, but I just, I can't do it. I just what I do now is I was taking a pre workout before I went in the gym. But now I just drink a Celsius and then go in the gym. And I got to where I was drinking Celsius every day, whether I was doing it, whether I was working out or not, but I got to realizing where I was just like, overdosing and caffeine all the time, you know, because I get up, have a couple cups of coffee, and then I'll have a Celsius, and then I'll go to the gym, have another Celsius. And if I didn't do that, I was, I was taking pre workout, which is 200 milligrams of of caffeine, and I'm just going in there, he's going, that's definitely not good for you. So less is more when it comes to supplements, I believe, um, it's all about being able to talk yourself into doing it. You know? It's just You gotta go in there, get through the door and start working out, and then just work yourself until you you're burning all over, you know,

Chuck Shute  22:08  
yeah. Do you feel like sometimes having that discipline with working out? Is it the same with music, like you have to force yourself to write? Or is that like, just come super easy and you love picking up, you know, writing the songs and stuff like that.

Whey Jennings  22:21  
Man, I've had it both ways. Uh, writing, it used to come so easy to me when I was on drugs, you know. I mean, I could make up a song like that, you know, just and then when I got sober, I started, you know, getting a little self conscious about myself and not wanting to just put anything out there, you know. I mean, and I don't know if I was just a good writer back then, it came easy to me, and I thought I was great because I was high or or if now I know my songs are better now, because I not only write them in a different fashion, also bounce them off of people and tighten them up and make sure they're perfect before going to court. But it just depends. Man, sometimes writing comes easy. It has to do with what kind of mindset you're in, who you're writing with, what may have happened in your life at the time, what you're trying to write about. I just really, I've always in the back of my mind wanted to write the perfect song that would just change the whole world, and said everything, right? You know? I mean, I just always in my heart and soul, thought that was possible, like one, one song could change the whole outcome of reality. And I still kind of feel like that inside, you know, it's probably not true, but I feel like it could be, you know, I feel like there could be a song that could grab a hold of everybody's attention and make everybody just go, oh, you know, but I don't believe that any, any man could write that song. I think, I think, I think that song will exist one day at the end. But for right now, I'm just trying to do my part, writing songs I write and hopefully changing little parts of the world as we go along. Do

Chuck Shute  24:05  
you? Have you ever written a song about like, anxiety and like and worry and stuff like that? Because I feel like I could relate to that. So I'm sure a lot of people could relate to something like that. Like that might be very powerful. That's

Whey Jennings  24:17  
probably a pretty good idea there. You know, it's just, I feel like there's a lot of people that right now, I feel like we got this really strong sober movement going on. We gotta. I'm seeing Jesus pop up in everybody's music right now. I'm seeing mental health brought up a lot. I'm seeing, I'm seeing a lot of things I like going on right now. You know, it's just, it's just coming in the most unorthodox manners sometimes, and I feel like we're just at this crazy crossroad in life right now. You know, it's just music is so different. It used to be. Life is so different. It used to be. It's just, I don't know where we're going right now as a as a species, you know? It's just, I feel like within the next 20 years, we'll understand a little more than what we understand now. But I feel like right now we're kind of coming out of our cocoon, you know? I mean, it's like we were, we were we were in this. We were this for many, many years, and now we're turning into this. And we don't yet know what this is. You know, all I know is that music's going to play a big part in it, and I want to be a big part of that now I'm going to do the best I can with it. Yeah,

Chuck Shute  25:36  
no, I think you're doing great. I love the the music that I've heard so far. I can't wait to hear the new stuff that's Is there a potential date on when that would come out? Or

Whey Jennings  25:47  
I'll go into the studio on the 21st 22nd 22nd I'll go in the studio, and by then I'll have all these songs that right now, I got probably about one and two thirds of an album. I got one album probably two thirds of another. I just gotta figure out which songs I'm using on this one that I'm doing now, and which songs I'm saving for this one over here. And it's but by the 22nd I'll know which ones I'm recording. I'm really, really optimistic about this album. It's something different I've ever done. It's going to be a lot of really good songs that mean a lot to me and and I've bounced them off of more people than I've ever bounced to any of my music off of. So I know I'm headed in the right direction. So what I don't know, when the release date?

Chuck Shute  26:31  
Yeah. How's it different?

Whey Jennings  26:35  
Well, usually used to when I was like, on drugs and stuff, I'd only write about being on drugs. Then I got sober. And for the for last few albums I did, I only wanted to do songs about, you know, about following God and being sober. And then I realized, man, all of this is part of my life, you know, I mean, so I gotta dip back into this and that, and kind of mix it all together and make it this big, real thing, you know? I mean, you don't have to just be on this side of it or this side of it. It needs to be all one thing. So that's what's different about this album, is that it touches on so much that means a lot to me, like all the way from when I was young and making mistakes and where I want to be when I'm old. There's this one song. It means a lot to me. I don't want to tell you too much about it, but it's called, I'll see you soon, and it's about an older couple. One of them passes away, you know? And it's really going to be, it's going to be something really special. I believe it's like when you start crying while you're writing a song, you know, there's some power in there, you know? And that's, that's what I've been kind of gearing myself towards. I don't want hollow songs. I want songs they make you feel something. And every song that I've got in front of me right now makes you feel something, whether it be laughter or, you know, pride, or, you know, sympathy or empathy or something. And that's what I believe music's supposed to be. It's supposed to be something that makes you go back and listen again just because you miss something, you know, yeah, that kind of thing. That's what I that's what I'm after. That's

Chuck Shute  28:20  
great. What do you think about Oliver Anthony? Because he had, like, a viral song a couple years ago, and that was really resonated with a lot of people. I feel like there was a lot of emotion in that. When you talk about emotion in the song, that's kind of what made me think of that.

Whey Jennings  28:37  
Well, I've never met Oliver Anthony, but I think he's talented. I think he's got really good songs he's written, but it's one of the things it's really hard to say. I mean, I really, I really love his music and but I really have to get to know the guy before I gave any kind of opinion on what I thought of him. Honestly.

Chuck Shute  28:59  
Yeah, no, just the music, though, like that style, like, it's kind of a like, I said, it's so different from what I'm used to like hearing in the 80s and 90s with country. I think that's why, when I was a kid, I didn't like country, because I just felt like it was so overproduced and soulless, and now you got guys like Oliver Anthony were just bleeding their soul out there, and you're like, Okay, wow. This is real this is like, real music, and there's so much more, I mean, yourself included. You could tell the songs or you could feel the emotion in it.

Whey Jennings  29:27  
Yeah. I mean, just because I feel like we're getting back to our roots with music these days, you know? I mean, I feel like back before the music business was a thing, and it was just music, and people playing after work or on their porches or hanging out at barbecues with their families, playing music and all this stuff. That's where the emotion was, you know. I mean, it's when music was just music, you know. I mean, people put everything they had it into it. There wasn't, no, I can't do this thing. It was like. Everybody did it, whether they was great at it or not. Everybody did it because it was something that came along with life, you know, people would work in the coal mines when they got off, they want to sit around and cook and play music. And that's just the way it was back in the days, you know. And then it became this music business thing, and the first stars were born, and then everybody was like, I can't do that, you know, I mean, so, you know, everybody just sort of backed off of it for a while. Now, everybody's getting kind of used to the music business and realizing that, you know, music is still this thing that people used to relieve their stress at the end of the day, or to, you know, communicate with each other, or, you know, just to, you know, worship God, you know, just whatever they used it for. There's so many different facets to be used. When it comes to music, it's just, I feel like now, it's almost like there's so many people in the music business that it almost resembles what it used to be before the business was there. You know, it's just music again, you know, yeah, it's so interesting

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