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The 0.5 Second Decision That Makes Listeners Hit Play (or Not)

Courtney Elmer | PodLaunchHQ.com Episode 411

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Whatever problem your podcast solves, it’s competing against every other show that promises to help listeners solve it. 

I’m breaking down the 4 signs listeners are overlooking your podcast and the split-second decision that determines whether a new listener clicks play or picks another show to listen to. I’ll also share the five Podcast Content Gatekeepers® listeners judge before they ever hear your voice, why great content still gets ignored, and what to change so listeners stop scrolling past your show. Hit play and let’s dive in.

2:04 – The 4 Signs Listeners Are Overlooking Your Podcast Right Now

6:20 – Why Publishing Every Week Still Isn’t Growing Your Podcast

7:12 – The 0.5 Second Decision That Gets Listeners to Choose Your Show

9:03 – The 5 Podcast Content Gatekeepers Every New Listener Judges First

11:46 – The Competitor Analysis Exercise That Reveals Your Podcast’s Differentiator

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Let's take a look at the four signs that listeners are overlooking your podcast right now. And the one thing that you need to do to fix it. Because if you are experiencing any one or more of these four problems, then I guarantee you that listeners are choosing other shows to listen to over yours. And I know that that might hurt to hear with all the time and energy and love and heart that you are putting into your podcast. So we're going to talk about why this happens and most importantly what you can do about it so that the listeners out there right now who are looking for content like yours, who are in desperate need of help from someone just like you, can not only find your show, but can also decide to click play. Welcome to Insider's Secrets to a Top 100 podcast. I'm your host, Courtney Elmer. Let's make your podcast binge-worthy. I've worked with hundreds of podcasters through the years, and in that time, it has become very clear that there are four signs that indicate that listeners could be overlooking your podcast, that your podcast is not getting the attention that you and I both know that it deserves. And we're gonna break down what each of these are, why they happen, and what you can do to fix it so that your podcast can get noticed by the listeners who need your help. But before we get there, I've got to thank our sponsor, Resonate Recordings, who is the only strategy first podcast production agency that not just edits and produces your show and gets that editing work off of your plate, but who actually helps you build the personalized podcast marketing strategy that you need to grow it. This show is also brought to you by the Pod Launch Accelerator that we have just opened up access to exclusively through Resonate so that more creators can get their hands on the strategy that they need to build a top podcast. So more info on both of these is in the show notes below. And if you are here and you're listening for the very first time ever, big welcome to you. I'm so excited that you're here. I know that you have a lot of options when it comes to choosing a podcast to listen to. And it means a lot to me that you're spending some of your time here today. And speaking of choosing a podcast to listen to, this is exactly what I'm gonna help you do inside of this episode to identify whether your podcast is getting overlooked right now and to get more listeners choosing your podcast instead of your competition. So let's break down what these four signs are. And I want you to just sit

The 4 Signs Listeners Are Overlooking Your Podcast Right Now

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here and take this in and notice if any of this sounds familiar. All right. Number one, you publish at least one new podcast episode every week without fail. And you have done so for months or maybe even years now. Maybe you've missed a week here or there, but for the most part, you have been incredibly consistent, and yet you are still getting less than 500 downloads per episode, despite doing literally everything that the experts say that you need to do to grow your show. Number two, people tell you they love your podcast. You get comments from people, maybe a random DM here and there. Maybe someone walks up to you at an event and says, Oh my gosh, you're podcast, you that podcast. Oh, I love your podcast. Yeah, it's great. But the feedback is mostly generic and no one has actually left a review on your show in the last 30 days. Number three, you check your analytics dashboard every single week. You log into your hosting provider like Clockwork, you publish those episodes, you look at your downloads, and you still haven't seen a significant increase in those downloads or in those listens in the last three months or more. Number four, even though you know that the content that you share in your episodes is highly valuable, as in people should be paying you for this, only one or two listeners have ever reached out asking how to work with you. You're giving calls to action in your episode, whether that's to join your email list or maybe promote an affiliate thing or a sponsor thing or your own thing, but you're not seeing those click-throughs. You're not seeing those conversions. And if for any one or more of these, you're nodding your head and you're like, um, yeah, Courtney, this is me, then you've probably also been told that podcasting is a long game and oh, pat you on the shoulder. You just need to stay consistent. Give it more time, hang in there. But have you ever taken a step back to ask yourself why it's not working? Because there's a reason why. And it is so important that we normalize this. Because if you are experiencing any one or more of these four things, it's a sign that your podcast is not getting the attention that you and I both know that you deserve, especially for all the effort and the intent and the heart that you're putting into it. And it is so normal to feel embarrassed that you're only getting X amount of downloads per episode. So many podcast hosts, and many people are like, okay, I'm gonna tell you how many downloads I'm getting, but you know, like, don't share this publicly anywhere. It's like, I'm only getting 50 downloads per episode. And then you get 100 and you're like, oh my gosh, great, it's growing, but it's only a hundred. And then maybe you get to 200, and you're like, okay, great, I'm seeing some growth, but I'm only getting 200 downloads an episode. 300, only 300. Like this continues on for the life of your podcast. It never ceases to amaze me that when I'm talking to a host and they're like, I'm only getting this amount of downloads, is this idea or this belief that I should be getting more. I should be getting more. And this reminds me of this image, and you maybe have seen this on the internet, of a room filled with that many people. And it's like, yeah, yeah, we all know the age old. Imagine if that number were that many people in a room, kind of thing, but the visual of it is super powerful. I'll see if I can find it to put in the show notes or just Google it. Room with 50 people, room with 100 people, room with 500 people, you know, and eventually it's like a stadium filled with people. And when I talk to podcasters, they literally look me in the eye and they tell me, Courtney, I don't know what I'm missing. The industry says, keep podcasting, give it time, don't quit. And yeah, that's true. Podcasting is a long game. It does take time for that compounding effect to kick in. But it's also true that you can be as consistent as you want to be. But if you're consistently doing the wrong things, the wrong activity, you're not gonna get the result that you want. Think of it like this: if you have a goal to build lean muscle and you go to the gym every day and you hydrate and you get your sleep, and yet you eat a bowl of ice cream every night. Despite what my eight-year-old would lead you to believe, no, that is not gonna be the best choice for your body. And yes, it's gonna take you a lot longer to get the result you want if you reach that at all. And I'm exaggerating this a little bit here, but the same thing happens in podcasting, where most hosts are consistently taking the wrong action, thinking they're doing the right thing, then wondering why it's not working and giving up less than a year in. So if that's you, I've got good news for you. This is fixable. It's a hundred percent fixable. But right now, the other podcasts that are getting chosen, that are getting selected by listeners, ooh, I want to listen to that, they likely have something that you don't. And it's something that here internally, when we work with a client, we call it your podcast's core differentiator. This is how you communicate to a listener who's never heard of you why they should choose your show. Because that decision to click play on your show happens before they hear a single episode. If they don't have a recommendation from a friend and they don't know you, they've just stumbled across you in search or in the charts, or they found your podcast online through a web search or Chat GPT recommended it, they don't know who you

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are. And that new listener is subconsciously asking, is this for me? And if you don't convince them of that, and the 0.5 second first impression that your show makes when they encounter it for the first time, they're not gonna hit play. And yes, that is a real number. In real life, when we're meeting someone for the first time, it takes about seven seconds to do that vibe check, that first impression, about seven seconds. Online, it's 0.5 seconds. And so all that work that you're doing to create really great, really helpful episodes is gonna get overlooked if you don't get this right. And most of the hosts that I've worked with through the years, they believe their show is different. I call this the expert bias. You know your work so well that of course it seems different and unique compared to what others are offering out there. And you feel like if people just realize that, then there would be no question that you are the best one to teach what you teach. But communicating the depth of your knowledge in 0.5 seconds

The 0.5 Second Decision That Gets Listeners to Choose Your Show

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without speaking a single word is incredibly tough to do. It is possible, but it is not easy. It takes time to distill that message. And it takes you being crystal clear not just on who you want to reach, but on what specific problems that you're solving for that person. Because there are five steps that the listener is gonna go through in their journey before they decide whether to click play. We call these your podcast content gatekeepers, and they literally do that. They gatekeep your amazing content, those episodes, all that stuff that you've put into your episodes, they stand in the way of that listener and those episodes because it is what a listener has to experience before they decide whether to click play on your content. And there's five of them. I'm gonna walk you through them in the order that a new listener encounters them for the first time. It is your cover art and your podcast name. Those are the first two. And if those earn their attention, if those communicate that you are different from all the other podcasts like yours, then they'll click. And when you earn that click, they're gonna skim the first two lines of your podcast description. And then they might swipe their thumb once to see your recent episode titles. If those two things convince them, yes, this is for me, that's when you'll earn that second click. They'll pick an episode that they're interested in and they will click. It might not be the most recent episode, it might be an episode that aired a month ago or two months ago, but it might be something that grabbed their attention because it was specific and it spoke to a specific problem that they have. And then when they click in, there's still one more click they have to make, and that's the click to hit play. But that's not going to happen until they skim your show notes and maybe those chapter markers and see, yeah, okay, this episode seems to have the content that I'm interested in. And then they'll give your show a chance. Then they'll hear your voice for the first time. And if you start your show with a minute and 30 seconds of pre-programmed ads, don't expect them to stay. But that's a rant for a different day. All right, because to a listener who is deciding whether they should listen to this sports podcast or that sports podcast or this weight loss podcast or that weight loss podcast

The 5 Podcast Content Gatekeepers® Every New Listener Judges First

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or this parenting podcast or that parenting podcast, not to mention the dozens of other similar shows competing for their attention. The only question that you need to be asking yourself right now is how am I going to guarantee that they pick me? It's kind of like going to a steak restaurant. You open the menu and there's a New York strip, there's a ribeye, there's a fillet, there's a hanger steak. It's all steak, it's all part of the cow. And in that instance, you're likely going to base your choice off of previous context, what you know you like or what you're in the mood for. But here in this scenario, listeners have a menu, but they don't have context. They do not have a previous choice that they are basing their choice to pick your show on out of the menu of options available to them. But I'll tell you what they do have. They have a problem. They have a very real problem that you have the opportunity to help them solve vis-a-vis your podcast when you know how to position your show the right way. And if you and I were to sit down and have a conversation, you would probably tell me you're not podcasting for kicks and giggles. Like it can be fun to podcast, but you're not doing this for fun. You're doing it because you have a message to share, or you want to grow your brand, or you want a sustainable way to create content and get your ideas out into the world, or maybe all of the above. And by that same token, most listeners aren't listening for fun. True crime is its own category. And sure, podcasts can be fun to listen to, but most listeners are listening for a specific reason. And in most cases, it's to learn something new and to be inspired. So take a weight loss podcast. You got Suzy Q over here, she's teaching keto, she's got 2,000 five-star reviews and she's top 1% on listen notes. And you teach keto, but your approach is totally different than Suzy Q. And you know your clients get better results because you've seen her client testimonials on her website and they're good, but yours are better. And you want to share what you teach with people so more people can benefit from it. This is the hard truth that you need to hear. It doesn't matter if your approach is different. It matters if your listener understands how your approach is different and how it helps them solve their problem. How does it help them solve this problem faster, better, more effectively? The only thing that matters is if your listeners can see that credibility come through in the 0.5 seconds, that they are subconsciously evaluating what they see of your show before they hit play. And even more importantly than having a core differentiator is knowing how to communicate that differentiator and where to communicate that differentiator so that your listeners can understand why you're different. It's not the listeners who already love your podcast that we're trying to convince here. They know you, they love you, they know you're gonna deliver value. They gave you a chance and you won their hearts. It's the potential listeners who've never heard of you. Those are the hearts we need to win next. So if you want to give yourself the best chance of succeeding in podcasting, you got to get clear on what makes you different and learn how to communicate that in a way that listeners care about. It is a tall order, yes, but my hope is to be able to teach you how to do that a little bit better in every single episode of this podcast so that your show can become the one that listeners choose from their menu every time, hands down, no questions asked, that it's the one that they recommend to their friends.

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It's the one they turn to because they trust you. But before you can begin to communicate this to your listener, why you're different, how you help solve these problems, you have to know number one, what are the problems that you're solving in the first place and get really specific on what those problems are. And number two, you have to show your listener that you know what those problems are and that you understand them. We do a four-step competitor analysis for our clients. When we're working with a client, we survey, this is prior to them launching their podcast, or if they're rebranding and relaunching, we do this work first to survey the other shows in their category, the other quote unquote available options to a listener and find the angles in that category that are underutilized. The blue ocean, the gaps in the market. And while there are four steps in this process, I want to give you one of them that you can use today and get started in thinking about your podcast and seeing your show through the eyes of your listener, seeing it through the lens of your listener and how your listener might be looking at your show right now. So, step one is simply this: looking in your category, whether that be marketing or arts and culture or how-to or whatever it may be, find the shows that are most like yours. And then ask yourself a few questions and spend some time with this. What do you notice most podcasts in your niche do the same way? What topics are they talking about or perspectives or styles that you are also talking about? And on the flip side, what topics or perspectives or styles are underrepresented? What are listeners not getting from existing shows? Whether that be through the format, through the delivery, through the content, through the topics, what are they not getting that they need in order to solve this problem that you help them solve? And what are you bringing to the table that your competitors aren't? This is really important. This is not something that you spend 10 minutes on and like find the answer and boom, check the box, move on. I want you to spend some time with this. Survey your competition, listen to their episodes, study them to find the angles or the gaps that you can lean into to make sure that your show is undeniably distinct. I have a friend of mine in the industry, really good at what he does in terms of branding and PR and marketing. And he always says, better is not better. Different is better. And in today's day and age, whether it's marketing, whether it's content, podcasting for sure, the landscape is getting more and more crowded and it's going to be more and more competitive. This is not getting any easier. And so different is always gonna win. And it's not different in that, like, oh, I'm talking about like it's weird and out there or anything. No, it's different in that it's clear, it's showing your listener why you versus someone else. So the next step from here, when you spend some time surveying your competition, again, remember there's four steps to this process, but this is the first one that's gonna get you moving in the right direction. This is gonna help you define your core differentiator. And then the next step from there is learning how to articulate that through your five podcast content gatekeepers. And if you want some help to do that, then head to the show notes, find that link where it says book a call with our implementation partner, Resonate Recordings, and schedule that podcast strategy call. We'd love to work with you to build a show that truly stands out and that your listeners can't get enough of. And then stay right where you are because coming up in the next episode, we're doing another round of rapid fire QA where we literally take your listener questions and I give you as direct an answer as I can on as many of them as possible in 20 minutes or less, so that you can get the answers you need to see measurable growth for your show. That's all coming up next to help you make your podcast binge worthy.