Perhaps the best way to learn how to make more on Doordash, Uber Eats, Grubhub etc.

In this week's episode, we talk about what may be the best way to learn how to make more on Doordash, Uber Eats, Grubhub and other gig economy platforms.

The answer isn't me giving you all the answers, because let's be honest: I don't have all the answers.

I think the answer may be to bring all of us together into a community where we can share what we have learned with one another. We talk about that more today.

What do you think would be a good feature in a community? Email me and let me know your thoughts!

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So how do you make more money on DoorDash or Uber Eats, Grubhub, Instacart, any of this? It's a good question, but I'm not going to answer that question today. Well, hello, Courier Nation, welcome to the Deliver on your business podcast, where you are the boss. We are all about encouraging you and equipping you to take control of your business as an independent contractor in the gig economy. When you're working with apps like DoorDash, Grubhub, Uber Eats, Instacart, Uber, Lyft and all of these other little guys. It's all about helping you to be the boss. Hey, my friends. You know, one of the cool things about running a website is there's this thing called Google search console, and you can learn all sorts of things about what people are looking for when they come to your website. And I can see all the different things that people have searched for and something that I'm noticing that a ton of people are searching for is how do you make more money on DoorDash? What's the best way to make more on Uber Eats? How can you get more for your delivery work? Now at Entre CARICOM, I think I've been really lucky with Google. There's just a lot of people that are finding the website when they're looking for different things about, especially about DoorDash, Grubhub, Uber Eats and some of those and even surprisingly, sometimes even looking for information about Uber and Lyft and other apps that I don't write about as much. But, you know, when it comes to this quest, that question of how do you make more money on DoorDash? I don't show up well for searches like that. I just did a search right now. How do you make more on DoorDash? Is what I searched for. And in my search, sometimes depending on where you are and the results are different. But I didn't show up until like the fourth page of results and the article that showed up it was an article about DoorDash hiding the tip. So it wasn't even an article about that. And part of the reason that I don't show up well when people are looking for that is I've not really written about that particular topic. My focus has always been kind of more on the business side. I'm not going to do all the I don't tend to do as much of the nuts and bolts. This is how you do this. This is how you do that. There are a lot of resources for that out there, but I tend to focus more on things like, you know, how do you operate as a business? What can you learn from treating it like a business? Because ultimately, what I want to do is give you the tools and just kind of that business mentality and attitude that will help you to figure out how to make more. But here's the thing. You know, even though, like I said, I talk about this website in this podcast are more about the business side of it. The truth is making more money is part of business, right? And so I don't know, maybe at some point, maybe I need to talk about that more specifically, I don't know. But the question is, how do you find out then how to make more, what's the best way to find out how to make more money on? Any of these platforms, because I just told you in the intro, I said, I'm not going to answer that question. But what I do want to do is talk about what I think is maybe the best way to make more. But you know, here are some of the different things that you can do. You can do a Google search. You know, just like what I was talking about, a lot of people are doing that, and I'm going to be honest. I roll my eyes a lot at some of the results that I do find. And that's maybe one of the things that makes me say. Maybe I should write a little more about that. And I don't know. You could ask a Facebook group, you could ask on Reddit and just brace yourself for the toxicity when you do that. That's the thing that I have found on a lot of social media that you get ridiculed for the questions, you get a lot of really stupid answers. Every once in a while you get a gem in there. But man, I tell you what, I just have a harder and harder time with Facebook groups in general. And so, you know, who knows? I mean, that's a place so that you can get some good information. You could pay for, of course, there are some folks that I've seen that offer courses out there and but you know, the thing I'm noticing is that usually I'm seeing courses from people that delivery isn't even their main thing, you know? And so. I don't know. I I've thought about that I I actually put a course out one time that I just kind of did a trial run and I may still do it. I'm not sure that I if I ever do a course that whether I would actually charge for it or whatever, I don't know. But you know, there's some ideas out there. There's a ton of YouTube videos. You ask that question. You'll probably find more stuff on YouTube than you do on the internet, more like blogs or written things like that, because it's like. Everybody who's ever delivered DoorDash that gets themselves on YouTube seems to be up there to tell you how to make more money or something like that and and there are some good stuff out there. There are a few YouTubers that I think really have some good takes out there, and there's a lot of crap out there. There's there's just, I don't know, you get some that kind of ramble more and you get some that. It seems like it's more about getting clicks because more clicks means you can make some money on advertising and then you've got, I don't know, there's just some garbage out there and. And yet once again, it's just like all these others. There are some gems. There are some people that just have some great information out there. You can listen to podcasts. But you know what, I'm still to this day really surprised at how few podcasts there really are. And in fact, I was just on as a guest with Chad on Gig Tube on his podcast, and we were talking about that a little bit. But it just seems like there's really not much out there for gig economy podcasts. And so, you know, it's it's still kind of hard to find some good things and hopefully you get some good information on here. But again, you know, I just admitted I've not really tried to directly answer that particular question. So, you know, hopefully I give you the tools for it. But and once again, maybe I should get into that a little bit more. I don't know, but I don't know. I think that there's some better ways to go and do things. And here's another option. You know, you could have somebody that could coach you, and I'll put a link in the show notes for this. There's Jason Biggs, who is he was a guest on Rideshare Rodeo on Episode 76, which is just a little more than a week ago. As I record this, that he actually goes around the country and coaches people. And so he's he's done some work in that area. And, you know, so that's kind of an intriguing way. But I don't, you know, how easy is it to find a coach or something like that, you know? But here's the thing. All of these different ideas that I just talked about, all these different things, they all involve one thing. It's all about learning from somebody who's done it, learning from somebody else's experiences, learning from other people. Now there's a term out there that's it's in the business world. It's called best practices. And I think it's that learning from others that is the best way to learn how to make more money as a dasher, as an Uber Eats driver, Grubhub driver, Instacart, all these little platforms out there and even Uber and Lyft. I really think the best way to do it, though, it's not just any one of these things, maybe it's a combination of all of those things, but I really think maybe the best way to do it might be just from community. And that's a little bit of what I want to talk about today. You know, I've said this a few times. I said there, Well, maybe I should consider doing some of this, but there's kind of a reason that I haven't. There's been a reason that I've been hesitant to get into that area. And I think the biggest thing is just this understanding that I know that, you know, the things that work for me are not necessarily the things that are going to work for you. You know, my way of doing things is not necessarily the best way it is, I believe the best way for me. It may not be the best way for you. And it I'm understanding that people have completely different approaches. Will be more successful in their own situation because they figured out the best way that works for them. I'm not sure that there is a best way. I think that there are a lot of practices that I've learned from others. I think there's a lot of practices you can learn from others. But you know, there's this point where I just understand I'm not the expert, I'm not the be all end all when it comes to how to do this stuff. And I'm just not that, you know, I'm just not that willing to call myself the master of all of this, you know, make myself the guru or something. I like to put together information and it's not even information. That's for me. It's information that I find from other people. I will share my experiences and things like that, but it's really hard for me to say this is the way that you make more money. But I also know that one of the things that's really helped me is my own background, my own experience in business and and so I figured out and that's why I've had this, this approach that I've had with Entrecourier.com, my website or with this podcast. And it has been, you know what? I could put together a lot of the things that I have learned from running businesses in the past, and I could put together my own experiences. And I could maybe provide some information that could be helpful to you. But where I felt like I could be the most helpful is providing stuff that helps you build a foundation around that whole business because it was that foundation that ultimately was what helped me to do well. And so the fact of the matter is that when we sign up as independent contractors, we sign up to do this service for these companies as a business. And so my approach has been, let's figure out how to do business first. And once you kind of figure that part out, you can apply a lot of that to make yourself a little more successful. So, you know, there's there's a part where I kind of feel like, OK as a whole. What I'm trying to do is to give you the stuff, give you the tools, give you the information where you can become the one to become successful. Sometimes it just needs to be a little bit more than just that information. Now, a lot of the way that I've done this, it really was inspired, I think, from back in my days when I was in telecom and in particular a certain experience or group of experiences that I think really helped me develop an attitude and someone to kind of share a little bit about that experience with you. You know, it was an experience that encouraged me to develop a business attitude, and that was a great thing. But I think I also realize that, you know, just the business attitude itself wasn't just enough. And and I also think that as I think about that experience, there is a greater need for some more practical stuff, but. Two, I think there's a better way to do it than just me sitting here, you know, trying to be that, you know, grew up on the mountain trying to tell you how to do it all. And so, you know, I'll tell you that I guess a little bit about this experience now back in my day, back in the day, my day I'm I'm trying to make my I'm sounding old, aren't I by saying that? And OK, I am old. But anyway, that's beside the point. Back in the day, you know, my dad and my brothers and I had started a telecom company and this little company that we sold telephone systems to small business as we would sell and install the phone systems, do the service on them, you know, then we'd sell some services like long distance. You know, back in that day, that was still a thing. Today, it actually still has. A lot of people don't realize that, but usually it's kind of bundled into things. And I'm going down a rabbit hole. I'm not going to do that. But we were what I would call the E-Myth poster children. The email was a book, and the term stood for entrepreneur myth and the idea. This book is most people who call themselves entrepreneur. It's a myth, and they just think that they are because they're starting a business, right? But they're not really running a business. Essentially, what what you know, kind of the premise is that most people that when they've started a business, all they have done is they've just created another job where now they're the employee of that job. They haven't really started a business. And in the book, we we were what the book would call the technicians were people that were great at doing telecom. We were great at service. We were great at putting things together for people. But we had no clue to how to actually be a business doing it, all we were doing was we were selling and installing and servicing telephone systems and things like that, but we had no clue how to actually operate as a business. And I saw it on myself a lot. You know, I took care of a lot of the sales and I look back and I think, man, I was clueless about that. So here's here's how bad I was at this. I had this idea that the best way to sell a phone system, you know, this is, you know, the telephones and the business telephones and, you know, the voice mail and and some of the automated things that go with it. And I kind of had this idea that the best way to do this was that during the presentation, I'd pull out one of the phones to show them. But then I put the phone on the floor and I'd get up and stand on it. Because my idea was it was all about showing how durable these phones are. And. Who stands on phones? You know, I mean, it's kind of like how many times that goes through somebody's minds when I when I did that, then it's like, Yeah, but who's ever going to stand on these phones, right? So it was those things like that that it was just like, I'm amazed that we actually made it as a business because there were some things we were great at and there were so many things we were clueless about. Now, at the time, we sold one particular manufacturer's product, we sold phone systems made by Panasonic, Panasonic, DBS, Panasonic Digital Business Systems and I I to this day believe that for small, medium business at that time was the best thing that was out there. So, you know, maybe part of why we were able to do something, we were true believers. But you know, everyone's while Panasonic would have these regional dealer meetings or something where they talked about new products, they talked about things that were coming out and they talk about, you know, what's coming up for them. Just just kind of, you know, get everybody together and just, you know, keep us informed and. So the the great thing about those meetings was you had a chance to get to know some of the other Panasonic dealers in our region. And I can remember one of the meetings, you know, one of her favorite guys that we talked with a lot of times when we get together, we get to be pretty good friends and stuff. And he had just joined this dealer trade group. So I was a little bit intrigued and so I found out about it. I, you know, kind of asked him a little bit kind of picked his mind, said, Well, what do you like about it and everything? And so I thought, I'm going to look into this a little bit. And I talked to somebody that was part of that group then that he was kind of like their, I guess, their sales rep or whatever and his name was. Rick and Rick was a great guy, but you know, and he was good at what he did. But he invited me out. He said, Hey, we're having a training. We're having they have part of what they did was a lot of different training programs. So I said, we're having a sales training its members only, but I'd love to have you come out if he can come out to Pittsburgh and see this. And I, you know, I want to check into this, you know, as a company, we didn't have the budget at the time. We didn't have this. It wasn't like, OK, now we can throw several hundred dollars out at going out to visit something like this that, you know, no one was really sure you wanted to pay for because it was kind of expensive to be part of this group. But I don't know. I just I felt like there was something that I knew that there was something we were missing as a company, and I thought maybe this was something that could help us out. So I was able to just kind of get a couple of days off and I had some airline miles of my own available. And so I jumped out on a plane and I ended up saying, like at a Motel six that was within walking distance. Now, back then, I was young enough that walking distance is a lot further than what I think, what walking distance is today. But you know, I'm staying in a Motel six and they're having this meeting at a Marriott. And but, you know, did it on the cheap and. It was to me, I think, one of the most life-changing things that I had ever done because it made. What it did was it it helped me. It was the beginning of. My developing, I guess, kind of a business attitude and thinking in terms of running a business rather than just doing whatever it is that you do in a business. And I think that, you know, we ended up joining that group. Our company became members of this group and. And there is a lot from that experience that has shaped a lot of things for me, just going down the line, it made a difference in my career. Later on, it made a difference and I think it makes a huge difference even in kind of how I do things now. There were some things that I learned way back then that really the inspiration between me starting this website and in my approach to this podcast and things like that. But here's the thing was with this group was that, you know, it was a trade group for other dealers, but a lot of times, you know, you think of trade groups and it's you think about, OK, they're trying to lobby the government or something about how to do things for your organization or your industry or, you know, marketing for the industry or different things like that. You know, you look at, you know, what is it that the beef association that that runs all the ads beef, it's what's for dinner? This wasn't that at all. This was. A group. That allowed the business owners within the industry to share ideas and information among one another. This was a way. It really it was a community, but it was it was this professional organization that. Helped us learn from one another, and especially they focused on, you know, what I mentioned before was best practices. We focused on what's the best way to do things, what's the best way to handle certain things? But more than anything, what is the best way to work on our business rather than just in our business? What's the best way to actually build a business as opposed to playing business, you know? And it really was. It was. It was such a different approach and mindset for us. And it really drives a lot of the way I look at things today. You know that the thing about it was it was it was kind of cool because you could have, you know, a company in San Diego that had a real. Solid approach to how they sold their systems and how they approach their customers, and you could learn from that. You know, and then this company in Illinois was great at recurring revenue and, you know, in some of their different programs that they could do where it was a regular pay coming in as opposed to just making your money whenever you sold the phone system. And then, you know, we could learn from this company over Maryland that. Was just fantastic at, you know, not only tracking how much money they made based on each of their technicians out there, but also about how they could become even more efficient with the time that they're paying for it. They were just so many things that you could learn from. And we would get together once or twice a year. But the biggest part of it all was we developed, developed these relationships with dealers around the country. We weren't competing with one another. So, you know, here we are, this little company in Lincoln, Nebraska, and we're trying to find out, Hey, how do you? Compete against this particular company, and you could actually talk to the Toshiba dealer in another community and just find out some things about how their systems work and stuff like that. And so it was just, you know, there were a lot of things where we could learn from one another. But the biggest one was we learned these best, these best practices. And it was actually through the trainings and through the things as being part of this group that I got introduced to the E-Myth book, and that's the one that talked about, you know, working on your business, not in your business, and you learn how important it was to develop the business side of what you're doing. And we had trainings for financial staff. We had trainings for service, but it was it wasn't about how to do the service itself. It was about how to structure your service department and how to set things up so that you could be the most responsive for your customers and you know more about efficiency than other things like that. It was huge for me because like, you know, and still, I mean, I talked about standing on the phone, but I could learn why that wasn't such a great technique because, you know, I had a reason for doing that because back in those days, a lot of phone systems were really crappy and the equipment was fragile. I mean, it was like, you drop your phone one time and you're at 200 bucks because you got to replace that phone. And and so I knew that that was a problem. I knew that durability actually was an issue that no, no, I knew that people weren't going to be standing on the phones, but I knew that durability wasn't an issue. But what I didn't understand was that. Yeah, but our customers could care less about that. They weren't thinking about that. I think, you know, somehow we managed to pull it off and sometimes it made a difference when I did that. But it was more like a luck of the draw, because I'm selling to somebody who just happened to have had to pay for a lot of replaced phones and stuff like that. So a phone system was really kind of an expensive, ongoing thing. Back in those days, so to me, it made sense to do that, but what I didn't know to do was to look through the eyes of the customer. And and that was something that I learned, you know, that it was what was more important wasn't what I thought was important. It wasn't the things that I thought the customer should be thinking about, what I had to pay attention to was what was the customer wanting, what did the customer need? Why is the customer getting ready to spend $10000 for a phone system? For a 10 to 12 person office, you know, why, why would they even be willing to spend that much money? It seems kind of ridiculous, right? And but once I could understand what it is they were looking for, then I could kind of approach things to help answer those questions. And so it was just that kind of thing that you just when you started learning from other people. And you know, that's something that probably should have been common sense to understand that when you're doing sales, right? But that wasn't me. I didn't understand that stuff. But it was huge to be part of this group because you could start talking to other people and they'd say, Yeah, this is why I do this. This is why I approach it this way. And. And so you started to learn how to run a business, and we started to learn how to think. And look at things through the eyes of the customer rather than through our own eyes. And it was just. In my mind, one of the most important decisions we could have made was to be part of this because then we could learn how to be a business. Rather than just go out there and do it. But here is the crazy thing about this trade group that we are part of. We never talked about phones, you know? We never talked about how to do service as far as the service itself. We never talked about, you know, the features in the phone systems or things like that because the idea was everybody was out there with their own stuff that, yeah, I think there was kind of this understanding that, OK, you understand the stuff that you're selling. We understand the stuff we're selling. And what these guys in San Diego were selling wasn't necessarily the same thing we were selling in Lincoln, Nebraska. Different things work for different people. But what we learned was how to run a business so that, you know, we learned this foundation that we could build our business on. And here is the thing was we really didn't talk about how to make more money. We talked about how to build a business, and once we learned how to build that business, we were in a better position to make more money. And. You know, I think there was just something so influential about being part of that. And in about the lessons that I learned from a lot of different people in there that, you know, to me was more valuable than, you know, going to school, going to college or something like that. Maybe some of that education wouldn't have would have helped. You know, I didn't. It wasn't like I had an MBA or anything like that. But I could learn from other people and see what was working in other places and then apply it to what we were doing. And that was just so huge. And I think it was that lesson in there that really influenced a lot of the approach that I've taken with Entre Courier and with this podcast because I've focused, I really feel like the most important thing that I can give you is that, you know, some of that business understanding some of that business approach, the business attitude. And you know, my first thirty one episodes of this podcast, I called the master the MBA, Courier, MBA, Master your business attitude because I really felt like I could give you more by giving you that. And that gives you kind of a foundation that gives you some of the tools that gives you some of the attitude that then you could find ways to grow. And. But there's a piece where sometimes I think, is that enough? And just, you know, as I started this whole thing, you know, how many times I say, maybe I should put something up there, maybe I should talk a little bit more about how maybe I should get more into the practical. But I think there's a point because of this experience, too that I wonder, is that the best way to do it? Maybe there's a better way to do it. And I look at this group that we are part of, and I think why couldn't we do that here? Why couldn't we do that in delivery? I know there's a there's a lot of difference, probably between these people, you know, operating telecommunication companies and gig economy delivery contractors, right? But here's the thing. You know, again, the point that I always try and drive home, you're running a business you may not think you are. You may not feel like you are, but you are running a business. And and I think that there are so many things about business that really apply, and I really believe that maybe having a sense a community like this could do something for us. Also. And I think maybe the better answer is, instead of me trying to be the one, be the guru to provide all the answers is what about if we could develop a better sense, a community where we can provide the answers for one another? You know that we can find the things because the thing is, I could tell you, I, I, I feel like I've done very well with delivery. But. I've done really well in Denver, Colorado, which is where I'm located right now and. But what about the areas where you know, there are some places where I'm pretty sure the customers don't tip nearly as well or as often as they do here in Denver, Denver seems to be one of the better places for tipping. So, of course, it's a little easier to do well in a place like this. So how would I do in some of those places? What about in smaller communities where you don't have as many options? I could talk about delivering downtown Denver. But I can tell you that I've been downtown Chicago, and that's a totally different kind of place. It's not nearly as easy to try and drive around and park and do stuff there. So you got to have a different approach to be successful there or, you know, midtown Manhattan. You know, so there are markets that are much bigger and there are markets that are much smaller. And I can't tell you how to do things in those markets because I've not done those markets and I but what I can. But there are other people that have, you know, and so is it better for me to try and tell you how to do things? Or is it better to build a community where we can all learn from one another and some of the things that that I've learned and been able to do? Well, you can learn from. But somebody else is maybe in a more similar situation and they might be able to help you a little bit more. But I think that this this this type of thing is kind of what's missing right now and what I'm doing here, and it's that, you know, providing maybe a little bit more practical help. But I feel like the next great thing that we could do is not so much me try and tell you how to do a lot of these things. But instead, we just kind of built a community where we can all learn from one another, how to do stuff, we can all learn from one another's experiences and ideas and different things like that. You know, can we provide an opportunity that that just lets us get together, share our ideas, our thoughts, our successes, our wins, our encouragements? So that's what I'm I want to explore that idea. And so and it's something that I want to hear from you. This is something I've said this numerous times I want to hear from, but this is what I really, really, really want to hear from you about, you know, because what do you think? You know what? What would you look for if you know, if you were to find something like that, you know? And. You know, there were a lot of times that I've come close to starting a Facebook group. At first it was like, Oh no, no way. Oh hell, no, I'm not doing that because I've just seen how toxic so many of those groups have gotten. And I don't I don't want to go there. I don't want to open up something like that to become what? All these other Facebook groups that I've seen for delivery drivers have become, you know, it's just a nasty place in a lot of things like that. It's like you can't ask a question without being slammed by people left and right. But that said, I've been in some Facebook groups that have been really awesome. You know, I used to think maybe it was impossible to do, but I've been in a couple of groups related to, you know, things about operating my website that have nothing to do with delivery. But it's more about, you know, internet publishing and different stuff like that. And. Oh, my gosh, this is night and day the difference. You know, these groups are usually related to something. This is kind of a very hyper focused group. And I suppose part of it is a very clear that this is only about this stuff and typically people in those groups that I'm in that tend to be very positive. They stay on point and I love those groups for that reason. There's not that toxicity. So I don't know. Maybe it's possible to do something if you do it right on Facebook, but I don't know. You know, there are pieces where part of it is. I'm concerned about, you know, moderating. I I just I put more and more time into content these days. And so if I'm going to have to start trying to moderate a group or, you know, moderate the moderators or whatever, I all of a sudden they may not leave a whole lot of time for doing deliveries. So I don't know about that. And the other part of it is with so many of these groups that it's like, I don't know how many times when I've gone into the group itself and I've scrolled through it that it's like, Oh man, I missed this one. For some reason, Facebook didn't pop this up into my feed, and it was something that was really helpful. And you know, how many times, though, do you actually go into an actual group to scroll through it or something? And so, yeah, the other thing worth doing stuff on certain social media platforms is it seems like there's more distractions. You know, one Facebook only wants to give you what they want to give you and two. There's so many other things popping up, too, and so I'm not sure about that and I. But at the same time, I don't know, you know, if I go to something else. How many people are willing to go to something that isn't Facebook. So I don't know. I'm thinking about options, I'm thinking about ideas. I'm thinking about whether or not it's actually feasible for for my time and everything to go ahead and do this thing. But, you know, it's just that that's what I want to talk about today is just kind of some of these thoughts. It's like, how can we build a community? How can we do something where we can share more information that it's not just me trying to be the guy up on the mountain, you know? You know, with the big long beard, arms folded or something like that and telling you how to do delivery. I don't want to be that guy, and I'm not that guy. But I do think that we can learn from each other. And so I'm trying to figure out some different ideas for that. And this is where I'd love to hear from you. You know, I want to build a place that is positive that, you know, for one thing, and if I have anything to say about how we're going to do it, you know, for one thing, it is not a place to be bashing DoorDash, Grubhub, Uber Eats. We can talk about the issues related to them, but it's not. Just something to complain about these companies as much as it is, OK, this is the issue, how do we overcome these issues? You know, I don't want there to be a place to bash the customers that order from these places, that the idea of it is I want to build something where we can get together and say, how can we be successful? In spite of the fact that DoorDash just dropped their minimum pay? Or in spite of the fact that customers aren't tipping that often or different things like that? I want to say I want it to be a place where, you know, people aren't at each other's throats. I want it to be a place where put downs and bullying are not tolerated, not just by me, but by the group. I wanted to be a place that is about addressing the ideas. And not. Making judgments about the people that have the ideas. And maybe that can be a place where we can get together and, you know, we can have life to get togethers. I'd love to have a place where we could just do some more direct Q&A sessions, you know, might. The thing about a podcast and the thing about blog posts is, is this all one way communication? Where can we get something where there's more give and take, where there's Q&A sessions? Can we do live webinars? You know, how many times would it be helpful just to get together? We can get an actual tax professional on with us as a group and people can ask questions. And you know, how can we do webinars on, you know, just the business side of things? Or how can you do webinars on, you know, what's going on in the industry or different things like that, all sorts of stuff like that. Somewhere where we could, you know, learn from one another. Can we do something like a book club? I'm part of a group that are part of a membership community where they've got a book club. And so each month they go through a certain book that helps people through, you know, and generally their books about business or something like that. But you know, we could we could talk about books and, you know, find things that would actually help us build as business people, that the books that have ideas that we can apply to what we do. And we can kind of work through those and that that provides some accountability. Can we have an accountability section where we talk about our goals and then we celebrate when we reach those goals? And if we didn't reach those goals, how can we, you know, does it? Does it help to talk with one another about, OK, what could we have done that would help us with that? I thought about, OK, maybe I could do something where I could provide some exclusive content. But you know, the funny thing is I've heard from other content creators that that have built-in membership communities and you know, you always hear about like Patriot groups for certain content creators that, OK, you get this extra exclusive content. And what they find is sometimes they'll get a little bit of extra, you know, people joining for that. But ultimately, when it's all said and done, people are finding out that that exclusive content really didn't mean as much. And maybe it would. I don't know. But. I think a lot of times the thing that I've got to understand myself as a content creator, as a blogger, as a podcaster is, you know, and this is one of the lessons that that I've learned from back in this telecom group that I was a part of. That is, you know, as a business person, it's not about me. It's about everybody else. And so, you know, it's exclusive content going to help you more or is it more shared ideas from the community? You know, is that going to help you more? Can we set up sections in the group where, you know, instead of just one long running feed or something like you see in a Facebook group where we can have a maybe it's more like forums, we have a section where we can talk about things specific to DoorDash and things specific to Uber Eats and a section that talks about some of the up and coming or the smaller platforms. And something that talks about tax questions and another section that talks about, you know, other business things. And maybe something like that could be a little more helpful because then you can kind of pick and choose the things that really matter to you. And you know, can we create a group where you develop? I think the term a lot of places will use as masterminds, but the idea is where you could develop a smaller group that just talks about, OK, what works for you? And so you kind of have your little private group within the group, all sorts of different things that you could do with this. But ultimately, what I want, what I've got in mind and I'd love to see happen is can we build something where it's almost more like a professional association? It is where we can learn best practices from one another. We can learn the things that work well for from each other. We can learn the problems to avoid from one another. And ultimately, because we're learning from one another, we're able to make more. And I really do think that community is probably the best way to learn how to make more from a delivery business, from our delivery business in the gig economy. And what can we learn then about where we can go next from this? You know, it's all that kind of stuff that I just think I don't know. I see maybe a possible value in it. But the question is, what do you think? What would you love to see in a community, do you think a community like that would appeal to you? I would love to hear from you. I'm willing to put it together. I'm willing to kind of get it all set up and everything that I want to provide a place. But I want to find the kind of thing that says, Yeah, I want that and I want to know, what is it that that makes that type of thing appealing to you? Or does it even seem appealing to you? I don't know. And you know what? If it helps enough people, then it's worth doing. But you know, I'm going to put a poll up and it'll be a place where you can you can leave ideas, you can leave thoughts and you can visit the show page that that's linked in the show notes for for this episode for a season two, episode seven. And you can leave your thoughts in the comments. Or you could email me. Email podcast@entrecourier.com. Send me a tweet on Twitter. If you're on Twitter, you can follow me on Twitter at EntreCourier and send a tweet. Make sure to tag me. And it's just Entre Courier on Twitter. Or, you know, and I'll put a page to also at entrecourier.com/nation. Well, just call it that EntreCourier.com/nation. Any of those places? Let me know your thoughts. Let me know what you would love to see any ideas that you've got, any feedback you've got. If you think it's a stupid idea, let me know that as well, because I'd love to get your ideas on that. You know, what would you think about being part of an independent delivery professionals group? Here's the thing I know I know that you've got a lot to offer. I know that there are people that can learn from you. Your experience means something. Your ideas mean something. The things that you do well mean something to somebody else and the things that you struggle that. Means something to somebody else because they can learn from those struggles as well as you can, you know? And I also know that there are people out there that can help you with your particular situation better than I can. Because they're in situations that more closely relate to what you're doing. And so that's the idea is can we bring everybody together so that you can find those people that can help you out, that you can find those people that you can help out? And ultimately, you know, the idea is, let's make this. I don't want it to be so much about me. Make it more about you. Make it more about what's going to help you and where can we find it? And if I'm able to provide that information awesome, and if somebody else is able to provide that information, well, we've got that because we're all part of a community. That's kind of what I'm trying to get to. And it's like right now, it's just OK, this is what I'm thinking of. I'd love to get your thoughts. I'd love to get your feedback. I'm begging you for your thoughts and your feedback about this one because I really think that this could be, you know, the next best thing that we could do to help one another out. And so let me know what you think. Ultimately, what I would love to see is just finding ways to equip and encourage you to take control and to be the boss.