Beyond Sunday
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Beyond Sunday
What Do You Do When Your Faith Story Is Interrupted?
Dina, Tyler, and Kevin continue the Pardon This Interruption series with the intertwined stories of Jairus’ daughter and the woman healed after 12 years of bleeding. They unpack how Jesus uses these “interrupted” moments to teach us about faith, waiting, and God’s perfect timing—reminding us that even delays can become opportunities for His miraculous work.
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Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings podcast, where we dive a little bit deeper into our message series and see what we're taking Beyond Sunday. My name is Dena Newsom and I am excited to have a couple guests here today that are current and former worship leaders, now campus leaders. Like there's some history here, yeah, yeah, go ahead and introduce yourselves I'm Kevin McClure.
Speaker 2:I'm the campus worship director at the Northwest Campus.
Speaker 3:And I'm Tyler Rolfson, the campus director at Fremont. Formerly that's right, formerly the worship director. This is the PC days of King of Kings, pre-campus days. I was the worship director at what is now King of Kings Millard and back in the day, kevin was like my go-to fill-in, because there was a season where your full-time job was doing worship fill-in at various churches.
Speaker 2:Yeah, among other things. But yes, yes, I was definitely doing that. About 50% of Sundays every year was filling in somewhere, and this was almost every other month. I think Just about there was when I was here, so it was pretty frequent at King of Kings.
Speaker 3:They were some of my favorite Sundays.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't understand that at all. Kevin and I came on staff at Northwest at the same time and everyone was like, oh yeah, kevin. And I was like, what do you mean? What do you mean? Oh yeah, kevin, he's new. No, he's not.
Speaker 2:Well, some of my favorite Sundays were when I led here, largely because you were also preaching a lot of those, which is why I got called into lead worship, because you didn't want to do both on the same Sunday, right.
Speaker 3:Which I did that a couple of times. I'm like this is crazy, and so it was. Yeah, just such a blessing to be able to focus on one thing and when, when someone's really good at it, just like, don't you have to worry about it, kevin's doing great job, he's gonna lead god's people and then we can partner together so nice so many nice things over here being said well, I will say, now that I'm at millard full-time, I do miss kevin led northwest worship.
Speaker 1:Don don't tell Johnny.
Speaker 2:Just just just keep on piling on the compliments, guys. This is wonderful. I feel so good. I'm going to leave this, leave this recording just like on cloud nine. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, I don't know if you guys know this, but today is a very special holiday it is national Play-Doh day.
Speaker 3:Wow, when do you get these Dina?
Speaker 1:Google is my friend.
Speaker 1:There's actually a website called National Today that you can look up and find different national or international todays, and sometimes that's where I go. Sometimes I just happen to know when Talk Like a Pirate Day is or various things like that. But anyway, in light of it being National Play-Doh Day, I'm wondering if you have a favorite memory from your childhood of Play-Doh or from your kids' childhood of Play-Doh, or like what was your favorite thing to do with Play-Doh? Anything like what speaks to you when I say play-doh just anything in honor of national play-doh I love play-doh.
Speaker 1:I was a preschool teacher for many years.
Speaker 3:Play-doh is comes in clutch, so um so I am thankful for the preschool teachers out there that can utilize play-doh. Get our kids like their play-doh quota met so that then we never have to have any play-doh. Get our kids their play-doh quota met so that then we never have to have any play-doh in our house Because it is messy, it gets everywhere. Our kids never kept it on the kitchen table. It always ended up on the couch. The dogs would eat it, and then you get the colors mixed up and it ends up in this kind of ugly brown anyway. So thank you for relieving us of needing to do it at our house so tyler has a fully negative experience with play-doh.
Speaker 2:It sounds like, uh, we use play-doh. My wife uh, homeschools while I'm here at work doing stuff and recording podcasts. She's she's basically being the teacher for every age group up to this point right now, which is fun, but she uses Play-Doh a lot and that's like a cool thing that we've said like, yeah, let's use this as much as we can. So I teach guitar lessons on the side sometimes, and I had a student's mom bring in a gift for me last year for Christmas. That was this huge thing called hey Clay, which is basically Play-Doh, except it comes with an app that walks you through how to make the thing that you can make with the Play-Doh that's given to you because it's all the different colors.
Speaker 2:My kids love hey Clay and so it's the same concept. So I feel like it still fits under Play-Doh. It's just, you know, know, not the branded name, uh, but it's this really cool thing. So my kids love that we use all the time. Bear pulls it out constantly, for you know, whatever he's trying to make or do and, um, I'm sure right now he's sticking. If he's using play-doh at this moment, he's sticking it into water to make it run through a whirlpool, because he's really into whirlpools right now and like acts of nature that you think when you're five you're going to experience. Yes, he really thinks he's going to run into a whirlpool someday and has to figure out how to get out, and so he's really obsessed with that and I don't have to tell him whirlpools and quicksand are less common of a concern than you think it's going to be From TV from the 80s.
Speaker 1:I really thought quicksand was going to be something I encountered on a regular basis.
Speaker 3:To your son Bear's credit, though he would be much more equipped in that situation than I would be, it's true He'd be prepared.
Speaker 2:So anyway, the Play-Doh element of it. I mean we use it all the time, so I have a lot of fond memories just playing with it myself, but I love watching my kids make things with it.
Speaker 1:I'm really affected by smells and I love the smell of Play-Doh Like that's just a whole experience. You crack a can and that's just a delightful experience. But, perspective is everything, because when I was a child I loved the fuzzy barber pumper chair or whatever it was, where you'd put the Play-Doh in and you'd do the pump and it'd come out all the little pieces of the hair.
Speaker 1:Loved that when I was a kid. As a parent, I was so excited. I bought that for my girls when they were old enough and I'm so excited to have this. As a parent, you have to clean out the Play-Doh from all those little holes in the head and that's annoying as all get out.
Speaker 3:A new appreciation for your mom.
Speaker 1:Yes, I did not love the barber Play-Doh set anymore.
Speaker 3:So then my question do the different color Play-Dohs have different smells?
Speaker 1:So some people will tell you yes, they do. I believe, and I think I read at one point that they are all the same smell. However, you can make homemade Play-Doh we used to make homemade Play-Doh in we would do cooking in preschool when I taught and you can make it with Kool-Aid packs, and so then it will smell like whatever Kool-Aid you use to put into it and if you use the right ingredients, it's edible and you don't have to worry if they start eating it.
Speaker 3:All right. So if there's a listener out there who disagrees heartily with Dina that the colors are indeed unique smells, you can email her at dinakingkingsorg or text her at 40. I'm kidding.
Speaker 1:You can email me, though We'll go to coffee and discuss Play-Doh. I'll bring the fuzzy pumper barbershop. So, switching from Plato to our sermon series, pardon this interruption. We are in week two and Pastor Seth Flick is teaching this message series. What are you guys taking, beyond Sunday, from this week's message?
Speaker 2:Yeah, for me. I've listened to it a couple of times so I've got like all of it kind of jumbled in my head the inner story and the woman who'd been bleeding out for 12 years reaching out. He set it up in such a way that was like he always moves towards us. In this case she was moving towards him, she reaches out and he stopped. And it was this interruption that was like it didn't seem like he was moving towards her. But if you zoom out a little bit and look at the situation, he was there very clearly in a moment that she needed him to be right there.
Speaker 2:And so it's one of those like I feel like it's easy to get caught in this moment of like. I feel like God's not moving towards me, I feel like God is far from me. In this moment of like, I feel like God's not moving towards me. I feel like God is far from me. I feel like I am doing all this work you know time spent in prayer or in study or in meditation or whatever and I'm not feeling the Lord and yet to be reminded. But he is right where you need him to be in this moment and he knows that, whether you know it right now or not, it doesn't really matter. I'm expounding more than what he said, obviously, but that was a moment for me when I was listening back to the message of like yeah, this is definitely like a key thing for me to be reminded of in the midst of busyness, in the midst of frustration and whatever it might be being able to remember like he actually has a moving towards me. He's right where he meant to be in this exact moment.
Speaker 3:Dina, you always go third. Why don't you go second? What are you taking beyond Sunday?
Speaker 1:What I'm taking beyond Sunday is really the idea of get up. That was what really spoke to me, which was way at the end of the message for Seth, and just really I like the whole idea of being prostrate, you know, and that position of submission or being just totally relying on God or, you know, like just laying yourself flat before Him. But I really liked the idea of, okay, your injury timeout is over, get up, like, get back to work. I think it's really easy today to get complacent, not that I don't love Jesus, not that I don't want my neighbor or the person at the grocery store or the friend of the parent that I meet through school to go to heaven, but I'm sure they'll hear about Jesus somewhere else or you know why is it on me to be the one to tell them? And it was just the passion with which Seth spoke at the end of the message about no, your time of sitting is over, we've got work to do.
Speaker 3:So good Do you remember the Aramaic that Mark includes?
Speaker 1:No, no, I don't.
Speaker 3:Talitha kum.
Speaker 1:There you go.
Speaker 3:I don't know what the proper pronunciation is, but that's what it's written.
Speaker 1:Sounds good to me.
Speaker 3:We were in the teaching team review meeting this morning. I don't think I'm giving anything away that Seth would be embarrassed by by, but he did confide to um zach peter and I that he had to really think about when he said the word prostrate, yes, yes, don't say prostate so well done seth
Speaker 2:those are the behind the scenes, that's. Those are the things the world doesn't know. What happens in those message team.
Speaker 1:That would not have spoken to me as a woman.
Speaker 3:That's a good point. Yeah, maybe this would be a good time. We were just talking pre-recording of kind of how this series came up. And you know, kevin, kevin, kudos to you, because we wouldn't be here if you hadn't brought this up. You know, over a year ago at message planning. You want to maybe just give a little in the spirit of behind the scenes of kind of how this came about.
Speaker 2:Oh sure, yeah, I mean, this whole series was based off of the literary device. That, or at least the initial idea, is based off of the literary device. I learned about this when I was in college and had a college pastor preach on it and then, over the years, have just heard a couple more times, not on the device, but just use it. And so, as they've preached through the gospel of Mark or whatever they described this thing and I heard it a few times, and the nomenclature of the common tongue is the Markan sandwich, which is the literary device, the intellectual's word is intercalation, right, is that the word that's correct? So intercalation is this use of one story with a story inserted in the middle in order to give context to the greater story and also because he's teaching the more specific details to his closer disciples, he turns to the side and he does all this whole thing, and I've always just loved that this is in only the Gospel of Mark. I love the way that he set this up, as he wrote it and was recounting, the way that Jesus was talking to his followers, and I just was like this would be a really cool thing.
Speaker 2:There's, I think, seven or eight episodes like this in the Gospel of Mark Be really cool to walk through a few of them and if we wanted to do it a second time, another series down the road, like there's more to pick from, that'd be kind of fun. Threw it out, everybody seemed interested in learning more about it and then it got put on the schedule and then Seth Flick came on staff and was charged with all right, this is your series, why don't you run after it? And from there? I was not obviously part of all that, but I love where Seth's taking this. This has been really cool to see this pardon the interruption theme, you know all kind of baked in with like yeah, this is the literary tool, but we're really getting into the meat of what the the text is actually saying and I love that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's wild to think that that ESPN show that I watched every day in elementary school at 4 pm is still happening.
Speaker 3:And then what was really cool is we have that ticker on the side, that kind of mirrors how they do it on the show. It's very, very creative, but kind of this more of a meta thing that I'm taking beyond Sunday, but just like the concept of this series both weeks, like just a renewed love for God's word, because our tendency in Sunday school and in individual messages is to take just a kind of you used intercalation like a pericope would be the official term, but like a section like and so you, so you would read about the woman who is reaches out, her hand reached out and touches the hem of jesus garment.
Speaker 3:He says be well. Or you hear about gyrus and to now see, oh, they're actually working together. Like I've heard these individual stories preached a number of times, I've studied them on my own. But now, all these ahas of how they're working together, it's just this reminder of, like man, god's word is really living and active and we are always learning and growing that we really never graduate from just sitting at the feet of the scripture.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's really good. So, Tyler, I'm going to ask you, can you kind of highlight the two stories you mentioned briefly, like the main person maybe in each, but what the two stories inner story and the outer story are in this message, and then, for both of you guys, what are the connections that you see between them?
Speaker 3:Yeah, totally yeah. So we're in Mark, chapter 5. And one of the kind of heroic accomplishments of Seth in these is that because it's an outer story inner story, outer story this is like a giant chunk of scripture and I think even this coming week is even a bigger one. So like props to him for like making it all work within a message that doesn't go 55 minutes, seriously, so yeah. So Jairus the scripture says he's a ruler of, one of the rulers of the synagogue. He comes to Jesus, he falls at Jesus' feet and he says come, my little girl. She's almost dying. And we find out later this girl is 12 years old. So Jesus starts to go with him towards where the girl was in their house, starts to go with him towards where the girl was in their house.
Speaker 3:And while they're traveling, this woman who the scripture says has been hemorrhaging for 12 years which every time I hear that I think about just how disastrous of that would be certainly physically and I think Seth laid out really well also what that does spiritually, because that means she was unclean so she cannot go to the temple.
Speaker 3:Also means socially, means she could not physically touch anyone. Like I could get up right now and give Dina a hug, but this woman has not received a hug in 12 years, and so you can just imagine the isolation. And so, out of that desperation, she's also on the ground and Seth did a great job of outlining that and she reaches out for the hem of Jesus's garment. Jesus stops and he's like power's gone out of me, which I always thought was an interesting kind of place to be and the woman is healed. And then at that point so this is what Seth had brought up really well is that while Jesus was on his way to heal Jairus' daughter, this woman's desperation interrupts, and so Jesus takes time to stop and minister to this woman, which then means that Jairus' daughter is waiting. And we get to the point where we find out that we get news that the daughter has died, and one of the this is really stuck with me is then someone says to Jairus your daughter is dead, why trouble the teacher any longer?
Speaker 3:Jesus, wants none of that and he ends up going to the house. They all said, well, oh no. Jesus says she's not dead, she's only sleeping. Scripture actually says they laugh at him, they laugh at him, mock him, and then he just takes a small few of the family members up to a room. He says these famous words Talitha Koum, little girl, get up. We find out that she is indeed 12 years old and she does that. And so Jesus, within this whole Markins story, this sandwich, this intercalation, is healing this woman that's been bleeding for 12 years. And then he raises this girl back to life, also 12 years old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what connection stuck out to you, kevin.
Speaker 2:Well, there's the. The ones that are, I think, the easiest to grab are clearly like the 12 years of both this girl's born and this woman starts bleeding. Correlation does not equal causation, so I don't think we can jump to any conclusions there, but I do think it still has a lot to say about. You know, the numerology in scripture makes a big difference. I think it tells us that this is a say about. You know, the numerology in scripture makes a big difference. I think it tells us that this is a big deal.
Speaker 2:You know, 12 is a number of completion. Whether or not it was exact to the day or whatever, I don't think that stuff matters to that point. I think it really is just trying to tell you something about the situation. That this is a big deal, then, both lying prostrate shows an honor to Jesus and a trust and a deep faith. Um, I don't think I can count on one hand the number of times I've laid down in front of somebody begging them for help.
Speaker 2:Uh and so this would be something that would be a huge deal for anybody, but especially for someone of high status likeairus the woman. I don't know what her status would have been before or what, but she's still very much humbling herself in this moment to do the exact same thing, also putting herself into danger of being in a crowd of people. She could get stoned for that, she could be mocked and ridiculed, but instead she says but I know this is the moment and it really takes me to correct me if I'm wrong. Does Jesus actually say the words in this story in the Markin account? Your faith has made you well.
Speaker 3:No, not here. He just says little girl, I say to you arise.
Speaker 2:Okay, so he doesn't say that at all to the older widow either.
Speaker 3:Oh, sorry, sorry To the woman before he gets back to the outer story. No, he said yeah, this is verse 34. He said to her that this is the woman that had been bleeding for 12 years. Daughter, your faith has made you well. Go in peace and be healed of your disease.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, just like those words give me goosebumps thinking about it of like the deep faith that she had to make that movement, to take that action. It didn't even require Jesus to turn and look at her, it didn't require him, she just simply made this action and move towards him and it, yeah, it did everything it needed to do and it wasn't. That. It's a formula of you have faith and so, therefore, god does this thing, but it is this action and we can't fully explain it, we can't fully understand it or comprehend it. It's just this like reality of her faith was so deep and true that it created a moment for Jesus to give her the healing.
Speaker 2:Whether or not he intended to, I would still say he intended for it to happen, but that's not explicitly written in this account. So I feel like that's not totally fair to go too far down that rabbit trail. But those are the things that jump out to me as the clear connecting points is the faithfulness, the humility to lay prostrate in front of Jesus or behind him and reaching out towards him. The big deal of the 12 years, those are, I think, super important, just to catch on. And then I think the last connecting point is the fact that Jesus is in proximity with these people, and that's just.
Speaker 2:I said this earlier. I think that that's fully intentional. Because of who he is, he will always be right in the moment that he's supposed to be, that he intended for. That's best for you, whether you see it or not, and so I think the woman having to make those moves herself looks almost like he doesn't care about her, but he was in the moment that he needed to be exactly right so that her faith could be shown and demonstrated. Otherwise, who knows how that faith is demonstrated? But it was demonstrated particularly in this way, on purpose, and I think that's a big deal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I really like just the courage that both Jairus and the woman show. I mean, I think think, okay, if my child were really sick and I was living at this time, am I really gonna go ask this person that I've just heard about, you know?
Speaker 1:to to heal them. But he does and and it's important to him. But let alone the woman who, like you said, it could be risking, you know, her own life, literally, literally, or just more, being shunned or whatever is okay. No, this is my moment. I know that this is the time and the courage that they both show in their stories. Okay, so Jairus is waiting for Jesus to come and hopefully heal his daughter and he gets sidetracked by this woman and I'm sure Jairus in the moment was really annoyed, you know. And so Seth really talked about how someone else's answered prayer could interrupt our own desire for a miracle. So what human emotions do you see coming into play when someone else's answered prayer interrupts our desire for a miracle?
Speaker 3:It's complicated, isn't it? I made a Bluey reference an episode or two ago that I was on, so another Bluey reference for you parents of young kids. There's an episode where where the moms are comparing how their children are developing, like crawling first, walking first, but it's in dog terms. But the point is and they say this over and over again run your own race. And so there's something to be said there of just having the humility and wherewithal to not compare. But I also just think it's at a human level, like how can we not, when we're talking about the God of the universe that we say loves us unconditionally, and when he answers the prayer of someone else while ours goes unanswered? I think about a situation my prior church. I was out in Connecticut, just this amazing group of people and this was about a year or two in. A wife woke up. She and her husband were in their mid fifties, woke up and her husband had died in the middle of the night, completely unexpectedly. And in between that and the celebration of life service within the church community, we had a very similar situation where there was like a heart attack, that sort of thing, and we called people to prayer and, for whatever reason the Lord healed that man. And then we have the funeral for the one where he died, and I think that's one reason why in the scriptures they say, especially in the New Testament rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. Sometimes that's the only thing we can do is stick to that.
Speaker 3:But I also just love the way that Seth put it in kind of ultimate terms and that Jesus is always moving toward our wounds, not away from them.
Speaker 3:We don't know on this side of heaven if our prayers for a miracle or prayers for healing will be answered. God does it sometimes, but we can't guarantee it. But we do know that this life is not the end and, as he so beautifully referenced in Revelation 21, there is coming a day. Jesus will return, he's going to make all things new and at that point there will be no more hemorrhaging, there will be no more 12-year-olds dying, there'll be no more 50-year-olds dying, there'll be no more sickness, death, and he's gonna wipe away every tear and like that's not just like a out there hope, like that has been the hope of Christians for 2000 years, and I think a lot of times you don't talk about that enough, because it's important of what does it look like for us to follow Jesus now? That's important, but you can't talk about prayers going unanswered without recognizing that there is coming a day where all the bad things what's the great Jesus storybook, bible, all the sad things will become untrue. That day's coming.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that is fully true and I'm definitely not disagreeing at all. That is fully true. That day's coming, yeah, yeah, and I think that is fully true and I'm definitely not disagreeing at all. Um, that is fully true. And then you have this scenario, when you're in in it, that you feel, um, maybe jealousy or question, questioning your, your faith and questioning God's goodness, and I think those are all welcome. I remember, um, oh, I don't remember exactly who it was that said it, but I've heard this quote once that, um, god's not afraid of of our punches.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so it's okay to take them and and be frustrated or upset or hurt and ask those questions to him. Um, it's when we stop asking those questions to him that things start to get a little bit wild and, um, you know, I think that's. That's just one of the hard realities is you see, something that you've been asking for for yourself happened for somebody else, and you as a person, as a human who's imperfect, who doesn't have the whole vision in front of you, who doesn't know the grand master plan, who doesn't always feel like things are working out for your good, you can cling to the truths that I think it's Romans 8, that God is working all things together for the good of those who love him and for his own glory. That's still true, that's absolutely true. But in the middle of it, you can't see how it's good, and so you're asking these questions what am I supposed to feel, or why do I still feel this way? That's contrary to what I'm trying to live out in my faith, and I think that's just the reality.
Speaker 2:Is it's okay, it's okay to feel those things and it's okay to ask those questions, it's okay to go to the Lord with that, and I think that's ultimately a big push of why it's great to be in community and to find yourself with people who will encourage you with absolute truth of the word of God but also mourn with you and also experience that, and I think that's just a complicated feeling to have to work out.
Speaker 2:And so it's so much easier I shouldn't say easier it's so much, it's less of a burden to bear when you are not bearing it on your own. And so, yeah, I just I find that when Seth said that, I was really grateful that he shared that story of his own, um, that he about, about his, his, his, his I think it was his youngest son or second youngest son Um, when they were in the hospital, that was really meaningful to me. To hear somebody share a personal story like that, that was like that was challenging and it worked out in the end. I have a lot of friends that they've had things not work out and yet I've also seen them find a lot of healing and find a lot of hope. And I don't have permission to name any names, obviously, at this moment because I'm just thinking of this right now.
Speaker 2:Text them, kevin, but I've, you know they, they had a miscarriage or or a baby die that they still celebrate that birthday and their, their kids that came after like still know they have an older sibling and they celebrate that and they look to that day. And so they found, even in the struggle of that moment that I watched them in when it happened, they found now, 10 years down the road, this hope and this looking forward to the day that they will be reunited with the ones that they love. And so it's okay to feel the conflicting emotions and know that things are true but not totally feel right about it all the time. And I think that's one of the beautiful things about community that we can always point each other back to is hey, people feel it, people understand that and they're with you and we can live in that tension, I think.
Speaker 3:And also just recognize how biblical it is. Like in the Psalms there are all these Psalms of lament, meaning that God saw fit to place within the Holy Scriptures words for us to complain before him.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And so I just flipped to one here, psalm 13. You guys ready for this?
Speaker 1:Yeah go.
Speaker 3:How long, o Lord, will you forget me forever? How long will you hide your face from me? How long must I take counsel in my soul and have sorrow in my heart all the day? And just if you're on the other side of this and you're in that spot where you are asking and you're praying and you're waiting, just that you need to know that the Lord gives you permission to come to him in one of these laments. It's like God, how long Bring your whole self before him. Like you said, kevin, like he's not scared of anything. He can handle it. Jesus has walked the road before us. He identifies with every sorrow and pain point that we have and it's actually a beautiful exercise of faith to go to God with it. And, like Kevin said, in the context of community. That's why we have church, that's why we have each other.
Speaker 1:So I very recently had the experience of being the opposite.
Speaker 1:I was the answered prayer when someone else was struggling and I had like when Seth was preaching about this and just looking at this whole story, I hadn't made the correlation of just how difficult that situation was too.
Speaker 1:And it was a case of where I had called a close friend of mine because I was having a biopsy done of whether or not you know, waiting to see if I had a type of cancer. And in that phone conversation my friend revealed to me that she had just received a cancer diagnosis that I was unaware of and we talked through that and talked about her then at that moment and I remember how anxious she was for my results. And I remember how anxious she was for my results and I remember when I got my results, which were clear that I was fine, I didn't want to tell her because I felt bad for the hurt that she was in and selfishly glad for myself and I didn't know how to express that to her. But when I did, she responded with such excitement and just genuine joy for me that I wasn't going to face what she was feeling in that moment, just as a friend.
Speaker 1:And so when you talk about the community, like I think that's on both sides of whether it is the answered prayer or whether it is the struggle, that community of just coming together, that how we can take those things to God is just an amazing part of the human experience with a graceful father like that. Yeah, okay, so we're kind of wrapping it up now. What are you guys's final takeaways from this message?
Speaker 3:um, I referenced it earlier. When they go to gyrus after the wound's been healed and they say why your daughter is dead, why troubled the teacher any longer? I've heard it said, and I've probably even believed it at times myself, just that either my need is either too big for God or too small for God. And so just to encourage you listener, anything that you bring to God is not troublesome, is not bothersome, because he loves you so, so, so much, and he's always moving toward our wounds and not away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the end of his message like you were talking about, dina, the get up there's an activation and a motivation for the believer to take their hurts, take their pain, take their suffering and then, whether or not they find healing like true physical healing, they can find hope and peace.
Speaker 2:And when you have found that, you then can turn around and offer that to others. And I think you know that's one of the beautiful things about what you just shared, dina is you know, you know that feeling of the uncertainty and of the pain and we have other staff members here at King of Kings that have gone through a year of chemo and gone through a loss of of a of a loved one suddenly and to be able to lean on each other in that way. So, whether you're on either side of that of someone who needs that support, who needs that understanding, or who has it and is willing to give it to somebody else, we all can be motivated towards that action of either seeking it out, because we are so deep in our suffering and struggling, or seeking out somebody to give that piece away too. And I just I think that's a major activation for me out of this week's message.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's really good. So Seth said something at the very end and he said His resurrection is so much more powerful than whatever has caused our desperation. And that stuck with me. I was like, wow, I mean, we know that it's much more powerful than anything, but to think about it in that context, that in the moment, whatever it is that's making us desperate, that God is still there, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, he relates to us in our sufferings too, which is extremely biblical, but it's also kind of following up what you said earlier. He doesn't just relate to us in the victory. He also was the one who he said my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? He relates to us on both sides of it, and what a kind God to meet us in any place that we're currently standing, and he meets us there with absolute empathy and an understanding of where we are, us there, with absolute empathy and an understanding of where we are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Thank you guys so much for being here today and sharing about this sometimes hard topic Like I'm excited to hear more from this series. So until next week, let's keep living our faith. Be on Sunday, Thank you.
