Motorsports are evolving, vehicles are faster, SXS’s now have 4 cylinders, and we are going faster than ever. Racing helps drive innovation, and enthusiast, dune, and trail riding benefit from this show's topics too. We are at Fluid Logic in Southern California to talk more about Hydration, Focus, and what your body is capable of when it is working properly behind the wheel or handlebars.
We talk with Dr. David Ferguson @the_sport__physiologist and a few @fluidlogic_usa athletes, @ryanarciero @proctor_race @bdi.geiser.racing about how this simple technology and keeping the body operating properly helps their racing efforts.
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Motorsports are evolving, vehicles are faster, SXS’s now have 4 cylinders, and we are going faster than ever. Racing helps drive innovation, and enthusiast, dune, and trail riding benefit from this show's topics too. We are at Fluid Logic in Southern California to talk more about Hydration, Focus, and what your body is capable of when it is working properly behind the wheel or handlebars.
We talk with Dr. David Ferguson @the_sport__physiologist and a few @fluidlogic_usa athletes, @ryanarciero @proctor_race @bdi.geiser.racing about how this simple technology and keeping the body operating properly helps their racing efforts.
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Welcome to the dirt life show with your host, George Hamil. Gay Yeah, welcome to episode 143 of the dirt life show. Thank you guys very much for joining us on September 12 2022. We are in Southern California at the fluid logic headquarters in El Segundo. Actually, we have a lot of good stuff to talk about tonight really, really cool products and a lot of stuff has been happening in motorsports motorsports are evolving. Vehicles are getting faster side by sides now have four cylinders. Can you believe that? And we're going faster than ever racing helps drive innovation but enthusiast dunes, trails writing all that benefits from tonight's topics that we're going to be talking about. We are at Fluid logic, like I said in Southern California, and sitting next to me, I have none other than Edie Jager. What's up dude? How are you? Thank you, George, the Great, the man behind all of these ideas, and helping racing is really cool to see that you have all of this stuff. On display for us. We're going to do some demos, and we're going to do some really cool stuff. Also, sitting next to you and your left Todd Hayes. What's up, dude? What's up, man? How are you? And usually the feet on the ground. Everybody sees you at the races kind of hanging out doing doing the duties talk with the racers and stuff. So thanks for putting in all the hard work. You got it, man. It's a cool company that you guys have started here. A lot of other stuff in my mind has been really innovative. I haven't seen this and racing since I've been racing dirt bikes, you know, most of my life and then professional off road. And in between, I had the opportunity to do some other physical stuff like endurance bicycle racing, like you know, long distance bicycle racing and also competed an Iron Man. So this is really fits the bill for a guy like me, right? And you also support some other athletes like, you know, Todd, you can say like, Ryan RC arrow is gonna come on the show today. We got a couple other guys that are gonna come on the show. Let's see here. Casey curry is gonna come on the show. Bruce Bankwest is sitting here in the audience right now. But he's going to come on later, Jeff proctor. And Dr. Ferguson is also going to come on and talk with us a little bit about the benefits that it has to. I think it's all really, really cool that you guys are pushing this into the off road community started an off road, which is pretty unique because it's gone from Off Road to the carbon fiber world of IndyCar racing and NASCAR racing, which is pretty exciting. Because usually, technology comes down to off road racing, not from Yes, racing up. Exactly. So where it gets built from is pretty important in your guys's foundation as a company. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is the roughest sport in in motorsports. Certainly, in my opinion. Our opinion. Yeah, absolutely. I couldn't agree more to see it work. And last here in this world. It was it was an easier story to tell the folks in NASCAR and IndyCar that we had proved it here in off road racing. And then there, there was an acceptance level because of that, then to Todd, have you seen it been accepted in the industry? Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, we've all kind of have a passion for off road. So we've all started our careers around off road racing. And to see the product developed there by Ed and Austin and the original crew and to see what it's grown into is unbelievable, right I mean, off road, by far is the toughest battle to to conquer from a Baja 1000 Or a Vegas to Reno or offense like that. Right. So it's great to see it start there and then evolve into IndyCar NASCAR sports car. Last week, we've sent some systems to Europe for for a new Dakar vehicle. We sent some stuff to a new sports car vehicle with Joe. So it's great to see the product evolve. Takes a ton a ton of effort here at Fluid logic to make it happen. We push the engineers super hard to develop trick stuff. Sometimes they hate us. But I think you know, like this weekend, you know, we were in 16 of the 26 Indy cars at Laguna Seca. Yeah, that's fantastic. And not to go off on a different business subject. But sometimes people hated Steve Jobs and he was pushing the limits, right? That's the way it happens when you are innovative like that. You have to be you have to push the boundaries. Yeah, we're clearly disruptive. Yeah, we just are the common thread though of everything we just discussed with the different drivers in the in different disciplines is that the driver, it's all boils down to the driver and his fitness, his physical fitness and his training is so key and so important. And what we've learned through this process of giving them automated hydration on demand at the touch of a button, is that they're actually better in their job better in driving in the last part of the race. Yeah, because their cognition As up, their energy is there, they're able to recover quicker. And all of that is done simply by giving them their automated hydration, hands free thought free so they can stay focused. Yeah, in the car, they delegated to us, we take over and they just get to drive. And it makes it so much better for everybody. Well, you kind of stole the like my next thing that we're gonna lead into, because I was trying to keep it a little bit low key and do the demo with Todd here. But I think I think it is a really cool product. So the baseline behind the product is just like what Ed said, and it's hydration inside a vehicle. And so what most people think is, you know, you have a Camelback where you pull into the pits and you get some water, like those types of things. And that's how I did it. That's what I did on my desert racing. But that's old school. That's, I think that's always been the standard. You know, I think, you know, all racers have a problem with change, right? And we see it everywhere at every sport discipline we go to, we're bringing something that most people don't know they've been drinking out of Camelback. Yep, for a long time. So what we're bringing is totally different. It's innovative. You touch the button, you get your hydration. So I think that's key. And a lot of people don't realize that. So I can't wait to get into it. And the thing that I said, like, wanted to lay down the baseline of doing those endurance sports and in my personal life, is the thing that I was always taught. And I didn't know this when I was being when I was an off road or dirt bike racer, is that you eat before you're hungry, and you drink before you're thirsty. Because once you've gone past that you're fucked. Like you don't have a way for your body to recover in time. Very true. And you'd be surprised how many racing drivers don't know that. It's wild. I mean, we see it we see it all the time. Right? You see it in off road racing. I think we saw a couple athletes at Vegas Torino, get out of the car and basically collapse after the race. You know, I think, you know, seeing a guy like Ryan archera, when Vegas Cirino not once, but twice and get out of the truck and say, hey, I can get in the truck and go another 500 miles back is is why our product is so important for the racing driver. It's really it's really wild, though. Like and when I think about it, like I think about at the Mint 400 This year, there was so many people kind of similar to what you're talking about Todd that were getting out of the car and they were wasted. Like they could barely stand up, right? I mean, like your body fatigues and endurance sports. Like that's just gonna happen, right? And these guys were to the point where they couldn't even stand up anymore. Yeah, you get to the point where you don't know your name. I mean, you're kind of blowing bubbles there. And the whole idea here is if we keep you perfectly hydrated throughout your event, you're gonna get another card and feel good. Like you described our Robin Ryan our car you got to George, you know, last week we saw Cameron still up at Canyon Crandon and he's never been a guy that drank while he raced because he always had a hard time going pee in the race truck. Yeah, however, he's gonna get rid of his pee. Well, now since he's been partner with Ryan, the system's in his car. He's a believer, now he's drinking. He's like, I've learned how to drink the proper hydration all the way throughout the race. And it's not making me you know, have to take a pee while I'm in the in the race truck, right. So he's been able to teach his body to operate under those extreme conditions. It's so cool to see that man. In just a couple of minutes here, we're gonna give a demo I'm gonna go through and mention all of our sponsors real quick, so I can get that out of the way and we can get started up. 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Yeah, maybe come stop by and hang out for a little bit. Thank you guys over his older racing products use the code the dirt life pick up some tie rods and radius rods that can match up with your shock therapy steering rack. We have some really really cool stuff as owner racing products is going to do for our Pro are too. So thank you guys over a vision canopies. You need anything for your pits, do some better branding for your sponsors and stuff get a vision canopy made, and thank you the guys over at crowd here. Alright, so Todd, I would really like to see how this system works. Ed's told me about it a couple times over lunch and stuff, but I've never actually seen how it works. Should we check it out. Now, let's check it out. All right now. So alright, we're gonna move some of these cameras real quick and get you guys dialed in over here. But bear with us real quick as we go. Go and follow Todd here. You I'm gonna stand here you want to go the right side. You can stand wherever you want, man. You got it charge. Alright, so basically fluid logic a couple different ways you can get get your hydration, we offer three different bottle sizes. Obviously 32 and 64 are the most popular in the off road industry. We also make a 20 ounce bottle. So bottle mounts inside the racetrack. Dairy grade insulated tubing runs from the fluid containment bottle up to the heartbeat of the system. We call this a pod. Inside this pot is a pump a motor and a motherboard. Great part of this this system is you can tune it to what you exactly want to take on for hydration. So you download the app from the ice I Apple Store. You go in you register, put in your email address, connect it to the scan Barse barcode on the back. And then you go in there and you program it and you tell it I want one ounce of water. I want it every four minutes and I wanted at medium pressure, you can lock that in and that's what your hydration will deliver you throughout the race. The great part of this system is it never delivers you hydration until you push the button that is placed on your steering wheel. So there's a couple of ways to get your hydration obviously off road everybody uses a fresh air system. Maybe Edie could hand me over the helmet and I can show you guys a couple of different options of how you can get your hydration. So obviously an off road helmet. You have to in the off road world you have a fresh airport, we deliver water and hydrate and air through the same connection. The same magnetic connection runs down through an existing air vent hole in your helmet runs down through the helmet, no cutting, no drilling that's super important to know. And then it runs right to your mic, your audio audio mic, we install a product called the Aqua calm. envision this like a cell phone cover for your cell phone, it slips right over the mic, and then the four mil waterline connects into that and that's placed right here at your mouth. You race it illuminates on the steering wheel. Hey Todd, it's time to get your hydration. I hit the button, it delivers me one ounce of water that will be conditioned, continuously done all the way through the race. If you have have to get out of your racecar to change a tire your tire you get back in, you can press the button at any time and get as much water as you want. A Vegas Cirino race like Ryan, our zero just 164 ounces, when he gets done, he has a half a half an inch of water, ice water the whole time. And I think that's something that a lot of people don't realize is that, you know, when you're in the race truck, it's hot. But when you consume water in your body, you're cooling your heart, your lungs, your fluid, fueling your blood, your muscles, all the important parts of a racing driver. Right. And that is an off road and IndyCar and NASCAR and everything else. And so Todd, we're going to talk about this a little bit. But I'd like to know how that affects your cognitive reflexes because that's a huge thing in my opinion. I think everyone could relate to this, right? You get in your car and you drive from Orange County to Las Vegas and you drink nothing. You know, by the time you're halfway there, you're starting to get thirsty. You're starting to get maybe a little drowsy. You have nothing to keep you awake, right? Same thing in a race truck if you're if you are in your car in the dunes, yeah, any place right anything and in the dunes, the desert. You name it. I mean you have to hydrate well You're sweating out you need to put back in. But the goal is never get to that point to where you are dehydrated, because by the time you start to get dehydrated, you're done. You're totally screwed. Yeah, I can definitely agree with that. We already have a comment coming in from Keeley Crawford is calling Crawford's mother, but she wants her son to get one in his race car. He does short course and works racing, so and they're big enthusiast as well. So they like going on trail riding and stuff, too. So is there anything else that you want to show? Maybe how some of the stuff like the mag lock attaches to the helmet or anything like that? You got it? Yeah, grab that mag lock and show him how the arts will connect to you to talk because the cameras are still on him. So you got it. So the the business here at Fluid logic started with the magnetic connection and Maglock. Right, this was what started the company and did a great job saying, Hey, listen, I need to get air to myself. And there's no quick way to do it. Right now you have a poor, you push on a rubber hose, you're out in the desert, you get out you change a tire, you got to get back in, you got to put the hose on. The great part of this is it's not only delivering you fresh air, and in this case with fluid logic, it brings you water. But it's also a safety issue too. You're out there in the desert, you're out there by yourself for hours on end. And if you flip over and have a crash, the most important thing is get out of the car ASAP. Right. And with this connection, you can shake your head and pull it away and exit the race car. Right. And that is probably one of the most important things that Maglock and fluid logic bring to a racing driver is the safety part of it. Yes, hydration is fueling you and keeping you going. But let's all remember that in off road racing. Like I said before, you're out there for hours on end, and there's no helicopter chasing the guy in a 516 or a 10 car and having this product could be the difference between surviving a crash and not. Yeah, exactly. That's something to touch on. And so Andrew has a couple of comments that just came in as well. Yeah, from Paul style. Once you put the mic a little closer. You guys hear me there you go from hostile link hydration is so key. The fluid logic system is so key to performance. Yeah, it's pretty cool to see that. Is there anything else that you want to talk about before we kind of get into the nuts and bolts and talk with the racers? Yeah, let's take sure the way the bottle gets released so you can quick change the bottle you got it so in a pitstop you know a lot of these Trophy Truck 6100 trucks class tin cars, depending on the size of the bottle. You know they may be running two guys, right So one guy lives off his his makeup of his drink. He may drink Gatorade, oh, with different electrolyte mix, whatever you got it whatever he wants to put in the bottle he can. And then when it's his time to get out of the car. Quick Release bottle out of the car, new bottle in. Plug it in that quick. You know it takes 510 seconds to change the bottle out. Every driver is different. You know some guys want plain water to start and then they want something to keep them awake at the middle of night. Yeah, that's fantastic, man. Oh, it's cool stuff, man. All right. And so what I'd like to do is Andrews got a couple more comments, but I'd like to also invite people to comment in and let us know if they want to see some more of the system as we talk about it with the racers as well. Yeah, we have one from Cali boy Aztec. I'd love one of those for my program. Cali boy if you could, uh, yeah, hit up your program is Yeah, hit up the fluid logic, guys. Do you mind if they hit you up through Instagram? No, that'd be great. Oh, that'd be terrific. Yeah. So we have trophy burrow who just joined shout out to him. Perfect. And we have Ryan, our Sierra waiting to go live with us. All right, let's move these cameras again. And then we'll get everything going. Austin Austin that helped develop this product is by far the best guy to give the demonstration tonight. But he had a hot date. So he had Oh, that's how it goes. He had to pack up early. You know, I see where the importance comes in, man. Tinder is his best friend. That's all right, though. Are you guys ready to live Ryan? Yeah. Why don't we get Ryan, our CEO and so that way, we can talk with him a little bit about how he actually uses the system in his car. And one of the things that I want to I want to address though, too, is I want to I want to put a bunch of emphasis. This is not just for racing. Like this is this is really to help people I actually saw a post on Oh, here we go. Here's Ryan right now. Ryan RCR. What's up, man? How are you? You guys got me. Okay. Yeah, it looks like we do. Both. You can see my beautiful face. It looks beautiful. It looks like you might have a slow internet connection. I don't know if you're on one. Wi Fi, but if you are on Wi Fi, ditch out on the Wi Fi and just use your cell phone. And as as Ryan kind of figures out his technology stuff over there now is it looks like it's still pretty bad. You're more than welcome to log off and then log back on and just do it with the with no Wi Fi. We have a call on one second. Okay, go ahead. We have a comment from Trophy burrows saying I want to see the fluid pass into the air hose please. Yeah, we can do that. Okay, so the, you know, we'll, let's take a look at it this way. camera right here, right yo, inside your Maglock. It's now a coaxial Maglock. So now there's air and water going through the same connection. So inside your air hose is a water line. And that water line comes into the air hose through the hub, which is another one of the products in our kit. And then on the helmet. Do we have water in here? No, I don't believe we do. See that so we can get some water and actually do that. Yeah, do the demo. And then see you can see it right here too. And trophy bro, I think you've probably seen a lot of this stuff already online. But it's pretty smooth how it works. And the amount of pressure is actually really great. It's all engineered, you can adjust the amount of pressure like Todd was saying you can adjust the the volume of water, the tempo that you're being reminded. And then and then the strength of the burst as well. Oh, wow. If you so it's really modular. If you have a UTV and you don't have a windshield on it and you're getting a bunch of air balloon pass your face, you want a stronger burst. If you've got a screen on your race car, then you can take a milder burst. But regardless back to what Todd was describing is that you get the opportunity to make all those adjustments. It's pretty cool man. Like how you built it up modularly really makes it so it's a nice fluid fluid system. It's a complete system, but it takes into consideration the feedback we've gotten over the years from what drivers want. They want to be able to regulate that they also want to know what they're going to drink during a period of time. So you think about a George if he's gonna get 10 or 20 milliliters of water every two or three minutes times four hours. He'll know how much water to bring. Absolutely. You know, trophy is trophy burrows Silwan Yeah, let's tration so here it is. So adds holding the connection that mounts up to the to the race helmet. And once you hit the button, there's your hydration right there. So depending on how much you want, yeah, thanks, trophy, bro. Now we got water all over the ground, man. Got it, you got a trophy. Now that is super cool, though, I appreciate you showing us that because that actually makes it so that we can understand exactly what we're looking at. Well, George, the rest of the technology that Todd was describing is what happens inside the helmet. So that water line is now connected inside the helmet. It goes through the air inlet that's already on the helmet. So you don't have to drill a hole or I explain this so you're gonna make me look bad. That's fine or what but my point is that waterline din comes down through the air channel right then to the the Aqua calm. And so that's what you're drinking off of. So I guess the point I wanted to make is that, that connects the path right? And when the Maglock is connected, then the pathway to your mouth is clear. Brian on with us now. Okay, cool. Well, hopefully. Hopefully we can see him a little bit better this time. Is that better for you guys? Yeah, it looks like it is better. We got a little lag on our screen over here. But yeah, thank you for doing that. Ryan. Really appreciate it. No, no, no, no worries. Now we lost audio because he doesn't have enough good connection. Ryan, it must be the gates around your house that is causing the disruption. Yeah, exactly. Ken, can you hear us, Ryan? I can hear you. Perfect. Okay, cool. All right. Yeah, we got you now. So, once again, thank you very much for joining us. One of the things that I wanted to talk about was, I want to lay down a little bit of a backstory here. First of all, Ryan RC arrow for anybody that does not know, is one of the most winningest drivers in off road period. He comes from a long lineage of fantastic off road drivers in his family. If you look at the truck behind us, that's Ryan's truck. In fact, I was gonna make a little joke, and I was gonna sit in there and I was gonna say usually he doesn't let people sit in it. Don't show it to him. I was going to tag him on Instagram. But I'm, I'm having some I'm having some issues. You guys keep breaking up and it's not me. I'm on my side. So this sucks. I want to make sure I can hear everything you guys are saying so we'll get through it. Okay, well, yeah, let's try to navigate through it as much as we can, Ryan. But yeah, Ryan is one of the most winning drivers in off road and Ryan one of the main questions that I wanted to ask you was before you started using the fluid logic system, how were you hydrating I had a I had to have the, like the big the 60 ounce camel packs I had in the truck, I drank a lot of water, I sweat a lot. And and I realized how much how important hydration was to me and to my racing efforts early on. Because I do a lot of cycling and a lot of mountain biking, I do a lot of road cycling and and hydration for when you're riding, especially with a group of guys that I ride with is it's absolutely critical. And you can't you can't put your body in, in depletion or early on. So I kind of took a page out of my training playbook and brought it into my racing playbook. And as well as using 260 ounce callbacks. It wasn't it wasn't the cleanest system, and I had a hose put into I drilled into my helmet, and I put it into there. And it was one more connection that I had to connect and disconnect. In my race truck. And for that I didn't like it at all. Yeah, it's pretty crazy how much actual effort goes into all of it, though. Like, whenever I think about it, I think, well, thank God the system like exists now. But I didn't even do that. Like that was way ahead of what I did. And like I just waited till I got to the pits and got some water. Right, right. And that was really annoying, I guess is the right word for me. Because I was so used to having hydration all the time when I'm doing long distance events, right? Somebody's drinking and eating the whole time. And all of a sudden I gotta wait. I'm like, What the heck? The The Journal of Science says if you want to stay optimally hydrated, drink consistently desktop. Exactly. You can't do that when you're going through all of what Ryan was describing, or what you were describing. You've got to be able to delegate it to the system, and then let the system take over. Hit the button every time the light goes on, and it'll take care of you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there's one more thing trophy brothers said it's one more thing to get tangled or forgotten. Yeah, it's, it's, it's hard. Like when it's a piece of the truck, it's probably a lot easier. Ryan, right? Because all you got to do is put a water bottle in there and you're off. No 100% mean, what Ed has come up with the system itself. I mean, obviously, the system works flawlessly. But how it connects like you guys were saying earlier, that's one of the biggest things, one, the ease of how it connects to your helmet, the ease of installing new units in a race vehicle or in a you know, in a in a UTV or just, you know, just a play toy, and the ease of being able to use it, it's, you know, they thought of everything. And for us in a racing environment. You know, I want to have the least amount of cords and cables on me, but I also want what I want, and I want my hydration. And and I I said once again, I know how important it is to the success that I see on the racecourse is how I hydrate and a lot of people might say what, you know, it sounds like it, you know, it's a small part of it, I think it's a huge part of it. Because at the end of the day, I want to make sure that I'm sharp mentally and physically at our seven as I was at the beginning, I raced out of one. And the only way you can do that is to make sure that you're hydrated. And, and I can tell you, Ryan is definitely one of the most detailed oriented drivers we work with. I mean, he's relentless. I mean, if he needs an O ring, he's calling me, you know, three weeks before the race going, Hey, where's my O rings, my O rings. And that's really good to have, right? You know, we want our drivers to be passionate about what we're selling. And when we get to work with these guys, you know, they they give the system equity to everybody else that's buying it. Well, yeah. And well, let's talk about that for a second here. So talking about purchasing and stuff like that. The cost is what it is because it's an intricate system. And I think that what people need to understand here is for me, I would put this ahead of getting wheels for my car, let's just say right, because I understand how important it is. But where's like Ryan, maybe you could give a little bit better. I don't know if if he's still on but you could give a little bit better understanding of how important this is in your race program. So that people can understand where they raid it in what they need to do with a racecar if they're doing a new side by side build or something. I think it's one of the most critical parts obviously you got you got to have a good team, you got to have a great race truck behind you a great components and they're great guys working on the race truck or just even in your play car. Great team behind you great navigator, you know, a great driver. And there's all these elements that need to come together for you to succeed in our sport or in motor racing. In general, not just desert racing off road racing but in racing in general. So in the hydration part of it to me, it is critical and it is one of those steps that needs to be put on the top of your list as a driver and check off that you have the proper system there and a lot of people just just just breeze over it and don't think of back that Yeah. And we're talking about in a racing context, actually racing. Go ahead, Andrew, we had a comment come in Ryan. Yeah. From desert squadron. He said, especially for long races. Most Mistakes happen towards the end because you're tired slash dehydrated. This seems like it could help reduce the amount of mistakes in the long run. Yeah. So Ryan, let's, let's speak to that, please. And let me No, no, I understand how my cognition would be improved by what you've seen. Now, what we're doing and offer racing and endurance racing in any endurance racing you have in motorsports, you know, we're in that truck in some of the harshest environments in the world for for hours, and hours and hours and hours on end. Vegas arena was just under seven hours of racing and in you know, leading up to triple digit heat, ambient outside, now sit in the racetrack with your race suit on with your Nomex under wear. Underneath that you have your racing gloves, your racing shoes, your headstock, if you were one, when you do your, your helmet, full face helmet, you are sweating, your body's depleting what it needs. When you start that race, of course, you're fresh, you had a good night's sleep, hopefully you got some good, you got good food and you got you got good nutrition. And so you feel great. As your body starts depleting those fluids as you move on. And it's more to me, it's more than water, you have to have some more than water your body needs. It needs carbohydrates, it needs protein, and it needs electrolytes, you need to replenish that. And if you don't, your mind and your body will you'll start losing it. When I say losing it, you start losing that edge. Your brain is not working and functioning like it did in our one when you're our at seven. Yeah, absolutely. And so what happens when your brain is not functioning your body, you're but I've actually had a couple conversations. And this is more in in a medical context. But it's the same context that Ryan was talking about. Now, I have diabetes, so my blood sugar would get low, I would carry Skittles in the car. And I would eat them if I needed to. In this case, I could put the right amount of sugar in there. So that way I can understand as it as I go through the race it and I'm a big carbohydrate electrolyte guy. That's what my body eats. When I'm doing long distance events. I eat peanut butter sandwiches on the bicycle while I'm going right, like just just all of those things. But you're saying Ryan, that we can put this in a bottle? Absolutely. So So I use I use hammer nutrition for a lot of my sample like while I say, Yep. You can run supplements through the system as well. The only thing we say is make sure you clean it out. But it's like Todd talked about earlier, you'll come into the pit after and after wanting fresh water from the start. But if you're going into the nighttime, or if you started to get tired, you could call ahead and tell your pit that you want something with electrolytes something we should or something for your brain. Oh, because they could change the concoction during the middle of the race if you need it. Right? Absolutely sure. Listen to the pit. George George looks like he needs some sugar. Let's get the switch out the other bottle. And you've told them that in advance. You're saying I'm going to give me some hammer nutrition. Fill it up halfway full ice. So and this works for anybody too. So we have a young girl Her name is Bella Burchard. She's starting to do desert racing. She's just you know, towards doing short course racing and things like that. And she's a new diabetic and she'd keeps really good control of it. But she's always scared when she goes out there and her blood sugar fluctuates a lot. So this could be a really good solution to help her as she branches into desert racing. Oh, yeah. Well, for sure. She'll come down just in being calm when she gets behind the wheel and she's at the starting line. And it's quiet, she can hit the button to get a drink of water and she just takes off and doesn't have to think about I could be dehydrated, right? I could go I could have a issue because of my diabetes, right? At minimum keeping her body perfectly hydrated is going to make a big deal. That's fantastic. It looks like we might have a comment, Andrew. So trophy burrow asked about if drivers are using electrolytes. I think we covered that one. And desert squadron wants to know for those that run Gatorade or an electrolyte mix, how hard is the cleaning, clean, cleaning sample Simple, right? You can just you dump out the bottle, you put some warm water in it, you run it through the system, the biggest important thing is obviously to clean the bottle out and the pump out and the hosing. Right. So you just run that through takes 10 minutes. That's what I'm saying. That's a very small part when you're cleaning a side by side or a truck. You got it? Yeah, you pull it you know you can do it. Pull the pump out. Check it out, make sure everything's good. Put it back in the systems pretty bulletproof. One of the things that Todd or Austin and I have done a 24 hour LeMans race and we did run a supplement through the system and the key is to do exactly what Todd said but also run it through your helmet so you don't forget the water line in the helmet you don't forget the water line going through your Aqua calm Yeah, so you make sure you flush also because there's there is a check valve in the system that makes it really nice as well. So there's a check valve down by Your mouth. So when I get out of the car and the next driver gets in the car, it's not dripping water on me. And all that is done through a check valve and those check valves are finicky if they get gummed up with sugars, but you can clean it out very easily just at the end of the race. Yeah, right on George, I think there's something really good to also touch on is that it's not just for drivers, right, the CO driver is just as important nowadays, right? With, you know, the level of racing, you know, the pre running, you know, notes, all that stuff, if the CO driver is not as good as the driver, the combination is not going to last. So I think that's something that's important, too, that, you know, we do see people out there, and it is an investment to have hydration in the car. But at the end of the day, you know, hotels are expensive, and fuel is expensive, and tires expensive. You know, if you don't look after your body, your health doesn't make sense, right? You're gonna spend all that money to get to the racetrack to, you know, hopefully have a good time and finish the race and get a trophy. But if you don't take care of the body that's behind the wheel, are you really doing justice for your race program? That's exactly why I wanted to bring up the importance of it when I was asking Ryan about that. Because, to me, it's more important than any of that stuff. I mean, I've been through a bunch of shit in my life. But the fact is, is that my health is is number one no matter where I go, right. So I'm even thinking about putting this in my play car, my pro our play car, because we do go on a lot of long rides, right, and I'll take a cup of Gatorade and stuff. But I couldn't tell you probably 80% of the rides that I've gone on, we always want to go play more, and I always run out of shit to drink, right? Like it's always like that. So why not have this extra piece in the car to help me and in 10 minutes, your bottle of Gatorade or your bottle of water is warm, right? You're in the car doesn't matter if you're in a race car or a UTV out in Barstow having a good time running some laps and enjoying yourself. It's warm in the car, right? If it's 30 degrees outside, it's still 60 degrees inside the bottle, the water gets warm, and nobody likes to drink warm water. So that's one of the things that I was trying to see if we could ask Ryan is So Ryan, what has been the biggest difference that you've noticed in your performance as an athlete and as a driver inside the car after changing over to the system? You know, like when I used to use the camel packs? I would I would take really big sips of water. And I would go through both of those camel packs. And because I do I sweat a lot. Anyways, so I kind of like it. We know that Ryan? Yeah, I know, Todd I do. So I can't, I can't I can't hide that. But But I but I also had to go pee a lot. And to touch point earlier on, which was an issue with Cameron steel was was affected. You know, obviously he had an issue trying to beat. And, and I tell you since I've, since I started using the fluid logic system, I don't drink as much as I did before. And I feel 100% Better at the finish line than I ever have before. And I'm not paying nearly as much if at all. Yes, wow. It's now which I think is equilibrium thing. It is it's insane. It's everything you think opposite of, you know, when you think you need to drink drink a lot of water. So like what Todd was going over, like how you set the system up is you know, I'm very anal when it comes to like how much water I get it, how often I get it. And, and the pressure on it. And to me, that's super important too. But it's so easy to be able to do that on the app. And I mean, I'm just taking little spurts of water, little spurts of water and I do mine every four minutes. I feel it that works perfect for me. And it's just the ease of using this just insane. So let's let's talk about that too. I want to talk about the app, but I want to bring up a subject beforehand. So Ryan, you mentioned that you sweat a lot. Since I have a spinal cord injury well three now but I have my spinal cord is is not what it used to be. And this actually is something that qualifies for as an organization that you help support warfighter made. I went to lunch with Rob on Sunday yesterday, and we were talking about, I can't control my body temperature, my core temperature the way I used to because of the spinal cord injury, a lot of injured veterans and other people have the same type of issues. So for me, when I was doing these long distance events and stuff, it was really important because I didn't know how much I was sweating. I didn't know how much my body was changing and the temperatures were moving around. But in this case, I could probably neutralize a lot of that. Oh, absolutely. The key is to keep it into the equilibrium, which is what Ryan was explaining. He's drinking less, but it's more efficient. small bursts of water every four minutes is keeping his mouth wet is keeping his throat wet is he's not drying out. And that's a key to this thing. And that's exactly what Robin warfighters was really excited about doing with the system is that he could keep his guys perfectly hydrated. Optimal hydration. Absolutely. I think we have another comment, Andrew. Yeah, another quick question from Trophy burrow. Do you run it through them? Motek or did you install it as a standalone? Well, it's a standard. Orion Okay, go ahead. Yeah, right. Yes. Yeah, it is it is standalone. So it's completely separate from the entire system of the truck. And I think that's a good thing though, because I think that your, you need to keep it separate. It needs to be just for you. Well, there are people, we've done it both ways in trophy trucks, but we have been most popular as an independent system. So the steering, your our button lives on the steering wheel that's independent, the real only thing that we get from the vehicle is the power, it's 12 volts of power, and then our signal wire comes up to the steering wheel. And that's where you see the light hit the button, you get your burst of. So now let's talk about the app. And then we'll talk about how Ryan has it set up in his treasure. Sure. So the app like Todd was saying, you download that from the Apple Store, and there's a QR code on the back of the pod. And when you when your phone recognizes the QR code, then you are connected to the pod and turn around George. Inside that pod is our processor, our circuit board our pump and motor, it's all billet. It's all built and installed right here at our headquarters, and also the Bluetooth wireless which is Ping Pong back and forth through your phone. Okay, and then So Ryan, everybody carries their cell phones in the truck because you need to be safe and people need to find out where you are with GPS and all of this stuff. And you keep yours probably plugged in so that you guys have it charged up the whole time. But how does the system work when you guys have it operating? Well, once you've set it on your phone, it doesn't need your phone necessarily anymore. It's already got its settings and your you can leave your phone wherever you want to that point cold. It's locked and loaded. Once you program it and hit enter. You can adjust the brightness of the button. The button is blue. You can make it bright you can make it light, whatever you prefer. I'm going pink. Yeah. I mean I could see Andrew that you would go pink but anyways, the great part is is once the driver locks it in it's good to go you never have to worry about it again. Oh they're asking if it's Android and iPhone so it's just iPhone right now okay so Callie Boise tech I actually got a donate an iPhone that I can give you if you want to get the system sponsor that for you. I will tell you this the system comes out already set to medium standards across the board right and you can just use your buddy's iPhone to program it if you need to. You can just as it comes out of the box the go to is medium across the bread medium amount of water on a slider of one to 10 medium strength and medium signal a reminder the visual reminder God so if you just take it from the way it comes out of the box, you don't have to connect your phone to it if you don't have an Apple phone All right, well, we're you get really into the nitty gritties which, which is what Ryan's described of exactly what he wants Mr. triathlete over here on Andrew, we got a comment real quick. We do have Dr. David Ferguson waiting to join. Okay, we're gonna get him on in just a couple of minutes here. So Ryan, the only other question that I wanted to ask you this kind of has nothing to do with the fluid logic system but what's your favorite snack inside the truck? Did you know what's funny is it goes back to hammer nutrition I carry because I use them a lot for cycling I have hammer gel and I put the hammer gel in a hammer flask I learned a valuable lesson at the bar 1000 Back in 2007 rehab they have jelt that the gel packets I went to go put it into my helmet rip the rip the end of it off squeeze it that gel got on my glove I went to go shop my advisor and clear my visor dust and it got and that stuff is it's like glue a big big mistake it took a lot to get that stuff off so I can see it again but now I use the flask so I anytime I can take I can take some of that hammer gel just to get a little bit more something more solid in my in my body is huge for me and I fall as soon as I haven't I follow it right up with pushing pushing my button for the tickets so crazy that he's talking about stuff like we just keep became best friends because I use the all the exact same shit but I'm a big apple cinnamon guy what flavor you bear I could berries Yeah, I haven't tried the apple suit him I gotta try that we won. One thing I want one thing I wanted to say we haven't touched upon it is obviously we're sitting here in September we're sitting in the hottest months of the year the biggest race I just did. It was it was hot as shit obviously. But what I don't want the people listening to us to think is this is just a hot weather system that you need water when it's hot. No, it's just it's just as important if not even more important, and the cooler races or the or the cooler times of the year as well the bottom 1000 give you a perfect example. Last year 1000 went went the distance to La Paz we have the system and Cameron steel number 16 truck we put in there. I was in the truck for 11 hours most of the time in the weather. The weather was not hot at all. So I wasn't sweating. But you still need to replenish fluids in your in your body. You're still working it's Though it's just as important to cooler races, I want people to understand that as well. Yeah. And don't think that your body is tricking you because you still feel good because it's cool out. It's still the same, your body's still getting tired. Oh, absolutely. 100% agree. I think also one thing to touch on, we talked about Trophy Truck and everything Ryan does and stuff. This is for everybody. Yeah, this is everybody that puts on a helmet and enters a race or goes to Glamis, and, and all those activities that people participate in, you know, so if you're in the woods, in the East Coast, this system works for you. If it's in Glamis, if it's at the Baja 1000. If you're in a class 11 car, this system is for you. Yeah, see, Hall designs just said the same thing I did old saying if by the time you're thirsty, it's too late. Right? Yes, you like you can't make up for it. I mean, Todd and I just came back from being at the IndyCar race for the last three days. And as you had said earlier, 50 60% of the drivers are using our system. And that's the top drivers in the industry. Yeah, exactly. Really, really impressive that these, these guys are all dialed in. And they don't want to race without it. Because they get in the car. They delegate everything to the car, and they just get a full well, it's like when you find a good set of tires, you want to stick to them right there. Max Max's tires, by the way. Yeah. But when you find a good set of tires, you want to stick to them, right? But when you find something that works, like I found that those peanut butter and jelly sandwiches was my you know, Hail Mary, when I was riding bicycles all the time, I'd never want to switch that was like my crack when I did it. Because if I switch then I thought it was going to be bad, right? So I can see exactly what you're saying about the IndyCar guys. That's why we did the variable, right. Ryan likes to drink every four minutes, a medium burst of fluid he wants to be reminded, yep. Dr. David Ferguson can explain that it's it can be all over the map as long as it's consistent, because some people like a smaller burst every minute. Yeah, I think I would probably be along those lines. Well, Ryan, thank you very much for joining us, man. We hope you're doing well with your family and everything. And we can't wait to see at the races. But thank you guys. I appreciate you guys having me on. And, you know, between what Ed and Todd are doing over there in Austin at that company. It's absolutely a game changer. So just like Todd said, it's not just for trophy truck drivers. You you want an edge on your competition and you want to you want to get yourself to that finish line first and you want to be dedicated and focused on our seven or you are our one you need to get this system. No question about it. I agree. Well, thank you very much, man. We'll see you soon. All right. So let's thank you guys. Let's welcome Dr. David Ferguson to the show. Dr. David Ferguson is an exercise physiologist specializing in motorsports. He's got over 15 years of experience in professional auto racing, some serious accomplishments, man, and you guys are lucky to be able to have him as part of your team. So welcome, Dr. Ferguson to the show. Hey, guys, thanks for having me. Can you hear me? Okay? Yeah, you're fantastic, man. So thank you very much for joining us and staying up late, man, I know you're across the country. But let's start with just a baseline of, of your profession. So you got into motorsports because you were into it. Right. Give us a little bit of a background. Yeah. So you know, I won't say I was a racecar driver, because I've worked with these guys and be honest. I know. They had the talent and the money. I had neither of those. Right. So I'll just say I drove cars quickly, right? And so it's funny, you were talking about Vegas to Reno, I actually grew up in Vegas. And so we were like, Yeah, I know. I know, man. So we were do some auto crosses out in Vegas in August. And if you've been there, you know, it's 16 degrees and all that stuff. And basically, one day I went up to a guy and I complimented on how he was doing. And he basically said to me, What are you talking about? I was doing horrible. And then I realized he wasn't really looking at me. He was kind of looking over that way. And he was seeing triple he was so dehydrated, so overheated, that he Yeah, couldn't really comprehend what was going on. He couldn't see what was going on. He really couldn't even function. So that kind of ticked it off. I was like, Oh my gosh, there's all this effort that goes into engineering, the race cars, who's the engineering and the driver who's looking after these guys. So that started a Yeah, 15 year journey of trying to understand the physiology of racecar drivers. And so we've, we've bounced all over the country all over the world. We've done stuff with NASCAR IndyCar Formula One sports car, those two guys on the couch there got me into off road racing. So they told me that that was basically the real form of racing, I fully believe them with those guys, to racers. Hey, you know, they let me get some data on some off road racers, and I'm converted. So you know, yeah, so that's how it all started. And basically, I've my lab at Michigan State has been dedicated to trying to understand the stresses placed on the drivers and how to alleviate that stress and improve performance and safety. And, you know, I'm the academic. I'm the professor, which means it's kind of my job to find the problem with all of these devices. aces and gimmicks and tricks out there. And I couldn't do it these guys, there's just like the only one that actually works. So we did a study with them. We kind of did one small one, and then one big one with them. And yeah, it's pretty impressive and how it lowers lowers core temperature, maintains hydration, and then increases performance, which is really kind of cool. So yeah, it's been he's a legend. Yeah. He's like, he's like, honestly, like one of the one of the dream people that I would have liked to have been a part of my team like, So fun fact is, I'm a massive fan of data, right. And I've always wanted to know how my body can work better whether it was when I was a young kid training to be a professional dirt bike racer, or even now so I can walk better or do things better, right? Like, I am a huge fan of self improvement. And when I understand that he's reverse engineering the human beings so that he can better it like that, to me is the most intriguing thing. Like I could probably spend weeks talking to Dr. Ferguson about little intricate stuff like this, and you guys have the opportunity to evolve and help people with his knowledge. We've spent a lot of time with Dr. David, we've been on the road with him more than once into IndyCar NASCAR certainly off road. And yeah, my my ears are always open, because he's just a wealth of knowledge he just is. So he's taking what we've developed and taking it to the next level. And there's a plan for him to take it to another level. No. Okay. Well, that sounds cool. All right. So let's use me as the baseline again, Dr. Ferguson is sure, give me a little bit of an understanding of what I would be experiencing, just waiting till I get to the next pitstop to drink a bottle of water. Sure. So first off, you're not really going to know you're that dehydrated, you might feel tired, you might feel hot, you might feel uncomfortable. But you're actually going to think you're okay. And that's kind of the first problem is you're not really going to know how dehydrated you are. So you want to kind of play a game. And yeah, let's do an expert stop. All right. So how much force does your brake pedal require? To press all the way down max pressure? I'm going to say 8.9 pounds? 8.9 pounds. All right? How many times do you think you're going to press that before you get to the pitstop pissed off to PitStop? How many times you think you're gonna have to hit it 60 960 100 times? All right? What if I told you that you would screw that up half the time, I would be really, really pissed because I have confidence and my ego would be smashed. So I hate to do it to you. I'm gonna smash your ego right now. So one of the things we did with this system was, we did a big simulator study to look at how this dehydration influences fatigue. And the way it manifests is because you're cognitively fatiguing, your skeletal muscles are fatigued. And by the way, big shout for Todd for actually getting all that stuff correcting is going through the demo. You can't generate peak brake pressure. And even more dangerously, you can't modulate the peak brake pressure, but you think you can. So you think you're going full brake pressure. And you're not. And this is when you call in to the crew chief and you say, Hey, man, the tires are shot, the brakes are shot, like it's not working the car sounds bad. Now it's you. All right, you can't generate the brake pressure. And you can't modulate the pressure. Yeah. And it it becomes like muscle memory. So you think you're doing it properly? Right? Exactly. Right. But David and explain to him on on the on the lake muscles, what happens under dehydration with the leg muscles compared to other muscles in your body? Yeah, so the way your muscles generate forces, there's these two kind of filaments that can trapped, right. And when you get dehydrated, you lose the ability to connect those is called excitation contraction coupling. Don't make me repeat it. I don't want to sound like a professor after 830 at night. So you lose the ability to do that. But there aren't any sensory nerves and your skeletal muscle fibers, which means you're not telling your brain that you're not getting peak force, right. So as you go through this, you're going to slowly be lose your ability to generate peak brake pressure, but you're a professional driver, you're a pro, you're not going to crash the car, you're not going to flip over the truck, but you're going to lose time, you're probably going to end up tearing up your tires. And if we take this to like an IndyCar circuit, where braking is everything you're going to generate understeer and slide the car off the track. So it's kind of this really unique observation. And what's great about it is just that consistent micro dosing of hydration that the fluid logic system gives you, weed covers all of that. So, so wild to me to even think about like as a human being like, first of all, when I got an off road racing, I was fit. I just did an Ironman. I did all these like I was Good, right? But now that I think about that simple thing, like I already figured out in my head, probably 100 mistakes that I made at Wildhorse pass in one short course raise. Sure, sure. And I think too, you know, with, with the amount of UTVs, that now are going quicker and quick, quicker. The break packages are not great on most of the equipment out there. So having ultimate brake pressure and being able to go from point A to point B, point A to point B, from turn to turn is super important. Well, this game is just about brake pressure. But we're talking about the steering wheel, we're talking about everything. And these some of these races are now only being one by five 610 seconds, right? Yeah. Over two days of racing. You got it. So so this what Dr. David's talking about, is not just pavement racing. It's all racing. That's wild, man. Okay, so it looks like we had a comment come in. Is there a way to from kingpin motorsports? Is there a way to monitor yourself or to know how often you'll need to actually drink? Yeah, fluid logic? Well, what's so what's the baseline? If I get the system? What do I do to know what I need, like what I do to understand what my body needs? Well, you can do it one of two ways. You can either dial into the system and ask him to alert you every minute, like Ryan was saying four minutes, we have drivers that like to get hydrated every minute. Yeah. And you start to figure out what works for you. You can hit the button anytime you want. But as far as programming it so that it alerts you, once you figure out what you like, in being alerted how often you want to drink, then you set it to that got it. Okay, so it might take a little bit of time to get used to it. You go out testing and you kind of do it. You know, it is all racecar drivers like to dial in their equipment. There's just one more thing to dial in. Yeah, that's cool. Okay, so we have a couple more comments. And then I have over here on Facebook, and then we'll get to you Andrew, is actually so what's the rough cost of the system. rough cost. So two models, flush 360 or coaxial system, plus 360 is 10 1050. And flush three. Coax coaxial system is 1199. So right there in the market for a team, I'm going to set the tires nowadays is is you know,$2,000 $2,500. So that's UTV tires. Okay. Yeah. So I'm not telling you anything new. I mean, people do look at it and go, Wow, you know, I could buy, I could buy a bladder and drink out of a hose. Yeah, you can. But you're like, I always tell people, you know, you're spending all this money to get here to do this. Why not invest in the complete package? You know, I was at, I'll tell you a quick story. This is dirt related. But I know that this shows mainly dirt. But you know, I talked to ganassi racing on a sports car, their catalog car, and he's like, Nah, you know, I don't want to put that put it in the Cadillac car, I'm like, hold on a second, you have 10 engineers up in the front of the of the trailer, trying to figure out how to go to a 10th. Quicker, right, you're spending 1000s of dollars a day, you can invest in this system for two of your drivers. And there's a good chance that you're gonna pick up three tenths in the last quarter of the race, right? And he looked at me and he's like, damn, Todd, I never thought of it that way. Exactly. I'm like, that's the way you need to think about it. And that's what's happening in the world of motorsport from dirt to pavement, is people are now starting to look at Fluid logic for additional lap time. We had a win this weekend in IndyCar? Yeah, yeah. We won this weekend. So that's great. That's awesome. Well, we had a couple more comments, Andy DeSoto, said totally worth it. And then, let's see here, Sean Lindbergh on Facebook said Is there a way to know how little or much you need to drink. You know, I mean, I always tell, I always tell pavement, people, you know, hit the button, if they don't want to program it, hit it at the start finish line. You know, take a little sip, you know, you can do every lap. Every lap, just wet your mouth, you know, the goal is to keep your body hydrated, right? If you're thirsty, you take a bottle of water like me, and you know, you drink half of it. And one goal, you know, this is to keep your body whatever you think you're sweating out. You're putting back in, right, right, every two to three minutes, you're pushing, you're up on the wheel, you're you're going as hard as you can to, to that next pit before somebody else gets in, you may want to take you know something every three minutes. Ryan told you he sweats a ton. He does that every four minutes, he takes about two and a half milliliters of water, which is not a lot. It's just enough to keep his mouth and his tongue wet. So all two things is first I want to make a comment that if you guys do entertain one of these want to entertain one of the systems in your vehicle. Just go ask one of the drivers, there's tons of guys that run fluid logic, you can look at their Instagram page, you can see all the drivers or send a direct message to the dirt life and we'll connect you with somebody and we'll see if we can help and you guys can talk with those drivers directly. But Dr. Ferguson, what do you usually suggest to people or what would you suggest to me if I'm putting this in my car and I don't I wanted a little bit of a baseline. So if this was your first time you know You're going to have hydration, the cards is the first effort, I would say, why don't you start at about 25 mil, maybe about 35, or 40 mils every two minutes. So you could go every minute, you don't really want to do anything less than a minute of drinking, it's just going to be too monotonous for you, right? The every two to every four minutes is a great starting point. If you're a bigger guy, you can probably take a little bit more fluid every time you press the button, if you're a little bit smaller, it can be a little bit lower. But you know, all the stuff that we did the pilot trials with this stuff, 25 mils, every two minutes is a great place to start. I saw a lot of comments kind of come up about how much should you drink? How much should you take? A really good place to start is 10 milliliters of fluid per kilogram of body weight. So if you're, you know, like me, you're 150 pounds at 70 kilograms. If you multiply at times 10, that's seven or milliliters of water over a course of an hour, roughly, right. And so that's kind of a nice starting point. There's some really high end equipment that you could get to measure that figure that out, you guys don't need that. 25 mils, every two minutes should get you there. That's really good advice, too. So that's a good starting spot for when I get this installed in the razor, then, well, what has been some of the biggest things that you have seen with drivers after they install the system and and their, I guess cognitive reflexes or cognitive function? I don't know how I don't know how you would monitor during the race, like, can you talk to him or you talk to the team or whatever. But when you see him after, like, you saw the guy that was confused, but now he's better. Yeah. This This might sound bad, but there's racers on this. So they understand. They complain less after the race. They're not as cranky, right? So you know, you know, it's a lot easier to have conversations with them. They don't look so parched. Like they actually have color in their face. They're like pale white or bright red, which is kind of neat to see. Yeah, there you go. The other thing that I've noticed is from a cognitive perspective is after the race, you can actually talk data with them like think about that you can actually talk about what happened in the race. They can talk about Alright, at this corner, I did this and the car responded this way. Before I had seen the system the car a lot of times it's a lot of push a lot of understeer, a lot of like just kind of big vague things that doesn't really help you that much. So now it's really getting into their brain. So that's exactly what Todd said that he was telling the engineer, hey, we could give you this because you're spending all this money doing this. But if you came to them with that answer, and said, Hey, you can get solid data from the driver after he's done with the races. They'd be like sold. Yeah, gotta wait. A great part of David first and his we have a study. Right? We've done the work. We have black and white paperwork that we can send to engineers and teams and they can see it in black and white. Not all of them buy into it just because they're worried about saving two pounds inside of racecar, right? We run into that all the time. But an off road, the truck weighs 5000 pounds, 6000 pounds. The good part is a lot of these off road guys that are racing now. They're athletes now they're they're putting money into this. They're training they're running. They're riding bikes, Like Ryan said, it's a serious business for them now, absolutely. Some of the winningest drivers like Phil Burton and Beau judge, both of them are like, what do they call them? The the guys that ride the horses like jockeys, like they they train themselves, they lose as much fruit weight as possible, and stick to a strict regimen. Like it's insane. It's crazy. And we went to Crandon last week. And it was unbelievable, right? The amount of people that said, hey, you know, I've never thought about this, you know, we're only really in we're only racing for about 2530 minutes. But we're sitting in the car for 20 minutes before we even hit too dark. And it's 110 degrees outside. And those guys there was those guys run it hard for for 15 laps right there running wheel, the wheel pushing on it. And the great part of this is is the tires are great. The motors are great. The drivers are great. Where's the weak link? Yeah, right. Is it hydration? Maybe that's the only thing that's going to make Kyle Leduc better than an RJ to meet to me the answer is focus. Like I don't want to lose focus and the hydration makes you the focus right. So like, and so let's let me give another example to you real quick. Dr. Ferguson is Yep, we raced in Arizona a lot at Wild Horse pass. And usually they would try to get it out of the summer but one one year I think it was in September, August, like it was hot, like it was probably ambient maybe 110 to 115 out. It was roughly I don't know I wouldn't just guess it was 125 to 130 Inside the car, and we're in our Nomex suit or in our fire suits. You know, they're double layer I mean We're sweating. By the time I get to the starting line, I've stopped sweat or get to the track, I stopped sweating, because I've already lost so much fluid, right. But we're in the car for roughly 15 to 45 minutes, depending on how many caution flags this particular race, we were in the car for almost an hour. And that is a very, very small time compared to a desert race. And I remember I was messed up for three weeks to a month after that individual moto that we did. And that was the only time I was out on the course that weekend. So what you're describing is actually like heat exhaustion or heat injury. And it's, it's really common, if you've stopped sweating, congratulations, you had it, basically, you've lost over two and a half percent of your body weight, which think about how much you weigh. And if you lost that much in sweat, that's a lot. Now, you know, everything you described, you're going to, you know, reaction, time focused response, accuracy is going to go down. But here's the thing, the first time you get hit injury, you have a 60% higher risk of getting it the next time, right. So let's say you go back in, and you have a very similar race, let's say it's not even as hot, you're gonna have the same thing happened to you. And you know, the sad part where this comes into play is you, you know, could make a mistake that could result in a crash and injury to you to a competitor to a fan. And that's, that's kind of scary. And if you think well shoot, if I can just press this one button on my steering Well, I can prevent that. That's, that's cheap insurance. Compared to oh my god, I will tire the safety equipment, all that stuff. I would have loved to have had that option back then. Man, well, maybe maybe I did. I just didn't know. But now, hopefully, some other people will know. We're gonna get Casey Currie on in just a little bit here. Dr. Ferguson, is there a couple other things that you want to give us like examples, or maybe another game that we could play to give a little bit better understanding of how the system helps the human body? Well, I love I love games, I love systems. You know, I'll tell a story of I won't name the team. But there was one team and I these guys on the couch will know that they didn't want to put the system in for the weight. Reason, right. And a driver made a mistake on pit road that cost them a 32nd penalty. They lost the race by 31 seconds. So you know that one mistake, it was a mistake related to dehydration and overheating, right? And if you think about and I'll let these guys do the math for you, they'll tell you how much that system weighs. And how much weight would equate to adding 31 seconds on to your car, they'll tell you it's drastically different. Yeah, it gets to the point where teams that are concerned about weight can have a conversation with this to understand that the weight you put in the car is equal to the amount that you're going to drink throughout the car. So go back to David Ferguson's description of 25 mils every four minutes. Well, there's math there, there's science there. And if I'm going to be in the car for a 300 mile race, maybe three or four hours, sure, I'm only going to drink 32 fluid ounces. So that's all I need to bring, we would do the same thing for the cars like we would measure the actual fuel that we would put in the car to make sure we are exactly the way when we get on the track. And then we would make sure that we had enough mud back on the car so we're at way when we got off the chair, I mean we're talking three pounds. Yeah, well that's it that's it's it's a game of science. It's a game of measurement. That's wild. So you don't have to take you know, Todd was explaining we got a 32 ounce we have a 64 ounce, you can fill a 64 ounce up with 40 fluid ounces of water if that's what the math tells you that you need. And then just stay judicious stay to the tune of science. Every time the light comes on. You hit the button 25 mils don't drink more. Don't drink less. Just stay stay on course and keep racing. Yeah, exactly. I think we had a couple of comments. One was from Desert Squadron and then we got one from Cali Boise tech and then I think Andrew is going to let Casey curry and what were the comments from Cali boy as to make your co driver lose two pounds. Perfect. You can run the boat, Bajaj and Phil blurton program cowboy. And then there was one from Desert squadron I think as well. I mean, yeah, I wish I would have known all of this growing up playing hockey, I would lose five to 10 pounds in water weight every game. Yeah. And that's nice. Well, the great thing is that you know kids these age and on top dive kids similar ages is that we put it into their brain constantly. Stay hydrated, bring your water to the track, bring your water to school, it's already ingrained into your mind, but it seems to have gone away when you got in the race car. And the great thing about David Ferguson's teachings and what we've developed is that we're bringing that science back tuck, we're gonna make a better driver. Yes By just by something as simple as keeping them optimally hydrated. So, Dr. Ferguson, if you can hang on for a sec, we're gonna have Casey Currie join and then and then we'll have you bail out maybe about five more minutes or so. But I'd like to have you guys talk or have a group conversation with Casey as well, because Casey does all kinds of different racing. So Casey is a dat Car champion. We're gonna call him with tying with Ricky Bray Beck for bringing home the DAT Car Championship to the United States. But he's done every single type of racing and he even does trail riding with his jeeps and all kinds of stuff. But he does everything. He does everything. But Casey is also on the leading edge of off road, right. We had Casey on the show a couple of weeks ago. Welcome Casey curry to the show. Hello, hello. Hey, man. So how long have you actually been using fluid logic? We've been some my second year I started Vegas arena last year. Yeah, it's been a full years in Vegas. Reno's right. Game changer, big game changer. Yeah, it sat on a shelf at his shop for about a year. He's like, I got one of those. Should I use it? And I'm like, let's get it in the truck. finally gets it in. What was the reason that you actually wanted to put the system in the truck did you have any issues or anything before you know, using camel backs or water the biggest thing that we were having an issue was was like the hose would always seem to fall off your even if you have it strapped to your shoulder strap somehow it'd be under an arm, you know, under your arm, or flip over the back and be stuck underneath your you know, your neck device. But it's like when you have that 32nd break where you're allowed to, you know, you can drink with, you know, with a time given you can't find your hosts even get a drink. So you get back to the pits and it's burnt on your exhaust pipe or something like it literally. Yeah, the biggest thing for me that well, obviously now running into the Parker pumper. I mean, now just, it's it's mind blowing, but the host portion of it was, is my biggest frustration was never being able to have the hose when you need it. And I think Casey I mean, I've been I've been helping Casey out. We've been partners in crime and a lot a lot of deals in the past. He's always been looking for that advantage. Right? I mean, from from the days of racing short course before he was even doing cheeping you know, he was always looking for that advantage. that competitive edge right. And now with the trophy Jeep in the United get to him with the the UTV, but I'm sure he's not done racing UTVs in that car, and things like that. So hopefully, he brings me along for the next trip. But he's always looking for that advantage. And I think he found it with fluid logic. So Casey, you've always been physically fit and stuff with all the stuff you've been doing bicycle riding dirt, bike riding and stuff. But when you started using it, were you seeing some of the benefits of Dr. Ferguson has talked to us about before, like, better cognition and focus and reflexes, Oh, 100%. When you get to a race, like the car, or even like, you know, Vegas or in or ball 1000, once you're once once your body goes in any form of dehydration, like the mental clarity and everything else is out the window. And at that point, it's just fatigue thing, just, you don't know at what point your body's going to go into that mindset of not being able to focus at 110%. So for me, I mean, that's where, you know, staying hydrated is always important. I do know from training and riding their bikes over the years, I do you know how important it is. And like, you know, now having the ability to stay hydrated all the time. And you know, and having it not be that super muggy, warm water and a bad. Yeah, then it tastes like plastic. God, I hated that so much. But Dr. Ferguson. So, again, using me as the example, how would How would I know? Or how would Casey know? You guys talked about muscle memory? And you don't know if you're hitting the brakes? Or you do think you're hitting the brakes hard enough? How would I know that? Like how would I be able to understand that I'm fatigued or Alright, my cognitive reflexes aren't 100%. So the truth is, if you're dehydrated, you won't really know that you're not going to have a switch that goes off that says, Oh, I'm dehydrated, I'm not going to generate brake pressure, I'm not gonna be able to modulate it. And that's kind of the danger of it right? Now. Well, you'll figure that out is kind of like what Casey was talking about is you have the right system now and you're drinking and you're getting hydrated. You might run the same race or the same, you know, kind of set up being like, oh, cars handling a lot different now. I'm feeling really good cars feeling really great. This feels great. Wow, this is this thing is going to rocket ship. And another thing, you know, drives on rails. And that's kind of the beauty of it of Ask any racer, you know, tell them that they will have compromised performance, but they won't know it. Ask them how they feel about it. And then ask them if you could give them something would fix it. Would they take it dude, I mean, that's a great sales pitch. I'm putting that in my book but there that there's a great example in what he's saying though, too is because like, Casey, you know this feeling you've been out there on track and been like Dude, I had a fucking flawless day I was on point all day. That's because your body was good to go like maybe the day before you ate the right food and all of a sudden you're like, you're you're there, right? Like you're in the zone. And then the next like, time you get out to the races, you're like, fuck, why am I feeling so like I lag? I'm not feeling good, like you feel tired? Like, that's probably exactly what Dr. Ferguson is talking about. Yeah. Well, for me, the car is where comes into play, because you know, just getting dehydrated, and having a tough shitty day in the desert sucks. But when you have to do it, 14 days in a row, like, dehydration really becomes an effect on you know, the following day, right when you sleep bad that night, because now your body is trying to recover. So you don't sleep good. Now you wake up tired. And then you have a headache, because your body's just trying to recover on itself. Yeah, hydrate and that's to me. And when it comes to races, like the car were just like we're talking about you you're talking about, you know, when you're doing 14 days to something in a row, you don't have that one day to that you can be dehydrated, or your body can't work 100% Because now, they nine or 10, when everything has to be 100%. Hydration is so important. And obviously like for us like no different than in the car than in the states, like you're in the car between 12 and 16 hours a day. So like, if you're not drinking, it's not like you can get up the end of the day, and think you're gonna drink five or six waters and be fine for the next day. By that point, your body's already screwed up. And at that point, the next day is just going to be miserable. And that's so crazy. You know, I think you could slip into dehydration really, really quickly, just like you can stay out of it optimally as well. I think also to a racing driver is not just driving the car anymore. He's got GPS, he's got computers, he's got RPM, he's got all the data that they're feeding him all the time in a off road car now, right? He's not just driving the car. Yes, the CO driver is giving them notes. But when Casey's behind the wheel, he's got to be thinking not just about how fast he's going, but also the condition of the vehicle, right? And if he is not hydrated and paying attention, that's when you drop a wheel, that's when you hit a rock, that's when you make a mistake that could be fatal for the for the race. Right, you could be done. Yeah, that's a that's a massive thing to talk about, man. Well, we're gonna Jeff proctor is going to come on and join us in about two minutes here. Is there anything that that you would ask Dr. Ferguson that would help you explain or improve your program, Casey with the fluid logic system? I mean, I don't feel that I'm good at any situation. I mean, I need a lot of help. Me, I'm I'm open here, I just, you know, obviously, I just want to be the best that I can be. So obviously, Hydration is key. But obviously just anything for mental mental clarity and, and focus is what you know what I'd love to learn more about. Yeah, that's cool. And Dr. Ferguson, you probably have a lot of information on that. Well, we, you know, case, you and I could talk for hours on that. But you know, the right guys on the couch there. So no connection to me will take care of, you know, of some good stuff, you know, so. And that's the thing, you know, my lab is an open lab to any driver that wants to come and learn about this stuff and work with it. I'm a firm believer in what Ed and the team have done with fluid logic. We've tested a lot of products, a lot of products to try and help drivers. This is the only one we found that worked. And I would tell them if it didn't work, they weren't like me, but I would tell them. So, you know, kind of the interesting thing about this, you know, if you do this correctly, if you use the system correctly, you won't have to pee in the car. Like that's something I know a lot of drivers worry about and get scared about. But if you do it right, you won't be peeing in the car. You know, what's funny about that is like we're talking to Casey curry, we're talking about all of us, but there's professional women that drive as well. And there's two that I actually specifically know that don't like even wearing the catheters and stuff like that for themselves. Like if they knew that this existed, I think that they would be insanely stoked because they would because they would be able to operate their program with potentially not being in the car. Yeah, and you can design it you can take some tweaking and some adjusting, but you can get it there it will work. Dude, it's so crazy. Like, honestly, I want to mount this to my bicycle. So I could have got this when I was riding bicycles like triathlons and stuff David Ferguson and I did a could have been three four years ago with Ricky Johnson and the Baja 1000. And we collected data that that was really the reason that we said let's go full speed into this because the data we collected show that RJ during the time that he was in the driver's seat was perfectly hydrated heart rate was the same. blood oxygen level was the same core body temperature was the same. Outside body temperature was the same heart rate again was perfect the whole time. We saw a blip in the heart rate we thought oh my god, what happened here when we got out to change a flat tire, oh, in the car, instantly connected. And for the next, you know, hours and hours. He might have been in the car for 1213 hours, but he was perfectly in Tire time. Dang, that's crazy. And Casey, your co drivers. Actually we have a question. I think Andrew, not a question more. So we have Jeff proctor ready. Okay. We're gonna get Jeff on in just a second here. Let me ask Casey one last question. So Casey, do your co drivers use this Erin, and Shawn? Oh, yeah, we ever we're all hooked up. So we, I mean, we use it, we have the magnetic mount. So at this point, like, just for the speed of just getting your helmet on and off and everything. The whole system is flawless. So yeah, absolutely. Do everyone and that's one of the reasons I wanted my play card so that every time I get out, I don't freak and yank my head on the goes did. All right, boys. Well, thank you very much, Dr. David Ferguson. And obviously Casey dude is awesome seeing you, guys. Thanks, guys. Take care of Casey. Thank you guys very much for the info. All right, so we're gonna get Jeff proctor on the on the line here. Jeff is obviously a Baja champion man. He's won a bunch of races down there. He's the proprietor of the PRG race program, Proctor race group, and the factory Honda off road racing program. And they also use fluid logic in the Honda Talon program as well. So we're gonna welcome Jeff proctor in just a second here to the show. Jeff, what's up, man? Hey, guys, how's it going? We're doing fantastic. Dude, I have learned so much today. I know you and I have been bicycle riding. And you're a big physical or a physically fit person as well. You like being an athlete and keeping your body as good as possible. Man, this thing sounds like it's a must in my book. Gosh, I have to say JD guys. Kudos, man. There's been a wealth of information. I hope racers, non racers. Anybody out there is listening today and gathering all of this information. Hydration really is a game changer. And fluid logic makes that possible. So what has been some of the reasons that you wanted to even entertain putting this stuff in your in your truck? Like what was the experiences or bad things that have happened in your racing program? Maybe you got confused on race or anything like that, that you wanted to make sure that you were more cognitive in the vehicle. Yeah, so I can share one one very specific incidents. I was racing the Baja 500, which is very hot. It was in June, I think in 2018. And there was several fatalities, due to heat exhaustion, dehydration, that sort of thing. That race. super sad deal, we raced out through the San Felipe area. Anyway, I didn't nine hours 10 The truck. I obviously, it was outside temps for about 120. So inside temps were 150 in my race truck, holy. Hell, nine hours, I got out of stop and walked around the race truck and set on a bush in the middle of the race course. Instead of walking into my pit, I walked around the truck into an active race course and sat next to a bush. I had no idea what I was doing. I was completely incoherent. And my team had to grab me and pull me back off of the race truck or a race track. That's how deliberate I was blowing bubbles and Delirious I was. But that you know what's funny about him? Well, no, it's not funny that that happened to him. But you know, what's crazy about the situation is that happens to a good and I'm just gonna throw a number out there. This is not a true number, but 15% of the drivers or whatever on the in those events, right? Like, I remember the Baja 1000 Last year, like dudes are getting out of the car to in the six hour, eight hour nine hour stance. And they were just like going to bed right next to where they got out of the car in the pits like falling asleep on the trailer where people were trying to load up like they were done. Yeah, it's easy to do. It's easy to do because you keep pushing yourself further and further. You know that the pits coming? You've got to get there at a certain time to try to keep the vehicle together. So you're totally focused on it and your body. Your mind is allowing you to do that. But the moment you get there and you say okay, I'm here for a moment. Like what Jeff didn't he got out of the car. Yeah, now all of a sudden that dehydration kicked in. That's wild. Yeah, cuz you don't have adrenaline, I guess anymore. How Jeff? For sure. And the sad thing is, it's like there's not much you can do other than Yeah, other than try to deceive you to really recover from that. Yeah, exactly. I mean, there really isn't damaged was a man that's created like Dr. Ferguson. Yeah, like Dr. Ferguson said to like, once you get dehydrated once that happens easier. Yeah. It's a footprint. Yeah. And that's what becomes dangerous. I mean, he called it you know, an injury and that's exactly what it is. Yeah. Your body starts to cut off where the water is gonna go. Your mind does, so it's not going to give it to the limbs. It's gonna give it to the chest and the brain. Yep. And it's gonna go into service. I will mode what his point was, your body will go quicker into survival mode the next time and the next time and the next time. Yeah, that's That's horrible. That's horrible. Okay, so Jeff, I'm gonna ask you a two part question. The first one is, after using the system, how did you start feeling? And then was that what made you want to put it in the support program that you have for the Honda talons and your younger drivers? Yeah, that incident in 2008 to 500 was really a wake up call saying, Hey, I've got to start taking this hydration game serious, started doing a bunch of research. And you know, shortly thereafter, you know, I meet the team at Fluid logic, we put it in the race truck first and the first race out of the gate. I don't remember what race it was. But I have to say, I was one of the early adopters back me up on this talk. And so, you know, I implemented the truck and it was night and day difference 100% You know, 180 difference from drinking out of a hot Camelback every once in a while in a pit to having real hydration with the push of a button. You're in the race truck. That's insanely cool. And so Jeff, you know me a little bit and so my brain has been scrambled a few times, how would it help me because I you sometimes have a little bit of trouble keeping focused, I guess you could say, you know, like my ADD kicks in squirrel. But how would it help me stay focused? If I'm deciding to go do a Baja 500? Yeah, you look at awkward racers. I mean, we've got to see focus for a stint of six hours, nine hours straight. I mean, not to take anything away from you know, a sports car racer, but offered racers spend a lot of time and that those cognitive abilities can really deteriorate if you're not staying hydrated. And so the logic system allows you to stay hydrated and allows your cognitive functions to be sharp for long periods of time. Hey, so we have a comment come in totally off subject they go. Is that guy single? He's pretty cute. Mr. Boiling Point creative. He's. He's our creative director here. Oh, read on. Well, it sounds like you're gonna have a good time in the office this week taken. But yeah, so Jeff, thank you for explaining that. And that makes me feel a lot more comfortable, right? Because that's an easy thing that I can do to improve anytime I get out on the track or even if I go on a long trail ride. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, for the general consumer, even out at Glamis on a hot day out and aka to Wells wherever they're going. I mean, this system is the system to stay hydrated for you, your family, your navigator, if you're racing, anything like that, have any of the guys that are part of the Honda talent, Honda Talon program, told you about how it helped positively affect their race program. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, those guys do longer stints in their talons than I do in my race truck. And it's been a game changer for them. They swear by it, every race, they're asking to make sure that their their system is prepped and ready to go. Those using the 64 ounce bottles, and it's very, very effective for them. Their entire skin. You know, I think one thing too, you know, when you're when you're running, you're running towards the front of the group, right? You know, the train after they've pre run constantly changes, right? Obviously, for a trophy truck guy. They're going at the speed they're going nowadays, the train is treacherous, right. Then you back it up to a UTV that starts quite a bit behind them. Just think how gnarly the racetrack is, by the time a UTV guy makes it there. And if he's not 100% sharp on what he's doing behind the wheel, that's when you can have the big one. Well, I'm glad you said that, because we're going to transition in just a little bit. The next guest after Jeff is going to be Bruce Bankwest. And he was actually told me in a conversation that when they did start up towards the front of the field, it was like a completely different race. So we can when we talk to him, we'll ask him about that too. So Jeff, when when you have other drivers like I'm going to just call you for sake of this conversation, I'm gonna call you the Papa Bear because you have to get all of these guys in their Honda talons to the finish line as you do your race program as well. So being Papa Bear, you probably are stoked to see the drivers when they come across the finish line and they're still hydrated and still peppy and still ready to go. Yeah, so I've seen both both scenarios, to be honest with you. We just got down with Vegas Torino. And I can tell you, the drivers that paid on their hydration plan, were alert and they had energy finish line and I can tell you and I'm not singling out anybody on my team, but there is a noticeable difference in actually your average speed in your final 100 miles at Vegas Torino and it If you're feeling sluggish, and you haven't stuck to your hydration plan, I mean, you're looking at scrubbing an average of five to 10 miles per hour off the speed that you should be normally going to compete. Are you searing that much? Yes, in an ultra compact, do that's insane. It's cognitive reflexes. I mean, you, you, we all know when you're behind the wheel, how much you're processing. It's every bush and every turn in every rock and what's in front of you and what's 500 feet in front of you. Your mind is a computer that whole time, and your brain is 70% water your body 65% water. So if you're not feeding your brain, you're starting to pink a little bit. And that just gets worse and worse. So Jeff said his description is perfect. It's it's a game of fractions of seconds, right? Not to mention on making a mistake. Well, just like Dr. Ferguson said, you don't realize that you're not pressing the brake hard enough. But yeah, that's freaking wild. Um, Andrew, I think we had a couple of comments come in. Yeah. From king pin motorsports. Do you need a separate system for each person? Or do we share one bottle? Now? It's a separate system for each person. Yeah, well, and plus, because who said I don't remember who said it. But each person can get different drink or different concoction, right? And you can tailor it to what the passenger needs compared to what the driver needs. And not to be a jerk, Jeff, but if I'm sitting passionate with you and Sharon, buddy. I run a weird concoction in mind. Nobody wants to drink what I'm drinking. Oh, you're just mixing all kinds of spinach in yours. I know. I know, Proctor. We have to watch. We have to rebuild those pumps after you use it every once in a while. It looks like we got a couple more comments that came through Andrew. Yeah. One was from Kelly boys tech. He just said, wow. And couldn't agree more with that. Then from Shannon Phillips, don't forget to mention if you're going to put Gatorade or anything else in the system, you need to flush it out. Yeah, we did actually talk about that earlier. Yeah, we talked about that. And like Todd said, you know, warm water or the system is the right thing to do. Yeah. What is your maintenance program with a Jeff. So we we actually, so it was already mentioned earlier in the broadcast, you have to make sure you flush out your helmet too. So you can flush out the system at the finish line. But if you don't flush out the helmet, the next time you go test, you're going to have all kinds of mold in the to your helmet. So the first drink you take is going to be chunks of mold. Yeah, we definitely want to flush that bad boy out then. But I do. I do think they were from what you guys said. It's easy. It takes 10 minutes, it takes 10 minutes to do in the you know, if you do get in a situation where you do have a bad part because of it. Like I was explaining the check valves. All of those components are sold separately as well. Hey, and there was a comment that came through. They liked the Papa Bear, quote, Jeff, so I think maybe we should put that on the back of your helmet one of these days. Yeah, that's one of my mechanics. All right, go for it. Andrew, what's the next comment? Got another question from Sandman? What do you have for moto desert and GP? Oh, that's a great question. Be patient. Oh, really? You got some common stuff in the works? I'm not. I'm not. I'm not gonna tell you yes or no. Okay. Well, yeah, so Jeff, I think it's really cool to understand what this what this can do. Like, I guess it's one of those things right? Like I was talking about earlier, you find a set of tires that you like on your trip or your truck or UTV you just stick to them right it looks like Oh, I love these things. When you have the system in your in your truck now it's like now you don't want to give it up right? Absolutely. I mean, think of it like this if we know that you're going to scrub five to 10 miles per hour and we're always looking for the speed six secrets there are 1000s and 1000s of dollars on our race cars. And all we have to do is put fluid like that just blows me away to think about that. Yeah, it does boil down to exactly that there's science there's numbers there's math, and this is kind of like the last bastion How do I how do I make the driver better and safer much safer. And so you guys have had Jeff thank you very much for introducing me to these guys because you and I had a conversation a long time ago when we were bicycle riding about this and it really intrigued me just because of my mentality always wanting to be physically better as a human being I think it's so cool that this actually is out there now right like to me when I see you guys at the races I feel like everybody should have this in their car just to be safe like let alone as a performance increase there's no doubt it's a it's a game changer and I think it's dollar for dollar when you're looking for speed secrets. This is the speed secret that everybody needs. Yeah, I can agree with that. Well yeah, and not to be like on the biggest sales pitch or here or whatever but like it does really intrigued me that much like I'm being completely honest. When I say like, I would love to have been able to have this in my car because I see so many mistakes that I've made just thinking about my past races just because I could have fixed it so easily. It's freaking wild to think about man. All right, well, what was one of the reasons that actually you know what a good question is? Who are some of the other drivers other than the Honda off road team and the people that we've talked to that actually use it, and maybe you could kind of tell us a little bit more about how it's involved in motorsports? Well, Todd is probably the most intimate with the different drivers that are using the system. I can just tell you this for me, speaking of Honda to see Scott Dixon and other guys on Team Ganassi say we will not race without it. Yeah, I think in the world off road, you know, you really got to look at the guys that are making it happen like Proctor and Andy McMillan and Ryan are shero and BJ Baldwin and and those are to name a few Ryan Davis and Coleman. I know a lot of the guys in the UTV classes are adopting it. We're gonna get Bruce Bankwest on here in just as little bit. Justin Smith from shock therapy, he had it in and I took a picture and I sent it to Edie. You know, it was really cool to see that people are starting to get a hold of it. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, price has always been a little little bit of a trouble with the UTV people. But I mean, look at what Bruce is doing right in the UTV market. He's run right up front with the fast guys now. So I think, you know, as we see this program, continue to develop out there at the races, talking to all the drivers, we're rolling in, we're only going to sell more systems get more systems and vehicles because people see the difference, you know, the guys that are using it, or when and racist. Yeah. Hey, Andrew, we have a comment. Yeah, we have a question or not a question. A comment from Shannon Phillips. She said hydration safety in the rulebook would be huge. No, Shana is one of Mickey Thomas actual crew chief. So it's a guy but yeah, he's, he's awesome, dude, he's, uh, go ahead. I'm going to tell you that some some organizations are going to start heading that way. You know, and I think, you know, we're pushing. I don't think we're pushing organizations to go that way. But they're starting to see drivers come in, fall out of race cars after, you know, being in the car for four hours. And the drivers are completely dehydrated. They need water, they need the ice bags on them, things like that. And the guy that won the race uses fluid logic, and he gets out and he's holding his baby and he's kissing his baby at a restaurant. Well, it sounds like it's evolving too, because Shannon just said that. He's seen it for the first time in Crandon so must meet. You know, you guys did go up there. So maybe you guys were seeing it more than he did. We did. I mean, we spent we spent four days up there. We talked to everybody. We showed everybody of course we pick real poor timing. It's the last race of the year, so no one was no one was throwing the thing in their truck right away. But going in 2023 I think we'll have I think we'll have pretty much everybody in that sport. Because it's monkey see monkey do, right? One guy gets it goes out there and wins the race. The rest of them are good saying hey, how's this guy? Good. It's just like I said before, like I'm pissed that I didn't have it in my car already. Like it sucked. But I understand the benefits of it, but you know, coulda, shoulda woulda. What's the next question? From bago like Winnebago? He said, I know Mitch Guthrie also loves it. Yeah, Mitch Guthrie does love it. You got it. And Mitch was a kid, I sponsored it when I was at KMC will and and it was my goal to get all the young kids when I was there. And I called them and I told them about the program. And one of our sales guys, Todd Davis, also talked to him about it. And he actually bought two systems. Yeah. And he put it in his car. And after he did, he says it's the best thing I've done. So I mean, I think that's that speaks for itself, you know, that that he knew he wanted to go quicker. At Vegas arena, we had a ton of interest from, you know, all the UTV guys from Europe that were over there, South racing, some of the Red Bull teams things like that. So I think we're gonna start seeing a lot of integration into Europe also. Yeah, and when a king of the hammers and stuff too, right, Andrew, another one? Yeah. From Kelly boys tech, who's been with us since the start of the podcast and Tommy said I'm sold I'm saving for one. That's my next purchase. Yeah, I definitely agree with that. Yeah, my one for your co driver too, though. I will tell you this. It's interesting because you know, Todd knows so many people in the paddock. When we go to IndyCar himself, dude, he knows everybody knows everybody, they come out of the paddock to you know, just say hi and give him a hug. And I'm standing in the background just enjoying everybody that he's talking to. But, you know, some of the feedback we've gotten from drivers has been besides feeling great behind the wheel that day in competition. They're able to fly home that night and be at the gym or be with their family on Monday where they would normally be just spent dude in that Jeff That's what like a lot of these guys are doing in their motocross programs too is they're drinking all their PT like they're staying on point. They're getting all their stuff that they need, but they have a lot shorter stents so it's a lot easier to get man. I don't even know how to keep saying it like because I keep saying it. I wish I had it in the past. Therefore, man, we could get in your car and let's go to Glamis. Rip it up, dude. I'm telling you, Jeff I'm sorry, go ahead. Yeah, I think you're bringing up a great point. And that is we're not mentioning the recovery rate as well. I mean, how are you feeling the next day after a race? You didn't hydrate properly, the recovery is so much longer without the proper hydration. Absolutely. Well, things like creative said, please. Todd Hayes for President. I agree with that. 100%. You got it. Make. Make America great. Again, Todd has, you know, Proctor one of the things too, that we don't ever talk about? I think Casey mentioned it about headaches and things, you know, guys in in, you know, off road racing. We've talked about pavement racing, they're in the car for a long time. Let's just be honest, right? And they're breathing all those gases as much as they'd say, Oh, yeah, all the exhaust goes out the back, let's just be honest, right? You hit a bump real hard. The mount comes loose a little bit, it starts pumping some some gases in the thing. Being hydrated, keep some of that stuff out of you, keeps you going longer things like that. And no one ever really thinks about all the headaches that a racing driver will get because of the, you know, intense heat, the pressure hanging on, because they're driving these cars at speed. Right? I mean, we, you know, we're driving down the road at 65 miles an hour. And we think we're hauling ass, right? These guys are running down graded roads at 125 miles an hour, right. And two days ago, when they pre ran that section, it's totally different than race day. So they do have to react quick and adjust and being sharp behind the wheel. Proctor. I've worked with proctor for many, many years. He's one of the best not only driving a race car, but also representing his sponsors. It's important to be on key. We talked about it all night about how good it makes you feel during the race and after the race. And it all is important. You know, what's funny? Is I just thinking about that, too. Like when you're talking about spa, we talk about sponsorship all the time, and how good is it that you can be on the podium and you can really represent them, instead of being like just a tired, you know, like, it's so easy to bring up the names of people we see in NASCAR and yeah, where they just, you know, they can't remember their name, and the cameras got to go off them. And it goes to our driver who's you know, in perfect condition, because they stayed hydrated throughout the entire race. I mean, we see that we see that all the time, you know, but we see, you know, you know, I wanted to bring up one thing in the old school days of racing. You know, I used to ride in a race car, we didn't drink, we didn't have nothing to drink, maybe we had a bottle of water, and that was it. And we'd stop every you know, four or five hours to get some fuel or whatever, the speeds were a lot lower. We didn't worry about hydration. But today, the level of competition is so much bigger, right? Like you said, 30 seconds, that gap is unbelievable, right? They're changing tires and fuel in less than a minute. Now in an off road, race, things like that. Don't even allow the driver to take a breath, right? catch his breath, take a drink of water, you name it. But the great part of our system is he is now doing that while he's driving, he gets back out on the road, he has to go 3555 miles an hour to get takes his hydration, he's good. He's ready to tackle the next 150 Miles knowing that every four minutes he gets to drink something that ice cold and that continues to fuel fuel his body. So I mean, those are the things today that are different than the old school guys. Right. And I think I think it's only going to evolve as we go forward. I mean, I know that I'm not done evolving fluid logic, right? And is always challenging me with this and, and that and saying, Hey, have you thought about this? I mean, our goal is to make fluid logic not only better, but lighter. And, and and more more programmable. Those are all things on our plate going forward. Yeah, that's cool. Like the progression is never never stopping. Right. All right, Jeff, let's, we're gonna get Bruce Bankwest on here in just a second. What's next on your schedule. But you know, we say that we're in show season right now. So we've got a full schedule, showing our race cars and taking care of our sponsors. We're going to stands for Super Show this weekend at the Orange County Fairgrounds. We're going to be at the off road Expo in Pomona coming up after that. Our side by sides are racing the former UTV World Championship now California 300 in Barstow in October, and then we've already started preparing for the Baja 1000 With all four of our race cars ridge line and three, three side by side. So we've got a whole for this fall and yeah, couldn't do it without fluid logic. Yeah, well, thanks, man. We really appreciate you coming on and hanging out. Before you go. We got one more comment and then we're gonna let you go. But yeah, from Desert Squadron, it's safer for the crew to less people running around to hand off water bottles in the pits can People clear up the race vehicle if something goes wrong. Yeah, that's actually a good point, Jeff because then you don't have a bunch of people running around the truck with water bottles and snacks and stuff. You know, one of the things that I gotta say about Jeff's truck and Todd brought it up he's meticulous if you look inside that ridgeline Yep, and see the way that they've dialed in the fluid logic system and see the way they've set up there, fluid containment bottles for instant replacement. They've thought about all that you're getting into the PIDs. It's just down to minutes, right? So how they click that bottle in and out in the system. They've thought about all that and it's just it's beautiful to see the light of his cars. Jeff, can we put Arnie to work? Maybe tomorrow, you can have him go to the Honda Talon or the ridge line and just do a little 15 Second Instagram story of how quickly you can get the bottle out of the car. We'll post it. That's not a problem. We can work on that dude, thank you so much, Jeff. We can't wait to see you. I'll probably see you on Friday. If you're around Friday. Please come hang out on the podcast. We're gonna do it from six to eight at sands sports Super Show. See you. Thank you. Thank you guys. Appreciate you having me. Yeah, we'll see you later. Bye. Thank you. Alright, so we're gonna get Bruce Bankwest on who wants to bail out? I'm gonna do Oh, Mt. Cosmelan. You run it, man. Bruce. All right. Well push some buttons. Yeah. On Air sac like Bruce Ben Kuis. So we're April. We're gonna get Bruce Bankwest on here. So I'll give him a little bit of an introduction. Bruce, what's going on, buddy? So Bruce Bankwest has been pushing the side by side racing forward, man, Bruce raced in the class one against trophy trucks at Silver State 300 And bake cars. And man due to qualifying was insane. And he actually finished fourth, just seconds off a third place. It was pretty insane to see all of that stuff happen. And the reason why I want to give you that good introduction is because you're pushing the limits of racing, and especially on a side by side class. So just having these little things is making a big deal, like fluid logic is making a big difference in your program. It definitely does make a big difference on program. Yeah, we've we've had some of the early prototypes, fortunately, with some great relationships we've had. I've been running a system since late 2018. And to be honest with you, your previous hydration as like Ryan talked about whatnot was a Camelback. Yeah, racing motorcycles in the desert, whatever we've done mountain biking, that was always our hydration. But but ultimately the fluid logic the ease of the system to push the button to get the hydration you need to maintain the hydration that you build going into the race a week prior is absolutely everything to stay focused and get this tensile second. Well, I want to understand how it affects your body. But I think we got a couple comments that have just come in. Yeah, we have a question from CTA Gooch. Will fluid logic team up a chill up for integrated system? Well, the quick answer on that is yes, chill out does sell our product direct. They're one of our larger dealers and distributors and the system as it's chilling the air for your helmet. Now we run right through that chilled air hose. And now the water temperature goes up even or the temperature drops even further. So cold water well, it's already cold kind of our bottle, but the length of time between drinks that water is living in your air hose. So if your air hose is chilled because of chill out, now you're keeping the consistent cold water all the way up to your mouth. So I guess the quick answer on that one Andrew is yes. Yeah, that's pretty cool, man. Is there any other ones or no? Yeah, one from Kelly boy as tech he said I love Bruce's car. Big fan dude who doesn't like that thing. If anybody knows about carbon fiber, they know Bruce's car is a Bichon car man. All right. So how his I don't know how to put it. How has it changed how you felt like what did you feel like when you were just drinking out of Camelback when you get out of the car compared to how it is now? Well, I just think the ease of the of the fluid delivery through the Aqua calm through the helmet and be able to drink with rather than like some of the guys have talked about. You're looking for your hose. That's velcroed you know, you're trying to hit a whoops at 60 miles an hour or whatever it literally going through the whips at Laughlin at 80 miles an hour drinking. And I mean that is just it's second nature. We don't even think about it anymore. You know, Rob fabs got a busy job and he's our navigator in the BDI geyser car. I constantly on our live stream and Vegas to Reno when guys were riding along with us. I'm like rad fab, you need to drink because he's talking so much. Yeah, as he walking us through all of our course notes and the course the dust and what we've got going on. So it's really important to have that reminder for both the navigator and the racing driver to operate at that highest level of you know, we're intellectually solving 1000s of problems that you're processing your brain and in your hand foot I you know calculations risk reward stuff going on and you have to be firing on all cylinders and and in our view Oh, is hydration with fuel fluid logic. Yeah, man, it's crazy to think about all that stuff in the lake of being a racer myself, like I keep thinking about how much it would have benefited if I had had the like, it's all in the past. Right. But it's like, it's insanely cool that you have the opportunity to have this. Yeah, no, I totally agree. I was I was fortunate enough to, like set get the vertical 3d mutual friends as we go back to 3d parts. And I mean, we would literally fly in his airplane to their shop in Arizona, just to try a part and figured out if it was going to work or not, and then fly back. And we did that on a regular basis. We were doing the same thing in sports cars. At the same time, we were going back and forth. We're doing that with Jimmie Johnson and other when we ran into the NASCAR race and the airplane for the day with the boys, you know, go get in a different vehicle and a different car and try it. But, you know, one thing that Jeff really talked about that was super important was the recovery. Right? I mean, we're getting punished in these UTVs trying to go you know, the speeds of class one cars, yeah. And trophy drugs. And, and I've noticed when I didn't race with it previous to racing, I would be a two, three or four day recovery. You got to be at work on Monday, and I got to be at work at Monday, but he earned it Yeah, so I can tell you that when I'm out of the car after Vegas, Reno I'm like let's turn around and go back right now. Let's go I was the same thing. I would not have felt that way had I not been drinking out of my Aqua calm. That's crazy. All right, Andrew, what's a comment from hostile link some more love for VDI geyser that guys are in cars a beast? And here we got some big media guys are fans on fan? Yeah, how could you not every now and then I can tell you that the boys back in the shop, if they're watching huge thanks to them. I mean, all the partners of fluid logic and everyone that's helped support our program. You know, I'm not an easy guy, because I expect excellence, you know, in every part of our deal and how we represent our sponsors on the r&d and feedback we give to the development of for the fluid logic system where you make things better, because we want to make things better. We're looking for those 10 seconds. Yeah. Sounds like we got another comment. Andrew? Yeah, from Mr. Shannon Phillips. Sorry about that. Has anyone ever said that it helps them mentally because they're not fatigued? Question point. Yeah, I think that's mainly what I've been talking about is like, I wish I had this. And I'm, I'm gonna keep talking about it. Because like, I'm a massive fan of being able to have my body at the top level. And what's what did you notice? Did you notice that you were you were not as fatigued like you felt like you could still push harder at certain points? Well, I mean, you know, I come from racing motorcycles, you know, as a kid growing up in the desert, and then getting into road racing on the pavement. And it all comes down to your level of focus, right? And the ability to have to be so razor sharp and your focus and decision making. And more importantly, like they talked about a little bit with the Ganassi stuff is the driver feedback to your race engineer. And the clarity, you have to feel that at that point is important, your brain and your body and your muscles start shutting down. When you start dehydrated, you probably don't even realize I know that there's been a million times that I've felt good after a long distance event or even in the race car, and I get out and then the next day, I'll be like, Oh, I don't know, I can definitely tell you one of the most important things I do leading into going racing and race week is hydration, period. I'd come out of there and I feel like frickin Superman. And we actually so let's talk about this actually, Andrew, did we have another question? Yeah, a couple comments. And then a question from Riley. Bankwest. Lucifer, he's a Savage, who makes the carbon. Riley. Thanks, buddy. I appreciate Yeah, we, we actually build all our carbon stuff for their family. Most of our Christmases have been spent carrying things on Christmas night, after we've done it together as a group. And it's been it's been something that we've done, you know, with with a lot of folks really involved in it from the gurney family helping me, my kids helping me, you name it. So it's kind of something we've done. And, you know, we just we really wanted to bring a technologically savvy car. Every aspect from our fluid logic system to our composites to Shawn geyser to you know, our our clutching systems are second to none and probably some of the stuff we most closely guard let's actually talk about oh, go ahead. As you say for us, it was a you know, just just the people that have been on the show and sitting next to Bruce, I mean, for me, the level of excellence that goes into a driver who is preparing his vehicle and as sharp as they are for them to trust our system is a real joy for me and the guys that are putting these systems together here at the shop because we're We're pretty big group now but we're still a tight group. But still the to know that they're relying on what we build is really, really a thrill for us. And we do it with pride. Yeah, what we're hearing and you know, comment to this Bruce, if it's happening to you is that when the driver gets in the car, they delegate their hydration to us the moment they turn the system on, they don't have to think about it anymore. If you think about going fast, his copilot is navigators telling them where to go and keeping an eye on his transmission all the dials, but Bruce only needs to focus on going fast and making that car do its very best on the on the edge for as many hours as just to just eliminating that is a massive plus you all of a sudden, you've got that much more computing space and your big brain because you don't have to think about hydrate, the light goes on you drink, keep on going stay on the edge, and you won't even have to think about it after a while. It's just muscle memory. Yeah, Andrew, Shawn geyser said Bruce Ben Quist made me a believer love fluid logic put it in everything. Yeah, I can agree with that. Hey, let's let's switch gears here real quick, though is so you I don't know how you came up with this freaking idea to raise the class one in the silver say 300. But that was phenomenal dude. Yeah, now appreciate it. Well, so a niche. Additionally, the year before we really looked at we had some downtime as the previous year, so not this year, the year before. And after that I had some clear track, no dust and anybody that knows we're kind of senders I've been working to cerebrally think myself through the race a little bit more, because I don't think we need to push his art, but it's just kind of who we are. But I sent it big time from that period. And we looked at our elapsed time from when we started rolling to when we actually got rolling again. And we would have overall so overstate the year previously. So I know is something that I talked about with Sean and the boys. I'm going man, and this isn't because the racecourse really sets up welfare, UTV, it's tight. It's technical, we're quick corner to corner. But we're really not giving up that much time. But the first part of the race this year, you know, we had 15 or 20 miles of wide open right talking 100 miles an hour and a you way different than starting back with ATVs. Exactly. So we so we kind of went about it. I talked with Alan Rudd, I talked with bi TD, I talked to ODell and said what do I have to do to be compliant to race and class one, I want a chance to number one to qualify and see where we stack up against the best guys in the world. And number two, we want to shot in an overall we got hostility in class that kind of centers, actually. So we had a comment come in that I want to address real quick is desert Granlund said, I came in late, what's the name of the hydration system. So the name is fluid logic. And you can go to their Instagram, we've tagged them a bunch in the dirt life show. So you can go check it out on their Instagram, or what's the website? Well, or what's the website Andrew logic.com. Okay, so FL U ID lgic.com. So go check it out. We'll say that again at the end of the show, too. So let's keep talking about the Silver State 300. Because, to me, that was like, kind of like what we're talking about today, we're evolving the sport, right? We're trying to make human bodies better, but we're also trying to make racing and stuff better too. So when you go and you do that, and you have you know Mitch Guthrie was up there as well. But you have an accomplishment like that and you're seeing holy shit like these UTVs can hold a male like how does that feel? Yeah, I mean, it was it like you said it was a calculated thing. I know that you know, it was opposed by by many, but I think ultimately when you have the caliber driver of Mitch Guthrie and ultimately me deciding to do it and I think he had said on one of the shows that he got the idea from us we collaborated a bit together and said let's go for it. That's so cool though. Then we went through what did you think what he was going to do it like well, he called me in advance and said I want to run something past you have something I'm going to do and I thought initially Wow, you're gonna have all eyes on you. I mean, this defect, this thing can fall apart. He can look at me go exactly what he said. He said great. Bring it on. It sounds like we had another question. Andrew. Yes. From desert squadron. What material are the bottom mounts? Are they aluminum or composite? They're aluminum. Yeah, definitely need to be strong man. A lot of the vibration goes on. Problem with anything coming apart at speed and holding 64 ounces in the rough is that conditions? Yeah, totally. Well the thing is, and when you think about it, you know I mean a gallon of water you know is seven point whatever pounds right when you have a 10 G G out right? That bottle now weighs 70 pounds right? Right. So they've thought through all the science, all the engineering all the math on that and off road that's why it's such a great place to test this is Stem. He has the loads we put on it the abuse we put on the electronics, buttons, and what? Yeah, one of the things in anything out greater than any other motorsports, right. One of the things that I want to say too is like you guys said, an off road, people aren't that concerned about weight, I was always massively concerned about weight in my racing program massive. And Bruce is the same way. So if there's anybody that ever wants to talk, weigh in the different things that help and don't help and the way that it affects your program, definitely ask Bruce send them a direct message or ask him at the track, because he's got it all calculated, I guarantee you they were picking up every single one of those ounces and putting it in the calculations for his race car. Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, it's something we paid attention to. You know, Phil blurton gives me a hard time and tells me to go to the gym and I say, You know what, I'm 50 years old. I'm over there. You know, and all good. We're all fall friends and part of the desert family. Yeah. But but we do, we do pay attention to all of the weight. You know, Shawn, and his engineering mindset on the car and the guys our lineage to how we distribute the percentages of weight to right down to where we're placing the water. Yeah. Right. And we're even calculating the center of gravity change as we're losing water as we drink. And as we're burning fuel and the rest of it. So yeah, there is some real science happening. You've got to bring water with you anyway. Yep. So if you choose to keep it in something other than our system, you're already bringing water weight with you. But adding on to our system, adding our system into your vehicle. This is 300 grams. So it really doesn't make a lot of difference, right? Yeah, so that's exactly what I was getting out is for even for me with my racing program, like we're calculating half pound differences, that wouldn't even make a difference. To be honest with you. If this thing weighed 25 pounds, you might still do it. And I'd figured something else to rip off. I taught Hayes and I spent a great deal of time in the paddock in IndyCar and the teams are coming back to us and telling us that, you know, this has to weigh less and less and less. And believe it or not, in that sport, we've been able to meet the demand really shave the weight? Yes, we have. Because we've been told by their engineers, you know, they're they're spending hundreds of 1000s of dollars to take grams away from the car. So your drivers say I'm not going to pay my helmet, you know, things like that. I'm going to put less information on my driving suit all of those stitches way. And so we're, we were asked by those drivers buy those teams. If you can hit this level, we'll take it really Yeah. And Todd and his team were able to do it, which was great. Andrew, George real quick. The phone was getting pretty low. Okay, change the framing. All right, do about that. No big deal. We can just leave it. You can. Yeah, you can try to zoom out on it. But anyways, I think we're probably going to end up winding down the show a little bit here. So Bruce, what are some of the things that that you have going on in the future and maybe even try to include how fluid logic is gonna help? Yeah, so I mean, we're getting ready to go into our next race will be the California 300 which was the UT VR Worlds we like that that's, that's a race that we can attack at. We've been working our package, we just finished Vegas to Reno. So super excited with the progress guys have made there. And then the week after that, we go into crazy prep and immediately go to Laughlin. So there's a lot of stuff going on. So we've got that going on. And then we've got a big test leading up to that on you know, a few things we've been working on the car developing. And then going into next year, we'll once we're done with Laughlin will immediately spring into what are packages who we're going to be working with. You know, there's there's a few things on the table that we're entertaining, and where we go from here, but I know what we're gonna do. It's going to be in motorsports and it's gonna be with fluid logic. That's cool, man and dude, that California 300 is going to be wild dude. It's gonna be rough as shit and hottest shit out there. I love it. So all right, Andrew, another comment from Desert squadron. Look at the Formula One cars this year, many are going with no graphics to composite to save weight. It's wild, right? Yeah, so we're gonna wind down the show. Bruce, thank you very much for coming and hanging out. It's always good to see you for having us. All right. Do you got anything else to say? Because I'm going to ask you guys I do have did you have to answer any of these rapid fire questions last had fired off. All right. Yeah, you want to do it? Of course. Alright, so we're gonna wind down the show. So let's see here. tacos or let's let Bruce answer first. You go second. Tacos are hot dogs, tacos, tacos, tacos all day. Carne Asada or chicken. Carne asada. carnitas. Carne asada. Do you guys have a favorite taco shop? Oh, yeah, you do? I do here in town. Yeah. ilta Roscoe. Oh, okay. Good. We're always looking for good good taco shops man. Do you enjoy the river? River? Yeah, I like to river to Big River guys. action shots or still shots. Action ongoing still you go on still shots here. They still shot guy. Oh, because it can take pictures of the fluid logic system. I got Do I no longer going fast guys like Bruce get to they get to drive fast so he that's why he likes the action shots. I'm kind of in the background now so too there was some sick action shots of him at Silver State too. I have one frame to my office that's pretty amazing. But he was to wheel in it for a while and a video thing too crazy. fully controlled. Like it was badass. Yeah. Let's see here. Three Wheeler or quad? Quad. Three Wheeler are 250 Yeah, I think we got a big fan over here. Three wheelers in the back too. Yes, sir. What did you own before ATC? 250 are look professional. Pizza Rolls or jalapeno peppers? Jalapeno Poppers. poppers? Yeah, same. We just became best friends coffee or tea. Coffee. Coffee. Yeah. Big coffee guys. Favorite movie? Tombstone. Wow, that's a good one. I think you're the second person on the show. Let's answer that. What about you? Bruce? Top Gun? Top Gun. The new one or the old one new and sick. Is it? Yeah, I agree that it was great. Let's see Instagram or Facebook. Insta? I don't do either. Okay, so we're just gonna say Instagram for you too. Okay. If you could have one superpower what would it be to fly going flying? X ray vision Oh no. I don't want anybody to give Bruce X ray vision Netflix or YouTube Netflix Netflix Netflix is here because drive to survive right? I love dry survive they did a great job here. They really did really did. video or photos. Video. Yeah, video guy video guy. Okay, so still and video. Okay, gotcha. Most memorable race can be one that you participated in when you viewed so I raised the bar 1000 In a the arrive and drive bar challenge cars and that's how the whole concept for this company came about really got out of the car, totally dehydrated, picked up the car in Covina dropped it off in to the next driver in Loretto. And I've got another car and was blowing bubbles I turned out to be a better way. Gotta be a better way I couldn't go get my trophy in La Paz. And who's the one that invited you to do that? Because I need to pat them on the back. You know, I forget the name of the team. First time I did it was with cops. And then we won the 500 it was being another driver Sheriff Joe from Vegas. And then I came back again to race the 1000 and that was the impetus for this whole thing too. That's crazy. How about your most memorable raise? Bruce? I would say it would be this year's meant 400 You know, we we had probably 20 minutes of downtime. 30 minutes of downtime and I raced the race was Shawn had him start the car. So that was super fun. You know, he's helped me build the car, key part of our deal. And did a great job and to me a healthy car. But we had some setbacks as we're working through our deal that we've now worked out but we still race the thing. Everyone counted us out. We dropped back to 20 is and I brought us cross the box in third. So nice do killer job. Elliot, the that's a good story too. I would like to talk more about that someday. Let's see your what's your guys favorite snack in the race car. I like what what what are Ciro's eating from hammer nutrition? Yeah, I'm good on the I'm big on those goos and things like that. I never got it on my fingers though. Like he did with just smeared it everywhere. We do ham and cheese rolled up in a tortilla. Yeah, just gets under the helmet. Good. You know, it's either good. Yeah. Supercross or motocross? I'm a Supercross fan. Big Supercross guy. You know, I'm a Supercross guy. I got a couple buddies to hang out with a motocross season this year was insane. Dude, it was so good. Let's see here. What other form of racing would you guys like to try? I'd love to do I'd love to do pavement I love to do something on a road course endurance. I'm talking about DTM I love DTM stuff do DTM would be sick. Yeah, I mean obviously you know I mean I would love to drive at all I would like to drive a Formula One car but ultimately something I haven't done is I'd like to probably pile on race airplanes. I'm a pilot I Red Bull Air Race thing Yeah, I fly a composite airplane full aerobatic and been known to do a few low fly bys there knife edge. So I'd like to get after that. No wonder his favorite movies Top Gun. Alright, speedboat or dragster speed boat. Yeah, speed, but speed about just like the speed. All right, final question of the night for both you guys chips in guacamole or french fries and ketchup, chips and Glock all day long. Thank you guys. Hey. So we really, really appreciate you guys. Let you know what let's talk to everybody about how they can get the fluid larger system. So go to app fluid logic. I think it's underscore logic and check out some of the posts that we've done to check out their Instagram page. Oh Andrew, you have some of them. It's at Fluid logic underscore USA, there it is to gram. Okay, so do that on Instagram. And we've also posted and tag them in a bunch of stories and posts that we have done on Instagram. So please click that link. And you can always hit him up in the DMS if you have questions and give him a call or actually check out the website fluid logic.com and go research the product and see how it can help your program I am. We are not sponsored by fluid logic. But I am a very, very big believer in it just because of the things I've been through in my life. And what I would like to see other people have the advantage when they go out there and safety in their race cars. So I really appreciate you guys being able to share your stories and tell us about how the product works, man. Thank you, George. Yeah. Thanks for having me. I'd love to do the show again sometime. Yeah, absolutely. All right. So thank you to all of our sponsors, guys over at KMC wheels really appreciate them Max's tires, Mo tools, shock therapy, JL Audio evolution, power sports, zondi Racing products, vision, canopies, and cryo heat, we will see you guys at the next show, which is going to be on Friday, between six and 8pm. At the JL Audio booth at the sands sports Super Show. We've got tons of cool guests that are gonna come by hanging out. It's not going to be quite as product oriented than this when I have some guys bring over some stuff, but it's gonna be really fun. It'll be a cool little show. Andrew, we have a pretty good comment from Shannon Phillips. Are there any plans to come out with a helmet that has a built in verse added on? Yeah, the first helmet that is hit the market is the new br eight from Bell. And Giorgio is getting it right now. So the what's unique about the helmet and I know you've got one of this and love the helmet, I'm actually gonna get into vra next week. Yeah, RJ had a lot of to do with the testing on this. And the deal is that there's five different points where you can put the the entrance into the helmet. But it comes set up so our system comes in the box and you can put this part on any one of those five points. So some guys like it on the top and some guys like a three quarter and some people like it down here. I'm going on the left side, man. Yep. Yep. So the answer is yeah, Bell. So the bell and it's a br A tra Yeah. So go check that out. These are fantastic helmets, by the way to super comfy and really, really good for your ears and where they have the system for all your comms and stuff. So super good choice to have the bell br eight with the fluid large system. So thank you everybody at Fluid logic that helped us really appreciate all of Andrews help. He was a massive help last week and all the guys that you work with. So I really want to see everybody good as safe as possible. All the hospitality was great. We wish Bruce and all the guests the best at the next races. Thanks to all of you guys for watching the show. We really appreciate it. You guys are our lifeblood. So please always come at us and slide into our DMS let us know what we can do better. Well who else you would like to see on the show? We'll try to do as good as possible. So we really appreciate it. Anything else voice? That's it. Thank you. I appreciate it. No problem. I will love you guys. Good night. Thanks for listening to the dirt life show. See you next week.