On this weeks episode of the NEW Trueface podcast, Robby talks with Trueface Communicator and Co-Founder, and Founder of John Lynch Speaks, John Lynch on the principles of shame and Grace and how our identity in Christ frees us from shame.
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On this weeks episode of the NEW Trueface podcast, Robby talks with Trueface Communicator and Co-Founder, and Founder of John Lynch Speaks, John Lynch on the principles of shame and Grace and how our identity in Christ frees us from shame.
As always, if you enjoyed this episode please share it with a friend and rate us 5 stars!
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Welcome to the true face podcast, where we discuss principles that help us live beyond the mask. My name is Robbie Angle. I'm the president of True Face. And we equip people to experience trust in their relationships with God and others. The true face podcast is here to help you guys experience and apply grace into your lives. And And our hope is that this is practical and helpful in applying these this grace in this truth so that we can live beyond the mask. Ah, and so every other week, we're gonna share stories, discuss principles, and apply it to our lives. Ah, lot of times the stories will be personal, and sometimes they're gonna be stories from other people are found in in the Bible. And today I am super excited. I want to jump in because we have someone who is not a stranger to this podcast. He has a whole lot more reps than I do in this. He is a friend, a mentor, the one and only. Welcome to the new true face podcast. John Lynch. How are you?
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Bowman? Robbie, I am so honored. This is great stuff.
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A Are you going to give us a rating at the end of this and say, Old versus new. Which one's better from your opinion or
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No, no, no.
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Is that is that
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we had some great great ones And then there were some that on Lee a mother could listen todo
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love the man. I've been listening to this thing for years, and, uh, it's pretty wild toe have this new it oration. New season to go. Hey. What? What? You know, we've heard from people and part of the movement of true face of some ideas. And this is where we landed. You guys gave us some feedback, so we hope it's We hope it's good. If not, just let us know. We'll mix it up again. The John.
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This is the best. I'm so proud of
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you, Hayes. John, how
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long have
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we When did we first meet? We've been friends for what, 78 years? Yeah.
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Yeah, I think so. I had I have no idea. You said we met at North Point. I that could be true. I have no memory of that.
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That that just that was the first. I think you spoke at the first ever man night. at North. That was I was leading the men's team and I was like, Let's do a night for men to come together and ah, I was leading cement.
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You serve bacon at the front door. You had your truck. Your smoke truck. That was a great You have a bull. A bull
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was awesome. You killed it. That was so much fun. 1000 men and bacon and sports cars and bull riding And John Lynch. It was the hope of Germany. Germany Chairman Jeremy Affeldt was there. We remember that one of the people. That was great. That was awesome. John, you Ah, you have been part of true face. For how long now?
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Well, over all the cash years and years, I mean, most of the time I was I was preaching as a pastor it open door fellowship, but still writing for true face all along all the way back to the original true face and then boast cafe. And then the cure and Worst Day. And the devotion, the parenting book, all that time writing, speaking with true face. But probably only full time. The last 11 years.
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Yeah, that was blurry, though, between open door fellowship days and full time. You've always the it is for those of you that don't know. I became friends with Caleb Lynch John, one of John's kids, and he is now ah, the pastor at open Door Fellowship, which is just a wild, small world following. Oh,
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and he's just killing it just I don't know who he is. Who? I don't know. I I raised you your You don't sound like this normally. So I mean, it's really he's Yeah,
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I'm never going to say it like in public, but he that he might have more potential than his dad, or that there's a very high likelihood of it. I mean, I would tell him that, but I
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will not like he doesn't have access to this, right? It's not like he won't.
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He won't listen to this. That guy is amazing as a testimony to you and Stacy. So John, we could talk all day, but we should jump in, man. Uh oh. I want I'm excited to hear the story that you want to share with us today.
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Yeah, well, one of the things that we were describing to talk about is shame and shames talked about a lot. But what I want to do today is and just interrupt me at any point where you want to ask anything. I kind of want to go all the way back to the first biblical picture of when the d n a. Got messed up all the way back to the garden. Come on. And then I want to I want to kind of map it out of what does that look like? How does that play out? Still in me now a believer in Jesus who can still play out of that shame. And then I want to talk about what breaks that what breaks that pattern and how can I get off that train? So, um, I I hope I hope that I mean, let me just even start in reading. I mean, if anyone's reading longer here in Genesis Chapter three, it just starts out in Chapter three, Verse six when it says that she took from its fruit and ate it and gave it to her husband with her and he ate it. And then the eyes of both of them were opened and they knew that they were naked. Interesting statement Before that the were just carries the idea of being without clothing and now suddenly will have this nefarious, ugly, estranged meaning Here. Here's the first place where you see shame they they they were naked. They knew something was wrong. Something was very wrong with them. And so they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves lying. Coverings them as built, Raul says, the first active sin management in Scripture, and they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day in the man and the wife hid themselves. And that's so interesting. You know what you've done to manage your sin isn't working when you're still hiding and they're hiding from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees in the garden. And so the Lord calls out to the man. He says, This is where are you? And he said, Well, um, such powerful words here. I heard the sound of you in the garden and I was afraid because I was naked. So I hid myself those words. I was afraid because I was naked. So I hit myself. They tell the whole story, don't they? E thing Why's he Why's it? First of all, why is he afraid? And and and there's a couple thoughts I had one. He's not sure what God's gonna do now. He's never been here with God before. This is this whole relationship with God, still relatively new, And he just has I I know what just happened, and I don't know how you'll respond to me. I don't know what you're going to do. I don't know if you're gonna punish me. I don't know if we're gonna be estranged. If it's gonna be different between us, I'm terrified of what's gonna happen next. Because is the first time I've seen you since then. And secondly, I think Adam's afraid because he's not sure now that this has happened, that there's a solution for him, like he just tried the fig leaves. He's just trying. He still hiding, he scrambling, It's freaking him out. So So that sense of I don't know that I know a way out of this thing and I'm now he his sin has caused, and this is maybe the saddest to me has caused his innocent innocence to be replaced by shame. And that is so tragic there in the garden thes two young people loving their lives. They're truly innocent. And now his son has caused what I call this innocent innocents to be replaced by shame. This this shame is that sense of just that this nakedness, that that that it describes this nefarious, alienating experience and condition of life. Now we've said it before, but guilt says I've done something wrong, But this shame is something altogether different. It's some something it says Something's uniquely irreparably wrong about my very person. And no matter what I do and how many conferences I go, too, no matter what I read, no matter how much I'll never get away from it, I know it, and I think that you know it. And I think that God knows it, and I think that God endures me. He'll put his arm around me, but he's a little embarrassed, too. And so there's that that horrible experience that gets replicated then by Maur andMe or behavior that is motivated by more shame. So I said Robbie, I said, it describes a lot of us. If I move that out of that biblical scene and just now transform that here I am a Christian still carrying the d. N A. And there is a beautiful solution. But along the way, this describes a lot of us. We do something that violates who we believe we are, and we don't know what to do with what we've done. Then we think, Okay, I can fix it somehow. Like like Adam. I I can make it go away. I can put some thick leaves over this and it doesn't work. So we hide and pretend and bluff, and then this makes us the freakish. We're not sure what God's going to, dio. Yep, And it makes us afraid, because we're not sure that we can be solved. And now we feel naked and our innocents feels polluted, and all of this creates the shame story in me. Now I start to from very young. Now start to build this story that that ends with there something fundamentally wrong with me, and it speaks to my heart. I start to be able to hear these messages in my own heart, especially when I've got too much time to think so I can't stay here that long because it's too embarrassing. It's too painful and just like Adam and even versus 12 and 13 back in that chapter, I have to blame somebody else for it because I can't live with the guilt of my shame. So, uh, I keep going and I try to move past this shame, and this describes a lot of us men. I try to prove to myself that I'm enough. I doom or I try harder. I block things out and I find that I've been wearing a mask, a really tightly of fixed mask, and I'm so exhausted hiding the real me. So there I am. There's there's there's so many of us described out of that, Adam. Any story right in that bizarre pattern that can, for some of us can exist for moments at a time. For some of us, we've been in that pattern for decade after decade after decade, and our Children and our wives and our friends and our husbands have had to experience that about us. They love us, but they can see that that's true about us, that we're living out of our shame
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and and all of us
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go ahead
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all, all of us, we can't. This is a complete universal, um, struggle where all of us have shame. And I think to six months ago, um, I got a bunch of little kids and one of my older kids, you know, it's the innocents you talked about of the nakedness of Would you got a lot of little kids naked running around, And you, you that's right. And about six months ago, one of my older kids, for no particular reason, pointed out a younger kid. It was like a high. He's naked and the any win in a closet. And he was crying, Um and you know, well, put his clothes on and and just the anger I felt it. That, and knowing that I've been carrying that same whatever he was feeling, which is just in Aidan, all of us, that's right. What? Why?
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And and everybody can remember something like that of a moment where we got called out in that and it just humiliated us, you know?
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What do we do with that? If we are not it?
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Yeah, it it is crushing for me to say to you that I think, um, I didn't have an answer to this for a long time in my faith as a believer that that I I truly just tried to man up and and thought I can get past this. I somehow But I saw myself. I saw God kind of disgusted with me that after all this time, John, you have not been able to figure this out, and I realized there's nothing to figure it out. There are on Lee realities that had been done for me that I'm going to have to believe an arrest in and trust. So when it says in Hebrews 12 to I must fix my eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith who, for the joy set before him he endured the cross and despised within that whatever happened to my shame. It got it got all folded in with the cross, and he sat down on the right hand of the throne of God, saying, It's done. So I have to ask what got accomplished at the cross. What, what, And then I have to say, Can I believe that that's true for me? Circulations to 20 says, I've been crucified with Christ and it's no longer I who live that guy with that shame story. He died, But Christ lives in me now. And the life which I now live in the flesh. So I still have skin, and I still know the music that I like. I still enjoy the same foods, but the new life that I have now is an entirely different creature. It's not this old person by himself, defined by his shame, but I now live by faith trusting the son of God who loved me and gave himself up. For me. It's second Corinthians, 5 21 says he who made he made him. He got made him Jesus, who had never known any sin to be sent on my behalf so that I would get to be in that moment in time that I put my opening the righteousness of God in him that John Lynch gets to believe that I'm actually righteous because of what Jesus did on the cross. And I no longer m that person that I described myself as so. So the result of that is Romans 81 Therefore, now there's just never any condemnation for any of us who are in Christ. Jesus. So So here's what I get to trust. Now I get to trust this, that this is what breaks the parish aim. The cross would whatever Jesus did on that day on the cross, my shame story entered into it. And now when I believe I am no longer defined by that story anymore, nobody in heaven understands that. It hears that I'm and I got. Instead, I got it replaced by this brand new creature, this one who is named Christ in me. Christ in John Lynch, Christ and Robbie. And so nobody in heaven can remember any of it. And even if even if stuff was back 40 years ago, every single time I put my weight and say I'm gonna dare believe that's true the power of the remaining vestiges of the lie, they get overpowered. And so that's That's the on leeway is putting my hope in that being true that I've been able to deal with any of my shame.
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So I'm gonna process out loud what I'm thinking right now. Yeah, Okay, John, these truths are sitting pretty heavy with me right now, and I'm wrestling. You talked about the masks, which all of us are gonna wait because we feel like we're we know something's wrong with us. So fig leaders and masks and the for the board room, the bedroom that billfold the bullfight. We chase all these things to try Thio, to feel valid, valuable that there's not something wrong with us by over by wearing that mask. That's right. Then I became a Christian and for a lot of my Christian life I knew these truce. But I didn't know these truce and shame was still there, So I don't know. I wrestle with I know the power of these truce in these principles, but I feel like even in my own life, and so many believers don't know these truths, they know him in their head but don't experience these truths. Even it was just Ah, in a season a little while ago that I really started grasping the significance of what you just said in Galatians 2 20 Rose Romans ate that. There's no combination that that I'm a new creation, but I've I'm feeling shame right now because I've gone to a deeper level of awareness that it's Christ in me and not robbing, Not my shame, and he has overcome my shame But the fact that I still carry shame now makes me feel shame that I don't fully believe these truths that I really do believe. Now.
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Well, you're saying you're speaking for so many people, Robbie. One on first on the level of you know what? I may have assented to these truce, but I'm not sure that I believe them till recently. And some people are listening right now saying, Wait, I've never gotten this before. This is brand new. You wait, wait, wait. Hold on. I just I've just man up and and you're saying that there's power, literal, actual supernatural power in me, trusting that I'm not my shame story, and I'm not seeing that way. And I am seen as Christ in John Lynch on my worst day, and I'm supposed to live out of that and dare to believe it,
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That's for you. And then and then the mentality of that belief, even though I've I've crossed a threshold which has changed my understanding of God in my view of myself, I still yesterday was struggling with feeling like I'm not a
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knight and that's that's the second part of that is you are right on time, but it there is a lag time of thes. Is Justin snap into place all of a sudden? All the time For the rest of my days, I will still have this flesh in me that is trying to bark out at me. Hey, John. Hey, John. H on your Not enough. What's wrong with you? It will always be there. But the answer now has changed. What I give back now is not um Ah, I think I'm enough. I think I'm enough. Like I'm gonna try to be Enough. You've got an answer. It says I know who I am and Christ says, John, I will put a robe of righteousness around you. You are actually righteous. You're actually holy. And you don't have to listen to that crab. Yeah, yeah, there's there's some issues that you're going to fail, and but the beauty, the beauty to be able to say I'm right on time And just the fact that I felt shame again today is not proof that I have not believed these things.
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Amen.
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And so the beauty to get to say, Father, it's the same road home. I'm feeling shame again today all right. What do I do? I stop again and I say I'm a new creature. I'm not defined by the shame story. It got me for a little bit, but now it gets to stop. Jesus, you're wonderfully incredibly delighted with me. You live in me. There's no condemnation of me. You're crazy about me. And you are convincing my heart of this new way of scene. So I just get the rest and just say to the flesh. Yeah, whatever.
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Yeah, as I have been encouraged. A I hope you receive these truths as reminders from friends as we have this opportunity to do this. And we hope that you have a fresh reminder today through fellowship with us, even if it's over a podcast that you are right on time. And that and that regardless of where we are on the spectrum, um, these truce are the most freeing experiences of of, of receiving God's love to replace our shame that we get to renew and refresh and believe on a daily basis, which is pretty amazing. And, uh, that's why John, I love you as a friend. I'm so thankful for you jumping on here today and I'm excited. Uh, for the next one, we're gonna we're gonna ah, dig deeper into this topic on the next one. You guys, like, subscribe. Share this with your friends. We're so thankful for y'all and and thankful that you are part of this true face team and what we hope is happening throughout the country and throughout the world and taking this message of grace and applying it into our lives like we were able to do. Hey, Thanks, John. Thank you. Y'all so proud to be part of this. All right, See you guys.