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Ep. 63-Rick Sapio:Total Life Fulfillment (Even During A Pandemic)

October 01, 2020 Jason Wasser, LMFT Season 1 Episode 63
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Ep. 63-Rick Sapio:Total Life Fulfillment (Even During A Pandemic)
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You Winning Life
Ep. 63-Rick Sapio:Total Life Fulfillment (Even During A Pandemic)
Oct 01, 2020 Season 1 Episode 63
Jason Wasser, LMFT

Rick Sapio is one of my personal mentors who has drastically changed my life that past few years through my participation as a student and now as a Certified Coach in his Business Finishing School program. First featured in Episode 14, Rick is back to discuss how you can have total life fulfillment, even during a pandemic.

Founder and CEO of Mutual Capital Alliance, Inc., a financial holding company, Rick has made more than 100 investments in other companies. His life's purpose is to inspire entrepreneurship, which led him to start Business Finishing School (“BFS”).

We discuss how you can change your mindset to become more fulfilled and on purpose, even during a pandemic and a global crisis.

Learn more about how you can bring more Simplicity, Probability and Leverage to your business and life by attending Business Finishing School's Growth Summit and joining the curriculum based program:
http://bit.ly/Bfsgrowth

Check out his book Who's In Your Room:
https://amzn.to/37j8Cda

Jason Wasser, LMFT is a Licensed Therapist and Certified Coach and works with entrepreneurs and young professionals online. He can be found on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/youwinninglife



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Show Notes Transcript

Rick Sapio is one of my personal mentors who has drastically changed my life that past few years through my participation as a student and now as a Certified Coach in his Business Finishing School program. First featured in Episode 14, Rick is back to discuss how you can have total life fulfillment, even during a pandemic.

Founder and CEO of Mutual Capital Alliance, Inc., a financial holding company, Rick has made more than 100 investments in other companies. His life's purpose is to inspire entrepreneurship, which led him to start Business Finishing School (“BFS”).

We discuss how you can change your mindset to become more fulfilled and on purpose, even during a pandemic and a global crisis.

Learn more about how you can bring more Simplicity, Probability and Leverage to your business and life by attending Business Finishing School's Growth Summit and joining the curriculum based program:
http://bit.ly/Bfsgrowth

Check out his book Who's In Your Room:
https://amzn.to/37j8Cda

Jason Wasser, LMFT is a Licensed Therapist and Certified Coach and works with entrepreneurs and young professionals online. He can be found on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/youwinninglife



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Brain Sensing Headbands That Improve Your Meditation

Business Finishing School
Empowering successful companies & families to maximize results.

Wasser's Furniture
Highlighting what's great about buying your furniture from a brick and mortar family business!

Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.
Intro:

This is the you winning life podcast, your number one source for mastering a positive existence. Each episode we'll be interviewing exceptional people, giving you empowering insights and guiding you to extraordinary outcomes. Learn from specialists in the worlds of integrative and natural wellness, spirituality, psychology, and entrepreneurship. So you too can be winning life . Now here's your host, licensed marriage and family therapist, certified neuro emotional technique practitioner and certified entrepreneur coach Jason Watts .

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

Hey everybody. Welcome back to the winning life podcast. Today's guest has already been featured in episode 14. He is Rick Sapio, the founder and CEO of mutual capital Alliance. He is also the founder of business finishing school, which you have heard me talk about at multiple points in previous podcasts. And not only is he my mentor, but he's also the person who certified me as a business and entrepreneurial coach to his program. He's already been featured on episode 14, where we talked about creating a life filled with purpose and values. So Rick Sapio thank you so much for joining us today. And I know there's so much been going on in the world that we want to get into. And first off the bat, what has been the top thing that you have been noticing that you've been focusing, that you've been seeing from your perspective as an entrepreneur, as a business owner, as a person that's most , um , in your eyes at the moment.

Rick Sapio:

I would say a bifurcation is happening in massive bifurcation and this bifurcation has always been around. You can go back to Roman times and see , uh, as an Italian citizen, I could see and , uh, what happened over there because I studied the history of it, but there was 400 Coliseum that the peak of the Roman empire, 400 coliseums and those coliseums address, this bifurcation that's happening in the world. And what they did was that people that just want it to exist and, you know, watch the blood. And God's inside of Coliseum . They got up in the morning and they went there and they did that. And the people who wanted to make things happen in the world, which is a very small percentage of people. Those are the people that were making things happen while everybody else was sleeping. So the bifurcation is this. There are people right now that I am talking to her, absolutely positively blood lastingly taking action, massive action. They're tiny percentage. And everybody else has binge watching. Netflix caught up in social media, trying to figure out, you know, is what is happening. A lie is a true. And as far as I'm concerned, who gives a damn like it doesn't matter. All I want to do is try to influence people to be on this side of that equation, zoom out in your life. What is your purpose? What are your, what objectives do you want to choose? And when you look back on your life in 30 years, you're saying that time was a critical time for me, because that is when I made shit happen.

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

So the distractions that we all have do you feel like right now, this is massively amplified like times a hundred X times a thousand X.

Rick Sapio:

Well, it's amplified for sure for the wrong people. And some people are waking up to that amplification and saying, wait a minute, this isn't life. So I just have to tell you a quick story. Uh , I'm in Dallas, Texas. And when this all happened, I said to my wife and kids, we're going to live life normally, which is going to live life. Normally we're going to have the teachers come to the house, the piano teacher, the karate teacher, the Italian teacher, the chess teacher. Uh, and we're just going to have a normal life. We're going to have our friends over that are likeminded, et cetera . And , uh, this is now June. We visited some friends. We hadn't seen in three months and their house was dark. It was like the head , uh , blocked all sunlight coming in. And it was one o'clock in the afternoon on a Sunday. And the whole house was sleeping. This is a family of three young kids. And the mother came out, she looked like she gained about 40 pounds. And she said to me, Rick, what are you doing out? I said, what do you mean? What am I doing out? It's Sunday, it's one, you know, one o'clock in the afternoon. She said, we're all sleeping. And so , uh, she said they have not left the house as March 2nd. And my kids wanted to cry because these were their former friends and the juxtaposition of us living completely, normally in every way. And this family down the street completely holed up, gaining weight, no sunlight, getting in playing video games all the time. We don't have a single video game in our home, so our kids have been normal. So my point is that is a metaphor for life. Are you, the type of person is going to make things happen despite circumstances, or are you the type of person that's going to get completely Embrel and enrolled in the circumstances and destroy your opportunity of living life? I mean, to me, it's just simple, but you know, that's an answer that you have to come up with for yourself.

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

So if someone is more predisposed to playing on one side of the coin, right? So we can use that as right as a binary way of perceiving it, right? Like you said, bifurcated, right there, there are people who are like you, who already had a lifestyle in play. You already had , um, rhythms and rituals in your life that your family has committed to. And right , that you not only have committed with your family, but with your wife, but with your business. Right. That's, what's one of the things that you're known for is these rhythms and rituals. Is now the time for people to get that clear about how they can do that. Even though there's all this chaos going on around them. But how do we get rid of the...That's part one of that question. But part two really is that mentality mindset of there are risks outside where we have to acknowledge that there are scary things happening in the world right now. And we do have to protect to whatever level that we feel, We have to protect ourselves and the people we love. So where is like, how do we change that mindset of yes, I'm going to do whatever I can do to be safe, right? Safety is number one, but we also have to do self care and financial self care family, self care relationships, self care, like where does that mindset, where that aligns all of those things and how does somebody get there?

Rick Sapio:

Yep . So let's first address what's going on in the world. We , we , um, since the beginning of time we've had rampant racism as a horrible thing. There's no question that it exists. And there's no question that it's horrible. Check that box. There's no question that there's a tremendous amount of financial uncertainty in the world. That's checked that box. There's no question that there's a tremendous amount of political uncertainty and there's a pandemic. So check all those boxes. Now let me ask all of your question , um, who in the audience has control over any of those four things who's controlling the narrative, who's controlling the outcomes, nobody. So you have to first accept that there are things that you cannot control and once you get comfortable, wow. You know what? He's right. I can't control any of that. The only thing I can control is my reaction to that. And so my reaction to that is I have very strict rhythms and rituals in my life. I haven't missed a workout since the pandemic started. So there's a lot of people that are doing online, free workouts. There's gyms that are now open there's coaches that are willing to commit to your health. So that's one thing. There's time with your children. I have an hour a week with no electronics with my kids. Once a week, I have four children. So , uh , there's things that I do in my business every single day. And one of those things is a podcast like this once a week. So I appreciate the invite, Jason and I have a tremendous amount of respect for you and what you're doing and the message that you're trying to propagate in the world. So it starts with being willing to acknowledge the things that may be affecting your brain, that you can not control and stop it. You gotta send them the stop it video, Jason , uh,

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

Or the new heart famous about new hearts as a psychiatrist video, right?

Rick Sapio:

We live in a world and this is not part of what we talked about, but I told you this was going to be a different answer. We live in a world where people are chasing or chasing happiness and happiness is a moment to moment to moment decision. I will be happy if I eat that quarter of ice cream, I'll be happy if I could binge watching Netflix, I'll be happy getting in a political debate about something I can't control, but happiness is bullshit. Bullshit. So I was told yesterday, don't curse, bullshit. Its An actual thing, it's Brown. It looks like this comes out of a bowl. So I apologize if I offended you by the word bullshit, but here's the bottom line. Happiness is fleeting. Let me describe for all of your listeners, the difference between happiness and fulfillment. Fulfillment comes when you do something really, really hard. I hate getting up at 5:00 AM to work out. I hate it. I hate it, but I feel fulfilled at the age of 57 to be able to beat my kids in a running race and lift more weights than them and hold my breath on the water longer than them, which they learned this weekend. That is not my ego at all. That is fulfillment from the hatred of getting up at five in the morning and working up. When you're married for 50 years, you are extremely fulfilled. And I asked my mentor, Reinhold. I said, Reinhold , you've been married 50 years. What's it been like? He says, it's been hell at times, but I am completely fulfilled. So fulfillment is something you earn . So let me ask you, Jason, what has more staying power and would give you more happiness. I hate using that word fulfillment after an arduous task was completed over time or this momentary happiness.

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

Well , I completely agree with you a hundred percent. And it's funny enough that my perspective going from being a therapist to being part of your community and as you know, my story where I never saw myself as an entrepreneur, as a therapist, right? I was a therapist who was like, you know, I mean, healer , I'm involved in people's emotional wellbeing, but seeing your perspective over the last couple years and , and our community's perspective is fulfillment comes from purpose. Fulfillment comes from commitment. Fulfillment comes from mastery of ourselves and that the emotion, right? No one is all happy. So the goal to be happy should not be a goal because no one is always angry. No, one's always frustrated. No one's ever , uh , you know , resentful all the time. It's a momentary experience based on something that has happened. So I completely now,

Rick Sapio:

Yeah, I have to just share some , because you said it best, first of all, that was so eloquent what you said. Uh, I think you need to somehow package that into what you do for people. Uh , it is impossible. My mentor, David [inaudible] said this to me, he said, it's impossible to be angry and grateful at the same time. So the next time you're having a fight with your spouse or your best friend or your business partner, while you're fighting with them, say, what am I grateful for? And the upset vanishes. So I just wanted to point that out.

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

Okay . And , and I , and I think that's a big component of what's going on right now, where the beauty, I think that I've seen, right. And I live in South Florida and Hollywood is at the beginning of this isolation , uh, social descendings period, period. I have never seen more people in my neighborhood out and walking and riding their bike. And I live in a suburban area. It's very quiet. It's very peaceful. But the exponential number of people that were there was beautiful. And I'm like, why isn't this normal day to day life? And I want people to like, have this idea of like, yeah, so we were forced into the scenario, but if you're not going from that place of gratitude, look what I can do now because of it. If I, if I'm not taking this opportunity to becoming a better person in a relationship, a better parent, if that's part of your life, right. A better human being, a better business owner, a better philanthropist, a better, whatever it may be. Then I think that's the gratitude piece of being forced into this period that we're missing. And I know that this word has been overused a lot during this timeframe, which is how are you pivoting? Right. And I know that with the digital technology, thank God we have that way. We really can't bash using digital technology to one of your rewrite. One of your three core values is simplicity, probability and leverage that we've been able to leverage technology to make all of our businesses who are in this type of world to be able to run within 24 hours. I pivoted from a full private practice in person to fully online, the gratitude that I have for the technology, the gratitude I have for my clients, gratitude I have for my community of people, including you and my friends is that like, there's still connection that are happening. And I want to realize like with everything going on in the world between the pandemic and the political fighting, that that's about losing connection to others, we're separating ourselves from others. And one of the things that I was so shocked to learn about my false police that I had about being successful as a business person or the world entrepreneur, I don't know if I ever shared this story with you. Like, no , I'm a scholarship kid. And , um, everything was paid for middle school. I mean, from high school on for different programs. Cause my family was struggling at that point with the divorce that I had, this view of people who had money, especially the kids who had money as a whole , because that was the way it was in South Florida. They have these expensive cars. They weren't always the nicest people. They weren't always, you know, Philly , you know, philanthropists are giving charity, but they were doing it very selfishly. So I grew up with this belief that money equals you're going to become a bad person. And it wasn't until my first weekend with you and the business finishing school community where that shattered and , and that profound change and shift that has allowed me to grow as a human being where I now see that entrepreneurship is a psychological self growth self development platform that needs to be utilized. Otherwise we're missing a huge component of our life .

Rick Sapio:

You're talking about , um , something I did want to touch on. I do want to touch on your questions too, but it's time horizon. Here's the problem. We talked about bifurcation, which no one's really expecting. Uh, but where , where are you going to be in that , uh, in that bifurcation, you're going to be the Netflix been binge watching, you know, social media freak, or are you going to do what we're about to talk about, which is beyond this side of bifurcation, but time horizon, two words. Everybody wants life now. And that is a complete mind. I don't know , in other words, but mine Def , because what , what , uh , I love a quote that I heard a long time ago. People underestimate what they can do in 10 years and overestimate what they can do in one year. So here's the thing. I would like everybody to write this down. Why am I here? Not why am I on this voice mail or not voicemail , voice recording, podcasts, whatever. Why am I here? What will you put on this earth for? And then I want you to zoom out to a date. So we're going to go to the, the year 2030 in the year, 2030, if we were looking back on today, what did I accomplish? That was aligned with my purpose. And so for me, my purpose is to inspire entrepreneurship in everything I do, including this podcast is inspiring you to be an entrepreneur. An entrepreneur to me, is anyone, anybody that chooses to take responsibility for outcomes and another word for responsibility. I've been using this with my four kids is self governance, self government. This is a better way because responsibility is what does that really mean? Well, self-governance means you govern every moment of your time. Okay? So now you've got your purpose. You've got your really big objectives that are aligned with your purpose in 10 years. And that's the only thing that should matter. Jason, all this other shit. I have never once in my life, not one time logged into Netflix. I think Netflix is a great business model. I am either. Here's another bifurcation folks. You are either generating and creating where you are consuming. And unfortunately, America was founded on people that were generating and creating, and it's evolved to a society that's consuming. What are we consuming? Information podcasts, right? Netflix, social media books. And it's great for a small fraction of your life, but the self-governance is moving you to this side. I'm only going to do this for an hour a day. This creating, I'm going to write books, I'm going to create podcasts. I'm going to create businesses. I'm going to create a values based decision making lifestyle. I'm going to create a life based on the three values I heard Jason just talked about, which is the values of my life and everything I try to get done in the world. Cause some things I try to get down the world don't happen. Failure is a big part of my life. Um, and those are using the values of simplicity, probability and leverage. How do you simplify everything you're doing in your life? I'm going to talk about one of your questions. Uh, how does one stabilize the financial life? I'm going to give you the simplest way to do that. So simplicity as a value for your business and personal life probability do things that have a high probability of occurring to make decisions that increase the probability that you'll make that outcome. I see people doing very low, stupid probability things. Hey, we're going to partner with Facebook and we're going to build this thing out and like, wait, you're gonna partner with Facebook. How long is that going to take? Well , we're going to have a few meetings and make it happen. That's a very low probability. And then leverage, leverage to me means not financial leverage, but everything you do, Jason and listeners is leveraged off of an existing talent, an existing piece of infrastructure, existing piece of technology or an existing relationships already there. So yesterday I'm on the phone with this guy and he's trying to raise, believe it or not a billion dollars on this idea. We had this long list of banks that he's talking to and he's been working on it for two years. And I said, Steve, you're trying to raise a billion dollars through a bank. What are the odds of that happening? It's like, well, I'll eventually find one. And I say, when you find one, what's the due diligence process going to be, like he said a few months, it's a two years minimum. So you're not going to get any capital for three years. Why don't we think of 10 people in the world right now that are already in this industry that have already funded similar ideas that have already gone through the brain damage, due diligence in this type of product. And in 45 minutes, we had 10 names call me this morning and said, I've already made contact with one and they're interested. It's just changing the brain. So , uh , how does one create stability in their financial life? I'm going to just tell you straight stop taking all financial risks , cut all on necessary expenses and start saving your money in the bank. And what, what, why, why am I suggesting that? Because there's so much stress around the volatility of money, take a few months and just put your money in the bank. And when you see your money growing, it gives you a satisfaction and a feeling of serenity and a feeling of , uh , financial security. Me and my business partner with a company I've been involved with for over 10 years, which we've renamed the hundred year saving solution. It's a hundred year, one, zero, zero a year, Y E a R savings.com. That company, what we advocate for people is save your money until you have enough money to pay all your bills for six months. And when you have that, it's like, wow, forget about paying down your debt. That's not what I'm saying. If your debt stayed the same, but you had enough money to pay all your bills for six months, that move right there. It gives you so much confidence and so much financial security. So that's the answer to the question. How does one create stability in their financial life right now, having the ability to know that no matter what happens, I'm safe. Okay. Here's what people do, Jason, which is just bugs. The crap out of me. They're told to pay off their debt. Paying off debt is incredibly important, but I personally would rather have a hundred thousand dollars in debt and $200,000 in savings rather than as I'm trying to pay off my debt. My savings goes to zero each time. So focus on the savings part, whatever six months is of all your bills, let's say it's 75 grand saved 75001st, then start thinking about paying debt. So that's my answer to that question.

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

And is there a way to do it where it doesn't necessarily? Cause let's say someone isn't able to make 75 a year and put away or put away 75, but whatever that number is, is there a kind of like a, an equation number of like, obviously people say, listen, if you can move everything of your debt into a 0%, 12 month credit card or leverage what's out there to minimize that. So is there is the APRs, there is the financing fees. There is all of that. And one of the things is as you know, like the average person, we're not taught how to be savvy when it comes to money. And then we have that old debate, which is, you know, banks versus , um, life, whole term life insurance that will pay you out at a much higher percent down the road or who to trust, who not to trust this, this, this community , uh , puts down this financial community, this financial community makes it right where crystal clear. Yeah .

Rick Sapio:

So the way I teach about finance is I use very old school, universal principles. I don't do anything new. Um , as you can tell by my phone, I don't do anything new. Someone said to me yesterday, but you have a smartphone, right? Morgan, rest her soul. Now she's still very much alive. She's like, I'm not calling you anymore. Uber's so I do own a smartphone that I got relatively recently that I just don't use. So don't try to ping me. There has zero apps and I use it for Uber. Um, but here's the thing. When it comes to making money, you have to think about the longterm . And that's why we call it the a hundred year saving solution. So from my perspective, putting money in a mutually owned hundred year old life insurance company, this company has been around. You know , it went through the great depression. It went through world war two, world war one, two , probably one of the companies went even went through the civil war, all of this stuff, every pandemic, blah, blah, blah. Uh , and you're getting 3% tax free or tax advantage on your money. To me, that makes a lot of sense. So the way I like to layer it is have six months of cash. Then start thinking about a life insurance policy. That's with a massive company, that's been around a hundred years that pays the best rate, a tax free , and then start investing in markets and real estate and all that crap that is not in most people's view of life. It's not simplicity probability and leverage saving money in the bank is simple six months putting money in our whole life insurance policy. That's gonna pay you 3% tax free or tax advantage , uh , is simple. And what that does everyone is it gives you the freedom to go make money and not worry about it. You know, this happened to me recently, I was at lunch with a guy and the whole time he's doing this on his phone and I go, what are you doing? He goes, I'm looking at the market. I took his phone and I said, how much did this cost you? And he said, $800. Why I threw it? And it landed in the water. I thought it was going to kill me. And then I pulled out my checkbook and gave him a check for $800. And I said, it is making me sick, watching you destroy your life by trying to do something that isn't what I've been teaching you, purpose, longterm objectives. So when you look back values, what are your failures to make decisions from six months of savings, then you start saving in a whole life insurance policy. That's mutually owned. So you get dividends, very few insurance companies, by the way.

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

Yeah .

Rick Sapio:

Yeah . I'm not going to give you any , uh , I was on this show, crisis investing and it's funny. It was the most popular episode. I was the only one out of 30 people that didn't give crisis investing tips because they're all full of crap.

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

Right? Cause you're being reactive in those moments. You're not playing the long game, the proactive, the game plan, which very much makes sense. And it messes with, cause there's already a bias belief about that, that you have to act in a crisis manner. You have to be triaged. And what I think that I've always learned from you is that when you think about the long games, right, you know, that I've become an ardent follower of values based decision making and I've taken it . And I've adopted that work. You know, that mindset and applied it to two different aspects in communities and working with teenagers and my clients. And it's actually one of the things that I do with every single client that I do is say, in order for me to be able to help you therapeutically, I need to know what your core values are. So I can be in alignment with your lens of what you want to get out of your life. And of course, most people say like , Oh, I know what they are. But then when they write them down, it's very different than what they thought. And the second thing is this , this newer approach that you've been sharing with us has been this a hundred year philosophy where the other night , um , I gave a class on Sunday night. I give a class every week to a bunch of singles on relationships and dating and psychology and boundaries. And we talked about when you're looking for a partner, obviously they've already heard me talk about values based decision making for relationship. But I challenged them to think that like the goal of people in relationships of what we know is to what it is to get engaged or to get married. But I actually had them broaden their thinking and say, no, I want you to think about going into this dating process because everybody in the room was single about what is it going to be like for your grandchildren? And to go much bigger than that, right? Are you, is this person going to be, not just the person you want to be with now, but do they have the shame, the same values? They have the same culture. They have the same beliefs that have the same motivation and mindset. That will be the legacy and the co inspire co motivator, the co right, whatever it may be to inspire that legacy. I remember you were telling , um, and I can't, I can't remember the name of the person, but you said that there was someone who was , uh , who was a slave who became a free man, who is , who was , um, did a funding with the two different, but there was something about the two different bank endowments that , can you tell that story? Cause it's, I can't remember the name of the person I was when I wanted to ask you since it's still relevant. What's going on.

Rick Sapio:

Yeah. So you gave me a list of questions. I'm going to answer 10 of them. Uh , with this before we get to , uh, the slave who became a free man. So first I'm going to talk about one of the things we teach. Uh , we created this in like 2000. We started teaching it in 2008 and then it became a module in business finishing school. You could see it in business, finishing school.com. It's a paid program. Um, but business finishing school is really about life too, but we call it the battleship principle and the battleship principle is no matter what happens if you treat your life and everything that you have as if you're a battleship, what is a battleship prepared for anything? Most people are a dinghy in the middle of the ocean and they're like, I never expected a storm to come. Really. If you never expected a storm to come, your crazy and a storm will come, there'll be divorce and bankruptcy and pandemics. And the market will crash and banks will go out of business and death and everything that will happen to you,

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

Unrest on a particular on whatever topic,

Rick Sapio:

You know, I know it'll happen to you because it's happened to me and it's happened to every other human being that's ever lived in the world. So since we already know it's going to happen, you have to treat your life like a battleship. So the battleship principle is it doesn't matter what happens. That's why, when I looked at your questions, I'm like, these are all reactive and I can give people tips, but that's not who I am. So everything that I teach in business, finishing school and inside the a hundred year savings solution.com, by the way, both of those points to the same website is stability, values based decision making. You end up with a life of fulfillment. So that's the answer to that question. Uh , you asked another question, but I was so focused on that one. Uh , let me just summarize it this way. If I were to give you a , I died and I bequeath to you, I don't even know if that's the right word you inherited. Uh , and you've seen me talk, talk about the MIG on stage . Uh, you, you got a 1930 Duesenberg , uh , convertible, which is worth 4 million bucks. It's a car , uh , without who you are, everybody would do the same thing. They find the best humidity controlled garage to put the Duesenberg in . Cause it's 4 million bucks, right? They find the best mechanics, the best cleaners they'd make sure that no one touched it. They treat it sacred, sacred Lee . You're worth far more than that. As a human being on this earth, treat yourself. Sacredly what are you putting in your body? What toxic relationships do you have around you? What toxic things are you doing with your time? Like pornography and binge-watching and social media. It's not healthy. That's factually true. If you spend your time on that crap, you're going to be the type of person that is consuming. What I read. I don't know if this is a fact, Jason, you can correct me. 4 billion pills a month are consumed by Americans for mental disorders, 4 billion. Why is that? It's because people are spending their time on toxic shit instead of fulfilling stuff. So , uh, that's, I'm not here to preach at all. If you like anything I'm saying use it. If you don't like it, turn off the fricking podcast. But the reality is if you truly want fulfillment, the answer lies in what we've been talking about.

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

Well, and everything that I, as a therapist, especially now that I'm working with a lot of entrepreneurs and family businesses is making decisions on all parts of life, from their values, right? So as you saw me sitting here and drinking my coffee, the coffee I'm now buying is only from a company that's fair trade, organic rainforest Alliance, certified supports , um, women, businesses supports against domestic violence and education, right? There's it aligns with my core values. So it's a company that I've now chosen to invest in for the same price that I would get a bag of Starbucks coffee. I can spend the same 12 bucks and get this company that I know is going, you know, Starbucks has a lot of social value stuff, but it goes above and beyond. Whereas we're like, well, if I can put $12 here and patrol dollars there, this one more aligns with that. And the other side of what you were saying, I think when it comes to the , the, the week we talked about who's in your room, right? It doesn't mean that your book, one of the shifts that I've had radically since you and I have been in a relationship business and professionally , uh , friendly is my business got completely cleaned up because one of the questions I now ask my clients, especially piggybacking off the pills on the medication question is I'm a mind , body , integrative wellness based therapist. And my question to my clients are,

Rick Sapio:

I love that. That is an awesome title. Don't change that I know you've been fumbling around what the best one is. That is the best. Did you hear that everyone mind, body

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

Integrative wellness based therapist?

Rick Sapio:

I love it. That's so cool. I will only work

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

With people who are ready, willing, and able to move away from a medication model to work more on into integration of nutrition , uh , of removing the toxicities from their life, both emotional toxicities, as well as chemical toxicities , uh , right. Food and environmental, and you know , the stuff around them in their and laundry detergent, stuff like that, as well as move to a more supplement based, you know, with the right professionals, with getting people in front of experts, where that as opposed to having to rely on now, if there's life or death medication, different ballgame, but the average person, which I call the worried, well, the persons like me and you who are going through general life stuff, are the people that my practice has made of the worried, well, should not have to rely on pills. There are people who, yes, we need medication that's right, and necessity for life and whatever, maybe. But the average worried well human being, which has majority of us can have a life where exercise and diet and the, and , and , and getting healthy people in their life will make a radical difference in that. And again, going back to everything of simplicity of rate , the theme of your book with dr. Meisner and , um, and, and the other gentlemen , um , is , uh,

Rick Sapio:

Here's the thing, and we'll touch on the subject. And then we'll start to wrap up because I don't want to lose your audience. Uh , people have such short attention spans. Uh , there was a study done that I saw that was done by a very prominent group that said that they compared all these pills for depression and everything against diet and exercise, diet, and exercise one every time, every time now we're talking about the well people. So you take someone that's 30 pounds overweight that doesn't exercise and doesn't eat, right. And you shift them to a motivated lifestyle where they're getting up in the morning, working out, maybe praying or meditating, going over their values, eating things that help their body, this person, the same person that was here is now here, much better life experience. And , uh,

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

Well , you were going through that yourself over the last year, right? You committed for the last year and change to a game plan of working out with a trainer, changing her diet, right? And , and those of us who have seen, we've seen the , the amazing transition and you were already a motivated person, right? That's like what I want to impress upon people that like even highly motivated, highly successful people still have to kick it up another notch. And then another notch where we might be a few years behind that, but we still have the same possible potential. And that's why, like, I think what makes our community so beautiful is that we get to buy the leverage is by being around people who are at different places in our lives, but all committed to the same values and the same growth we're going to have that inspiration and that motivation ingrained

Rick Sapio:

Yup . A hundred percent. And here's a funny thing in preparation for this podcast, I didn't want to do it live. And the reason I wanted to do it live was because I am not talking about the topic that everybody wants to about. Now, I'm going to give you an opportunity to say what you want to get your message out, Jason, in conjunction with what we're talking about in a way that says what it is and what it is is total life fulfillment. Despite the pandemic, that could be a good title. So it's not about what's the latest and greatest tip. It's not about, you know, what should I buy gold or silver or Bitcoin zooming out 50,000 feet and looking at your life from the universal perspective, from God's perspective, from whatever perspective you want me to appear. And that is just in my view, I am not preachy at all. I never talk about success either. I just, I'm not one of those guys. You'll never see me with a nice car or any of that crap I am about helping people have more total life fulfillment. That's it?

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

Yeah. So I know that we did mention that story that , um , I'm enamored with. So if you can take two minutes to just tell that about, about the free man. Um, that's because, cause I think one, it's very relative to what we're going on in the world right now. But two , I think that very much speaks to your 10,000 foot view as well as the longitude of legacy. Yeah .

Rick Sapio:

And Jason, what you and I are fighting again, is time horizon. So if you've got a really short timeframe, this isn't going to resonate with you, but for the people that want total life fulfillment , um, this will, so I met this guy about five years ago, he's eight . He was about 80 at the time. And he said, my great grandfather was a slave. And so he was born in 1930, the guy that I'm mentioning I'm 1930 ish. And his great grandfather was born in 1945 ish. So do the math , um, I'm sorry, 1845. And he was freed after the civil war. He was a slave that was not educated at all. And he said to himself, once he was free with no, he couldn't read, couldn't write, but he had a dream of what would it be like if none of my offspring ancestors, none of them had to deal with what I dealt with. And he realized that had he been educated and focused on education because he had a member of his family that was focused on education that did enable what wasn't able to move to the North and became successful as a black man. And he decided to create this document, a living, breathing document, almost like a constitution that said, if you're in my family, you get a college degree and you're very careful who you marry. So there's no divorce and you're a family person. And so he had 300 offspring , uh , from this one guy, this person that couldn't read or couldn't write this document, generated 300 offspring that got a cause degree and were for life. And that's a legacy. And I know that there's a lot of , uh, strife going on with , uh, you know, racism and inequality and all of those things that many of us have experienced, but not to the degree that the African American community has. And my heart goes out to them. But if all of them white, black, green, if we all decided to create this legacy document for ourselves and for our ancestors, I think that would do more to cure and heal than anything else. And we really cool this guy, he's African American, for sure. And him and I were hugging , uh, when he showed this to me , I said, this is incredible. This is incredible. This could do more. He goes, I know. And I know where he sits on what's happening in the world. He's like, look, everybody just needs to do this.

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

And one of the ways that people can start doing this, especially while being at home is your family placemat . That's the best way to do it, right? You have your family core values, you have our goals. We have what we do as a family. All these things are so important. And if you want a simple document, it's family, placemat.com . I believe the website is, and we'll put it in the show notes, but it's , and there's a template there.

Rick Sapio:

I want to tell you, so this is mine. And the thing that makes this so unique, I know you can't read it, but the thing that makes this unique is it's everything our family stands for in 35 pods of information. And it's permanent. What that means is, you know, you mentioned your , your, your new title. I don't know if that's your title or what, but the degree to which we can make things permanent. That means we fought them through. That means their total and complete for the duration of our lives. This document, my wife and I thought about , uh, and, and, and published , uh , 11 years ago is permanent. It's what our family stands for permanently. So to the degree that you can do that in your personal life and in your business life, that's it. I'm going to sign off with that total life fulfillment, permanence values based decision, making, longterm thinking, saving your money. Jason has been an honor to be on the show with you . Thank you for ,

Jason Wasser, LMFT:

You know, with us. Again, I look forward to our next conversation.

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