Hypnotherapist Tim Shurr Explains How to Break Through Mental Obstacles

Tim Shurr, a hypnotherapist with over 16,000 coaching sessions, discusses his journey and methods for breaking mental obstacles. He emphasizes the importance of understanding and changing limiting beliefs, often formed in childhood, to achieve personal growth. Shurr highlights the significance of self-love and the power of giving, sharing examples of how reframing negative perceptions can lead to positive changes. He also stresses the value of collaboration and strategic networking to enhance one's success. The conversation touches on overcoming addiction, the impact of positive media, and the importance of persistence and adaptability in achieving personal and professional goals.

0:00:00 - Intro

0:00:20 - Finding Success & Helping Others 

0:06:45 - Beliefs About Money, Rich People & Insecurities 

0:11:45 - Success Definition & Having Goals  

0:12:45 - Healthy Food & Lifestyle & Re-framing 

0:19:01 - The Truth Shall Set You Free & Biblical Wisdom

0:24:05 - Working Through Unconscious Thoughts & Beliefs 

0:26:40 - Sometimes Things are Not the Right Fit 

0:29:30 - Feeling Stuck & Evolving To Success 

0:34:28 - State of Hypnosis, Making Habits & Finding Rewards 

0:38:30 - Trying to Convince Others & Finding Partners 

0:43:22 - David Goggins, Charisma & Explaining Value 

0:47:55 - Keep Going & Showing Up 

0:52:10 - Having Regrets & Behind the Scenes 

0:54:10 - Successful People & Helping Struggling People 

0:56:55 - Too Many Ideas & Inspiring Ideas 

0:58:55 - Psychology & Brainwashing Yourself 

1:04:25 - Reasons People Don't Change 

1:07:15 - Irrational Fears & Phobias 

1:12:13 - Sports Psychology 

1:15:30 - Why Pop Psychology Doesn't Work 

1:17:32 - Climbing Out of the Pit 

1:20:20 - Promotions

1:21:30 - Outro 

Tim Shurr website:

https://timshurr.com/

Chuck Shute linktree:

https://linktr.ee/chuck_shute

Transcript

THEME SONG: 0:04

Vanity down with the heavy stars rock and rolling through the cool guitars shops got the questions digging so sharp, feeling back layers hitting the heart.

Chuck Shute: 0:17

Well, welcome to the show. This is exciting. I, you know, I didn't realize you had done, you've done 15,000 individual coaching sessions. Is that, right?

Tim Shurr: 0:29

It's closer to 16 now, in fact, it's probably over 16. Yeah, I've been, I've been in practice for 30 years, and so, yeah, 1000s of sessions, hundreds of groups. I've been obsessed with, uh, freeing people from whatever holds them back.

Chuck Shute: 0:45

Yeah, what is it just that I know you the backstory as to, um, kind of why you got into the hypnosis. But, um, is that why you want to help other people? Because you just didn't want them to suffer like you did.

Tim Shurr: 0:59

Um, basically, yeah, okay, yeah. And fun watching people to experience joy, you know, to have watch people have breakthroughs that they felt were impossible, or people who gave up because they just didn't think that they were just trying to come to terms with this is how my life is going to be, and they weren't expecting that the next chapter was going to be so awesome. And so I love watching people go from breakdowns to breakthroughs like that.

Chuck Shute: 1:28

Yeah, no, I love to hear that the motivation. Because I think that's something that I you know, I follow a lot of these self help stuff. I read a lot of the books, I listen a lot of the podcasts, and one thing they always talk about is, like, figure out your why, you're why like. So that's what I always like to ask people, like, Why? Why this like I get, like, your backstory, why you would want to figure it out for yourself. But I think that's what's interesting to me, is when I look at successful people, a lot of times they will figure things out for themselves and then, but they don't want to share that secret with other people. They're just like, All right, well, I got my money, I made my millions and, all right, I'm just going to keep, you know, living my life. But other people are like, Oh, I made millions of dollars. I want to help other people do that too. Because this is, like, great. This is a great thing,

Tim Shurr: 2:11

yeah, well, on the other hand, too, a lot of people that are advertising as coaches, they've been successful, but they haven't been able to help others really be successful. So they're always showing their own case studies. That's why, you know, I talk about my background so people can connect with me. But my, a lot of my sites are just case story, case study after study, story after story. Of you know, look at what is possible for you. You know, this isn't just what I was able to accomplish. Anybody can learn how to upgrade their unconscious beliefs and shift from this deep fear that I'm not good enough into a feeling of self love, and then we can love ourselves more, which gives us the capacity to love others more. And that's what the Bible says, love yourself, love your enemies, you know, and love others and and so I think that's what we're missing in this world of of an this age of anxiety that we're in,

Chuck Shute: 3:03

right? I think that's what I've noticed for me. I mean, I feel like I've I haven't, like, got to the top of the mountain, in my opinion, like, but I think I've gotten close, and there's been glimpses and when my life is going really well and like things are clicking and I'm feeling good, like, it makes me want to spread that out to other people. Like, want to, like, share the love, share the wealth, like, help other people out. Like, for example, like, with my podcast, if my podcast is doing well and I'm kicking butt, like, there's, I know a lot of other podcasters, and let's say, like, I had a really good guest on, I will reach out and say, Hey, you should have this guy on. Like, this will get you a lot of views. Or, this is a really interesting guest, or this, you'll have a really good have a really good conversation. Or, you know, your audience will really like this, and people are like, it's weird, because people will be so, like, taken aback at that. They're like, what like, you're trying to help me? Like, what are you doing? I'm like, like, I want us all to be happy and successful. Like, isn't that what everybody wants? It's like, it's like, a strange phenomena. Maybe it's like it's strange to Americans. Maybe in other countries, it's not, I don't know.

Tim Shurr: 4:06

Well, not all Americans. It's just some, right, some. And, you know, Tony Robbins said the secret to living is giving. Top though, said that the goal of life is to figure out what your gifts are, and the purpose of life is to give them away, yeah, just expands your joy

Chuck Shute: 4:24

Exactly. Yeah. And when I started this podcast, I I had each guest that would come on promote a charity, and I did that for, like, I don't know, two or 300 maybe 400 episodes. And I finally just did away with it, because I think there were so many people that it just they didn't get it, you know, and then also, I think, I don't think it was making a difference. I don't think people were donating, although i i tried to donate as to as many as I could, and I learned of some really interesting, cool charities. And my other thing with that was, I thought, I don't know if I trust some of these big organizations. I think they're keeping a lot of this money, but I still want to have that sort of message. Trying to help other people. I just think, what should be more like? We should do it ourselves and not, you know, giving money to organizations and trusting them to do it.

Tim Shurr: 5:08

That's a really good observation there, and really amazing that you did that. I mean, really respectable and and we can't control the outcomes, but we can control what we do. And so the fact that you were putting that out there, this the fact that you were opening that space, you know, forgiving is a beautiful thing. I sent out a post on Facebook to my community, and I'm like, Hey, I just wrote this 30 day prayer guide for business owners, and I'm wondering if I should just give it away and or if I should charge $10 and then all the money that comes in, I give to charity, right? And when I say I give to charity, I go to charity. I go right out to the next homeless person I see on the corner, and I hand them the 10 bucks. So it goes right to the person that I know it's going to make a difference for them today, instead of cutting a check, and and I was surprised, everybody said, charge the $10 because I said, What if I give it to you, and then you are responsible for taking 10 bucks and going and paying somebody else? And the response was, I'd rather give you the $10 and I'm like, That's so strange, isn't it? Right? It's so strange that, but it kind of validates what you're talking about. And, and, and so I'm like, I'll charge $10 and then I'll give it away. But I'm like, I get double the joy, right? Because I get to make a sale and then I get to also take that sale and I get to give it to somebody. And that's like a win win for me. I'm trying to get other people to experience that joy of giving, but people are really you know, we got a lot of issues when it comes to our money.

Unknown: 6:48

What do you mean by that? Well,

Tim Shurr: 6:50

we have so many limiting beliefs, subconscious beliefs, about money, that there's not enough, that you're not worthy of it, that you can't get it, that if you do get it, it's going to taint your services, it's going to somehow make things worse that to get it, you have to give up something. So you're going to lose your friends, you're going to lose your family. People aren't going to be around you anymore. When I first started working with companies, I had a group of people that were like, oh, Tim went corporate now, like, it was a bad thing, you know? And I had a father in law gave me a watch, a gold watch. It was really nice. And, and I don't really wear jewelry, but I was wearing that around, and I had family members go, I guess you're you're special now, huh? You're hot shot, your Big Shot now. And, you know? And it was like, instead of people being inspired by what's possible, they they tend to shove us back down because it makes them feel small and insecure and and so the biggest stressor we have is money. Not having enough, I'm going to run out of it. I don't know how to get it and, and because of those issues, when you try to get someone to think that tithing or giving is going to actually make you more abundant, people just don't trust that. They just don't believe it. They're they're just too afraid to let go. But you know, if you're, if you're gripped around that money, then your hand is squeezed into a fist, and you can't get any more flowing in, right? You have to open your hand and let it flow in and and then that means letting it go as well. And that's why they say givers gain. And the ones that hoard money are the ones that you know end up either losing it or they're just really miserable people.

Chuck Shute: 8:29

Yeah. I mean, it does seem like there is this mentality. I mean, you're experiencing it firsthand, but it's like this anti rich, anti I mean, especially, it's directed, I mean, I see it a lot, you know, directed towards billionaires, these evil billionaires, but even people with moderate success, like you said, a nice watch, people have some disdain for that. It is interesting. It because if that's not your thing money, you don't want to have a lot of money. You don't want showy things or nice things, or nice cars, whatever. I think that's okay. But why do you fault other people who, you know, like, I like, there's a guy that I follow, Andy frizzella, and, you know, he's really into business and and helping people and all that, and, but he really likes nice cars. And it's not like he's trying to have the car to show off. He just really loves cars. And if that's your thing, why can't and you really want to work hard, and you do it, and you're doing it legally. I don't see why that is necessarily a bad thing.

Tim Shurr: 9:23

It's not a bad thing. It's just a thing. And but our beliefs cause us to often be envious, right? And jealousy, because it

Chuck Shute: 9:34

makes Yeah, all kind of jealous, though, a little bit to some degree,

Tim Shurr: 9:38

yes, yeah. I mean, we're all we all have those those sins, those limiting beliefs that you know comparison is the root to suffering, right? So if we're constantly comparing ourselves to somebody else who has more, but then you can look at what you have and compare that to so many people that would love to have what you have, right? But we're not really looking at that. That, you know, we're looking at, yeah, but I don't have this, or I don't have that, or I haven't accomplished this, and I don't look this way and and it's always making us feel less than so the people that see others succeeding, and they're happy for them, are often very successful and happy themselves. And the people that are that are ridiculing that success will never have it because they're associating pain to that. So their brain is going to naturally reject it at an unconscious level.

Chuck Shute: 10:28

Yeah. I mean, I think for myself, sometimes I look at and I think this is what for a lot of people, for what jealousy really is, is that it's reflecting back to them things that they don't have. So if someone else is rich and successful, then they it reflects back to them that, oh, I'm not rich or successful, or, you know, if they're commenting on people's bodies, it's, it's the insecurity of their own body. And I catch myself doing this sometimes, you know, with myself, I'm like, Okay, wait, why am I? Why am I feeling that? Or why am I having those thoughts, oh, you know what it's like. I think it's, it's because of my own failures that, you know things, I need to step my own game up, and then that hopefully will motivate me to make a change within myself. Because, I mean, I can't change what other people do. I can only change myself, right?

Tim Shurr: 11:15

Well, Chuck, that's a wonderful spin that you had there. That's a power question, right? So if you're, if you're like, Hey, how can I use this as motivation to improve my life? Now you're using it to inspire you, and that's going to lift you up, and then having others have that around you will allow you to lift up to that level. Or if you're walking around judging and pushing people down, you're just going to go down with them, right? So it's all about the meaning that you give to these situations and and you can ask yourself, you know, why would I What would I have to believe to feel this way? I have to believe that I'm less than I have to believe that I'm a failure. No, you're not. The best definition of success I ever heard came from Earl Nightingale, and Bob Proctor was the one who told me it, and he said that basically to have a goal and go after it every day makes you a success, not even if you attain it, but to have a worthy goal and to go after it every day makes you a successful human being. And so if we see somebody that has something that we want, and we're like, you know what? I'd like to have a nice car like that, all right, well, let's turn it into a goal, not just a dream, but a goal with action steps, and start with the end in mind, reverse engineer what it needs to and then as you go after that car, it's not just getting the car, it's who you become in order to have a car like that. And that's ultimately the best purpose for goals is for who you end up becoming in the process of achieving them, right?

Chuck Shute: 12:39

Yeah, I just had this, I don't know what you would call she's kind of like, a holistic, healthy she, I call her an influencer. She doesn't like that term, but, you know, she does some, like, Instagram stuff and, but she's a health coach, and she was saying, you know, like, because I told her, I said, you know, I'm not, I try to be healthy, but I'm not like, you guys, you health coaches who are like, you never have a cheat meal. And you're just, you're always, like, on, you know, always eating healthy. And she said, well, for her, it became her identity to be a healthy person. So it's like, she looks at junk food and she just, it's like, grosses her out, and that, you know, she looks at healthy food and that's what she wants. She's not, like, depriving herself of something that she wants. She actually just wants healthy food. And I think you kind of talked about that too with with the one of your clients, I think, was it Karen, or somebody that had to lose weight, that that she would kind of look at the food differently, and like you, she framed it as, like, having, like an Hawaiian, like tropical meal, and like fresh vegetables or whatever.

Tim Shurr: 13:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? She turned it around. So she used to talk about her fried chicken and her Southern cooking, right? And her biscuits and her mashed potatoes. And she would do that at my hypnosis weight loss classes that I used to run 20 years ago and making everybody hungry. And I'm like, Jenny, describe healthy food, you know. And she's like, What? Like salad and carrots like rabbit food, you know? And she was, she was describing the healthy food that would get her to her goal is boring and yucky, and she was describing the food that was keeping her stuck as being delicious and wonderful and and so your brain is always trying to create pleasure and avoid pain. And if you're associating pain to the activities that are going to help you succeed, then guess what? You're not going to succeed. So we reverse that. I just challenged her and the rest of the group to start describing the healthy food as though it was wonderful, and then the food that wasn't healthy describe it as being boring and yucky. Kind of switched the strategy. She came back a couple weeks later. She she's all smiles. I'm like, Why are you smiling? She says, I'm down seven pounds. I'm like, Wow, how'd you do that? She says, Well, let me tell you about my my little vacation meals, right? I get my my wooden bowl, and I get my greens, and I get my treats and, and I'm like, What are your treats? And she says, you know, from the garden, like my red peppers, my tomatoes and, and then she said, I get a glass of water, I put a slice of. A sunshine on there. I'm like, boy. She's like, slice of lemon, but it feels like sunshine, honey. Ooh, I feel like I'm on vacation. And I'm like, What about the fried chicken? And she says, ooh, that makes me feel greasy. I haven't had that in the last two weeks. And so she had flipped the script. She associated pleasure to the foods that are going to give her more pleasure. Now what you were describing is what I call addition and subtraction. So when we look at people who are really healthy, we're like, man, you really had to take away. Look how you're being deprived, right? So you don't get the cookies, you don't get the pizza, you don't get all that stuff. And your health coach was saying, it's not that I don't get it. I don't want it because it makes me tired, right? It makes me feel sluggish, it makes me feel unmotivated, and then I'm not getting my stuff done, and then I don't feel the joy of momentum and progress. So she doesn't feel like it's a subtraction. But that's what most people are doing in their mind. What do I have to lose to get this? What's going to be taken away from me to have that? And so our approach is all about addition. What kind of value are you going to gain from this? What kind of energy, what kind of success, what kind of joy, what kind of connection, what kind of new pleasure are you going to experience when you're playing to win instead of playing not to lose?

Chuck Shute: 16:13

Yeah, no, that's perfect. And I noticed one thing too, like, I mean, I've started eating a lot healthier over the last couple of decades, really, I mean progressively getting healthier and healthier. But another thing that I've changed a lot since my 20s is is alcohol and drinking. I just, I don't find it. I used to love going out on the weekends, having a few beers, a couple glasses of wine or whatever. I just feel like the older I get, the less that that is fun. And I think that there's some people that still have that mentality that, if you don't, you know, being sober is boring and it's it's lame and all this kind of thing. But I actually, like, prefer it, like I have more fun when I'm not all I feel like alcohol makes me drowsy now it makes me tired. Makes me kind of, you know, feeling sick the next day and hung over and, I mean, even just a couple drinks. And so I feel like that's a thing that people need to do if they have alcohol or drug issues, is is reframe those things. Because I think there's this mindset that, especially I interview a lot of rock musicians, and you hear this story repeatedly, how they get sober, and I think it's that lifestyle that they feel like they need drugs and alcohol to be for it to be fun. It's part of the party. And if you the party ends and there's no fun and But yeah, if you talk to a lot of them, the older ones, they they feel much happier now that they're sober.

Tim Shurr: 17:35

Yeah, you're exactly right. That's an excellent example of it. It's more fun, plus you've identified, or you're upgraded the identity. I freed so many people from alcoholism, from smoking, from drugs, from, you know, everything there is and and so we reverse the pain and the pleasure, like what we've been talking about. We also upgrade the identity, right? Because a lot of times people use because they're trying to have that liquid courage, they're trying to feel more confident. They're trying to be more outgoing, they're trying to overcome their stage fright. They feel like they're more social, like they're going to lose their friends if they're not partying with their friends and and so they got all these limiting unconscious beliefs. Or maybe they're just trying to numb it out, or using it as a distraction from the traumas that they've been through growing up. Or they don't feel worthy, you know, or good and good enough just being themselves. They think they need something else to, you know, take them to that next level. And as they get older, they realize I don't have to prove myself anymore. I don't have to chase approval. I got a better friend group now. You know, I have people who love me for me, I love myself now, and I'm not going to do that to myself anymore, and you're right. So it upgrades their identity. And when you upgrade, you know, vegetarians don't feel like they're missing out on hamburgers. You know, they just don't. They don't want them. That's not who they are anymore.

Chuck Shute: 18:53

Yeah, no. And I think there's one quote that I just I it comes up in my day lately, last few weeks or months, like it comes up, I feel like it comes up several times. The truth shall set you free. You know, everyone's probably heard that quote. I didn't realize I had to Google. I was like, what is that actually from? Because you heard movies and stuff. It's like, no, that's from the Bible. But it is so true. Because I think that is, and this is a great example, too, with alcohol and stuff. I think sometimes people use alcohol to mask them. And I think that they're right. They're saying, well, I won't have fun, you know, going out to the clubs and stuff. And it's like, yeah, you're right, because you probably don't like going to clubs, you know. So why are you doing it with alcohol? Like, being sober is the truth? Like, that's reality. You're masking reality with drugs or alcohol. It's like, you probably don't like those activities that you're doing with drugs and alcohol. So then what happens is, you find new activities and like, oh, actually, I really like to just do this. Like, I really like to go. For me, it's like, you know, being out with nature and hiking and and those kinds I love having these kinds of conversations, whether it's on my podcast or randomly with a person. While I'm traveling, like, I just love having conversations and talking to people one on one, and so I find that much, much more. And you can't have those conversations with people if you've both had a lot of alcohol, right? It's like, you don't remember it, or it becomes like nonsensical or other problems,

Tim Shurr: 20:18

you're exactly right. You're exactly right. I was an addictions counselor when I was first going to school for psychology, just paying for school and and I would work with a lot of teenagers and in inpatient outpatient programs and day programs where kids were kicked out of schools. Work with a lot of kids in gangs, and I would teach them how to get high on hypnosis instead of everything else, and they loved it, and and it was so much better for them, and then we would fill them with self love and self esteem, which they never really had before, and it was way better than any high they could have got doing all the other stuff. And it was long lasting. It made them feel better afterwards. It moved them towards a greater state of peace and well being, instead of waking up hung over, or feeling like you're going to get in trouble, or wondering what, what dumb thing that I just do, and now I got to deal with the consequences. And the other point you made, Chuck was really good. The best advice is always in the Bible. It's amazing when, when you have when, if you grow up in church, you don't grow up in church, you you look at the Bible and it's a bunch of boring stories that don't seem relatable. But as you get older, if you look at it from a different perspective. There is so much deep wisdom in that book. It's insane. So,

Chuck Shute: 21:25

yeah, I have a friend who's I've actually had him on the show, and he's a preacher, and I've gone to see him preaching, and I'm not a super religious person, but you're right. The wisdom and the philosophy, I'm like, Oh, this is spot on. Like, I don't care if you're a Christian or not a Christian. Or not a Christian. Like, what he's saying, like the ideas and the philosophy, I think is spot on. I think because I'm really more of a like, psychological perspective, and I think a lot of the things he was saying that are from the Bible make sense, and they're going to lead to prosperity, in my opinion, like, I think that would be better than, again, the drugs and alcohol. Like I've seen the end results of that, and I that's not what I what I want for myself. I don't think anybody does

Tim Shurr: 22:12

No. Well, there where people are searching and they're looking for meaning, and they don't know how to find that meaning. I spent 36 years in personal development, and I never found that ultimate piece that I was looking for until I started developing a relationship with Jesus, which, you know, is something that I would have never even talked about or admitted on a podcast or in my profession as a psychotherapist, I was trained not to talk about stuff like that, so, but my goal is to find the best tools and strategies that help us to feel The most fulfilled. And it turns out, you know, the Bible is one of the most amazing places for that and and so I encourage people like to watch the chosen on Amazon Prime, because it's, it shows you a perspective. There's a lot of Jesus movies out there, but it shows you the perspective of the his students, the disciples, and how they were watching it in action, first person all the miracles, and they still doubted, and they still had envy, and they still had jealousy, and they still had greed and and fear, lots and lots of doubt and fear. And so it's no wonder that, you know, we haven't seen any of that firsthand. So for us to have all this doubt, and so we go searching for some spiritual experience, and people are using drugs as they always have to try to have some connection. But you don't need the drugs to do it. You can use it through using the power of your mind and through going to church and by having different experiences that really upgrade your unconscious beliefs. You know that's that's what I found after all those sessions and all this time working with people that you got these core, deep beliefs that are formed, usually before the age of 12, that are guiding your life. And most of the time, people don't even know that those beliefs are there. And as Carl Jung once said, he said, the goal of life is to make the unconscious conscious, otherwise it will rule your life, and you will call it fate.

Chuck Shute: 24:04

So how do you do that? How do you make those unconscious thoughts rise to the surface?

Tim Shurr: 24:09

So for me, it's very simple. I just help you get in touch with the feeling that's holding you back, whether we call it anxiety, worry, stress, fear, pressure, whatever it may be. And we step into that feeling, and we just follow it back to the first time you ever felt that way. And so people will go back to when they were two or four or 12, or someone today went back to when she was 30 and and so there was an experience that people had, and then from that experience, it's usually an upsetting or traumatic experience. And from that experience, their brain formed a belief. And a belief is just an idea that we believe with certainty is is accurate, right? And so they'll have some horrible thing happen and or even just being embarrassed in the front of of the classroom when you're in third grade. And then your brain forms a belief that I. Talk in front of crowds, right? And then you get this belief, why not? Because I'm not good enough to do it. And so now you have this belief that's guiding you in the back of your brain your whole entire life, that you're not enough. So you hold back on making certain decisions. You don't trust your own gut feelings. You're always relying on other people's advice to save you, you know, and or to help you, and then you feel like you're always being attracted to people who let you down and and then we can't figure out why that keeps happening. There must be something wrong with me, and it reinforces that original limiting belief. So we go back to that situation, and we give you the resources that if you would have had those resources at that time, then that situation wouldn't have been traumatic, or it would have been different, and you could have come out from with a different belief, right? So we go back to that third grade, and we imagine that when people are laughing at you, that you start laughing back, or when the when the teacher says something negative, you respond with something positive and loving and empowering, and then everybody starts clapping for you, and then we reframe the situation, and then we ask you, what would you rather believe instead? Right? And I want to believe that I can do anything I put my mind to, and that I'm more than enough. And because we've created a new emotional experience, and we've developed new resources, and we've come out with a new belief that lasts through time. It doesn't wear off and and so, of course, that's the first part of it. You know, I take people through these one belief away experiences and, and so that's how you basically do it. And it seems very simple, and I've just perfected these experiences over all these years.

Chuck Shute: 26:36

Yeah, I know for me, one thing that I had to change my belief on was, like, I was a I used to work as a counselor in the schools for 17 years. I did that, and I just kept, you know, last few years of it, I was like, I mean, I was burned out through a lot of it, I think. But I think especially the last few years, I was like, I am so burned out. Like, what? And but I would see other people, and they loved it, you know, they were like, I remember. I'll never forget one of the guys I worked with, the principal said, like, oh, it's not that I have to go play with the kids at recess. He's like, I get to play with the kids at recess. And I was like, and I was just thinking in my head, I'm like, I'm dreading this. I'm like, I don't want to be around these kids at recess. And then I thought there was something wrong with me. I must be depressed or, you know, I should be enjoying this job. And then I realized, like, No, it wasn't. There was something wrong with me. This just was not the right fit for me anymore. I think maybe it was, or maybe it never was, but I did not want to be working in a school. Schools made like some people have a fear of hospitals, or like they just don't like hospitals. That's how I felt about schools at that point. I just was so burned out. I wanted nothing to do with books and classrooms and teachers and parent teacher conferences. I wanted nothing to do with it. And so I realized this isn't something, and I feel like that is a thing that a lot of people could benefit from, like, if their marriage doesn't work out or whatever, it's not that there was something wrong with them. It was just it was not the right fit. If they got fired from a job again, it wasn't maybe that they were a bad employee. It was just that was not the right fit for them. I feel like that would be a huge, powerful belief for people to change, if they could reframe it into this is not the right fit, rather than there's something wrong with me

Tim Shurr: 28:16

100% and you know, sometimes it's not a fit anymore, right? So, I mean, you put in 17 years, that's a long time, and and did a lot of good during that time, but it was time for you to evolve. It was time for you to do something else and add value in new ways, and bring that experience and channel it in a new, you know, for a new chapter of your life. And, and you knew it. There was a part of you that that knew that, and it was time for you to spread your wings and fly, so to speak, and and we won't do that if we're comfortable, if we're content, right? If you were just content, you would have sat and put your time in anyway, and then you would have been miserable. So the fact that you had the courage to take that leap, to make that jump, to have the courage to go and try something else and do something new, is what ends up creating a lot of fulfillment in life. And you know, in that moment you decided that you were going to play to win, instead of just, you know, and get from the day, instead of just trying to get through another one.

Chuck Shute: 29:20

Yeah, now, so I feel like I, I did have some success now with this podcast and such, but now it feels like I'm just, I'm kind of like, stuck, right? I've, also, I will tell you, with my physical health, I've, I've had some success. I've lost, I think I lost like 30 pounds or something like that. My body fat was down like 5% and I'm just, I'm trying to get to 15% body fat. And it just I'm in that, you know, I was down to like, 17 at one point. I was real close. But it just feels like, with both of those things, I feel like I'm I'm working hard. I go to the gym five days a week. I'm eating healthy. I'm working on the podcast every day, even sometimes weekends and nights. I'm putting in the time. I'm putting it, but I'm just not getting to that. Next level, like, how do we evolve to that next level? Because you want, I mean, you look at guys, like, I'm just thinking in terms of podcasts or whatever, like and successful people, you know, there's people like Joe Rogan at probably best podcast right now, like Patrick mahomes, one of the best quarterbacks right now. There's people like that. And then you have people that are, they're doing it right? Like they're on an NFL team, maybe, or they have a podcast, and they're they're doing it, but they're not at that you know? They're not winning Super Bowls or whatever. They're not at the top of their game. So what separates the people who who are just some moderate success to being at the top of your game?

Tim Shurr: 30:36

Some people are just lucky. They just get lucky, like Joe Rogan, I know, but he was doing fear factor right. And then he got involved with with the, oh, what is the fighting? I forget what they call it, UFC. The UFC, yeah, thank you. And so he got involved with that a little bit, and and was generous in that way. And so he was, he started getting around the right people and getting in the right circles. And, I mean, he was just a stand up comic. And, you know, you asked Joe himself, and he's like, I'm not the brightest guy in the world. He says it's a joke that I'm friends with Elon Musk, you know, because, you know. And so he admits that he's not doing anything super secret or powerful, that if I could give you that secret sauce, then you could do the same thing. He just kept at it, and he kept taking advantage of whatever was in front of him, and he kept saying yes, and he kept going for it. And then magic happened, and things turned out for him, and he capitalized on that your path may be to do, that your path is probably something else, right, that's unique and made for you. So what you got to do then is, if you're in another chapter, another growth opportunity right now in your life, you got to think about, all right, I'm going to be open to new opportunities. How can I take all these conversations and turn them into courses or speaking opportunities? Or how can I take my relationships and turn them into affiliate relationships and then work through, you know, sharing what all the experience you've gained from hundreds and hundreds of conversations, and all 17 years of working with kids. I mean, you've amassed a lot of wisdom, and so you got to figure out how to package that in a way that would bring you joy, and then create relationships with all the, you know, the huge community that you've created to see what's next for you. And so you just keep starting the day with you know, the prayer of Jabez, Dear God, please expand my territory and and protect me from doing evil, right? And, and, and then watch for the opportunities for for you to take new action. So maybe you're not going to the gym five days a week, and maybe you're not working on your podcast 100 hours a week, because you're creating space for new possibilities to come in. And then you stay open to it, and then you watch for the clues. And as soon as you start watching for the clues, you take action on it. So I asked Joe Vitale the same question, I'm like, Joe, do you do you think you'd be as successful as you are if you weren't in the secret movie? And he just laughed, and he said, I don't know. And I said, Well, what made you successful? You know, what? What's that secret sauce? And there isn't one. You know, people say discipline a lot because, you know, I interviewed hundreds of people for a how to be mesmerizing podcast that I ran for a few years, and they all said discipline. But you know, what does that mean? You get up and you work really hard at something, you know, you're able to get yourself to do things that you don't want to do. And a lot of people have a hard time with that. So, but now you you can do that, Chuck, you've proved it. So. So Joe says, I just basically did everything. He said, I did everything I could think of. I wrote all the books I could think of. I did all the speaking engagements. I did the podcast, I do the interviews. You know, I did it all. I wrote the hypnotic writing programs. I tried this association, that association, I did it all, and he said that I got lucky. And you know, when you are believing in yourself and you're just going for it, and your real goal isn't to try to get somewhere else or get something else. Your real goal is to become the next best version of you. Matthew McConaughey said it best. He said that. Someone said, Who's your role model? Who do you look up to? And he said, me five years from now, because that guy's gonna be amazing.

Chuck Shute: 34:17

Wow. That's a lot to unpack, right? That's, that's great stuff, yeah, I mean, it is interesting, because I know a lot of the work that you do is is trying to get people to shift into the discipline and have better habits. And sometimes, like, I think, like, because I think wasn't with hypnosis isn't one of the things they say is that we're kind of always in a state of hypnosis. And like, an example of this is when you're driving, you know, on a road trip or something, and then you kind of zone out, and then you're like, Oh, crap, it's been like, an hour. I didn't realize where did the time go, like, and I realized that, like, I think sometimes you do kind of have to hypnotize yourself in a way, like, where you just make it a habit. Like, I know, for me, for example, the gym I go five days a week, and, you know, people ask me, like. Also, like, you must really like the gym. Like, No, I hate it. Like, I really do hate working out, I but I like the feeling afterwards. And I think that's another thing that you talk about is, like, is finding that the after effect of whatever it is that you want to accomplish, like, with a diet, like, Yeah, you don't want to maybe eat the diet food, but like, you want to be thinner and so like trying to find that positive feeling. There's something you gotta sometimes you gotta search for it, but it's there.

Tim Shurr: 35:29

Yeah, the next level of mastery is figuring out a way to associate pleasure to the action steps, so that you don't constantly have to motivate yourself to do stuff you don't really want to do, because it's very hard to maintain that. Yeah, a way to love it. So when you're exercising, you hang out with other friends, you go to a new gym. Try techniques. You listen to music, right? You got to try different strategies. You know, after your workout, you try the new smoothie bar they have. You got to have rewards and bring pleasure to it, and then it'll allow you to make it sustainable. So But you're right, we walk around in a trance, and our goal is to direct the flow, instead of it just happening to us, like they say, life isn't happening to you. It's happening for you. And so if you're not actively filling your mind with positive or useful energy, then your mind is absorbing whatever's left, which is a lot of negative or unuseful energy. We go into a hypnotic trance every morning and every night when we fall asleep and when we first wake up. And if we're starting and ending our day with gratitude, we're going to have more things to feel grateful for. If we are focusing on what we're excited about and we're always thinking about what we need to learn to be able to solve this next problem, then we're going to find the solutions. We're going to get ideas in our sleep, in the shower, you know, people are going to call up and and all of a sudden have answers for us. So when you're trying to be successful in life, really, it's all about solving the next problem and and whatever you're resisting, here's a secret, whatever you're resisting, that's probably where you need to go next. You know, your biggest breakthroughs are hiding in the places you don't want to go. And so if you go there on purpose, then you're going to create a breakthrough pretty fast,

Chuck Shute: 37:12

the things that you're afraid of, the places that,

Tim Shurr: 37:16

yeah, because that helps you to identify. Well, why are you afraid? You're amazing, you're powerful, you're strong, you're vast, you are, you know, your atomic energy, you don't even die, you're you just your energy just changes form. I mean, you're extraordinary. And we're walking around acting like we're small and tiny and worthless, and no one gives a crap about us, and that is so false and and so but if you feel like you're small and no one cares, then that's the kind of world you will live in, even if that's not how the world is. And so as the Talmud said, you don't says you don't see the world as it is. You see the world as you are. And so that's why it's so important to upgrade those foundational beliefs that you have. It's like they determine what kind of thoughts you have, and those thoughts, those that's the story you're using to narrate your life, and that story you're using to describe your experiences is what you're responding to or reacting to, not the experience itself. So people have tremendous power, they just don't realize it.

Chuck Shute: 38:17

See, that's what's so interesting. Because, yeah, because I've listened to some interviews with you, and you talk about that, you know, changing your beliefs. And I feel like my beliefs are pretty good. Like, I think I'm a pretty good podcaster, but I feel like it's like the problem is trying to convince other people. I feel like I'm in a I'm in a sales job, like all the I'm always trying to sell this, like trying to convince publicists to have their clients on my show. I'm like, No, I will do a really good job. This will be a really good interview. Your client's going to be blown away, but it's like they don't. They don't believe me. They don't believe in me. How do I convince them that I am good, that I am good

Tim Shurr: 38:52

enough? Yeah, you don't. There's a simple answer, because you don't need anybody's approval to tell you that you're enough. Now the thing that you can do, Chuck is you get your best guests that have high profile situations to give a testimonial for your show, and then you share those testimonials with the publicists. Now you're not saying you're great. They are, and that is how you get more street cred. So you don't prove

Chuck Shute: 39:20

I mean, they've said it on my they've said I've had guests. I put highlight reels together because people will say it on my show, like, in the middle of the interview, they're like, Wow, how did you know that? And I put this all together. But I feel like a lot of publicists are lazy. They don't, they don't do the work, and they don't watch it, but if they, yeah, if they watched it, I feel like they would be impressed. I don't know. It's

Tim Shurr: 39:41

true. It's true. And then you can do other things too. You can create sponsorships, right? Or you can, you know, set up some kind of arrangements with people so that they'll come on your show. And you can do sponsorships, you can, you can also be on other people's show, right? And because you've collected a huge amount of. Wisdom, and so you can go be a guest on other people's show and then invite them to be on your show, and then go back and forth. People who are really successful, the reason they're really successful The next level is because the partnerships, they are hooking up with their friends and doing affiliate JV workshop. They're doing all kinds of stuff, sharing each other's lists and and they build their own network, and then they just start to work together, like Tony Robbins. You know Tony Robbins is super famous. You don't need anybody, but look who he's teamed up with, Dean, right? And he took Dean's world, and Dean took Tony's world, and then they collaborated with Russell Brunson with Click Funnels, and Russell built him all these funnels. Russell was trying to get in Tony Robbins world for 10 years, and then he finally got into Tony's world. And then he brought Tony and paid him to be a feature speaker two or three times as his click funnel events. And then Tony finally said, All right, I'm going to show you some love now. And now, you know, you got those three working together. And so Tony didn't do all that by himself. He's got D now he's got Russell now he's and so you've got to figure out who can help me to get those publicist attention, instead of, how can I do all the work? Right? Who can help me? And when you start thinking of it in that way, who do you know? Right? All those people they know. Hey, have publicists, they have friends, they have connections. Like I was, you know, became friends with Joe Vitale, and then I'm starting to ask other people who are coming on my show. I'm like, anybody know, Les Brown, because I really wanted to have less brown on my show and connect with him. And I finally found somebody who gave me less his number. And then I worked for months to get a hold of less, and I finally did. And then I became friends with less, you know? And then eventually, once I had a great relationship with less, I'm like, Hey, you think you could connect me with Brian? Brian Tracy, and he gave me a cell phone, right? Which

Chuck Shute: 41:51

is a, wow. These are big names in the self help field,

Tim Shurr: 41:54

I'm telling you. I took that Chuck and I ran with it. And so once I had less and I had brown I'm like, you know? I'm like, Hey, how do I get a hold of Bob Proctor, right? How do I get a hold of Ken Blanchard? Seth Godin, yeah, I've had them all in my show. And, in fact, I did a legend summit during the pandemic, and brought them all together and had them all hang out together and talk, you know? And it was like blowing my mind. And that all happened because I was using everybody else's leverage. They didn't Brian Tracy didn't know who Tim sure was, but you know who Les Brown is, right? And so I want you to start thinking about how you can use your network to help encourage other people to get some bigger name guests on your show, instead of you feeling like you know them, making you feel like you're not good enough. Because,

Chuck Shute: 42:41

yeah, no, I know it's just, it seems like I'm always like, chasing people and trying to convince I want people to come to me. I want, I want it to get to the point where people are begging to come on my show, because it's so great. You know what I mean? Like, and it's been six years, and I'm like, I'm not saying I'm giving up. But it's like, man, you start to get discouraged a little bit. I'm like, What am I doing? It feels like I'm almost going backwards, like it's harder to get guests now, because, I mean, not to get too deep into the weeds here with podcasting and all this. But you know, there was, like, I think when I started, there was like 500,000 podcasts. Now there's like 4 million. So it's just a lot more competitive. So, and I saw, I got to tell you, this is kind of the opposite of what you're saying, in a way, is that, because I went, one of my favorite people that I've ever seen speak is David Goggins. I went and saw him speak in person, and that guy just blows me away every time. And I mean, I watch videos and stuff, I only seen him in person once, and it was so amazing. It was like it lived up to the hype, like he was so good. And it was all, you know, just off the cuff, because people are coming up with questions, and he's answering their questions. And a lot of his message is that, you know, he can't save you, right? Like you've got to do the work. You've got to do it on your own. And, and one of the, I mean, it was the greatest exit I have ever seen a professional speaker take one of the last questions this guy, because he was his message like, look, you've got to do this. I can't do it for you. And this guy was saying, kind of like saying, well, I need your help, but, you know, but I am, I am really, I am self motivated. I'm motivated. Then David Goggins just goes, you're motivated. Great. Then I did my job. I'm out of here anyway. It was the greatest exit I've ever seen

Tim Shurr: 44:25

that's funny

Chuck Shute: 44:27

him speak or watch videos of him.

Tim Shurr: 44:29

My son shows me videos of him, and he's like, Look at this guy, you know. And so I get it, I understand the the charisma and the appeal and the intensity that this guy has, and the story, you know, to back it up. So one of the things that you can do is make sure that when you're getting them on the show, what's that going to do for them, right? If you lead with that, like when I said less, when I met Les Brown, I went right into how can I help you less and not? How can I help you less? I had a plan for helping him, right? Because most people, when they get a big opportunity. Community, they either start to tell their life story, which you just tune out, if you hear that all the time, right? Or they start asking for things, but they haven't given anything, but they just start asking for everything, right? So you're just asking to be on my show. Be on my show, but what are you going to give them, right? And so, because they could be on anybody's show, and so, you know, you got to show up with a plan. So when I called up Les, I'm like, You know what? Les? I said, You're amazing, and you have been for decades and decades, and most 19 and 20 year olds don't know who you are, and that's a shame. Now I have a way of connecting with their parents and with them to be able to get your voice and your messages to live on well beyond when you've gone on to heaven and and so. And by doing an interview with me, I can help you connect with that younger audience so that we can keep your legacy alive. And he's like, when do you want to do this? Right? So I showed up with a plan of how I was going to add value and what I was going to do. I had to do that for the legend summit too. You know, I had like, 30 of these. Oh, geez, of personal development, and I didn't pay anybody for this. They all came on because they heard their friends were going to be there, and it was during the pandemic anyway, so nobody was doing anything, and they thought it would be fun to just hang out with their friends. And they were so impressed by my roster, right? And so I just kept using more and more of their friends to get more of them on board. I instead. In fact, I feel bad about this, but I turned away. Jack Canfield, can you imagine

Chuck Shute: 46:30

that? Oh, the guy that wrote Chicken Soup for the Soul, yeah, 50

Tim Shurr: 46:34

million copies and, you know, and at the very last minute, he's like, Hey, you think I can get in there? And I had, I had no room. I should have made room and kicked myself out, but can you so? But, um, wow, and now I'm trying to get on his show, so we'll see what happens. But I didn't ask him to get on his show. John Ashura, fast if I could get on his show. So if I'm using my connections, and I'm using my friends, because I do all kinds of stuff for them. So it's not using, but I'm asking because I'm giving, and there's a reason why I want to do it, right? So if you can show up with some kind of way that you can add some value, and you got to get creative, and sometimes you got to talk to other people, and sometimes you're going to use grok or chatgpt to get creative, whatever you got to do, but make sure that when you go to that publicist, it's because you've got an idea that's going to sell more books, it's going to sell more tickets, that's going to sell more of something, and to make it more desirable, so that they they're like, well, I'll go to you instead of the other 4 million podcasts that are out there.

Chuck Shute: 47:37

Yeah, no, I think that's a huge part of it is being strategic and and getting creative, because it's hard to to stand out, I mean, but I do think, like a lot of what you're doing is teaching is a lot of these foundations are very important, and sometimes it's just going back to the basics. Like, you know, maybe I need to develop better habits and just keep going. Because I think that is another thing too, is that I've seen a lot of people's success they say, I mean, a lot of especially like, you know, when I talk a lot of these bands and things like, you know, a lot of people were close to giving up before the big break happened, or whatever, and they went through so many things. Like, I don't know if you're familiar with it. Was it Chase? I think it's Jason Aldean. I had his drummer on, and he was saying how this guy had played drums with, like, reggae bands and Rock Band and all sorts of different music. And it took him, like, you know, several years, and then he found Jason Aldean. He's like, here's my ticket. Like, this is, this is the guy, and then the rest is history. So now he's, you know, but it takes so many, you know, years to get to that point. And so some people, a lot of people, he said he saw friends of his who were better drummers than him. They didn't make it because they quit. They had to go back, you know, they had to get a day job. They had bills to pay. They got married. But he just kept going and and then he got success.

Tim Shurr: 48:56

You don't regret it if you keep going and going. You spend your whole life chasing your dreams, and you shoot for the moon, and you miss. You're still among the stars, right? So you love it. That is,

Chuck Shute: 49:05

that's shoot for the moon. That's my side thing. That's my last name. So, yeah, that's my I live my life by that same

Tim Shurr: 49:12

brilliant right? So you just keep aiming, and you just keep going for it, and you know you don't regret it because of all the experiences you have, all the cool things that you ended up doing. You're not doing the status quo life. You know, you're you're taking the road less traveled, and that's the one that's made all the difference. And so it's exciting. And, you know, I had a client one time that when he was younger, he was at all the LA rock clubs, and he was a photographer, and he was started taking pictures of all the bands when they were really starting out. You know the Ozzie Ozzy Osbournes in the Oh, my, Girls, Girls, Girls, what? Molly crew, thank you. I'm getting old man. I'm forgetting all my hair bands, but, but, uh, but yeah, he, I mean, and he started. Showing me. He just started showing me these, these intimate pictures of everybody. That's a who, who? I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is amazing. He's like, I want to put a book together. I'm like, You should. But, um,

Chuck Shute: 50:11

wait, so who is this? I probably know. I probably heard of them. Is it? I

Tim Shurr: 50:14

can't even remember his name anymore. He was a client, so I couldn't tell you anyway. But, oh yeah, but, um, but any the point of the story was that he said that there was a lot of bands that were way better than Motley Crue, for example, way better. But, you know, this was the band that stayed together. This is the one that kept showing up. This was the one even though they were crazy and reckless. This was the one that was on time for gigs, and this is the one that they ended up going with, you know, even though they weren't as good as everybody else. And a lot of times that's what we do. We look at people and we're like, how come they're famous and I'm not? Yeah, I do

Chuck Shute: 50:52

that all the time. I look at other podcasters and I go, why does this guy have more followers and subscribers than me? I'm better than him. I think that in my head. But they must have done something right.

Tim Shurr: 51:02

Well, something right, or they got lucky, or they're just kept going, or they're just doing something else, and it's time for you to do your something else, because God has a path for you, and you got to figure out what that is. And as you keep going and searching, you're doing the right thing, Chuck, because you're asking, what else can I do? Do not ask, what's wrong with me? You need to throw that out and instead just say, what? What's next? What are their opportunities? If I'm feeling stuck, that's an opportunity. It's going to cause me to reach out to someone else, ask different questions, you know, get some different feedback, hire somebody to help you. The worst thing we do as entrepreneurs is try to figure it all out by ourselves. That's the slowest, most painful way of doing it, right? So find some ways that you can collaborate. We've been sharing ideas back and forth the whole time on what you can do. You just gotta pick one and go for it.

Chuck Shute: 51:48

Yeah, I feel like my show here is kind of on life support, but I don't think it's dead. I'm not quitting, and I'm trying some other I'm gonna try like three ideas right now, and two of them involve this channel directly that would help support it and hopefully bring more eyes on it. So, yeah, I am going to do those things. And, yeah, it's interesting when you talk about, you know, because I think Tony Robbins talks about the rocking chair thing, where he's like, when I'm old, and sitting in the rocking chair, you want to look back and say, and do you have any regrets or whatever? And I think two of the biggest regrets that people have on their deathbeds are either that they work too hard or they didn't spend enough time with the family, right? Is that? Is that accurate? I

Tim Shurr: 52:28

think that's accurate. I think the number one regret people have is that they didn't go for something.

Chuck Shute: 52:35

I didn't go, Yeah, I that was my fear, too. That's why I started this podcast and started doing it, because I wanted to do something that involved the things that I loved, you know, I think that was my, my fear when I was younger, is that, oh, I can never do that. I can never, you know, be in that realm. I can't, I don't, you know, because I couldn't,

Tim Shurr: 52:53

you have, I love you have, you can, yeah, I love music, but I

Chuck Shute: 52:57

couldn't, I couldn't, I didn't have a musical talent, and I was real, you know, I figured that out real quick, but it's weird, because I had posters of these guys on my wall, and now I've interviewed a lot of those people that were on my wall. I mean, that is kind of surreal. So that's got to be worth something, right?

Tim Shurr: 53:13

That is worth everything, that's worth everything, right? That's a huge deal. So, you know, when I'm talking of Les Brown and Brian Tracy and stuff like that. And I say this with all respect, but I'm just sitting here talking to a bunch of old guys, right? They're famous, but they're just old guys. And off record, you've had this experience where you talk to them before you turn on the record button and they say some stuff, and you're like, Whoa. I didn't, I wasn't expecting that out of you. You You know, you peek, you peek under the hood, and you're like, oh, wow, yes. Don't meet your heroes,

Chuck Shute: 53:46

yeah. Or you, yeah, you when you get into this business or whatever, and you start talking to other podcasters, and they've interviewed this person, they've got a story. And then you're like, Yeah, you hear a lot of behind the scenes kind of stuff, and people love that, the gossip and drama, and some of it's interesting, but I'm always looking for the deeper stuff, like, how I become obsessed with, like, how do people make it? How do they become It's like a magic trick to me. I feel like it's just so interesting to figure it

Tim Shurr: 54:15

out for yourself. That's why, you know, we need

Chuck Shute: 54:19

that's interesting. Because I just think, and it's, it's interesting to me also to see the side where you have the people who have such disdain for the successful people like I see a lot of it on on, even on my channel, I will get trolled by people that will say, Oh, you suck it. And then I look and I'm like, okay, this person has like, two subscribers. Why are they? They're trying to give me tips on how to be better. And so it's so I find people just fascinating people, celebrities and successful people, but also everyday people and people at the lowest levels. I mean, you mentioned the homeless earlier, like I find that whole thing. I had a guy on my show, actually, who who does a channel where he interviews homeless people who. And most of them are addicted to fentanyl. And I it's so interesting to see that, and especially if people could come out of that. That's I love. That so inspiring. But I'm so interested by that I would like to solve that problem like that. That's like, eventually, that's what I would like to do with this. The reason for starting all this is to to to make the world a better place, right? Like, if we can figure out how to solve that issue, I think that would, that would be huge, because I see problems like that in the world. I'm like, I know there's solutions for this, but we're not

Tim Shurr: 55:32

so here's the deal, okay, for you, one of the things that you got to do is figure out what you would enjoy next, right? So you wanted to get into music, but you feel like you didn't know how to maybe sing or play that guitar, and so you ended up creating a podcast. You didn't know you were going to do this, but you ended up creating a podcast where you got to hang out with all those amazing people, right? And have all those cool experiences. And you've done that, and you've checked the box, that's amazing. So now you get to explore and say, All right, what would I like to do next? You know? What is it? Because I had to have clients that said, you know, I wanted to play sports, but I was not good at sports, but I ended up becoming a sports broadcaster, or I became a sports agent. And so I'm still in it all the time. I feel like when I go to or I have some guys that are like, You know what? I just I sell hot dogs there, but I'm there and I'm in it every night. And I love people, and I've met this person and that person and everybody else, and so, you know, you think about what would bring you joy? If you wanted to solve some homelessness, or you wanted to find a cure for fentanyl, you've got to then, okay, if that really is going to be what you enjoy, start doing a podcast on that. Do a special series on it, right? Start talking to people that are all in that, and figure out how you might contribute. You might be the person that connects people together and brings the ideas together, brings groups together that aren't talking right now, there's lots of ways where you could end up doing that, directly or indirectly. You just got to figure out what happens, Chuck, is that we get too many ideas. Well, I want to do this, and then I want to do this, and I could do this and that, and then you're not doing anything, because you're all over the place, you know, drill one hole all the way down till you hit oil, instead of having 101 foot holes.

Chuck Shute: 57:09

Yeah, no, that's, that's good. If you're right, you're spot on about that. I am like, I also think sometimes you do need to have multiple things going on, you know, like, Joe Rogan is, like, you said, He's UFC. He does a podcast. He does stand up. He's doing multiple, a lot of those best, the best podcasts that people are doing other things. They're they're comedians, or they're speakers or whatever. You know, there's other things that I'd like to try, like I said, that would support the podcast, because I do think I need to step outside of my comfort zone, try different things and and see how it all goes. But yeah, I do have a lot of lofty goals, I guess, to, you know, things like solving the homeless issue. I feel like that is something that is a solvable problem. I just like to, you know, if I can inspire some people with these kinds of conversations, I hope that this conversation would inspire somebody to make a change in their life, a positive change, like, I don't know there could be something that we said throughout this conversation that hits a nerve with someone,

Tim Shurr: 58:07

absolutely it's hitting nerves, yeah, and it's making a difference, right? Every time you show up and you do this, you're making a difference. And so sometimes we don't know it, but it's absolutely a fact that that's happening and your show is changing lives, and you should feel proud of that. And then you take that and you're like, what else would I like to be proud of before I end up in that rocking chair? And when it comes to comfort zones, remember that they're not always comfortable. They are familiar. Lao Tzu once said that you can't hug the base of the tree. You got to go out on the limb, because that's where the fruit is. And so you know, when you decide you're going to try something new, look at as being exciting and what's possible, instead of what if it doesn't work out? Because that's what shuts everybody down. So let's go find out.

Chuck Shute: 58:52

Yeah, I know for me, one of the things so interesting, because I, like I said, I was a counselor, so I have the degree in psychology, and I, you know, I, I think you had said something similar, that you had some of the part of the reason that you took those classes was kind of more to understand yourself. And I remember taking the psychology classes thinking I would get some answers, and I would learn a lot, and I learned a little bit, but I feel like I've learned so much more, believe it or not, by listening to podcasts and watching videos on YouTube, and listening to people like David Goggins and these people who are at the top of their game speak, and I just think it's so inspiring, and it's made me think in ways that I Oh, I never thought of things like that, and really what it does. And I don't know if this is related to hypnosis or not, but it feels like, I think that we're kind of all brainwashed in a way, whether it's from media that we consume, or our old, you know, counterproductive thoughts. But if you start listening to positive podcasts and things like, there's one podcast I'd highly recommend, called the mindset mentor. It's very simple. It's like 15 minute episodes, and he just really it's very positive and uplifting, but you can listen. The stuff like that, or stuff like, if you just type in motivational speak speeches or compilation on YouTube, and there's like, a bunch of put less Brown and Goggins, and they'll put them back to back and just like, make yourself listen to that over and over and over again, kind of brainwash yourself. You say it works, you start to feel better, and you start to get pumped up, and you want to do stuff. I don't know it works for me. I don't know if that maybe it only works for me, but I feel like it could work for other people too.

Tim Shurr: 1:00:26

It can. And when you're brainwashing, you're washing your brain of the fear and the limiting beliefs and so that you feel fresh and you have a new perspective. And absolutely, listening to that is going to inspire you. It's going to help lift you up. It's going to give you ideas. The best education I got was listening to audio cassette tapes back in the late 80s, early 90s that I got for free from the library. I found this section called self help, and I didn't know what that was, but I knew that I could rent 10 of these audio programs at a time for free. And I was like, This is amazing. And I would just drive around or put them in my Walkman and go walk for hours and listen to all these amazing people that I've now had on, you know, my show or my programs and, and so you know it absolutely is going to give you the secrets for how to live a happier, more fulfilling life and, and now you're a part of that as well with the show and everything that you've contributed through your Podcast. So, you know, that's amazing. Good for you.

Chuck Shute: 1:01:23

Yeah, do you have a program like that? Where is that part of the thing that you do in your coaching, where you recommend a certain audio program where that people can listen to it and it, it'll Hypnose, hypnotize them and and change their thoughts, like, hearing some thought on audio like, repeatedly, like, like, isn't that a family? Is that just like, is that kind of, uh, something that they did in the 80s with the audio tapes? Because, wasn't that a thing? Like, you could listen to self hypnotize, Hypnotize yourself tapes or whatever. Would say, like, I'm, you know, like, what is the guy on SNL, Stuart small, he was like, I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And people like me, like, is that a real thing? You could listen to things like that and just listen to them, repeat it, repeat it, and kind of brainwash yourself to believe

Tim Shurr: 1:02:06

it. It is a real thing. However, if you don't upgrade the deep unconscious beliefs that are in underneath it all, then it's like throwing dirt on top of weeds. So you're throwing all the positive affirmations on top of these deep fears that I'm really not good enough. And then it just makes you feel worse, because you then you just keep thinking, How come it's not working for me, even the hypnosis brainwashing isn't working

Chuck Shute: 1:02:28

either. So you said, and then you said, so to get at those core beliefs, you have to kind of go back in time and figure out where it all started, and then reframe it from there.

Tim Shurr: 1:02:37

Yes, yeah. And then the second step is to release, you know, you got to upgrade the feeling. So you got to bring in forgiveness, and you got to start forgiving the people that hurt you and get the poison out of you. Because when we get hurt, we tend to guard that poison. You know, it's like getting bit by a poisonous snake. The snake bite hurts, for sure, but it's the venom that's left inside that paralyzes us. And people protect their venom. You know, they they protect their anger, their hurt, their self pity, their self righteousness, their, you know, their victimhood, because they think that if they were to get that out, they would get bit again, right? And so they're keeping the pain alive, and they don't even know they're doing it. And so we got to pull the venom out of you and replace it with peace and love and a sense of ease. And when you do those first two sessions, upgrading the beliefs and then the feelings, it's extraordinary, the breakthroughs that people start to have immediately. I witnessed so many, you know, I specialize in freeing people from past trauma. And they're like, You must just, you know, hate your job hearing all these horrible stories for 30 years. And I'm like, that's only the first part. The second part is what happens afterwards, when the second chapter, the second half of the movie, you know, where the where they have the comeback, right, where they replace that with self love and personal power and a sense of peace, and then what they are able to accomplish has been extraordinary. In fact, we got the zero limits movie that's coming out middle of June, actually, the end of June in Sacramento, it hits theaters. Zero limits, based on Joe Vitale book, zero limits. And I'm in that movie and and I give a lot of case studies of people who have completely transformed their lives, you know, by just upgrading those unconscious beliefs. Wow,

Chuck Shute: 1:04:21

that's good. I'll have to look for that. So with 15 or 16,000 people that you've worked with, what do you think the number one reason that things that people don't change, like, what, like you're giving them, the tools you're giving them, the techniques, you're doing all the right things, but they still are resistant or what? What gets in the way? Do you what is the number one reason for people failing to move

Tim Shurr: 1:04:45

forward that rarely happens anymore, because I figured out that once you upgrade the beliefs, if people still get stuck, there's an unconscious conflict in there. At a deeper level, there's another set of opposing beliefs. You know. So one part of me wants to have this, but another part of me wants to have that, and they're going about it in opposite ways, and that's what gets them stuck, right? So I want to lose weight, but I want to eat whatever I want. I want to stop smoking, but I but I need the stress reliever of that, even though smoking causes more stress, you know, but, and so then they've caused this compulsion. When you associate pleasure and pain to the same thing, it creates a compulsion, and then that makes you feel like you gotta have something, and are you gotta do something, and then you're fighting your own brain, and you're gonna lose that battle. And so I found that you've gotta if, if that's happening, you can go and and resolve that unconscious conflict, and then people are finally able to take off. The only time that it that I find that I haven't had much results, is working with somebody with anorexia. So I freed so many young women from bulimia. It's an incredible it should be the number one tool that everybody uses, you know, is hypnosis and hypnotherapy and or my one belief away method. But the anorexia is more what brain wiring, you know that deep, obsessive, compulsive brain wiring issue has been the only thing I've worked with a few people over the years, and it's only been a handful. I'm sure other people do much better at it, but for me, I wasn't able to help overcome the brain wiring part of it, although I've helped people you know, who have had OCD and and and, you know, have struggled with bipolar or depression or all kinds of other challenges. And, and they still, you know, did remarkably well. People with special needs responded incredibly well to to the hypnosis, which I was surprised, because people come to me for everything as a last, last resort. So I've got to try all kinds of stuff with all kinds of people, and it's always amazes me how well it actually works, and how it shocks me that most people aren't using like hypnotherapy as the number one tool for everything, because it goes right to the source of what's going on, instead of cognitive behavioral therapy, which is just messing around with your logical mind when your subconscious mind is calling the shot. So

Chuck Shute: 1:07:01

that makes sense to me, because I've tried that cognitive behavioral stuff, and you're right, it's like, I'm like, Okay, I know my thoughts are illogical. Like, I know this is irrational, but I need to figure out, like, Why? Why do I have this thought that's like, for example, for me, I'll give you one. Like, I have I know, I have an irrational fear of bugs, and it's real, like, I, we had a roach in my bathroom the day, and I, I freaked out. I was, it was irrational. It's a, I mean, it's, it was a big cockroach, but it's a bug I could I'm much bigger than the bug. I should not be afraid of a cockroach that's much smaller than me, but it's just something about it, and I needed some sessions to get to the bottom this, because I don't know where it comes from, but it's irrational. And I don't think the cognitive behavioral stuff, it's not going to work, because I know it's irrational. You know, there's some sort of, sort of something in my past that I don't know. I must have, I must have had some bad experience with a bug that I don't I blocked out, I don't know,

Tim Shurr: 1:07:58

yeah, in a book or a TV show or something else that happened, or when you were really little, and you don't consciously recall it anymore, and that's what happens. And I've helped free people from all kinds of fears of bugs, like that, phobias. One woman was deathly afraid of frogs, and she lived on a farm, and there was frogs everywhere, and she was like not being able to cope and and when we freed her from that, you know, when she was a little girl, she fell face first into a hollowed out tree stump. There was a bunch of frogs in there. And so whenever there was two experiences, one, the shock of it scared her, and then her relatives were all laughing. You know, they see a kid fall and they laugh. But she took it as they were laughing at her. So it it jacked up the emotion, right of now, not only did this happen, but I'm not even safe, and so they're laughing at me. They're not protecting me. And so she had all that, and it became an anchor. It became a button, a frog button, for her. So even the idea of it, push that button, freaked her out, and that's what's happening with you. I remember one time there was a weatherman that freaked out during an episode right live on the news, they brought a tarantula in for the next episode, a big spider and and Jim was terrified. He had a spider phobia, and ran out in the middle of the weather forecast, saw that spider, and just ran out of the studio, and everybody made fun of them. And so I called up the studio, and I'm like, you know, I bet I could get that spider on Jim's arm. And nobody called me back for months. And finally, the producer, one day, called up, and she said, Hey, I got your message. But, you know, she thought I was full of beans, saying that I could get that spider on his arm. And she said, If you could just get him to stand next to it, you know, that would be great. And I'm like, Yeah, that's fine. I'll turn him into a hero, right? And so they did this whole bit on it. Long story short, I got that spider on his arm in 10 minutes. That's so crazy. Yeah, because, and he was, you know, it's very common what people do in their in his mind. In his mind, he watched spider movies. You know, back in the day, in the 50s, there were spiders that were bigger than houses, and he would always imagine a spider jumping on his face. Piece, and it was zoomed in and everything all yuck, yuck, yuck. You do that at some level with a cockroach. And so what we did was, in his mind, we made it small, and then we broke that button, we scrambled it up. It's like having a CD, you know, that you put in and it plays where you take a key and you scratch it all up for us old enough to remember that, and then it doesn't play anymore. Well, that's what we're doing with the programs in your brain. And so we're scrambling that old pattern and then giving him a new way of feeling safe and secure, where now we imagine that that spider was a mom, and it was scared to death of him, and was just trying to get back to its kids and, you know? And so he had a whole different experience. And then I set an anchor in his arm, so during the episode, I'm right next to him. I got a hold of his arm. One, so he doesn't run out, and two, I just kept pushing this button. So it's a new button that made him feel confident, and I anchored that new feeling of confidence. So I'm like hitting him with everything I can, but it worked. Now here's the cool thing that most people don't know, is that he got the spider on his arm. Everybody celebrated Jim's the hero now, okay, so then they go to another segment. I go off stage. I'm standing there the spider Wrangler is, that's what they call this dude. I said, Bring one spider in. So he brings in 10. And he has a whole table of spiders in all these boxes, and one this spider was, like, it was ridiculous, yeah, we don't take him out, you know, like, he must come from the Amazon. I don't even know why he had them, but anyway, and I don't like spiders either, and I had to do all that, so I was anchoring myself at the same time, but, um, but I'm sitting here, I'm staring at all these spiders, and I feel someone over my shoulder, and I look, and it's Jim, you know, the guy that I just helped, and we're both sitting there just staring at this table of spiders together. So not only did the technique work in the moment, but afterwards, Jim and I are sitting here staring at a table of our worst fear, still feeling a sense of ease and a feeling of peace, like we're okay. That's how powerful it is. The biggest fear people have is, is this going to last? Is it going to wear off? Positive affirmations wear off? Upgrading beliefs, does not hmm,

Chuck Shute: 1:12:07

I love it. That's great when you're talking. It makes me think too of sports and sports psychology. Does this? Have you tried this with sports and sports teams? Like, because I feel like a lot of sports, is Psychology. Like, I've seen this so often with especially with teams from my state, Washington State, where I'm originally from, and, like, the Seahawks and stuff. Like, it'll be a game where it's like, they're favored to win, they've got the talent, and they just blow it. They make stupid mistakes. And I know it's psychological.

Tim Shurr: 1:12:40

Yeah, it is, it is, and they'll do it as a team, and then they'll rub off on each other. I haven't worked with teams. I've worked with individuals. And so every level, middle school, high school, Olympians, professionals and, you know, athletes at that level have a different mindset. I mean, they're tough, they're smart, they're driven, but because of that, need to to succeed. They're very difficult on themselves. They put a huge amount of pressure on themselves, especially some of these professionals that are only like 22 years old. Now they're millionaires. Now the whole world's watching them. Now their families depending on them. Now they got relatives coming out of the world. Now, everybody wants something from them, and they're 22 right? And so that pressure is crushing them. And then, you know, and then they get into a slump. They get the gifts. They get it, you know, they start screwing up and and crashing. And then I usually get the call, and then I turn it around for them, and I turn it around with self love and with some simple beliefs that you know, the more fun you have, this more successful you'll be. I get them to start enjoying what they're doing again, instead of getting caught up in all the pressures or worrying that there's a scout in the audience, or whatever it may be that they're going to let themselves down, their team, down, their coaches, down, their parents, down, themselves down, right? And instead, we just start to upgrade those beliefs of, you know, even though they know they're more than enough, they have this fear that, you know, they're not going to be enough, and somehow they're going to let everybody down. And then that, cause I work with a lot of golfers, you know, and then they feel like the shot doesn't go well, and then they get ticked off, and then, you know, they're getting angrier, and then it's showing up in their swing, and then they're getting more angry. And, you know, and so we go in there and we shift it around. It's the same strategies, Chuck, it's always the same. Upgrade the beliefs. Create a new way of responding, associate more pleasure and and take the pressure off, show them how to activate the relaxation response instead of the fight or flight response. Just know when to use what tools at what time.

Chuck Shute: 1:14:47

I think especially with with quarterbacks like, I don't know if you follow football at all, but like, Seahawks just got a new quarterback, Sam darnold, and I followed this guy's career since college, and I mean, he actually had a really good year last. Year, and he was on the Vikings, and I think he was one of the best quarterbacks statistically, and the record was like one of the best records in the NFL. And then at the end of the year, the playoffs, he just, you could tell, he just choked. And I know he needs you. He might need you this year, so maybe we didn't make that happen.

Tim Shurr: 1:15:16

Yeah, everybody needs this stuff, right, not me, but these tools and the techniques, you know, we need self love. We need to learn how to take the pressure off. We need more effective ways. The pop psychology crap that's out there is not cutting it, and that's why everybody's

Chuck Shute: 1:15:31

pop psychology stuff. What do you mean? Oh, you know, just

Tim Shurr: 1:15:35

trying to do vision boards and listen to hypnosis recordings that some AI program made on, you know, social media, you know, walking on fire and punching boards, you know, and thinking that that's going to change anything jumping up and down, it makes you feel fired up in the moment. And as soon as you go back to your environment, you go right back to the same beliefs again. And you know, now, I don't want to take away from that. That's changed a lot of lives. It's changed my lives too. But there's more effective ways, and then, you know, so if you're feeling stressed, you don't want to go home and journal for two hours, you don't want to do downward dog yoga pose and think that that's going to make life all better. It can help. But again, that's not, you know what's cutting it? You gotta upgrade the core, foundational unconscious beliefs you have, not not good enough, I'm not safe. You can't trust people. I'm going to be heard, I'm going to be abandoned, I'm going to be rejected, which comes back to I'm not safe and I'm not good enough, and because of that, I won't be loved, which is ultimately our biggest fear, and so we people have to learn how to learn how to love themselves. Anxiety is a fire alarm that's going off in your brain telling you that something's wrong and you're not going to be able to handle it. And then it starts going off all the time, even when things are going good, and it really messes us up. So we've got to disconnect that we can use our anxiety to prepare us, but not scare us. And everybody's anxious because they don't feel a connection to themselves, they don't feel connected to others, they don't feel good enough, and they feel very lonely. And so we end up trying to figure out, how do I get love? How do I escape these feelings? How do I numb out? And then we go to all the crap in the world that makes it worse, and then this makes the devil smile. And so, you know, we got to get back to loving ourselves and loving Jesus and upgrading our beliefs and loving each other. That is the key to emotional freedom.

Chuck Shute: 1:17:32

Yeah. So for somebody who is at the kind of the bottom right now, whether whether they're homeless and on fentanyl or maybe it's just somebody who is unemployed, and they're just stuck in this depression and anxiety, and they just, they're very, you know, very low right now. How do they what is the first step to climb out of that pit? What would be the first thing that you'd recommend to do

Tim Shurr: 1:17:56

listening to your show

Chuck Shute: 1:18:00

that's great.

Tim Shurr: 1:18:02

Truly, Chuck the that's the best thing you can do, because that's where you have these conversations where you're like, Oh, I never heard of it that way before. Oh, that's a cool idea. Oh, that in i Wow. That one idea, that one insight. You know, I don't love myself. Now, I got to make an admission to how do I love myself? I don't believe in myself. I don't think I'm even worthy. You know, I work with a lot of veterans, you know, a lot of veterans, combat veterans, specifically, who have had to do a lot of evil to combat evil, and then they come back, and then they have to come to terms with that, right? And, you know, or they've seen their buddies blown up, or they've got blown up, and now they have this post traumatic stress. It's not a disorder, it's something that anybody would go through, if you went through the stuff they went through, and I've been able to help them to heal from that lightning fast, instead of going to the VA where they just give you barrels of drugs, and which isn't doing anything except giving side effects and making it worse. So the first thing you do is you listen to a show or something like this, to give you the awareness and the idea that you actually there is hope for you, and there are tools that are more effective, even if you feel like you've tried everything. The second thing you do is you start to ask yourself, what would I have to believe to feel this way? Why do I have to believe to feel that that My life sucks, or there's no hope for me or and it's never going to get better, you know? And you start looking for what those beliefs are. And then, really, the third thing is, you got to connect with somebody else who can help you. There's so many there's so many free services, there's so many coaches out there, because we can't save ourselves, you know, we've got to find somebody who can help us and and so you can do that by going to church, and you can do that by finding counselors, and you can do that by using free services, right? But you've got to take the action. You said that early in this interview. You said, nobody's gonna save you. You got to do the work. No one can do your push ups for you. And you're 100% right, Chuck. And so, you know, you the opportunities are here, especially in this country, and so you've got to take that first action. And in order to take that first action, you got to believe at some level, that you're worthy of it. And I'm. Here to tell you you are no matter what you've been through in your life. And you know, that's just the first part of the story. It's what happens next in your life that makes this, this movie, that you're in, something that has a happy ending.

Chuck Shute: 1:20:17

Well, said, Well, I love it so well that, on that note, I think we should end this. This is a great conversation. So the movie is coming out soon. You've got a book out now, you've got a YouTube channel, anything, and then you've got the website people can do. I think you said group coaching with you, or one on one,

Tim Shurr: 1:20:36

yes, and, and I've also, we'll put it in the show notes. But I've got my secret training vault. I took all my trainings I've done over the last 15 years and put them in one place so you can just kind of go in there and then find what problem you want to solve, whether it's confidence or growing a business, or getting motivated, or whatever it may be, and then, and then you just pick the program, and you go through it, and it gives you lots and lots of free training. So I call it Tim's secret training vault. And you know, if you subscribe to this podcast, then you know, we could give you the free link and the show notes, and you can get access, and that will show you how to use the power of your mind to create your life by design. Just remember, you're one belief away from your next big breakthrough. All

Chuck Shute: 1:21:22

right, I love it. Thank you so much for doing this great stuff. And yeah, put everything in the show notes. Thank you. Okay, bye. Tim,