The Dirt Life

Builders, Fabricators, and Horsepower - IMG Motorsports & Mila Performance

April 18, 2022 Offroad, UTV’s, Racing, Dunes, BTS, Sponsorship - Podcast & Live Show Episode 126
The Dirt Life
Builders, Fabricators, and Horsepower - IMG Motorsports & Mila Performance
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Interested in logistics, getting started racing offroad, details of what it takes? @nobigdealhill & @mila_performance give you the inside scoop on what it takes and some Pro Tips to help with getting started racing and even perfecting your program! Appreciate all the guys @imgmotorsports for having us and all of you for watching!

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Welcome to the dirt life show with your host, George Hamil. We are live episode 126 sub Jeffrey Ricker, the dirt life show. We're going to talk about builders fabricators, horsepower and all kinds of fun stuff that's behind the scenes tonight. Unfortunately, we had to reschedule some stuff our boy Bryce Menzies wasn't able to have the show tonight. So we're gonna probably try to see if we can hang out with him maybe next week or something. But thank you guys, both for kind of flipping the switch. Instead of having it next week and doing it this week. I really appreciate you guys jumping the gun. I'm George camel host with dirt life show. We're at img motorsports today. And dude. The stuff that we're going to talk about today still blows my mind. Like every time I go in a shop like I've been to, you know, shops and Milos worked at obviously your shop here. James is so crazy. You can kind of see some of the stuff in the background here that we're going to talk about also shoot a different camera angle you can see over there. That's hot shoes car, right? Yeah, that's Edwards car. So Ryan Edwards from KMC wheels. You can see a whole bunch of cages all kinds of FAB stuff over there. You guys got all your pipe and everything back there for customers cars, yeah. Tons and tons of cool stuff. So we're going to talk about all kinds of rad stuff. If you're on Instagram, and you can't see any of that stuff, feel free to go over to Facebook or YouTube. And share the show. Always share the show. Share it with just by clicking that little thing on Instagram and you can share it with all your buddies. Because that's what helps us the most it helps give back to the guys that help us like James and me over here. And also giving back is one of our show sponsors super cool deal that evolution power sports is doing. That's why I wore my EVO shirt today. They started doing tunes for the razor two hundreds. And since it's all the little kids, they have a special relationship with the Phoenix Children's Hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. Because Jacobs Cohen, Todd zuccon son evolution power sports who raises the I think it's a 978 Maybe now that's Dustin Jones, but anyways, he raised his 976 or something. He was saved by Phoenix Children's Hospital, really. So for every tune that they do, all of the proceeds are going to be donated to the Phoenix Children's Hospital. Wow, that's, that's amazing. Pretty rad. I worked with Todd just a little bit with his EVO stuff. And he is top notch. I love that dude. Dude, he is insanely good, right? So humble. And he's given back now, right? Like, how cool is that. So if any of you guys are interested in increasing your horsepower and your kids, what's up AirDog if you're interested in increasing the horsepower on any of the razor, two hundreds that you guys have available now send it over to EVO because they're not gonna be making any money, they're gonna take all the profits and give it to the Phoenix Children's Hospital. So super cool of those guys to do that. Let's thank all of our sponsors real quick, sorry, boys, this is the boring part. You can always visit us on Facebook, YouTube, and Instagram. Slide into our DMS and hanging out with us anytime. We really enjoy talk with you guys as much as you guys want to hang out. We have tons and tons of people that have been hitting us up. So it's really cool that you guys are wanting to converse with all the stuff that we have going on. So I heard some tacos we're eating up. Yeah, I want to eat some tacos, man. Yeah, so thank you to all of our sponsors. KMC wheels Motul we're gonna talk about some old school stuff today. We got to get some maybe in the commercial break we'll get some and shock therapy gamma shock therapy hat on you guys go dirt life at shock therapy usa.com You can get yourself some limited strap steering rack BSD kits. I saw you guys were installing the shock therapy steering rack. Yeah, Johnny's doing one on one of the in a race cars over there on the rack. And then we use the limit strap kits on the cams quite a bit pretty good ones. Well, I mean, it gets rid of that. Yes. Yeah. Where the shock drops all the way out. So we'll talk about some of that. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah. AirDog it's pretty cool that they're doing that man. So anytime anybody has a raise or 200 send it over to EVO EVO so they can do it up. By chupacabra. I don't know what you're talking about. Jeffrey. Thanks to the guys over at JL Audio for coming on board at the show. So if you need some tunes, I heard you might have some stuff going on with JL Audio James I I'm trying to get the white you'll oh this white car behind us cruiser set up you know the corporate cruiser with some tunes. Yeah, catch me in that thing out in Utah next month. Just dip in. That car is good, man. We're gonna hear you first. I don't know. I was looking for fifteens or you know whatever is on the street right now. I don't know you're the dude just blasting. I don't really know much about audio equipment. I thought they tans but we keep them clean. Alright, yeah, so thanks to the guys over at JL Audio for joining us. Thank you you guys evolution power sports again. You can get anything that they offer the coach you Under exhaust or even more importantly right now we get de tuned for your razor 200 Thanks guys as Owens racing products, you can use the code dirt life show under racing products.com and get a tie rod kit or in radius rods or anything to match up with that shock therapy steering rack that you have thanks to the guys over at Vision canopies. Kyle and all his team over there doing a lot for racers and giving back. It's really cool because they donate a lot of their profits back to sponsoring individuals that raise so good on Kyle and those guys, so please support vision canopies. Thank you guys over at Crown heat. And thank you guys a solder weld. Alright, boys. So tonight I want to talk about all the stuff that happens behind the scenes. So I kind of feel like I'm the newbie here, right? Because James, you've been in side by sides for a long time. You've been in a racing for a long time with dirt bikes, anything with wheels, and now obviously up into the top echelon of the side by side industry. And Mila dude, you've done it all too. I mean, you sat in Trophy Trucks before you've helped the strapless brothers with their program that I know of. And we're going to talk about a lot of the stuff that you've done. I mean, like, to me, all of the stuff that you guys know is gonna blow me away, because I don't know any of that stuff. Well, here's the side note. I'm probably going to learn some stuff from James tonight. So we're both on the same page. Yeah, I think that's gonna be pretty cool, man. I agree. So the first subject that I want to talk about, though, was not necessarily like fabrication or like any of that stuff I wanted to actually see. Because we asked this question to whiskey. David is one of James's co workers here. What his favorite tool was in his toolbox. You guys have one because I kind of want to throw that out there. Now you don't have to answer it. Now. We could get back to it later. But there's always one guy like one favorite tool. Mine has personally the biggest impact that I can possibly get. Because no matter what you can use on the trailer you can use on your side by side you can use it on or whatever. So yeah, the biggest usually it's a I do know mine. Oh, you do? Yeah. What is it? It's a Matco. three eighths. I think it's an 18 or 20 inch handle. swivel head ratchet, dude. That's exactly what I was gonna say. On one. It's about the same size. Yeah, I use it for everything it is. It's my go to George and I've got when these things are on sale on the truck. I literally I've had them in my race cars for years. It's my favorite tool. So a sockets a socket, right? Like as long as it's fitting like sometime lug nuts are tight just in that whatever. Right? That socket wrench. It slays for me, and you can't get the locking head ones. I tried that right. You gotta get the one. That's cool. Yeah, but it has the teeth on it doesn't have like a kind of like has a little bit of bind. So it's full swivel. Nope, full swivel. So you can tighten it up if you want it real tight or loose. But yeah, like he said, you can get up in there and just kind of tilt it forward. It's yeah, all around ratchet. Mine does have the lockout on it on the top. You know, it's too so you can lock it out. Like if I pulled mine out. Nope. Because what I like about that is like if I'm trying to get with it and really crank you just need a little bit. Yeah, but that's where I was at too. So I'm like, I'm like the break loose guy. And then I go almost like T handle sound. Yep. So it's just kind of, Yep, there you go. John hoppers commented and said, snap on flesh cuts for Jim harder and John Hopper said to 10 millimeter 10. Well, it's hard to find that one eight millimeter T handle when you're racing dirt bikes was like the eight millimeter Chianti. You couldn't go better than that. Now that was the tool. Raising dirt bikes. The eight millimeter socket was my go to in high school was it? Well, multiuse, so yeah, I used to knuckle buster says here's a hammer. I don't know about that. Should we let Kurt be our mechanic is using a hammer to beat on shallows. The biggest one in the box. That's a dangerous one. So yeah, we can keep thinking about the tools as we go along. Because there's so many tools that we use and so like I said, thank you very much James, for letting us hang out at img motorsports, we have so many different things that are in in in these fab shops and stuff but how do we how do I want to say this? Like I want to talk about this stuff so that we can relate it to our audience right? So the guy that's gonna buy a UTV and go out and like have somebody work on it or build a cage for it or build you know, put tires and wheels on it or service it or whatever it is. Because a lot of these guys are already do it yourselfers like the guys that are obviously telling us their tools, right. But a lot of the people that watch the show too are newbies, and they have zero idea what we're going to be talking about so we kind of got to show them how it actually benefits their stuff too. So our campsite it's all about a legit pair of aircraft safety wire pliers. Reverse yeah have to be reversible with reverse. Yeah, otherwise you can't get them off. And if they're this big golf pitch um, I gotta be the small eight inch ones. Yeah, those are good. Yep. Did I remember those? Those are my favorite tools your bike racing too, because the grip wire? Yeah, yeah, you just get the grip wire all tight. Alright, so there are way more people behind the scenes in any race environment than anybody knows about, right. And this translates to being at shops and stuff, too. So let's just think about it from a brand new person's perspective. Let's just say it's my first time going into the racist, right and I see you out on the track or I see this rappers brothers out on track as a good example, in the UTV class. And I see that, that they're doing good. I'm gonna think, all right, this is cool. Like, I could get in a UTV and drive. I'm gonna go down to the dealership and buy it, but there's way more to it. There's a ton of people that support the drivers that are behind the scenes. Well, there isn't there isn't. James and I were actually just talking about this before the show went on. At the mint this year. The first met in December. So last year, we were sitting next to a group, they had virtually a brand new cam. And they had dumpkins, they had an impact. And they had their whole family, they're making sandwiches, and they were just out to have fun. It wasn't about finishing. It wasn't about you know, we're not going to race with the top dogs, but we're gonna go out and race the mint. And we're gonna have fun with it. And that's exactly what they did. See, those are really cool stories to talk about because like, off road racing has the whole echelon, right? And then you have like, let's just talk about like Lou grandi or Bryce like any of those McMillan's or Bryce Menzies programs, like, those are very high level programs, even this rappers program is really high level, right? And those programs are the top and most almost everybody right? is in the middle. It's like maybe like a third of the fourth to like, two thirds of the way up, right? Like, they're always in the middle, and especially with side by sides, right? So the more people that you can have usually the better because then you can have separate people in the pits and stuff. But you can do it exactly like what you're talking about me, let me but then on the other side, like maybe we should reverse engineer this and talk about it from a professional standpoint, and then go back to how you can do it on a family level. With a professional program, what's the usual setup? Right? You have, you know, to fuel you have a, what do they call it the pressurized systems? Well, so allegedly, they were kind of banned last year because of us. But we've been using them because they're not in the rulebook. So yes, the pressure Pro is generally for the higher echelon teams, right? But basically dumped power. So the reason that I'm bringing that up is because most people don't have that. Right. Right. So the tower that can fill like, let's just say 100 gallon trophy truck in 15 seconds or something. Yeah, so 80 gallons. Yeah, or whatever it is. Yeah, so those things are insane, right. And then you go all the way down to the manpower you have, let's just say three or four guys in every pit that has that capability. They have the tires, they have a tire changer guy, they have a guy looks over the car, they have all of these resources, right? And then you go all the way back down to what you're talking about with the people that are in the pits with just the family and friends making sandwiches and just looking over the car if they break down. Cool. That was the end of the race. Yep. But I want to understand a little bit more in my brain. What those benefits are for the actual drivers. At the high level, at any level, honestly. So I'll you want to go Jas, no, go ahead. I'll just speak for you know, my experience. I've been very fortunate to be able to race with the high Echelon teams. It's very different when you're at that level. It's it's fun, and it's exciting. And it's very Passion Driven. But it's also a job. It's like you are paid to perform and you have to perform. So what your job is, is you're basically going to see what race it is I have you know, let's say we have 15 Guys, and we're going to put our guys strategic where we think their strong suits are. So we'll send like five guys out to remote pit. Two of the guys there are like super good wrenches. The other three are going to help change a tire or whatever it needs to be. We'll send them a dump can and then we're going to have all of our other main people at the main pit. So we'll do generally we'll do like the fuel at the main pit which is like where all the trucks are at generally. On a sidenote, the reason best in the desert got mad at us is we were able to fill with my old race team with the pressure Pro which is a trophy truck system. We did 30 gallons and four and a half seconds. Yeah. So the whole the whole row watched us fill this car we are in stab out and then Every one just like, well, they can't use that. That's not fair. But well, and technically it is fair if you let everybody use it right, like, well, that's what I said. I said, if it's not the rules, anyone here can do it. So we're gonna keep doing it. And well, and everybody needs to follow the rules. But I think that's kind of besides the point in the discussion that we're having, but like those resources, like we just had a couple of comments come in Cali, Boise tech said that he's gonna raise them at 400 at one of the one of these times and he said that he also bought gas cans, eight gallons with the red dump nozzles on them. And that's similar to what you use. You can set up the twelves or the eight, the smaller are great, because if you only have one guy, or even some of the pits, right, it's having fire suit. So if you got one guy, you don't want to get D queued because me and you grabbed the can and we're just helping dump right right now you got guys with no aprons, or whatever their call is, you know, at whatever race organization. So the small ones I really like because it's also easy for some guy to fill. Yeah, exactly. Well, look at Callaway he's even talking about right now like he's saying that it's going to save him three to five minutes just using those instead of a regular just a fill can like we would use it the dunes, right, just the number five gallon thing also, and he's doing all the mathematics and he hasn't even gone to the races yet. That's pretty cool. Well, there's a bonus to that what James was saying, if you use a smaller can, depending on what course you're at, you know, lighter is always faster. So if you don't need a full tank of fuel, smaller cans gonna be the way to go. Yeah. And on a side note, even though the team I was with we've filled in for seconds or whatever, we still got people with beat by people with lung cancer, right doesn't have to be that level. And there's also, you know, with the big show can come, you know, big risk, big reward right for all these things. So if something goes wrong, and let's just say you don't have a dump on standby, and all the fuels in the tower, and whatever may have happened. I mean, it can go that way to restaurants. What's up man, desert, Webb says I prefer to be a pit crew member. I don't have the patience, or power in the driver's seat. That's actually one of the points I was going to bring up. So thank you very much for for talking about that. The there's a lot of people in the pits, let's just say that you're at a race and there's 300 drivers. Well, there's probably isn't exaggeration, but 1000 guys in the pits, right? Because there's that many more people ratio wise and all those people are helpers. They're good mechanics. Usually they're volunteers like, and they have a certain skill set. So that portion of it is insanely cool. Like I love that. I don't know how you guys feel about it. Yeah, I think it's great. I mean, when I go, I'll just use my experience from the 500. Right. We're getting fuel. And for us, which was a small group, you guys are on the other side of the mountains, I believe. And I'm getting fueled from my stepdad. Literally, my mom's hand me snacks. So this is family oriented, right? You've been in real there. But there was still I want to say seven people at Valley tea getting us ready for a crossover. Yep. And once again, small team, sometimes guys real big. Well, like you said, big risk. With big teams, you also get a big reward, but that big reward is so hard to reach. So you have this big mammoth team going down. And if you don't get that big reward, a lot of times it's a letdown. Yeah, there's a lot of resources that were used to be able to not achieve the main goal, right? Yeah, that's crazy. And then like with the family environment, which a lot of the people that are watching the show are gonna are going to use you know what I mean? Like if I was going to go down and race the Baja 500 right now or any race for that matter, doesn't matter where it is. It would be my family and my friends 100% And they would all help me out and I think that vibe is super cool because it not that the big teams don't have family and friends following them they don't they still have a good time and stuff but when you go down there you can always rest on that no matter what you went down you had fun with your family and then you went home even if you were didn't finish the race. Yeah, you know, there's something to be said for being at a lower level. It's it's a great place to be like I was telling James earlier. I so much love going to like a snow event or rage at the river or just a small local like district 38 race where it's all family. You don't see a semi truck, you don't see 100 Chase trucks and you don't see everybody with matching shirts and you know, blue camo pants like the old Pflueger days, it's every buddy is just there for their family. And that's what I mean if we really think about it, this whole off road racing thing is supposed to be fun, and it's supposed to be shared with your friends and family. So I actually enjoy that a lot more sometimes than going down with the big teams don't get me wrong, we have fun. But on a side note, I do enjoy the small teams just As much yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. Like, I was telling James one of the funnest trips that I've ever had was the Baja 500 With all KMC crew man, we had so much fun because we got to do so much cool little stuff that wasn't actually racing either, like But alright, so when you guys are gonna go down to the races like what's the actually let's do a comparison. So let's say that we're a family oriented team. Like what are you throwing in the back of the truck in the trailer to get down there? I mean, you've seen it, but we got the dump cans. We got five gallon cans because we didn't have enough dump cans. Spares sleeping supplies like spares you mean by spare tires? spare tires. Yeah, spare wheels and tires, spare parts. Couple toolboxes? You know just normal stuff. Honestly, just parts out of my garage. Nothing super special. Yeah, so you just take we'll call it the bare minimum Right? Like let's just say three or four belts for your car. If you have like an extra shock you bring an extra shock like wheels and tires. Anything like a weak link? I've had a problem with this before. I should take a spare. Yes. Axle steering rack in the truck. Yeah, like in the chase truck. But no shock. I've never had extra shocks. So yeah, you know, just just here kind of normal stuff. Stuff on the car that you're racing radius rods, obviously because you can clip Iraq but not not too much. And then so what's the difference then with a top level team, let's just say not even a trophy truck team, let's just say a top level UTV team. What is it? What are they bringing? I think some of these guys are you know, front deaths. Probably transmissions I've seen transmissions in trucks. steering rack, I think is a no brainer for most people to take that if you're using a stock one, you know, just to have an extra one shocks exhaust like stuff like that. Tr I think I've seen turbos on people's Chase trucks, suspension components. I would take everything I had if I had a spare anything. I had rear arms, front Arms front diff transmission you'd bring Yeah, the whole box trucks is full of spares. Well, Chuck over there a pro you go set a pro Eagle Jack would be nice too. Yeah, that would be Yeah, that's a good one. There was actually a pro Eagle jack on the last car I worked on. Oh, perfect. Yep, there you go. So and then aside from that, so if your UTV team like me and I'm wanting to go down there and race Baja 500 I would bring all my parts to that sounds good. Then what is it like a matte massive team like let's just say a Menzies or Nick milliners? Or as rob his team taken down there, which truck are we talking about? Let's just say a trophy truck. Oh, the Jace truck or the hauler or like so. Basically every Chase truck I don't know how many Bryce has or Luke probably has like four I think it basically has all your oils. It'll have a spare track rod tie rod, it'll have alternators starters. Each truck should have a dump can each truck should have a jack to impacts spare tires if I didn't already say that. Then little stuff like Crank Trigger sensors, you know, oh, two sensors. Oh, the $10 part that can take you out? $10 part. That's someone maybe not Luke's team because roadog I got you. Maybe they didn't zip tie the wire the right spot and it rubbed through or whatever. But yeah, it's always something stupid. We got a lot of comments coming in. Yeah, Kurt Meacham said pressure Pro. Let's see here. John Harper says splash apron pressure systems is inherently more dangerous. Yes. Very true. So that everybody needs to be safe out there. And Kurt said good knowledge people that get along with each other are an integral or even a lower for even a lower level team. So yeah, you can't have people fighting around. No man and I'll tell you an on top of that, bad vibe is a five killer you have to have just positivity and it doesn't have to be like Mr. I'm so positive. It's just like, hey, man, we had a problem. Let's fix it. Let's go. It's not what are we going to do? Just like kick the ground? I like off road is inherently not easy. Yeah. Problem Solvers every five seconds your solution? Exactly. So it's just no matter what happens it's always a good vibe without a good vibe. It's it's hard to succeed. Yeah. 100% Adam grinder said, yeah, just take a spare car if there's a way to do it, if you could do that I was gonna say and that was cheat code on our part. So like, we were talking about what we had in our truck. Yep. We also did have the other truck with the donor car on Yeah, exactly. We kind of sorry, which we did use the donor car. Oh, we had to Yeah, yeah. Hot Shoe. Our boy Ryan Edwards. Down here. but we're not gonna go down that road. Okay, so and then Bobby says, Barbie chicken. So what about money? lol Yeah, and all of this stuff does cost money. So that's kind of where we're going. When we're having these open discussions, we're talking about the top level teams, right? They just have resources on resources. And then we're talking about somebody like me, who would maybe just on the first time, go down there and race the Baja 500, which I would love to do one of these days, but it does cost money on like, you're saying, Bobby, so we're going to kind of go through all that stuff. And then at the end, you can decide you know, how much it's going to take for you to be able to do it. Good is better than perfect, is what John Harper said. So a lot of times, that is actually a really good statement, right? Because you're not going to have shit be perfect out in the middle of the desert. No, and I think Ricky Johnson put it best in that dusty glory movie, where he's talking over with that one dude, who's changing the rear tires slower is faster. If you just get it done, you'll make up exponentially down the road. Yeah, I could definitely agree with that. So we're taking pretty much everything we can down there. And then so how many people are we loading up to go on my first Baja 500 race? Like, what can we do? Like, is there a bigger wallet? Well, because we got rooms? We got Chase trucks. Are we going to pre run? That's a good that's an open ended question. Yeah. And then so what and how many volunteers can take off the certain amount of work? Yeah, in full. Here's the thing. Your volunteers all have to have a sweatshirt and a shirt. Yeah, that says you're in a race team. Yep. So there's that. Exactly. Work for free. That's Coors Light and T shirts. Coors Light and swag. Tacos. Yeah, tacos. Do you know how expensive tacos gets for the whole team? Dude? I don't ask. Ask Edwards. We're gonna have as KMC guys. Our camp. Yeah, the guy that won class 10 at the Baja 1000. Last year had one Chase truck and a guy to fuel. That's it. Yeah, so can be done. There's a possibility but like, my chances are pretty slim. Right? I feel like that's luck is totally on that dude side. Well, here's the thing. Adam granary works for beer? What? Beer is always good too. I always say what's your end game? Like? Are we here to compete, or we're here to have fun. Right? Right. Because if we're here to compete, bust out the wallet because it's gonna take a lot. If we're gonna go out and have fun, we want to finish the race, hope for the best expect the worst, have my family with me. You can do it fairly inexpensive. That's gonna probably be my vibe. If I go down and ever do the Baja 500. There's nothing wrong with that vibe. I kind of liked that was the way to, I think it's a way to makes my heart smile. Well, here's a story that it's real short. This is a perfect example of not having a huge Chase team was in a class one. We're in Mexico. And I got a flat and we were out in the middle of nowhere. No team, nothing. So I get out, I throw the impact out and I'm starting to change the tire. And I look over and someone's bringing me the tire. And I look up and there's two dudes hopped out of the bush pulled the tire off the car for me wheeled it over, I put it on and I just gave him the tire. Cut my tire chain time and half night was gone. So it's just two random guys, you random guys in Mexico. So that's exactly why I say you can do it with nothing. Those are my guys. It was good. I'm gonna go real quick because I had the same scenario me and Cody Raiders. Were coming through humble down. They're bringing it home for the 500. And it's like three in the morning or something. Yeah. blows a rear axle. Oh, we clipped something whatever, you know, you're the actual slap and I'm like, Okay, next. All right. So I get out and I'm going at it. We have no lights with us. Right? We might have had a phone or something. I don't know a small light. And here comes this dude out of the bush. thing always matters. And I'm like, you kind of catches me off guard, you know? What's he want? You know, and he's like, ah, and he starts getting after it with me. And probably cut the time in half to change the rear axle on the razor head. Where it's so dark out there two dudes with skills just popping out of the bushes. I think he was like, pumped on whatever tool something and I'm like, keep it just have it. It's all human. Yeah, that's sick. It was so sick that and so those are like the stories that like I mean, if you're a professional team, those things still happen right? But those are the stories that really mean a lot. Like I love those things when they when they come about. So what are my chances of actually finishing a race if it's just like this class 10 car if I got to a chase truck and one or two dudes with me, it's no matter how it's just you never give up. Just keep going and going. Keep going. My wife's first Baja 1000 was a 36 hour race for me. Rip the right front of the car. We fab new tabs down there and 36 hours but we finished right before they closed the gate. Kudos. It's all about how much you put in it. That's pretty badass man. So as all those stories make me feel like and we talked to one of the crew members on the SMG motorsports crew, the formal parts crew that I was down in San Felipe, his name is Tommy, he's a Mexican dude. And he lives down there in Mexico and he raised his class 11 I forgot what he said, but He's competed in the Baja 1000. I don't know how many times like, let's just say 30 times 20 times like, and he's basically finished them finish them all. And like he was one of the guys on the forefront. You know, there's a I think they're called tracks or something. There's little boards that you put see on the back looks tracks. No, they're not the tires. I call them stuck. Sticks. Sticks. Yeah, they're the boards that you just like is a call maxtrax company anyway. So anyways, what they used to do back in the day is they would get like a two by four. And they would flip beer because they drink beer. They flipped the beer cans, the beer bottle caps upside down, and they'd screw in the beer bottle caps into the board. And then so they have their max tracks on a two by four. And just drive out on the beer bottle cap. That's good idea. So like all of those things are like resourceful, right, like and super cool because they were able to I mean, they've completed so many by 1000s. I mean the dude, he could tell you any single trail down there. It's crazy. Well, it just goes back to what you said with problem solving. Yeah, I have a problem. What am I going to do to figure it out with the tools I have insanely good problem solvers, and they can find fruit on any cactus down there in Mexico. So that's pretty cool. Let's see here, Sean says, Keith. Remember grandpa Dick did the Baja and Ron in the 240s Z from the fast junkyard they always went for the fun, not the wind. So that's actually my mom. Oh, cool. My grandpa dick. The whole reason I got into fabrication was the Datsun My grandfather was huge Datsun guy back in the days and they would race rally all that stuff. Yeah. Oh, 1002 40 z. So they were the ones that taught you to be a MacGyver? Well, unfortunately, no, but I didn't have the great super close with my grandfather until he was older. But yeah, that's cool. John Harper said, Yeah, Chase last year in 1000, with one of the RS one challenge teams, five people with to chase trucks and use BFG. Pit. So let's talk about that, too, because we just talked about this on the offered the history of off road show with Bob Bauer. And we talked about a lot of the stuff that BFG does. I mean, BFG is integrated are literally into the desert in Mexico, right? So if I am going down there I can utilize their services to Yeah, so what do they do if I want to go down there? Can I just say real quick, before we get into that. There's a reason I bought a Ford truck. Yeah. And there's a reason I put KMC wheels on it. And there's a reason I put VFDs on it. And it's because all of those companies support our industry. 100%. So just going nice. Thank you very much for doing that. Cam. Cam see, well, you know, we love Rhino. Yeah. I'm sorry, going back to that question. So like, if I'm going down there, and it's again, my first Baja 500 How can I utilize the BFG stuff? Oh, pft is great dude. BMT is great. So basically, you just sign up to be on their thing, you have to run BFG tires, obviously, which I think you should. But they strategically, they generally mark the course in Mexico, and then they'll strategically set up a semi, where you can give them dump cans, you can give them tires, you can give them whatever you want. So when you roll in there, you just radio in like five miles ahead, hey, I'm coming in, they'll have all that stuff out for you. And hopefully there's no line. So you can just roll in, they'll change your tires or give you fuller, whatever you need. And then you're off and you don't even need a chase crew there. That's pretty sick, though, right? It's epic. And plus, like, let's just say I do have my Chase crew or James like, when we were chasing you guys in the 500. And you had to stop in the median, like or in between wherever we were at you could hit them up. Yeah. Or if let's say you're having a car difficulty, I don't know. You know, these cars can go into limp mode or overheat, whatever it may be. You can pull in and and you got generator and lights, you know, maybe another set of hands. Yeah, totally. All right. So and then I want some of the people that are watching the show right now to BFG pit books. And Access Notes are priceless. Yeah, totally. So yeah, Robert, we talked about that. And Bob Bauer showed me some of the I should have brought him some of the old books that he actually made. Like he drew them up like with the path I'm so sick of ours, a savage who he is, man. But yeah, so one of the things that I want to talk about that I had such a good time was being part of the crew when you and Ryan Edwards went down there and raced and at the Baja 500 I thought it was fantastic. So with not your racer hat on, like what makes you want to be a crew guy instead of a racer? I think that's a really important question. It's just experience Man and being in. Let's just put it this way like, I don't know if you got a free ride to go down to Mexico eat tacos chase a truck around hanging out in in Sanada or San Felipe? Yep. And, dude, I mean, even you know, when I've been chasing for Ryan or other people like just doing the crossover in the chase trucks cool, you know, a new experience here or there, you know, you're talking about the crossover. It's like this mountain range that you go over, it's got steep sides, like just a dirt road, and you can cruise over. It's pretty cool. Like, it's almost like four wheel drive. And while you're chasing, yeah, and then you also learn, like you said, you know, like BFG with notes in and out, like, you learn more of the Peninsula in Mexico, you know, and this does transfer over to like Loughlin to write or some parts. Just knowing where you're at. So let's say if you are in the car and you break down, you know, hey, I'm right here. I know where there's an access road out of here. You know, yep. There's there's a lot to learn, man and what a great experience like beats being at home for the weekend. Yeah, cuz you get all the behind the scenes stuff, right? I thoroughly enjoy hanging out with good people down in Mexico. It's a great time. And even if even if it's not Mexico, I mean, even like, let's just say Vegas, or Reno or wherever it is. Yeah, it's if it's something you love to do, let's take off road out of it. If it's anything you love to do, like people go buy a Harley, they hang with the Harley guys they get dirt bikes, dude, I loved riding my dirt bike with my bros. i Every weekend, we go somewhere, it's the same thing. So go and experience something like the Baja 1000 or the 500. With your friends on replaceable. Yeah, 100%. And there's a lot of guys that keep coming back for more, right. I know, like, well, let's just put Scanlon and motorsport Ford's group in the formal parts, guys. They have a lot of guys that just come every single time they go down to Mexico or wherever it is like to they did it at Koh they do it to all these places. So these guys just love being there. Right. And I think my question was a little bit more along the lines of the personality maybe that, that you have to be a crew guy instead of a racer. And I don't want to say it's different because those guys love racing no matter what it is, right? But like we just received a comment that just came through Bryce Menzies. What's up, man, hope you feel better. So me now I know that I'm better in a position behind the scenes, right? That doesn't mean that I don't want to race like I can go out there and still, we'll I could probably help do a Baja 500 or whatever it is. But I'm, I feel important behind the scenes, is that why some people choose to be in that position. I did. I gave up my trophy truck seat. Kind of unwillingly. But in the end, I realized hey, man, I'm getting older. actually enjoy just being in the pits chasing. I enjoy that more than the level of trophy trucks is at right now is so extreme, like, like Bryce's co dog. Oren is savage, I couldn't do his job anymore. Back in the day, I struggled with it, you know, trying to be the best because you have to be the best. And I don't think I could do that anymore. So I enjoy being a chase guy now and, and crew chief or whatever it is. I just enjoy it. Yeah, that is pretty cool. And then like, and I feel like that too. And like everybody has their position. Right? And that's one of the questions. Good transition. Actually. Mila is like when you have any of these things, even if it's your family, let's just say it's Mom, Dad, brother, sister, you driving and you have a co driver or one of your buddies, right? Or you have a top level team, it's always important to have a structure in what people are going to do. Right? So maybe explain a little bit more about that. Like, because James, you have a structure in everybody that's around you. Yeah, like so and then. Mila you tell us to. I mean, I think that it's I don't know if I'm going backwards to to the other question, but, you know, while you're chasing, I've I've just sat in the back of Chase trucks with dudes right with two dudes that these guys are not racecar drivers they're chasing it's a whole nother race. Right? You know, like Vegas Torino. That's true sometimes. And I've done it once again from my buddies hauling us with a trailer on the back you know truck on the chip 99 debt at that at that I don't even know where I'm at in the middle of that desert, you know of Death Valley in trying to get to beat them to a pit you know, so there's this whole nother set of you know, program and rules that kind of flies with those guys in and there's guys that are strong at that. Yeah, those guys are like Dude, I got this. Yeah, and I've sat in the truck with those guys and I'm like, holy cow these guys No, it's It's literally logistical racing on the sidelines. Yeah, it is a whole nother piece to that stronghold motorsports. What's up, man? How are you? So yeah, so going back then, when you have like that setup, and those guys are I don't know what you want to call What made that fierce, right? Like they're that good at chasing passion? Yeah. Passionate, right? Like, how does the structure work though? Do you say alright? You know, Bo, Larry and Tom, like, you each have your own position, you're gonna fuel you're gonna drive the truck, you're gonna look over the car, like, how does it work the best if I'm gonna direct my family when I go down there to raise my first Baja 500? You got me on that one? Well, I think that depends on what everyone's kind of bringing to the table. Yeah, well, I've seen it specifically in your crew. Like, let's just say like, Chuck and your mom. And you know, you said your mom was handing you sandwiches. And then you know, Chuck's looking over the car. Maybe subi Mike has fuel in the car, you know, like, so everybody knows what they're going to be good at. But like, how does that happen for the first timers? Because you've done it a few times very scarily. Yeah, sometimes it just, you know, throw it in the hat. I mean, even I've seen do random rock favorite. Dudes fill in the car, right where you're like, it's a car full. Yeah. But it just depends, I think on circumstance and where you're at, well, hopefully you can get like a core group of guys, right? Like, when I used with Tesco in the early mid, mid to the anyways, 2008 ish. We had a core group of guys, and every time you had these guys come you knew, Okay, this dude's feeling this dude is going to do this. You already have it set up. But if you don't have that, you kind of have to have a right hand, man. Because if you try and do yourself a crew chief, while the crew chief needs the right hand, man, or if it's just the crew chief stuffs gonna get dropped through the cracks. It always does. Because the crew chief can't do everything. He has to rely on somebody to help him. Yeah, especially when there's a problem, especially when there's a problem because the crew chief can't What if he's like 25 miles up the road. And there's a problem with the pit. He's got to turn around and come back if he's got a right hand man to maybe steer the circus when he's not around. But yeah, like James says, You just sometimes you just wing it. You're like, Yeah, I'll do this. I'll try it. I have no guarantees. But uh, so I know there's a lot of winging it. Like when you're down there. And then that's a position that everybody takes on, right? Like, if you can't figure it out, you got to figure it out. You got to figure out how to figure it out. Like but Well, Adam just said here, like chasing can be more dangerous than racing. But it's very important to have a chase meeting. Oh, 100% or some sort of logistical percent. Right. So let's say right, we did that for the Baja 500. Right. So what's the normal move when you go to a desert race? For you guys? I mean, I'm, we're pretty loose, right? Like, we went to the 500. This, this and that. And like, we kind of threw together a game plan. i This is where the chase strux are going. I don't think you're giving yourself as much credit as you should. But let's keep going with the loose part. Well, we didn't win, so let's not get too hefty in the credit. I just think that it kind of fell into place for us like we do have, you know, for our buddy Damien. We literally call him the fueler, but he doesn't roll with us to Mexico, right. But in the minute, whatever, you know, he's always there. So that's cool, right? He's got like his delegated thing, you know? Yep. And I think that sometimes that takes time to find the right person. You know, you can also go down there is a, let's say, Mom and Pop race group. Well, you're not going to pick the little sister. That's eight years old. Car, right. But I've also gone down there with groups, and there's just too many people. Yeah, don't have direction. So, so much. Holy crap. Yeah. You know, herding cats, right? Yeah. So I think that can cause an issue too. So I think you need to group them up and trucks right? Let's say you have four trucks and be like, Okay, you fiber here, you fiber here, you fiber here. And it's based on what their skill level is, like we're talking about, and then you're like, okay, like a veteran and then an amateur and then two guys in between. Exactly. And then at the pit meeting, generally, people are rolling into the race. Generally, the pit meeting is right before dinner the last night before, you know because you got to keep all those cats herded in because generally, if you're in Vegas, you got to keep them for race day. Yeah. So right before race day, make sure not get it twisted, right. Because race morning, which I can't say I haven't done it totally hungover. And then you'll be like, Okay, you're gonna go to pit one, you're gonna do pit three, and then you kind of just break down the race for the pit crews per truck. Not not necessarily per person, because sometimes you want to let the truck divvy up their jobs. You'd be like, Okay, well, you need to be a bit three. Managing it right, because then then that kind of builds a little camaraderie in the truck. And kind of build a hierarchy. Yeah, this dude knows his stuff. Maybe I should listen to him. And then when they get to the pit that dudes like the pit Captain per se, Pit Boss, yep. And then they'll get it they'll just get it done. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. AirDog you bring up a good point give the heli crew tacos when refueling I can definitely go With that one John actually said roles and responsibilities should be discussed before you leave so no one's surprised but have to be adaptable when shit hits the fan too. Yeah, so I think that's pretty much what you're saying right now. Mila Yeah, it's well just goes back to using the tools you have to problem solve. paradoxes. Yeah, stay away from hogs and heifers before the race sometimes you lose a guy or two the night before the race to like in Mexico. Yeah, guys get sick or whatever like the club too hard. You know what I'm saying? They should they should mandatory close Paris and now table for a race. Yeah. It should, right. But you're right, though. Like that is true. And it doesn't like as much as we make fun. Like the guys are partying too hard, like stuff does get bad, right? Like, maybe some dudes gotta go home because there was an emergency or maybe some dude get sick, like, whatever happens, you have to Yeah, you have to be able to have everybody else on board be able to switch and manage those positions too. It really makes me just talking about this makes me feel more comfortable with doing all this stuff. So maybe if I have an opportunity, I won't just bring my family I'll bring some more my friends and stuff like that. Everybody's gonna want to go because they're gonna want to have a good time, right? How do I filter out the people that I don't want to go and the people that do want to go? Let's just say I have 10 People need to pick five people needing it the grid pit meeting. So check it out. When I grew up. Let's see. Growing up. Daily birds Yeah, the class one car. Yeah, he lived next door, my boys Spencer and chase the mine and keep twins k. So those guys like one. I don't know if it was Thursday night or Wednesday night. But there was that crew was there. And it was solid on that Wednesday night, whatever they were prepping or doing, you know, drills and meetings. And I mean, some guys go to the line as well, like so unprepared. And I'm not going to take myself out of this because I've been in a scramble a few times. I think all of us like it's a tough road with the harnesses even set up, right? And you're like, Oh, my God, like now you got to do the whole thing. Right? So the more you can put out front in preparation to do it, you know, I think is the best bet. And I think you'll know, you'll be like, Oh, this dude hasn't talked to me in like six months, but he's thinking a free ride to Mexico. I don't think he should go. Yeah, that's a good point. Right. And yeah, as you can just filter it all out. Adam says that he they pitted right behind Tesco. And they had 14 Guys for TT team and had three TTS hit that pit, the truck teams combining of the three trucks that hit that pit. Also, Rob Mack was in that pit. So you can share resources, clearly 100%. So that's a really good thing to talk about. So let's just say again, this is my first Baja 500. I don't know that many racers. You know what I mean? I don't really understand, well, maybe when I go to tech and contingency. I'll throw it out there to a couple of people and say, hey, you know, like you're an experienced team. Can you give me some advice? Or can you tell me what you think would be good? And then depending on how that conversation goes, and I can say, Oh, well, where are you guys gonna pick, we might just pick kind of near you just in case we need some help. Or we're gonna pit in the opposite spot that you guys are, and maybe we could share some resources. You guys can borrow my team? And I'll borrow your team. Right? Like, those are pretty important. Right? Well, it's that is very important. But it's also important who you do that with, because there's been times where we've done that with people. And they're like, Yeah, you know, if you need anything, we'll help you out. And then as soon as their car goes through, like later, we're like, Dude, we need help. We're like, oh, we gotta chase our truck. We're like, Okay, well, you know, improvise here. So there is that but there's also like, Baja pits, you know, not super expensive. outfits that they're like BFG or disco, and they do the Bob Pitts is really a bike guy guy. They started out doing a lot of bike guys. So UTVs I'm sure they do a lot of now so you could do that also. Yeah, I was gonna say in you know, you guys are on the BFG topic but same like checkers is still rolling. I haven't seen fair but checkers Yeah, that somebody said Max seven Max seven. There's there's plenty of those guys. Yes, guys are great. Yeah, that's awesome. You know, throwing I think it's a small amount of money really, for what you're doing. It's a steal. I know Carlos he, he runs us wheel down in San Diego. He runs Baja PIDs. He's a great dude. And he doesn't make money on it. He just does it for the passion. He's like, this is basically just covering my guys food, some fuel for us. And maybe a day missed work. I've been stuck in one of their pits. It I don't know. 130 in the morning or so eating cheeseburgers. And I was so stoked. Yeah. He's very alive. Did anyone see me he was grilling. me really? Killer. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. All right. So let's talk about a since we can't Then went over that a little bit like I feel like I have a decent amount of confidence in the way that I'm going to operate this program. But now I gotta go back and I got to talk with a person like James or maybe you to help prep the car to get a vehicle like I just bought this vehicle at the dealership like I don't know what to do now. Did you get a warranty? Pro Tip Get the warranty. But yeah, like I just bought the vehicle at the dealership. What the fuck do I do now? Like where am I at? Like, how do I get this car set up to go to Baja rulebook? Okay, so you get a rule book, the first thing you got to do, and then where am I going to find the rulebook? I'm gonna go the website and then I need to figure out do I drop off the rulebook with a builder? Like where do I find these builders? And like, how do I do this? Well, depends from what it sounds like if you have a player she called James and he hooks you up. Yeah, well, James works on all the cars, but here's, he's not a big YZ fan though. Just the Polaris guy. Big. There's a ton of shops and you know, to be completely transparent, my favorite and I've said this before, probably on the show. My favorite car I've ever seen was Brandon Sims. 16 Turbo two seater. That was a good it had like a bolt on cage with door bars welded through it to pass tech window nets. And probably the first like Harmon underneath the seat. Yes, that was just for, you know, making it through. So I follow the rulebook. I put a fuel cell in it and I talked to dude, it's so cool to see that well, and now they have the like the rally class, right? So if I was not wanting to race against the pros, and I'm going down there just to have fun and finish the race, right, I could race in a rally class. So if I look through the UTV magazine, or go online, and I find a shop, preferably James's shop, and I drop off the car, what do I need to get done to it to be able to go race in the rally class down there? On JL audios, I think is the get go right? Yeah, slap some of those in there. I'd be having a good time. What's the one the wakeboard tower one? Yeah, those are loud to you could probably hear those for your helmet, like just crank the whole time you're going through Mexico, I think you want to just start with, I get it all the time. So we'll just use the orange car here. For my buddy Mikey. This is a race car. It was built to be the Pro Stock score class. Okay, so that's like the rally class. And yes, okay. Mike CAFO did this last season. So it's honestly got the stock OEM arms on it created ball joints, you know, and then all the safety additives plus a fuel cell because you got to get through some, you know, mileage So, and it's not that I mean, it doesn't lit looks almost stocked. Like it looks like I could just get in that car, you know, with a couple of modifications and get it done. I mean, you don't have to go extravagant, like the big mega seats in it. Which are really bitchin, you know, but and yeah, and then, so Callie Boise tech, he said, a lot of the family teams are actually building the cars themselves. And that's actually that's the that's the approach that I took even when I was racing professional, you know, Lucas short courses that we built all of our own cars, we had guys come to help us like I had guys come in to help us weld and like certain things that I wasn't good at or perfected that. But I would do everything by myself because I just didn't have the budget, right. And I wasn't looking to go get more budget, I was just looking to complete the job. So well, there's something to be said for that too. Because when you work on your own stuff, when it goes bad, you're like, Oh, I got this figured out, because I know how this goes together when you don't know how to work on your own stuff. And you're paying James right to do it for you. And it's great. We love it. But when it all goes bad, you might need to know a little bit about it. Yeah, exactly. And then so going on that same note, like you follow the rulebook, you build the car, you get in all these things. And there's so many details that I want to make sure that everybody understands like the rulebook is very important, like very, very important because there's you got to read every single little line like if you're just going to CliffsNotes through it, you're gonna miss them. So you got to read every single line and go through it with a fine tooth comb and it doesn't matter what class you race if you're racing the trophy truck all the way down to the dirt bike class. Like you got to have it like dialed in Bill savage let you know too. Yeah, exactly. And you do not want to be down at the races, whether it's a state side race, like John Hopkins was saying, you know, do a state side race first or a race down in Mexico. You don't want to be at the starting line going Oh shit. Now I can't raise like you want to get it done first. So what about like, if I build a car myself, Should I have somebody check it over? Should I have somebody look at it like, what's the best way for me to go into this event? I would pre tech knowing what I know. Now, in the amount of these cars I built and then sent someone on their way. They get banged around in tech, because whatever may happen where usually you can get through there and go, Hey, you know what? We missed this, we forgot something. Oh, it wasn't an updated rulebook we had last year's printed, maybe we'll fix it on the next go around. But I see a lot of people just get pummeled. Yeah, because they can't talk their way through it. I was just gonna elaborate on that. It's when I go through tech, and this is a tip for everybody. You start with a joke, right? You set the tech guy off with a smile or a sandwich or as Coca Cola and they know it's a bribe. But if you go in there with a smile on your face and happy go lucky. Hey, man, what's up? Oh, long day, blah, blah, blah, great welder. If they're smiling, they're less likely to go dude, you're not going to you're not going to if you if you go in there like dude, I just paid all this money and blah, blah, blah. And you start getting huffy. They're like, No, you're really not going through. Don't be the dickhead and tech ever. No matter what race you go to. Even if you're raising a bicycle, don't be a dick. I've skated and I'm not gonna say anybody's sanctioning bodies, but I've skated through tech just by making the dude laugh. So take it for what it's worth. But that's just a good way to be in life. Right? Be bailing. 17 says, What's up, Mila? What's up, Brandon? Yeah, so I'm feeling a little bit more confident now that I got this, this car bill, and I'm getting ready to go to my first race. I need to make sure I have all the extra parts. Like James said, I need to have some extra tires and all that stuff. What do I do when I'm going down there? Like actually, you know, what, what do I do at the pre meeting that I'm having? In my local area with all my guys, I take them to dinner, you know, a week before the race or whatever? Do I say? You're bringing your truck John? Steve, you're bringing your truck we're putting 10 tires on this one. We're putting three tires in this one. Like how do I do that? Like, where am I going with all this stuff? Because I think we don't have Chase trucks. We just got days with pickups to use with pickups. I think it's more or less Hey, man, you want to use my truck? I could do this. Then you're like, Okay, well, can we do this with your truck? I'd like to put 30 tires on it or whatever you want to throw in there. And then you're like, Okay, so now this dude said, Okay, what about bill? This bill is Bill, are you okay with me running this in your truck? And are you okay, taking your truck down the scary roads through St. contine. All the way down through? What's the border? Well, we're halfway down. We have to have a visa. South. Guerrero negro. The roads through granary? Are you okay with taking your truck down through Grenada? Oh, if he says okay, well, then we're gonna throw all your stuff down there, too. Got it. So it's more or less an agreement? If they're willing to do that with their vehicles, because the roads down there can get really gnarly. Yeah, dude, those gets so gnarly down south? Well, yeah, so just divvy it up. And kind of just like, manage whatever you can with the people that you haven't Well, 100% and put the best people you know, in the best situation like, let's say Bob has been down there 10 times he's familiar with Mexico but doesn't know it. You don't want to send Bob out in the middle of, you know, remote pit 3015 miles down a dirt road off of a highway in the middle of nowhere, you want him to be kind of around a group of people like your town, that's a really good thing to bring up to. Because no matter who you're with, or what race you're at, there's always going to be bad cell phone coverage no matter where it is. So it's not like you can just open up maps and get out of there. And not everyone has an M set exactly. So you have to know where you're at. And you have to have good understanding of north south east or west or the sunrises and sunsets. Like all of you heard, like, rudimentary skill sets, right? Well, generally what we'll do is if a guy brings his truck we'll set up a small GPS with the course map in there for him, you know, just kind of zip tie it in or whatever he needs in his daily so it'll have a course map on there so he can kind of see okay, if I get to this race mile, I might be able to take that road out to access it or whatever. So I kind of have a little guidance. Mani boys actually brought up a really good point go shake the car down first. Yeah, that's a good point, too. Yeah, but it is a Polaris. So I mean, no problems right. time allows. Yeah. And Manny. So that's so Manny, that's actually one of the one of the questions that we have here is like, no matter what happens, everything that you do will always be last minute. It doesn't matter. If you start a year in advance, you will still have something to do the day before the race. It makes no difference what you do, sometimes, sometimes all of us kidding. Just kidding. 99% of the time all the time. It depends on how structured the team is a team like Bryce's you'll never see Bryce go down with a half assed job no never ever happens but I've seen Trophy Truck teams that will go down to and Sanada and mount the body in and Sonata because they're that far behind. Yeah, not naming names. But that does happen though. It happens man and there's a lot of the side by side guys especially me if I'm brand new, right? I don't know all the boxes to check. I literally have no idea. This is gonna be my first time I go down there right like, so I'm kind of just winging it all the way around. So all of the tips that you hasn't given me an awesome first of all, everybody that's joining the show has really given a lot of good tips too. But I get the car shake, shaken down, kind of get ready to go. And then get everybody set up the week before, I think I'm feeling pretty good to get down there. But I also don't have all the confidence because I've never done it checklists, man. So sometimes, like when I was crew chief for the last team, I'd be laying in bed and everything's cool. Write that down, because the next morning, I could forget to put that on the truck or could forget to do that. So on my phone, I actually, it's in my pocket. But I have a race checklist of everything. I need to have no Chase truck before it leaves do that's such a good thing to have. Yeah, so we had like prep sheets, we had setup sheets, we had checklists, we had everything. And we had a structure in our team that you would go through the checklist every single time the vehicle entered or exited the track, right. And one person signed off on it. And then another person had to sign off on what they did. Yeah, so there's always double checking the checklist, right? So there was it was just throughput, throughput, throughput. So no matter what happens, somebody was always accountable. And that doesn't mean that you have to be like that. You don't have to structure it like perfect like that. But But The more organized you are, the more it helps you cross the finish line. You know, it made me think of something we were talking about the BFG book, someone said that they're priceless. But with that BFG book, every Chase truck should have a let's say pit book, and it's got the registration, the insurance, it's got the checklist of everything that's on the truck, it's got, hey, this truck coming through, could possibly have let's just say a loose tie rod by this mile, or Ken Ham or whatever players. It takes a seven sixteenths wrench or whatever I'm paraphrasing, but maybe some tips to help you get to that part on the car with what you need. So it can go on down the road. That's actually a really good point to bring up. So there was a few times when we were chasing James and Ryan down in the Baja for the Baja 500. And we actually had to wait until we had radio communication with James to understand what we needed to do because he had the knowledge inside the car in the driver's seat that we didn't have in the truck. So he would say we need this tool to do this job at this you know whatever pitstop or whatever it was, so it wouldn't it would have been cool had we had that information beforehand. Not that every single situation be figured out beforehand, but the checklist would have definitely helped but from what I know a common problem on the on the UTV is is axles, right? Okay, so to change an axle, boom, here's your checklist. You need these tools. And this is the sequence to do it. Yeah, super good for anybody. I guess. It'd be like a Haynes manual for UTV and the racecourse. Dude, that's that's a good point to bring up. So I've seen like dudes like Caden Danbury, one of our good friends, youth, Blair's razor driver. He actually practices at his house with his family, like with his dad, like changing axles or doing those things or has people come over and like practice filling it and like doing all that super smart. So they do practice runs of all drivers smart. It's cool, especially because he's a kid, right? Yeah, super smart. Let's see, John Hubbard said Yeah, racing tracks is actually great for chasing too. I haven't used that. Have you guys know, I remember back in the day, which I think it was black and white. Back then we had aI on Earth. And we had these little they were like little, almost like iPads. And you'd follow the truck. But then you could it had like little roads and stuff. You could you could follow but what's the usual thing they feel the chase truck guys lead nav is phenomenal. Use it. I have used it. Yeah. They're pretty good. It's, it's cool because it's simpler. You know, you can use it on your cell phone or the iPad. Yeah. You can have that. There's an added antenna antenna, right? Yeah, if you want to use the pucker so so one of the things that we did on one of the Trophy Truck teams is we had the regular fish finder, the Lawrence and then we put the lead nav on an iPhone and it has audio so it'll tell you the turns so that takes half the job off the CO dog so he can also give you turns but not have to give you every single turns he can monitor everything around. Oh so he could take a break and look at vehicles stuff or and then still have the audio they're calling turns or straights or whatever you put into the lead now that you want to call. Yeah, that's pretty sick. I never knew it did that. Dude, the guys in the Trophy Truck fields right now. It's just obscene. What we're doing what they're doing. I'm not doing any more. I want to see some of that stuff. Alright, so going on that same subject, then Mila is like what does it take? Actually, let's let's not use the trophy truck as an example, but we'll go on the same kind of path here is what does it take to get my UTV on the racecourse? Like am I setting up six months in advance? Am I going a year in advance? Like I think you gotta get a game plan and this is what I always say cuz you know back when dust the glory came out, the very next ball went out wasn't, there was like a million dirt bikers like everyone wanted to do the Baja 1000 It was crazy. But what xx coolest thing? Yeah, because everyone saw it. They're like, Oh, I can do it. I can be mouse McCoy. And it was a show. So anyways, what I recommend, this is just me my own personal opinion, I would pick short races in the States, okay, because the Baja, even the best prep. multimillion dollar teams have problems and Baja, but they'll come to the States and just wax the course like it's nothing. It's the craziest thing because everything that you don't think it's going to happen in Baja happens in Baja, to get some experience driving the car and knowing the car and knowing the characteristics and knowing the weak points and knowing my hardcore crew that I can count on. I suggest doing a couple states races, whether they're big or small, just to get the feet wet. And then you're like, Okay, I want to do the 500 or the 1000 or whatever. That's my opinion. I think that's like, what do you think James? John said the same thing there is? You know, I don't want to take away from the question, because I agree 100% With that, you know, like, using the side by sides, growing with these, you know, grassroots Racing motocross tracks, then works racing, go into like the DPW for stuff even recently, like smaller, you know, so develop the skill set before I go down, but you have the skill set, right? I mean, old factory, let's Yeah, let's let's take my skill set out of the equation. Let's just pretend I'm Joe from, you know, hobby by buying a thing at the dealership, because that's truthfully what I want to explain to a lot of the people that are watching the show, because they're gonna have questions that I already know the answers to. And I want to pretend like I don't know the answer right now. So I think, genuinely. And I've really never, I mean, I've done you know, Laughlin races and stuff that are somewhat desert races, but I've never raced like, and I only completed I think three miles of Silverstone 300. So it wasn't very good until the car burned down. But it's no good. Let's just say that. I do want to take your guys advice. What race am I going to in the United States? Oh, raged at the River all the way register? Is that the good one? I lowered the river. Where's that? It's a good time. It's in Laughlin, Laughlin. Okay. But it's like the end of the year. Everyone's just wearing down the prep they left on their truck. It's families. I mean, every now and again, you'll get a couple big dogs that are just burning off their prep. I'm coming in with my brand new whip dude, that ing motorsports was built. Yeah, rage at the rivers a good time. It's how many miles is fair? Um, I think it's our fifth year. So it's four laps. The 40 mile laps. Okay, so 140 No, I'm thinking mid 2000 I don't remember now. It's like, down to like 80 Yeah, it's it's not a lot but it's a good time. So it's 100 Miles is a 6200 miles. Laughlin but that wouldn't be a good one though. Right? Because I would still have to pit I would not suggest that as a first. All right. Where am I going then j is gnarly but fun. I think like and I don't like Laughlin anyways but one of the I think more is doing like a night race maybe this next month something like that. Well I Boise tech said ama district 30 811 of the district races those guys are having fun doing that. You know, but yeah, the DP four stuff, the legacy stuff if your game is to go race in Mexico, then get it all out here because Mexico is just so nasty. It literally I don't know. You up and spits you out? Like I can't I don't I don't think you can explain it unless you've been through it. And you're just like, What am I doing? Sometimes? It's a really good place. Why am I here? What is and then it's like another clearing. Oh, so cold. I could be back home right now. Yeah, so hungry. What? Are we gonna make the checkpoint? Yeah, I don't know. What are we doing? Just keep going, man. Just keep going. We'll get there. All right. So that is a good point, though, then so and I probably would feel a lot more comfortable doing that because I could get my feet wet by doing one of these lap races or loop races down here and have guys that you know, maybe I do need to come pit every 20 laps, or excuse me 20 minutes and come in there. Every lap. And then I give my guys some extra work to do or whatever it is. They have practice and like we do all that stuff. I think that's a really good tip to bring up. Yeah, maybe I won't do I lost a trophy truck team because I told him he wasn't ready for Mexico. Really? Yeah. His ego was too big. And he went to Mexico and he failed for three years. Without me there by the way. I couldn't tell you how old all this stuff. Yeah, that's what happened. So I don't want to get bombed like I'm going because I like this stuff. Like I want to be a side by side racer. I've been doing the enthusiast guy and now I want to be a side by side race and I want to stay in it. But you're right. There is so many people that have done that they're you know, one time show up and then never come back again. Well, it literally changed. I mean, here's here's what happens. And I'm sure James will agree with this if you have a great race, which rarely happens, right? It's almost forgettable. Almost Right? Like, Oh, dude, I had a great race. We were out front, no problems, boom, boom, boom, didn't have a tire flat, nothing. And then 70% of the time you have like flat tires, or you have bent Tyrod or whatever, you have stories for years. Always remember those races. So it doesn't matter to me. Unless you're like, dead set on winning. I'm just like, hey, man, go out there and hope for the best and try your hardest because that's at the end of the day for me. That's what it is. Yeah, you're building memories and you're building family. Exactly. And at the end of the day, when you come home, you're like, damn, I wish I would have won. But that was a good time. Right? Those tacos in Valley too. And like they're saying legacy, right? Yeah, for sure. And then Eric has also been doing what Vora? Oh, vora? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's for Yeah. Fun. Fact is Eric has a sister. Oh, she Yeah. I like Erica. Eric is good people. I met Erica with Jessi Combs always sees iron woman. Trip. Oh, right on. Yeah. Erica always has delicious snacks, too. Well, that's why the car snacks, right. So she's been doing some of those four races. What's Laura? It's you probably know more than I do. But I know that it's up like in the Reno area. Yeah. And what she's been doing is helping do like the course mapping and stuff. Oh, really. And then subi. Mike is also like jumping in someone's razor and racing around a little bit to also finding a co driver. I got a co driver, though. Yeah, but it seems like a good growing thing that they're doing up there. You know, I would agree, that seems more not. So let's use Laughlin beat up fresh unit. Right. Laughlin is brand new, pretty fresh. We're just gonna take six miles off it. It's brand new. So you don't want to go to Laughlin and be like, Hey, dude, it's a short race, like, the pits only 14 miles away? You know what I mean? Because like, then you just go on hard. Well, yeah, but then you have a little bit more safety at least or at least a little bit of peace of mind. I've been stranded Parsons, Laughlin. I love Laughlin. I've been stranded in Laughlin, more than Mexico did Sam. I was sitting out there in the middle like the top of the Laughlin course right underneath the mountains for eight fucking hours. Dude, oh, my God, I was out there for so long. I was I was thinking about going to eat and some cactus I was so hungry. Alright, so let's get into a little bit more of the the technical portion of this. We're at 615. So we only have a little bit more time left. But what do I need to make sure that I do to my side by side, we talked about some of the safety stuff. But now I'm a little worried that my suspension might not be working properly. Like if I go out there with stock shocks and worried about the size of my tires, if I have like good wheels on it, if I prepped it with the right oils, like what do I need to make sure that I do to the vehicle to make sure that it completes the race? I think no it so go through it myself. I think that that that would help a lot of people, you know, we do a lot here and there. But I feel like some guys in this is more recreation, not race customer. But some guys don't even know how to change the belt, like efficiently, or have the tool bag setup, just to change the belt, you know. So like, there's all those little things to the add into that. After the safety and you pass the start line, you know, well, I want to give myself the best opportunity to do well and to to have a good car. So I'm going to plug my the sponsor of the show while we go through this, like, let's just say I have shock therapy, I know shock therapy from the dirt life show. And I'm using the discount code dirt life show at shock therapy usa.com. And I use that code but I call him up and I tell him all right, I want to get some shocks like done, because I'm gonna do this race. That's that's all I gotta do. Like, or how does it usually work? It's it's a lot more than that. And it goes to I'm sure James will agree. It's all there's so many manufacturers out there like okay, well, do you want Walker shocks? Do you want Fox shocks? Well, we've been putting kings on this one, if you remede But rev shocks on there, but that's just me. What kind of tires do you want? Do you want tensor tires? Well, if you're me, you'd run the BF T's Right? So there's so many things you just kind of got to pick and then like James said, You got to know your car. But this is the biggest one that I think after you get your car set up and you're doing all this stuff and you go to the desert, you hang out with your friends. Get on a treadmill, because after four or five hours of driving in the car, your arms are gonna be jello. Yeah. Not a little bit fit. It's almost dangerous and I've been in cars with people that are not fit, and you're like whoa, whoa, dude, are you feeling okay? Are you tired? You're like, do we need to park it because it's a lot to drive, fully suited in a hot car, your pumper stopped working dusty, you're just tired. And it's, that's when mistakes happen. So get yourself fit also, as well as knowing your car and picking the components you want. Yeah, I agree with that 100% and mentally fit to. So this is actually a topic that I'm glad you brought this up Mila is because we're going to actually start having these kinds of shows, when on the dirt life with different products and different ways to set up things. Suspension, if you get your car dialed if you have the right shocks, if you have the right suspension setup, if you have the right sway bars, track bars, all of this different stuff, even wheels and tires, you can eliminate a lot of that fatigue. And then we're going to go along and we're going to do things like fluid logic and Maglock and things that you can do to create cocktails or even water and have it give you the right nutrition while you're going like all of these different things, which is another level of what the conversation we're talking about, right? But all of that stuff goes along with what you're saying. And just if if I'm Joe going into my first race, you're completely right, just work out a little bit. Well, it all goes back to you know, you have your own products that you picked. And just because Bryce can take that Mason all wheel drive with those foxes and do that doesn't mean I can do it. Right, right. So even if I was at his level, I get let's just compare Bryce, Andy and Luke. They have the same truck, different motor packages, whatever, what have you. They all drive differently? 100 rice, his truck is not going to be good for Andy. Vice versa, it goes and same with the UTVs. Right? Just because James can wheel it with those shocks. I'm like, Well, dude, it's too soft for me well, so you got to get on drive your car, you got to get out and test it and know your vehicle. You're the shakedown. Alright, so let's keep going on the building portion of it, though. So what do I What are the first things that I need in my UTV? Like, I know that you you're a proponent of keeping as much stuff stock as possible. And so I'm going out and racing the rally class. So it's pretty much stock, but I'd like to at least have good suspension. So I'm gonna give it to the suspension tuner shock therapy and my choice. And I get that done. What's the next thing that I go on? I need to do like sway bar adjustments do I need to do like wheels and tires from KMC? Like, first take off the front sway bar, throw it away, just throw it away? waist? Okay, okay. You don't want it locked up. I mean, independent suspension, in my opinion. If you did like a spring kit and valving from shock therapy, okay, it gives you as a driver, a benchmark. So then you can play with your crossover rings go, you know what it felt like the car just went through the front end. But a larger or you know, stiffer spring, radon, if that's how you feel. Because once again, you're setting it up for you to drive right? Not me, not him? Well, I'm going to trust, I'm going to trust the guys in shock therapy to do a good get me close. And then I'll go do the shakedown and then I'll start tuning in tweaking it to, to my liking. Yeah. And then all the way down to, like was just touched on tires or wheels, you know, different size tires, the holes are getting bigger all the way across the board. So So run some 30 twos or something, if the class allows it, I think some of most of them are up to 33 in the limited classes. And then like the open classes are going 30 fives, it's quite a bit. And then so if the like, and then the I know that the wheel size, like if I'm getting my KMC wheels, I want probably a 15 inch wheel so I can clear more rocks and different things like that, right, have less rotating mass with the tire and everything. So, okay, so I want to have that. And I'm probably going to do some research, I'm going to see that I want a zero offset to make sure that I'm you know, keeping all the suspension and everything good bumpsteer man. Yeah. I don't know what it does. You got to understand what it does, because it may look cool, but it could make it completely undriveable if you get the wrong wrong offset. Yeah, when you just talked about physical fitness, if it's if the wrong offset is on the front, you're gonna get tired and like half the time. Yeah. Okay, so maybe what I do then is, when I call shock therapy, I just tell them what I'm going to do and then listen to their suggestions, and see what my pocketbook can afford. In a situation like that. If I can't afford to get a bumpsteer delete kit or whatever, then I'm not gonna get it right. I'll just see maybe I can do the shocks or vice versa, or whatever it is. So like you guys said, it's all preference, right? And, in my opinion, also like being consistent. And that's where I feel like a lot of people fall short with the side by side. Because if let's just say we set the car up to race in Mexico, yeah, the car's 19 inches off the ground and the front end 21 off in the rear. So most people are not going to like how it drives, right, got it. Sit in the car, it goes over the rocks. Right, nothing gets snagged or hung up. It's way up high for the big bumps and G outs. But then let's say you know DP fours coming up. Hey, man, I really want to go race? Tip four? And you're like, well, we set it up for Mexico, you know, different setups. So I would say from a racer standpoint and somebody that builds cars for people pick and be consistent in where you're trying to go race. Okay, and start, at least for the first little bit, yeah, and start small like, don't go okay, well, we're gonna do this this year without with a fresh car just like, start small. And it all goes back to what he said, every race is different. So you got to know your car and its handling characteristics. That's actually a really, really good point, though. James is like, maybe I do pick legacy, maybe I do pick dbx for whatever the race series is, and anybody can pick whatever race series they want. But just do that for the first little bit and get used to it. So maybe even just do one race and then a third race or the and then the fifth race or whatever. No substitute for the time. Yeah, I mean, the most See, I mean, look at your new TV world. I mean, like, trophy. So every time I compare anything, it's trophy trucks. But look at Luke McMillan do. That kid is in this truck. every chance he gets he's testing. He's trying converters, ride heights, he's doing everything he can to get to know his vehicle for the race he's gonna do is it's really cool to see that. And yeah, and I did the same exact thing in non desert racing. But in short course racing, I had a prat like, just like dirt bikes, I had a practice car, and I had a race car. And then every time I could bring the race car out to test that I would, and even if it had a little bit more miles on it, I would freshen it up. And I would do that, because there was no in my opinion from coming from dirt bikes, there was no replacement for the practice that I got none. It made a massive, massive difference. Guys that aren't out there practice are shaking down a lot and testing a lot, knowing their vehicle. I mean, they're competitive, but they're not the last 10% to make it. Yeah, totally. But if I'm going out there, and I'm just doing it like to have fun and just do it then. And still doing it on a beginner level. I think you guys have a really good point, maybe just do us one little local series, it just all revolves around knowing your car, knowing what it does, knowing what it won't do. Well, knowing where it really is unhappy. And just building off of that. Yeah, and even if you don't know any of that stuff, just build from the ground up. Yeah, I mean, like literally, right, like pretty much. Okay, so I've got wheels and tires, I've got suspension, I've got shocks and stuff like that, I'm probably going to take it to the next level. My buddy, Jeff furrier@ucr.com. He always taught me that the cockpit is one of the most important pieces to any race car. Like you have to be centered in the cockpit, you have to be comfortable in the cockpit, you have to have your arms in a certain position. Because otherwise again to Mila's point you'll get tired, right? And a lot of these guys are just going out there with the stock setup and being okay with it. I mean, maybe my first race I do okay with it. But if I'm going to upgrade and do all that stuff, what am I looking for in there to make sure I'm safe and comfortable. I'm going to I'm going to build right off of that and say, you know, for me, because I'm tall, I don't fit in a lot of race cars. The seat is the most important part for me, because the spark goes, I love spark goes but I have baby making hips and they make my hips go to sleep. So when I get out to change a tire My my, my legs are all tired and sleepy. So the Cobras for me Don't make my legs go to sleep and they're so comfortable. So if you're gonna sit in a seat for six 810 1236 hours, and this is not just a regular seat that you're going down the freeway, this is like a jackhammer sleep and it's, it's a race seat. Yeah, you definitely need to, you know, get something you are going to be comfortable and build around it because I'm sure James will agree if you're going and the mid rail is right here and you're steering and you're hitting your elbow on the mid rail or if you get all cricket in your body shucks to one side and you hit do that's gonna hurt. Yeah, and it's gonna make you really tired dodging that the whole time and one of the biggest ones is the neck breaker bar. So this mid rail B pillar if it's in the wrong spot, and you hit it and just the right area, it'll break your neck so you got to make sure that your seat and all this stuff around you is clear. So that's a really good point to bring up so and I wholeheartedly agree with that I went with the wrong seat for three years and then finally I tested a whole bunch of seats and I ended up going with an O MP rally seat and I'm exactly the opposite of you I have a really skinny hips that right and so like when I sit in there, I was always bouncing around and sliding all over the place. So I finally found one that worked and I had too low of a rear portion of it and then So finally it added a taller one and I was just like holy shit. This is like a whole new world. Yeah, and all it was was an $800 part. I mean, that's expensive, right but in the whole grand scheme of things that changed everything. Yeah, man. Comfort is key. And then so James we were talking about earlier today like just in the shop like If you can, if you're gonna build my car for me, you can build the tub or the doors and stuff a little bit different depending on what I need. If me, let's get a really big C or if I got a skinny seat, you can still give us enough clearance with the cage. Totally. And that's all you know, like you said, indoor bars and lacing and however you want to lay it out, you know what you can also follow through not necessarily differences in desert but from like a desert car to a short course car that's got a quicker, you know, you don't need a giant mid rail. Like we did built into the XP Pro, right? Jeff's a big dude. So easy to slide in there get in and out of the vehicle. And then also plenty of arm room. Yeah, totally. You know, for your elbows, you get a little Western in there. Yeah, and you have more room for snacks. If you want to put bags in their room. There's a bunch of advantages that but you're right, though. So maybe I'm taking this to the next level. But I'm gonna want to start with that before I start spending all the money on the on building the cage and everything around it, right. So if I'm coming into IMG, and I'm saying all right, this is the seat that I like, because I went out and tested a bunch of them. And then I say alright, James, go to town. Do you ask those questions to me? You say all right, well, you know, sit here and then show me how you steering steer the wheel and then give me some advice on what I need to do. Yeah, I mean, even this cage that can't be seen off the camera. I don't think yeah, hey, flip that camera with your arm right there. Why do door bars there you go. Just because it's kind of getting set up for the desert you know? Yeah, exactly. wider door bars. This car has actually really wide the one behind us. Yeah, door line into it. You just can't tell because the seat is so big. Mila could probably switch the camera just flip it around the opposite way to see the orange car behind us here. Yeah, there you go. That's a good angle. So you can see how it comes off of the first a pillar which is that first bar that comes up there where the windshield go, and then it comes out a little bit. Yeah. So it gives your doors or your tub a lot wider width for your arms. Right and also getting in and out of that vehicle like yeah, like you said, if you got to change a tire. You're already tired. You've been in the car for seven hours maybe getting out of there. You know? The sure the cool small, tight little body looks bitchin but sliding in and out of that nice openings. Yeah, tell you there's nothing worse than stepping on your catheter with the yellow jello legs trying to change your tire. Dude, it's the worst. The worst one is, is in you, you go to move it slingshots you. And you're like, yeah, no water out here. You know, building off that see real quick. My last driver, he is tall like me, but we are proportioned differently and his hips would hurt because his the pedals were too far forward. Yeah. So you know, the steering wheel on the pedal angle is just as crucial as your seat positioning. When we did the pre runners, for every driver that bought a pre rendered from race works, we would set the seat in there and set the pedals and steering wheel exactly where they wanted it because they're going to be in that truck for 1000s of miles. Man. I want them to be fresh and sexy when they get out for the race. Yeah, we ended up doing that with our short course cars too. Because the the first time I got in my players razor 900 that I bought from the UTV wolf pack. I put in a seat that was for me, and I love see Pat in there. And the whole time that you were sitting there, just because the way the car was built, your legs were all the way off to the right, probably six inches. You were sitting sideways, and then the steering wheel was over here. So you were driving with your body like in the wrong angles the whole time. It was crazy. You know what's crazy, is a lot of new cars are like that. Really, if you like my wife and I started talking about passenger cars, yeah, she had a Toyota Corolla. I've like 2005 or whatever. But the steering wheel was offset and the pedals are over to the right from the center of the seat. Yeah, it's weird. So like, you don't even notice it until you notice it. You're like, oh, geez, what is? And then I noticed a lot of cars are like that. It's just because the how they have to package it for the impact stuff. But that's a good thing to bring up for all of us to talk about like and James, you probably talked to people about this all the time. They're like, Nah, I don't care about that. And you're like, Dude, it's a big deal. Well, if you're doing it from scratch, you might as well do what you want to do, right? Like building the door bar cost you the same amount, whether it's, you know, elevated two inches over, right or not. I mean, you're talking about a small amount of material. And there's a reason everybody's sitting in their car after the race having a beer and it's not because they want to sit for pictures and stuff just because they're exhausted. You just need to catch their breath before they get out and stretch their legs. 100% All right, so I got like a little bit more of a personal question for you guys. Like what's your guys's favorite thing to do? Is it like to prep the cars? Is it to fab stuff up and build things? Or is it to I mean, I don't know there's so many things that you guys do like service things. For me, I kind of a jack of all trades, I prep and I fab and I co dog. But my favorite ultimate thing to do is to do something that I'm prepping that I know no one else has done yet. That gives me an advantage. Yeah, that's cool. Like, I know, there's some certain parts that we used on the old car that I had that I'm like, Oh, if I do this, it's not going to fail me, but no one else is doing it. So I'm stoked on it. I show the race. And I look at my car and then I go over and I kind of just planted their card. Nope, they haven't figured it out yet. That's my favorite thing in the world. And I was just talking to my dad the other day about this, like, one of the things that drives me so much. I've always been goal oriented, right? Like I always want to win races and I always want to thrive to move forward and progress and progress in progress. And since I've stepped away from that a little bit semi retired, right? I like to see those goals met in everything that I do. So I love that you said that. I mean even the show, right? Like if I hit a certain number, or we set a certain milestone, like that's what makes me happy. Just like what your goals. Yeah, I mean, you have to have a goal in everything you do, or else you're just aimless. Do you have kind of the same feeling James? Or do you like to do fab or prepper? And I'm very similar, you know, obviously prep. I mean, I serve as cars, installations, whatever in the whole building. You know, my favorite thing is creative fabrication. So, you know whether it be like today, I was building a set of just one off like opening net doors. Oh, sick. It's some it's still it's simple. But it's just created from scratch, which yeah, I've kind of cornered myself out of somehow. I think that's just because of what the market to write has. But yeah, like, yeah, that's my favorite part. But having some as a customer having something that no one else has is something everyone wants. Right? Yeah. Well, and you guys are both literally talking about the same thing, though. Because he's saying that he he's like looking at somebody going Yep, he doesn't have a uh, he hasn't caught on, right? You're doing the same thing, just in a creative outlet instead of a competitive outlet? Because you're like, Yeah, you know what, this is Mitch. And I just figured out a different way to do this. Yep. That's the super cool. So it's being unique, I guess, right? Yeah. It's having something that knows I have a Datsun 510 that I have that I've had for years a big 510 guy, but I can't afford to have a cream puff. Right, whatever. So I on my car, I've done the same thing. I've made things that no other 510 has. And it just feels good to do something. And you're like, Yeah, well, I did that for you. Or I did it for me or whatever. But no one else. Right. Right. That's so cool. I remember making my first set of stacks, velocity stacks for the Yamaha yz. And I had zero idea what I was doing, I just went in there and I figured it out. And I like drew them up and like got all this stuff done. And I put them in, and they had the most top end I've ever had in the fucking side by side, zero bottom end. But I was like Jesus Christ. If I can keep this thing at 11,000 RPM the whole time. I'm gonna be fascinating. It's like a banshee. But I only use them for one race. But I was so stoked that I figured out how to do that. Because I'm not an engineer like that, like, but And you made them Yeah, that's the best part was like making stuff with your hands and making it work and making it like I did that there's no better feelings. Yeah, it was so rad. Alright, so I do want to talk something about like the service or the maintenance portion of it, because that is going to make it so that you can finish races, right. So using good products, like multiple products, really helps a lot in any type of lubricant or fluid. So in the differentials, that's really, really important in these four wheel drive vehicles. Obviously, you know, the transmission in the motor, most importantly, and then even in the filtration systems to like so all of that stuff has a really, really, really important piece to finishing any race. And when I talk about the filtration systems, like you can't get any air or excuse me any dirt or any air inside the air, any dirt inside the air intake system. So what do you guys do to make sure that the car is in perfect service condition before you go to raise? Like what are you doing? I'm like big snob about air and the intake like turbos don't like dirt at all. So I actually, either I use grease or actually black silicone, all my connections. Really, I don't care if it takes me if I have to cut it off. At least I get no dirt in there. Nice. Yeah, that's just it. It's not my money that I'm spending. So yeah, but still details. That's a massive, massive point. A lot of the factory stuff that I've noticed is actually very good at sealing so you don't have to do that but it's when you make like your own intake or you have to do an add on or intercooler tube or something. That's the stuff I'm talking about. Got it. Yeah, as far as like the side by sides for me. I probably don't run the oil in the cars over 500 miles. Okay, you know, like if I went to a DP for this race This weekend, whether it be 75 miles or 250. Next week, I'd be dropping the oil. Right? All the oils all day. Well, yeah, I would change every oil, every race, right. And I use the OEM air filters. They're good. Yeah, they are made by Donaldson. They seem to be great, I believe right there. Some of them. Yeah. They're great. I think they're 40 bucks, right? So just Yeah, and you can just throw it out and put a new one in. But if that $40 will save you five grand on the engine? Well, here's something I try and tell people that are building their own cars to custom stuff is great. It's all cool stuff. But what if the dude your right hand man forgot another filter, right? You run over to James's page, you're like, Hey, man, you got two air filters. I got one right here. Yeah, cool. I have the same one. If you have all factory stuff that's interchangeable. It's easy to get spare parts, like down in Mexico if you need it. Yeah. 100% And not just spare parts, you can pull them off of your prerunner. That's like any of that stuff. So that too. All right. So you change in all of the fluids? Yep. Are you looking over stuff? Like where are you going with your with your prep to get ready to go? Don't Don't forget the fuel filter, often overlooked. That's a good point. That's a really good sorry. I see in these cars, you know, really? Yeah. Totally. Because they're, it's all in tank, you know, on the pump. So it's, I mean, I don't know that big, right? Yeah, dirt gets in the fuel tanks pretty quick. And if your stuff sits with fuel foam in it, like that, right. So then, you know, that's why I had this stuff out. So basically, nothing better than using torque wrenches, because I've shared my fair share of bolts, so kind of showed up to those. Just the three eighths torque wrench. This one's a Matco. That's been rebuilt, I think three times. It's one of your favorite tools, though. Yeah, this one's a good one for don't cheap on the torque wrench. That's the last part you want to ever ever achieve on the torque wrench. So that one's been been good. Like I said, it's been rebuilt because the springs broke or whatever. And that's taken care of, but I use the torque wrenches, and then also red or blue Loctite. Most of the time at this point read unless it's like a recreation car and then this stuff's pretty cool. Cross Check torque seal. There's a bunch of different manufacturers get the pink one. You like the pink? I only the pink one because it looks good on racecars. I'm a big fan of the film. So yeah, pretty simple stuff that you can basically draw a line on. If you don't know what it is. You've probably seen it on pre runners razors, or trophy trucks. Anything I've prepped, you've seen it on? Yeah, I don't know. It's just and then that way, when you go to, let's say, the pit or the car got dirty and transport you wash it. It's not Oh, hey, like the marker lines gone? Or, hey, the cars in the first 25 miles are down and you got Jim grabbing wrenches, you know, looking for something to tighten? Well, it also gives the guy that on my team that we're using as the example here that doesn't know it even gives mom that's making sandwiches the ability to know, there's a mark right there. And it still looks fine. Yeah. So it's okay. It's so easy. Here's a side note on the threadlocker, the red. Each one of these has a number on it. So this is 242. And this is 271. The higher the number, the stronger it is. So there's a couple of different reds. And I use to use red number 6969. Yeah, always. 243 I think now let's do 42 there anyways, there's stronger ones. And if you put them on the wrong spots, you're not gonna get that bolt out. So be mindful of what you're using. When you're using it. Pro tip from Mila. Yeah, so check the numbers actually on your red and blue Loctite. But the reds of the worst, those are easy though. If you're just going to your local hardware store and they only got one, just get that one because it's still going to be better than nothing. And think about this when you're threading the bolt in, it doesn't need a lot because there's very there's thousandths of an inch in between the threads. So if you just kick it on there, you're not getting that bolt out. It just takes a little bit. Yeah, and but those are both good, good things to bring up. So what am I looking for on my players razor that it's getting done by IMG before I go out there? Am I looking to do the tie rods? Am I looking at like what am I putting all this stuff and what am I talking? Well, I guess it depends on the actuality of the vehicle as well. But you know, the OEM bolts, you can always look over torque and once again, knowing your own machine so if if we do it for you, or any shop does a service and does it for you cool, but being able to throw that car up in your garage and check the torque on let's say the radius rod bolts. Maybe the you can't really torque the jam nuts but on your radius rods right, you know, so check check it all out and seen this on tie rods before don't do that. Really? Yeah, don't do that. work on the aluminum. No on steel. They put this on the joint. Yeah, on the home threads. I've seen that before too. But yeah, so make sure you do the lug nuts. You check your tie rods, you check your steering clevis all of the stuff in the rack, like every single shock bolt for sure. Stuff like you know anything that's a moving part always look at those first and then you can go around the car and check all the other bolts and make sure that they're all torqued it's a player's Okay, So correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not well versed. But is the players the one that you have to have a fire suppression system over the fuel injection rail, because they they catch fire. Yeah, I don't think you have Yeah, you don't you don't have to but you but if you were like wanting to keep your car for a while you would do that. Right? So definitely never had one and I've had Okay, Turbo Turbo models. I've had six. Okay, that's more of a putting one on one of my old bosses. Yeah. And he said, Oh, they'll go up in flames. Yeah, but that's more of what I want to say this without sounding like a jerk to you and to everybody else is more of a Facebook thing. Okay, like, you know what I mean? Like somebody said it now everybody does it copy. But but it's always good to have a fire suppression system on your vehicle. Because fires the worst. Oh my god on fire. Yeah, you don't want to fire I've been on fire a few times, like you guys have and you do. I don't even know how to explain how bad it so you'll never come out of your seatbelts quicker. And that's for sure. Yeah, it's so crazy. But the fire fire suppression systems, like what Mila is talking about is something that's routed inside your car and you just have like a pull button or whatever it is a pull lever and that evacuate is all the fire extinguishers in the in the area or whatever you're gonna have to like one of the front one for the back, but you have to have to for in the rulebook, but most of the time, it's just fire extinguishers on the vehicle in the UTV. So it's pretty simple, like you go out to vor DB for legacy, you're gonna have a little bit of protection, you just need to make sure that you know where it is know how to unclip it and know where to, you know, obviously, suppress the fire out too. So I don't ever suggest spraying a fire extinguisher if there's not a fire, but at least practice unclipping it like go and see like, there's so many people that put the fucking fire extinguishers in the wrong spot wrong and they go out to get it out. And they're like, oh my shocks in the way now. Yeah. Or what I've seen also, I think someone lost a car because of this. When the pin starts to come out, they'll zip tie the pin in. Yeah, but then you can't undo the zip tie because it's too thick, and then the pin stuck and the things burnin. So, in that's another thing as far as like personal prep, I've, I've believe, like I can tell you what to do. You could say what to do. But Joe at home is gonna have to figure it out at some point. Right, right. So when I set up like the fire extinguishers, I would assume on this orange car, you can see that the nozzle is pointing towards the middle of the bed. So not that I want that fire extinguisher that far out of the cab in case let's say it tips over. Right. But like you said, over the engine is where they have an issue if they have an issue. And usually it's pointed right there. My car. So if I don't I mean you don't even have to take the extinguisher off of the down to right you could just Yep, and it's shooting that's gonna do I mean it's just one less step. Yeah. And if the two birds one stone, you don't want to get near it and once again being on fire jumping out of a car personally, because you don't know how fast it's gonna ride. It's gonna happen. I've literally tried to take my second step caught by the Parker pumper that air too, right. And literally got flat back. Yeah, I believe it caught me. So off guard and I'm like, cheese. Now we're laying under the fire. Yeah, it was just wild. But and that's what I'm saying. So that's another question that I had. And I was gonna bring this up is more of a context of like in the pits or like with a problem, but how do you handle pressure? Like, what's the, what's the best way to do it? Is it like Ricky said slower is faster. Calm down, like what? Well, everyone handles pressure differently. I like to pride myself not saying it happens all the time. But I try and stay cool under pressure. Because let's say your car has a problem and you're communicating the radios and both are overpressure. And you're like yelling at each other in the radio and all you hear is static. So the calmer the voice, the better the relay be on the radio. So when you're amped out and you got pressure and stuff chaos going on, your mind goes into like a different platform, I guess. So the lower your heart rate is the better you think so when pressure starts coming in. It's best to try and stay calm. Yeah, I agree with that. And then also What about you, James, like, let's just say you're in a high pressure situation like getting out of the car, you forgot to take your Parker bumper off. Or if you're in the pits, and you have an issue that you need to fix quickly, you got to do a belt, you got to do a tire and you got to feel like you have to do all these things. You have limited resources, like what's the best way for me to handle pressure? If you're suggesting it to me for my first race? That's tough. I think that's a time thing. It's like seat time, right? Because you're gonna have to go through ups and downs, or, you know, data learning curve. Yeah. And I for me, that was tough, man. I'm a hothead. Yeah, you know, especially when something didn't go my way or the car just fell apart. And you know, I'm just pissed, right? at a younger age. At this stage, I automatically just go solution, right? Like, I think to myself, like, I don't even need to say anything to anyone or the radio, like, I'll get to them. As long as I'm physically no harm. You learn in time. Sorry. Go ahead. Yeah, just I just kick in. Okay, solution. I think he learned in time that all that emotion that just comes out is like, irrelevant, right? Along with the waste of breath. It's a waste of breath. Because now the same thing would probably happen to happen to you 20 years ago, right? You're like, Okay, this is what I got to do. And you just buckle down and focus. It's, it's how you handle pressure is basically I think, on a personal level for each person. Yeah. So and I think that you guys are talking from experience as well. So first of all, I love that you guys are giving that experience and that understanding of it. But I also think that as a suggestion to let's just say me, we're doing my first race as the example again, telling me to just stay calm. And just reminding me that like when I'm in that presser situation, let's just say you're the crew chief, and you're like, George calls in and he's like, Hey, dude, we got to change a tire and we got to get fuel and we have a broken Tyrod like, what do I do? Like what am I going to do? What am I going to do? You're like George, calm down. Take it easy. Take a deep breath. We got you covered buddy. Like we'll take care of all those things like that goes a long way for somebody that's never raised before. So I think that's a really good thing and those are things that like you said you can be learned and maybe just that our our first race like the legacy or DP for Yeah, oh, John Harper said the fuel rail is an old players problem. So but yeah, let's see here. Aim and only use enough to put the fire out and try not to breathe it. Yeah, that's why I said don't Dude, I got sprayed. We were in Vegas one time just having a party and I got sprayed by a fire extinguisher in the hallway. Oh my God, dude, I almost threw up Yeah, it's the worst Oh, Jesus didn't I didn't they spray? I wish I can't breathe. That stuff is so bad is the worst man so I have stuff is good. It's not it's not like a powder. Oh, it's better. That's who was building the the ones that go off by themselves? Yeah, or they have the portable ones. Yeah, but those are the ones in my personal opinion to get spray like a super hyper cold freeze that just kills everything. One thing that I want to say to all you guys that are watching or listening to the show, if you guys do have any questions that are beyond what the stuff the stuff that we're talking about here is feel free to reach out to me and I can relay the messages if they're good messages to Mila and to James as well. If you guys are thinking about getting into this because I think this stuff is really really important. I mean I'm even learning stuff. And I raised professional side by sides before too so it's really good to know all this information and the stuff that you guys know. I mean it's beyond anything that most people can ever dream of knowing because you guys have been in the industry so long so I appreciate you guys sharing all this stuff. Let's see here. We already talked about the structure of leadership that you have at events What products do you guys usually use? Let's see here. Or actually you know what, how important is it to bring some of those tools and some of those products with you. So let's just say that we do go out do I need to bring extra oil do I need to bring brake clean do I need to bring lubricants you know like what kind of stuff am I bringing with me on the UTV and in the chase trucks i i always have in the chase truck all the fluids basically enough to service the car and then your you know brake cleaner etc. I know that a lot of cars do run probably the court system right with like a three quart the aluminum box still just little tray. I never have Yeah, with the you know, rod through it. But I'm kind of conservative in the desert. Yeah, yeah. Well, if I'm not mistaken. We I didn't run it on the UTV that we raced because weight is key on those things and extra weights just gonna slow you down. So I don't think you want to carry a lot of that right? No, the lesser UTV weighs less gonna break in you know, the faster you go. But that being said, if you dumped the car over It's upside down for an hour, you might lose all the oil, you know. But if you throw the car over and then get it rolled back over, you might be down half a quart or leader. I'm not sure. Yeah. So just depends on what the situation is. So that's personal preference. And I think that's probably depending on where you're racing out to. If you're just raising the last one, it's 18 miles for a lap, it's a little bit easier to to be okay with it. Because somebody can get you some stuff pack the kitchen sink in Mexico, that's for sure. Yeah. 100% Or have 16 trucks that are just falling around, right? Yeah. Let's see here. Oh, we already answered most of these questions, or also a lot of people. A lot of people don't think out. Let's just use snacks and water. Yeah. For racing. Like, oh, we're gonna go to the district 38 race and have fun. Well, I don't know, maybe broke and you're stuck out there for four hours and the sun's balls high, you know? Yeah. And you have no water. Yeah. No, it happens. Dude. Water is lifeblood. Yeah. So I used to always have two bottles no matter where I was. I was doing like, even when we did the UTV World Championship, it's only 18 Miles like you could probably walk back faster. But like I always had two bottles no matter what happened. Let's see here. Kyle Mendoza 23 said, How about those explosive fire extinguishers? I don't know what that actually means is that like a fire extinguisher like a suppression system? Maybe? Oh, so there's a couple companies out there. There's one company I know of makes. It's like, it looks like a stick. And it's got it's like some sort of thermal plastic. And once it reaches a certain temperature, the plastic will melt and then it just blows. So it's an automatic explosive fire suppression system. So actually, there's a company that came I watched the demo is pretty badass. They use them on airplanes, boats, anywhere that there could be a fire. That's crazy. personally think it would be great and offroad Yeah, especially on these things. Because when I jumped out of the car and got laid out on my back, we didn't know the fire was coming. You know, we're literally just out the men having a great day. And I also Amir and heck is that? You know what I mean? In my car loses power. So like, if you don't know it's coming, and that thing goes off and puts it out bitching, because that puts you one step ahead of the game not to present that is super cool. Yeah, cool. I didn't even know those existed those. So thanks, Kyle for talking about that. Said can never have enough microfiber towels. So yeah, that's actually another point that we should bring up. So inside the cockpit. I want snacks. I want water. What else do I bring? Other than a co driver? Definitely. microfibers is definitely good point. And a rule is when you go through water, the driver gets the microfiber first, then the CO dog be the CO dog that wipes your face while the drivers running into stuff. Did somebody do that and got yelled at I got yelled that. Well, here's my story. I held it out. I'm like holding it and he didn't see it. Oh, he doesn't want it. So I start wiping on my face. Oh, and then I got yelled at like, hey, the driver gets it first. I'm like, Dude, I held it over. You just didn't see it. So let him know. You paid my bills. I didn't want to do that. That's hilarious. But yeah, driver gets in first. Is there anything else that I need to bring in there? I don't recommend this. But there was a team I raced with at once that we put a little bottle of Jack Daniels in each coat dog and driver pouch. So if they did get stranded, they had a snack and a drink to get them by wait for the tow truck. Yeah, I know a couple of men that though I know a lot of teams that actually throw pork chops on the cam like a Coors Light or something. Or cooler whatever it is. Yeah, but let's see here. Well in the rulebook, you have to have you know, first aid kit by the way one life trauma kids, my boy, Josh, I definitely recommend it. I don't know why it's not sanctioned to have a one life trauma kit in each car. Yeah, because when you roll over a band aid ain't gonna fix a broken finger splint it at least trauma kits are a definite must have, in my opinion, they got splints or whatever you want to put together. But just your typical first aid kit that you just get to get by the rules. It's not going to work. Yeah, those trauma kits are really important. So your guide, the one life trauma kit, we have a we just did a giveaway with a desert squadron trauma. All of the men all of them are really, really good. That's a really good point to bring up like so safety first, right? Not safety third, but like, any time that you can have that I mean, it's only weighs like maybe two pounds, like it's insanely light so you can have that trauma kit and not have any issues with it. I have one of my car. It's in my trunk just because you never know when you're gonna need it. Yeah, exactly. Smart. Totally. All right, so we're gonna kind of wind down the show. Do you guys have any suggestions or comments on what I can do to have a better race or anything else that I I need to know. Just start small man. Don't try and bite off. I've seen so many people, they take their friends to the desert, the desert, they just like hooked so they go and they buy everything. And they're just completely uneducated in the curriculum and how the safety of it all and just everything. So get a camera players and start small know the vehicle and and be safe because at the end of the day, you could be a statistic these things are statistic makers right left if you're dumb, so just start small and be smart. Yeah, I was I was also going to bring that up earlier when you're talking about people. And what I've always thought is why don't we have somebody that's like medically inclined with us? Right, like, because just with our small group that goes racing, and this happens, you got people tripping and falling in the pits. Yeah, whatever. There's sometimes there's fuel fire. Oh, you fell on his back off the roof. He was having a good time. Yeah. And that's happened. Right? So I'm like, you know, if you guys have friends and family, firefighters, medics, whatever like getting, you know more that's such a great idea. Yeah. I honestly it came to me when I was thinking about like Cameron Ron, right. Yeah, you do the OC firefighter thing. Yeah. And I'm like, Dude, how good is that crew? Because like, if somebody just dropped in the pits, like do could save a life. Yeah. You know, the disco guys have? Yeah, 90% of them are firefighters. And there's always a firefighter with a trauma bag. In the helo, really no land for anybody like when the year in Laughlin Cameron's transmission blew up and took that dude's leg. Our healer landed and helped that dude, get them out. That's crazy. Yeah. And so we did the same thing in San Felipe. Derek from optic helicopters. We saw like stuff happening out on course that wasn't racing. And we would always go by we'd always go down and we'd always you know, look at them and see if they were okay. And everybody. I think it's it must be something because it's the only first time I've been up in a helicopter at a race but like, it must be something that's known in the desert like you tell everybody thumbs up like you get out are you You make sure you're letting everybody know that things are okay, so that they can go and do their, whatever their job is at the time, you know, just made me think of something like James said, always have someone it's it's almost better to not have someone in the Hilo because when you're in Mexico, not that it's better. But let's say Mexico, there's been a lot of issues at night. Right? And he can't fly at night in Mexico, right? Because of the cartel laws and all that but if people on your team are medically inclined, you could help save so many people down there. There's so much chaos at night. You got to be smart down there. Yeah, even just heat exhaustion to Oh, yeah, I do. Yeah, that's crazy. That's such a good thing to bring up James. Another a whole nother set of thought process to you know, like, yeah, maybe somebody is having heat issue, right? Yeah. Me and you are just gonna be like, Yo, dawg, you need a taco. Taco or something? Well, yeah, but the other guys know exactly what's going on. Yeah. And then cowboys at AZ tech says never stick your arms. Keep your arms crossed. Yeah. So in the race cars, it's a little harder. Yeah, grab your seat belts, make sure that you're always like holding your seat belts are doing that. But in the race, car window, and hats and all that stuff, it's really hard to get your arms out the new rules, you have to have Windows that's on the front, like you can see this razor here. So between the A and B pillars, as well as the doors between the B and C pillars, you're not allowed to have an inch. Yeah. And the pillars Yeah. So that you can't get anything out, you'd be surprised at how many different things can happen. I mean, even just the the one incident that I was in, I went through a window net on a vehicle, like, there's all kinds of crazy stuff that can happen. So when we talk about the safety stuff, like having the safety pieces on your car, it's just as important to have a good builder if you want to build your own car at home. Cool, but have a dude that knows what he's doing. At least look it over, or have somebody check it out before like what James is saying, because he knows exactly what he's doing. And he's done it a million times. So those things are really important when it comes to safety and more power to people doing it in their garage. 100%. I support that on my last car that we did the BI TD Rally Championship in Yeah, I have this facility. Right. We're like 7500 square foot. And I prep that car in my garage, and we dumped it out of fives. Just to make it like, Yo, this is garage racing. And I love it felt so good. Yeah, I mean, clearly the cage came off the shelf and this and that, right, but But you built the whole car in the garage, in the garage for the most part. Yeah, love 100% And there's all the DIY things that you can do. You can buy cage works kids, like two kids and put them together and build in your garage. But the main thing I'm trying to get across here is that you can have somebody else like whether it's an expert or anybody like even if you brought your car here to James. He wouldn't send you away without looking at it. Like so. It there's so many cool people on off road like We'll set at the beginning so all right you guys got anything else you want to do a rapid fire q&a? I think James has already answered some of these guys anything else? No, I'm good just what's on this mall what's on your schedule for the rest of the year Mila I took a step back on my last race shop just wore me down. So I took us to work. No just goes back to the positive environment. I'm pretty positive person. I like to joke I like to be funny. I like to I had some near death experiences in the last five years so it kind of changes you a little bit so I'm just stepping back to the races and have fun instead of being under stress. I feel that vibe like more than you know did. What do you got going on? James? Sounds like you might do some racing on the side by side here pretty quick. We're gonna go give the outlet Outlaw Series the West. Yeah, but here's our last series West man hola series. Westby that it's a I don't know what it starts off to look at the dates. Where's it is the first round is Cedar City. Oh, they're gonna have one in TAF two. I want to go up there. Yeah, so like the Cedar City one looks dope. I want to go up there. I've got a seven month old. And now I'm like, Man, Mexico's probably not going to happen this year. Right? That's fine. So we'll go try something else. Well, and it's new. Yeah. new terrain. Exactly. Yeah, and what a car you're gonna raise RS one. I'll give you the big RS one guy now. You're gonna be so moto out there. Those cars are so sweet to drive. You're gonna love it. John Hopkins actually brought up a good point. Everyone on the team should know CPR how to put on a tourniquet. Yeah, those are easy things to learn too. I mean, you can watch a video on YouTube and figure it out in you know, two minutes. Yep. So I agree with that. wholeheartedly, John. So thank you very much for for letting us know that. And if you guys have any comments that you'd like I said you guys want to have or questions for the guys. Feel free to send them through the dirt life show. We'll try to filter them out and send them to the guys if if they are willing to answer them. Alright, so I appreciate you guys doing all this stuff, man. Thank you. We already been here for a couple hours. So doesn't seem like though when you're talking shop doesn't know it's good to just talk. Just talk no phones. No nothing. Just my phone has been blowing up. So let's get this rapid fire q&a going. James. You might have answered some of these but pretend like they're brand new man. All right, let's let me let go first tacos are hot dogs. Tacos. James. I'm a hot dog. Right. So I've been smashing hot dogs. No light. Good hot dogs have been like on the front feet is I've been having hot dogs too. So fun fact, I've only ate tacos once since fan fleabay So that's been like the longest I've gone dude. I feel. I feel like I'm like not getting a fix. I think I saw your Instagram story on that one too. Yeah, dude, so I need some tacos. Anybody want to buy me tacos? Let me know. Chicken or Isata on what? Taco? Ooh, Assad let's now let's throw it out. Let's throw a tortilla out there. torta your chicken. You're going to start on the torta. What are you gonna do? I ate a tortilla two days ago. Did you pass your baby? Oh, no. That's the way to go. Dude. Yeah. All right. Mila Dunes is River. Dunes. Dunes. Yeah, I'm going to the river right now just because it's hot. Yeah, action shots are still shots. I mean, this just depends. There's so much that goes behind this question like What are we taking pictures of trucks? Let's just say a side by side action shots. You're going to actually show you like the full Deus like SIL action shower you're hitting it sideways for the baller photographers now have like the super Chris cameras we can see the little dirt missiles coming up as explosions I like that Yeah, that's cool. Are you going to action shots are still shots James action because we're always taking stills man yeah always taking stills big still guy at the shop here taking stills of this orange razor behind those three wheeler or quad Mila three wheelie city dude death machine Yeah buddy the side Willie I can but not that great on a 70 No problem did What if you get the 110 with no suspension you can just get that thing going. I can see you right inside wheelies at like three o'clock on for days. We had a tracing or when I lived in Ramona we rode like we had like seven people on that thing. Do you see how many people we could get on it just to ride a wheelie? is awesome. That's hilarious. All right, James. What are you going with? Three you're going through one or two? Are you going 12 o'clock boys are you going Sideways? Sideways cool if I had my druthers two wheels all day long. So I was just thinking like right now I think came up with a new social media phenomena. If you got a three wheeler and you can just ride nose wheelies like Axel Hodges on a three wheeler. Dang, that will be next level. Do a 50 foot gap in the nose wheelie like axle? I don't know if you're gonna I don't know if you're gonna but I'm just saying like I feel like my whole dirt bike career was not All in the backflip manual. Do my mind is off the chain dude. Yeah. All right, we're getting low batteries on this battery technology. Alright, let's cruise through this real quick here pizza rolls or jalapeno poppers. Pizza Rolls. poppers. Coffee or tea? Coffee, coffee. Favorite movie? gangs in New York all day long. Whoa, that's a good one. I'm still gonna go with Ace Ventura. Like a glove? sketchiest moment. 2022 Oh, 20.1 sketches. Oh, I had COVID for three weeks almost died. We don't want yeah, no, that is a sketchy moment. Yeah, something like that. It was bad. I'm glad you're still here. Mila. What's your sketches moment? Jaime? 2120 21 I'm not sure do you think it was when you throw out your hip? Do you because you were down for like you were in like? I think so. If you could have one superpower, what would it be? Any superpower. We were even talking about X ray vision last night just thinking seeing through things. But you'd have to have layered X ray vision is what we decided because you don't want to just see through everything. Rather just probably move things with my hands. Like over here. Oh, so you can just chill and just like have it? Yeah, that would help with tacos though. Because you could just like move things with your hands for tacos from the store and just have it right now. Yeah, I'm real hungry. Alright, James, what would you fly? You fly Fly Netflix or YouTube? Netflix YouTube video or photo? of off road? Just in general. What are you liking? Like if you're scrolling through Instagram do you see in photos are you seeing like photos or videos for me but if I'm watching Off Road I love videos that videos like Justin chasen. Yep. Yeah, I'm a video he's murdered. Most memorable race. Are 2008 Vegas to Reno for me. This long story, but we finished on three wheels. We couldn't even make the turn to get on the podium. We just snow plowed to where our crew was. It sounds like an awesome story to hear. It's too bad the iPad is gonna die. Alright, what's your favorite most memorable racing? I know that there's no time for this but that's my backpack and number plate from 2008 Vegas Reno from my Rhino hanging over there. Oh 38 Oh, wow. You guys are do I didn't even know a side by side existed in 2008. There's a rhino right? Fuck that. I don't even know how you did that. Dude. That's crazy. You didn't finish favorite snack? Oh, beef jerky all day. James is probably Sour Patch Kids Sour Patch. Supercross and motocross super well, depends, but generally super well. Right now. I'm more excited for motocross. But yeah, super. Motocross so hard. What other phone racing? Would you like to try? Ooh, Formula One all day. All day every day. Trophy Truck. Oh, there you go. Let me it's fun to coach. Someone else's wallet. Who's your celebrity crush? Oh, I can't say my wife's watching. All right, we're gonna skip that question chips and guacamole or french fries and ketchup chips. I'm still thinking about the last one. Are you going on Celebrity crush because we gotta hurry, dude. Otherwise this thing's gonna die out. Guacamole. You're going guacamole. All right. Well, hey, dude, I really appreciate both you guys hanging out. I feel like we covered only like the surface level stuff. But I still think that you guys did a fantastic job relaying information, everybody. So I really appreciate it. 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