Washed Up Emo

#13 - Bob Nanna (Braid, Hey Mercedes)

July 25, 2012 Episode 13
Washed Up Emo
#13 - Bob Nanna (Braid, Hey Mercedes)
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Washed Up Emo
#13 - Bob Nanna (Braid, Hey Mercedes)
Jul 25, 2012 Episode 13
Tom Mullen
Bob Nanna (Braid, Hey Mercedes)
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We return from our summer vacation with an episode featuring Mr. Bob Nanna of Braid. Bob and I discuss his influences growing up and why Braid is back at it again to rock us all. I hope you enjoy and share with your friends. 



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Speaker 1:
0:09
[inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] welcome everybody to wash up your podcast. A special guest today is mr Bob Nana,
Speaker 2:
0:48
guitarist, singer, musician for the band braid. You also know him from, Hey, Mercedes friction and Jack and ACE, uh, all the way from Chicago. Bob Nana, thank you for coming. Hey, thank you. Finally get together and do it. Yeah, thanks. Um, so I wanna just start off again. Thank you for doing this. It's great to have you a part of this. As, you know, one of the bands that, um, people kind of mentioned, um, when they mentioned emo and they mentioned those, um, bands and going back early, what, what got you into music? Was it an older brother? Was it maximum rock and roll? Like what, what was that first thing?
Speaker 3:
1:30
The first thing I think what's crazy is my family wasn't crazy about music. I mean, there really wasn't a lot of music in the house, but it was really my, my neighbors, uh, they had, uh, a kid who's my age. So, you know, we just hung out all the time growing up and they had a, a jukebox in their basement. And I just was crazy about this jukebox. And, uh, his parents were crazy about music too, but he was crazy about sports, so it was like they mixed up kids or something at the hospital. So like, uh, they just noticed that I was just in love with that youth box. They love the rolling stones. And so, you know, that was around, um, you know, early, early eighties. So we were watching them, you know, Friday night videos and you know, seeing like Mick Jagger and stuff. And it was just, it was all, it was all over for me. I was just completely hooked. I constantly was able to, listening to music and then, um, you know, thankfully an off my family was like, we need to get this kid some piano lessons or something. Yeah. So they did. And um, yeah, that was really it. I mean, that was, I was really, really young when I realized I just have this in me and I had to play music and loved it.
Speaker 2:
2:51
And so you started with, with piano? Well, you know, that was like your parents wishes. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
2:59
I mean, and I'm glad
Speaker 2:
3:00
they did that because it really taught me a lot. Even at the time I hated practicing. I, I, I mean I hated a lot of theory stuff about it. I was just trying, you know, like, you know, get this, you know, I don't care about writing, you know, or scales or anything. I just want to play and write my own songs or something. But, you know, in the end I'm glad I have them, that I was able to do that. That's, yeah. And then it was, drums were pretty much the first instrument I played in a band. And that was, uh, that was in high school. I was in high school. And was that awesome? I mean, that first practice with everybody and you're trying to work out songs and what did you guys do? Covers first to kind of feel each other out. What were some of the [inaudible]?
Speaker 3:
3:41
Well, yeah, the first band I was in was called slap happy and yeah, we were just crazy, stupid kids. So yeah, it was a lot of colors. We played leading the league. It was just like the easiest colors we could do. And so, you know, just sort of testing the waters with, you know, what sounds good and what, uh, what people, what people were into and what we were comfortable doing too.
Speaker 2:
4:08
Are there any recordings of that? Because I think that would be fascinating. There's one,
Speaker 3:
4:12
we are on one seven inch cop. The comp was called the decline of the Western suburbs.
Speaker 2:
4:19
I don't find the song. Okay. I won't, I promise I am playing drums. Yeah. Gangway nice. Good luck finding that line. All right. Anyone out there that finds it? Um, I will, I don't know what we'll do, but congratulations. Oh man. Um, with the, you know, with, with the stones and that kind of thing. W was it something that you felt that you could play multiple instruments? Like you're like, I can, wow. I, I want to play drums. I want to play guitar. I want to say
Speaker 3:
4:53
no, no, not really because of the fact that it was sort of built. It was the stones. It was like they were playing on TV. They were in the, my friend's jukebox. Like they were completely untouchability. They were in magazines and stuff. But, um, it was, uh, when I was in high school and sort of started hanging out with like the punk kids and started going to local shows and seeing that there were people, my peers, you know, at, you know, age 15, 14 where like playing shows and basements and stuff that, you know, it was then that I realized, shit, I could actually do this in front of people. You know.
Speaker 2:
5:32
[inaudible] were your parents cool about you kind of doing the shows are starting playing, but my parents were completely against most of this. Yeah. They were like, I don't know why you're playing this music. Like you need to, why are you out on a Friday night and a Saturday? Was it kind of, they knew where you were going and that was okay or,
Speaker 3:
5:52
yeah, they were pretty upright with me about it. They, uh, they do, were telling to without a even practice that at my house, and I mean, I told the drums, it was loud. I'm sure just hell, but I'm, but I'm now the other crew, that's all they, they really, really cared about was me finishing school and getting a degree. And they're like, it's all you. I want you to do otherwise go crazy to play music. We were, we've supported you on us. Just, just do this one favor. We let you practice here. Just post.
Speaker 4:
6:26
Cool. Nice. And then do you remember the first record that you ever owned, like you went and bought?
Speaker 3:
6:34
Um, I don't remember the actual record. I mean, I remember having like a bunch of 45 when I was a very like, very smart. I'm already ahead of Elvis Presley. 45. I remember having an ELO, uh, 45. It was a song, rock and roll is King, uh, from like the eighties. But I do remember very specifically the first CDs I bought, uh, and most were Jeff hysteria and John Cougar Mellencamp the lonesome Jubilee.
Speaker 4:
7:05
That is a fantastic double shot right there. Well, maybe not as much, but still pretty good. Was it the, uh, I was just thinking about, um, the first kind of records that I'd had and with, um, the Beastie boys passing of. I remember thinking I got check your head is like the BMG 12 for one. Um, yeah. So I was like, yeah, I was like thinking, I think hysteria came like with all those, all those CDs. Um, yeah, but what a scam. Yeah. The, I, I was you but you, but you felt you're like, all you have to do is tape a penny to this. I know hat type stuff. I don't even have to ask for it. We were dumb. Uh, and then, uh, was there, do you remember your first kind of show? Was it, was it a basement show? Was it, uh, this is like a first show you attended, like a friend bratty or something. Was there anything that any, you know, was, uh, food Gazi there and you had no idea or something awesome?
Speaker 3:
8:13
Yup. Yup. Uh, probably, you know, echoing a lot of the people we interviewed [inaudible] there, two shows in particular that I saw very, very early on in one was Ghazi and I remember the date because it's my birthday, six, it was six, 14, 1990. Um, yeah, at a place called Medusa's here. And um, that's crazy. As Trent, the San trench mouth opened and the drummer was trash off Fred Armisen. Okay.
Speaker 4:
8:41
Yes.
Speaker 3:
8:42
Yeah. Uh, it was just completely life changing like that, that show was just incredible because it was a big, big show, bigger than any show that I'd been see Prius and it felt so, uh, so comfortable. So like intimate, even though as a huge show for part of the show, they like brought people on stage to play the instruments. It was just complete madness. Um, and I, you know, I, I looked on the Gazi, uh, you know, they have that live archive. I don't think they have this show recorded an up yet. Cause when it's, when it's out, I want it.
Speaker 2:
9:20
Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. The two shows that I went to there, they're not up yet either. I was like, wait, now the funny thing, the trench mob, I was fascinated when he did the fist fight in the parking lot song for the SNL skit. And I have the seven inch, I bought it from drag city and supposedly he's around my neighborhood and I've been like hoping that I see him and be like, can you hang on like five minutes? I gotta go get my seven inch.
Speaker 3:
9:45
Yeah, I saw, I, you know, I met the one when he was here and before he like kind of blew up. Um, I had spoken with him a few times, so, um, I don't know. I hadn't, you know, we know each other, but I saw him recently. Um, I was in New York and I went to an SML show and I went to the after party and I saw him and I had to stop him and I was like, hi. You know, whenever you and I, I've met you a few times from blah, blah blah, but it's fine. I let you know that I saw trench off play. I'm six, 14, 1990 with the Ghazi and it like just changed the course of my life and he's like, it changed the course of mind too.
Speaker 2:
10:24
Wow.
Speaker 3:
10:25
He remembered that. She's like, I totally remember that shot and it was very special for at fall fast too.
Speaker 2:
10:30
See now you are totally scared going up and you're thinking, God, I'm going to meet this guy, he's going to blow me off. And then he gave you the best answer. I'm like, yeah, cause I'm going up talking about yes. Yeah. I'm not talking about, I dunno that impression. Yeah. Which is I think great. That was, yeah. That's awesome. Um, and then, you know, learning about bands like from that was it, was it the very catalog? Was it the back of the CD? Um, seeing who thanked too. What was some of the things that you kind of learned to find more bands?
Speaker 3:
11:07
Definitely beans. Definitely maximum rock and roll at that point in time was like the way, and it was reading all of the columns, reading all the interviews and articles and like the scene reports that they used to do, um, to see what was going on in like Austin and what's going on in Berkeley. And, but what was crazy about it is my friend and I would get the maximum back mall and just, just calm it, completely comment, um, ads for records that we wanted or thought we might want. Like I remember seeing number, all the discredits were. So I dunno, I caught up in the, um, in the, in the maximum [inaudible] and like we would just pull our money in order stuff from every, every magazine. The quicker you get an ad in there and we would, we would buy it if it looks cool.
Speaker 2:
12:02
Wow. So then, yeah. And then from that was it. All right. All the discord stuff I gotta get, I have to get all [inaudible] stick cause I figured, you know, peg boy and those kinds of things were around then too.
Speaker 3:
12:14
Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. It was all just court and look out with stuff. We were expanding off all that stuff like Sam, I am and you know that first green day records 15 and while John Becker to be like damn and discarded anything that came out in discord we were buying and, and it was awesome because we were kind of, you know, opening up to new music. Like shudder to think when he first started to think we were like, what the hell?
Speaker 2:
12:42
[inaudible]
Speaker 3:
12:43
you know, it turned out that we ended up like really getting into it and really liking it though, you know, so that's awesome that, but that was the case. Those are physical records right here. It's called reckless that we used to frequent all the time. And same thing, I would just go through the seven inches and just pick out stuff that I liked and buy. I'd just buy it.
Speaker 2:
13:03
Wow. And it was, you know, it was all about the artwork to you. It's, it should have a really cool thing on the front. You can't be minimal. Like you need to get me. So it's like marketing right there. Just your, your image.
Speaker 3:
13:17
That's true. It's so funny because you know, all of the bands that we've had to be in that been, you know, we're probably like, you know, fuck, fuck marketing and we're doing this. But in reality it's just, that's like the same old thing they're selling themselves. I mean we, we, that's the same thing. I was so drawn to the ad, that's all because I needed new music. It's kinda funny.
Speaker 2:
13:38
Yeah. I just remember going through the CDs and seeing who they thanked and, yes,
Speaker 3:
13:42
right. I remember you said you talk about that
Speaker 2:
13:45
and I just, it just seems like you were kind of doing it in the, the, the same sense where, all right, I see this ad, it looks cool, I'm buying it, I trust maximum rock and roll. I trust that the advert, you know, this advertisement is legit and is that soul whole trust thing. Um, and then from, from that, you know, finding out all these bands and those influences, kind of turning into what had a few of the bands I, you know, friction and then obviously into braid. And I think I read that you had found, you know, the first drummer through maximum rock and roll. Yeah. Which, which is great. Yeah.
Speaker 3:
14:21
Yeah, definitely. I, um, yeah, cause I graduated high school and then I went to college in champagne Urbana and immediately wanted to start a band, but they didn't want to bring my drums. And I had this sort of chunky guitar that a friend's dad had given me and I brought that along and I thought, you know what, I'm going to take a tire now. And yeah, just put the ad in the, Oh, it wasn't a, it wasn't even a classified for looking for a drummer. I think I was at the time I was trading of bands playing and this guy, Ray, uh, I think, I think it might've been a [inaudible] video or something. Uh, yeah, he wanted to trade for it. He had some video of a band playing and champagne and we hooked up and I'm like, Hey, I'm actually going to be there. Let's hang out. And he's like, I play drums. And that was pretty much it.
Speaker 2:
15:14
And starting, you know, braid was it, was it job breaker, was it Fulgazi that was sort of the, the sort of mindset cause I didn't grow up in the Midwest and I think I'm just, I'm so fascinated just that little subset of the scene and what kind of came from it and the bands. And can you kind of talk a little about, of like obviously starting braid, but then all the bands around it kind of swirling all sort of had the same mentality.
Speaker 3:
15:39
Yeah, absolutely. John [inaudible] powder dog. We're like the, the, the bands for, for us and sort of guided any thing we tried to do. Um, it was like the, the really kind of confessional strip straight forward, um, lyrics of job Aiko with like the sort of angular craziest guitar music of the Ghazi and the elbow, the ankles, for lack of a better word for Gazi too. So it was that, that that was sort of directing what we were doing musically and everyone else in the scene, you mentioned like, you know, all the other band. So it was just the Stan gage is captain jazz. Of course there were a lot of bands in the Western suburbs of Chicago at that time that were all sort of helping each other out in playing that sort of similar music. Uh, and so yeah, once we started writing songs it was like that was just what came out.
Speaker 2:
16:43
Yeah, it totally makes sense. I know you said it, but like just hearing you guys and what you did, it wasn't, it wasn't straight ahead but it was, you still heard like hooks, but it wasn't like the verse, chorus verse. It was one little part. And I think, um, I think so many bands, um, you know, gravitated toward that after, um, and sort of took it and you guys obviously took it from somewhere else. Um, and then [inaudible] was there in the scene relationships? Was it, you know, were you hanging with the hardcore bands where you hanging with, you know, the punk bands then it didn't really matter? Or did you kind of see like, okay, well that band sounds like us, we should be friends. Or as you were starting playing more, what was, was there any thing with that? It wasn't
Speaker 3:
17:28
too much cross genre stuff, a little bit. I mean, because we were in the suburbs, we would occasionally at that punk shows with like, um, one of the, like a victory band back there. In fact, my first show ever and victory was a different label back then. It was way more straight edge hardcore that, uh, my first ever that it was thought that'd be played Tony Brown malls house, like used to do shows at his house and we opened some show. It was my very first show ever. And I don't know the date, I have it written down somewhere. But so I mean, I guess in that sense there was that sort of cross seen sort of thing going on. But when we were setting up our own shows at, um, uh, VFW halls and spaces, or when we were playing and there was, there was a club that called McGregor's, uh, that was like the place to play.
Speaker 3:
18:17
If you, you know, you were turned down and come through Chicago, you wouldn't play the city. You would put McGregor as it was in Elmhurst. So it was like the dude who was booking there would put us like bait or not pay it. At that time it was fiction, but like Kevin jazz on, you know, opening for, you know, Sam I am, if they were coming through a job Baker or like, you know, smoking pipes would play there too. Uh, but you know, we weren't really playing with like screeching weasel when they play their or that indicatives because, uh, they weren't, they weren't really, you know, our, our scene or our CR, well, the crowd was exactly the same at these shows. I mean, I love the screeching weasel, so we were always at the shadows, but for some reason we didn't end up playing with those pants a lot. It didn't happen until you started going on tour that we started playing with like more hardcore bands or more or just different songs
Speaker 2:
19:10
and then touring, uh, obviously early, early on, um, there wasn't the buses, there wasn't any, you know, Kate, what were some of those feelings that you see now? You know, you're touring maybe with, Hey Mercedes later on or let's, what were some of those differences that you were like, God, I wish I knew that or um, any, anything from that? I just feel like the, and like a band, like you guys early on it's, it is the five guys at the show and then the next time you come through it's 10 and 20 and now it's so much easier to get your name out before you even play a show. And you guys were doing this dirty work.
Speaker 3:
19:46
It's true. It's true. I mean, I guess there's, there's still dirty work it now, I guess it's just the look, it's a little more sitting by your computer doing the dirty work instead of crowding it out. But I, you know, I didn't mind that at all because I love traveling so much and just hanging out and seeing meeting other people and stuff. You know, when we started touring it was just like a drive. I mean we wanted it to be out to an all the time. So Chris and I on spring break or something, we were immediately on tour and there were times when we were playing like over almost 200 shows a year because we were just touring, touring, touring, and you know, we, you know, it helped us become a, a better live band and um, got us out in front of more people. But I mean, the first year, you're right, the first tour, the first West coast tour we did, I remember we played, um, uh, a split called owls bar in LA and nobody came. There was this zero. Wow. Yeah. Paid attendance.
Speaker 2:
20:51
That's awesome.
Speaker 3:
20:54
It was a little discouraging.
Speaker 2:
20:56
Oh, I've met awesome. Very, very, very sarcastically that just like roll up here like Los Angeles, we're going to kill it. And the guy, the bartender, um, was, uh, I feel the, you know, with you guys and playing all those shows. When did you kind of, were you sitting in the van and driving and you're like, this is gonna last for a bit, you know, I mean, everyone seemed to work together. I mean, there were changes in bands, but the overall, like you and Chris, I feel like when did you kind of feel that it's obviously still going on, you know? Yeah,
Speaker 3:
21:26
no you don't, and never really crossed. It didn't cross our minds. We were just, we were just doing it. It wasn't like, Hey, this is going to, we're gonna do this forever. Um, we just love doing it. And we had this sort of nonchalant, uh, very unorganized way of tooling and recording. I mean, when were there at home, we would just go to a friend's house and practice a little bit and he had the recording set up, so we would just record some stuff and then, you know, we would book it to her and, you know, you know, Todd, Todd, uh, the bass player would, um, you know, get on the phone and, and book shows and stuff, but I don't know, you were just psyched to be doing it. I mean, it wasn't really a point in time when, you know, we, we like sat back and thought, Hey, this is really working, you know? Yeah. At least for me. I, I didn't, I never really felt Pele
Speaker 2:
22:22
well. And I think too, that's maybe coming from the right place where it wasn't like he got in the van and you're like, why we're going to do this? And then we're going to add lights and then there's going to be strippers on state. It was just we're going to, we're probably going to play the music and go and I think that's partly why I think you guys are put in those top 10 lists, those top, you know, whatever it is and always brought up, um, in the same little pocket. Um, because of that, cause it was, you played so many shows, you were out there, you were doing it. And um, I, I personally think that's partly why. Um,
Speaker 3:
22:53
yeah, I mean, yeah, it was, yeah. It's just sort of looking up to are the people that we were, the dams we were playing with rods, doing it too. Bands like after driving and hot water music and get up kids. Like the first time we played a pass I was with at the drive in and they were about to go on a like a six month tour. I don't even think they had a record out. Wow. They were just like, wow, you guys are nuts. That had an awesome time. The same with has been super like Johnny from here. I remember them just being like, yeah, we're going to go, you know, six months to a number one to year up for a come up. They didn't have any record than any music on us. It's like, wow. Yeah. Awesome.
Speaker 2:
23:35
I was lucky to see sweep the leg Johnny, they played in Vermont and uh, I bought both records. I forget. I don't know. I didn't, it was, they were so different. Uh, and just, I don't know. So different from every other hardcore band that I was seeing at that damn venue. And it was actually something different. So, uh, when was the first time you heard the dreaded word? The emo.
Speaker 3:
23:59
It was a lot. I mean, it was pretty early on at the time, you know, at the time we were hearing it. I was felling around like, I don't know what else, even in describing what we were doing because it met top top us. Cause the way it was being fun around it sort of met job aid crimes. Who guy Z fifth job agency guys. Your email then counted them
Speaker 2:
24:24
[inaudible]
Speaker 3:
24:25
you know like Hoover, there was another band that really tried to, it's email emailing, you know, taught us that. And then, but there was also bands from like, you know, San Diego like um, stat course and uh, swing kids and stuff that were very screaming that they were calling email too. So it just seemed like just this general term that, Oh, it was like, no, everyone knew what it was, but no one could really describe it. That it, I mean, yeah, like I said at the time we were embracing it, you know, you we, we dug it. It,
Speaker 2:
25:03
yeah, I thought it, it came from me. It came from a screamo kind of part where I was like, they're screaming but it's kind of melodic and it's heartfelt. And then it kind of turned, you know, pop and what, you know, relative terms pop. But it started when there was like a second wave third wave. And, um, we're there. I mean, you've mentioned a bunch of bands. Um, you know, that people I'm sure are writing down and stuff for, to, to listen to cause that's what this, you know, I feel, you know, mentioning those bands from San Diego or sweet to like Jeremy, like those were, those were bands were around and obviously, you know, um, didn't really, didn't really connect on a larger scale, um, throughout time. Um, and I think with, with you guys and when did it kind of, where did you guys see that scene and you know, and yeah, we're totally part of it. And then was there a day where you're like, Oh hell no, Nope, Nope.
Speaker 3:
25:59
The one turning point that that sticks out in their mind very, uh, you know, clearly is, um, maximum rock and roll at one point did this sort of purge where I guess Tim, the founder of amass rock health just one day said no more emo in maximum rock and roll Indian or it was just like, this is a punk magazine scene. Like it should be punk, punk, punk. And at the time I think Kent McCord was a, um, was a, was it one of the columnists? And so he was like, well that sucks. And then so he started heart attack [inaudible] heart attack, which is, which I think was direct result of maximum rock and roll, sort of shoving this whole genre of music. Um, yeah. And so it was at that point in time where I thought like, what, wait a minute. Like why do people get this?
Speaker 3:
27:06
I don't, I just don't, I, and I didn't get it at the time. Or why does this person hate or why they like punk, what do punk gets have against email? Because email at the time, it was like punk, this is just, this is just all punk, you know? So yeah, that was really, I think the turning point where I was like, huh, like are people really like this? There's a backlash. So yeah. And then it just sort, sorta got worse and worse and sort of had these, you know, little factions, um, that, okay. And then what's crazy with Emma, her heart attack wouldn't review your record if there was a UPC code on it. Wow. Like setting this scene that you've just got to brace everything, but that crazy sucks. But yeah.
Speaker 2:
27:55
And then going through it, I mean, you're obviously the getup kids and you know, sunny day, all of these bands were kind of coming and going and, um, I think each band had a different feeling toward it. And some of them were completely, like, we're an indie band, we're in [inaudible] and they're all, but for some reason this still stayed together and it still was connected. You, do you have any insight on why it was there? It went away, people went away. And then now it's 2012 and it's the year, the year of the reunion. And it is, it is, it everyone's older and they kind of are, they don't, I'm in my thirties, so I don't care anymore, you know, I will go see, you know, Ani to Franco if I want. I don't care. Like is that, what do you think?
Speaker 3:
28:40
Um, I see a little bit like the, the reason why, you know, one of the reasons braid, uh, got back together was that I reconnected with Chris. I really hadn't even talked to Chris. There was a span of maybe three years, three or four years where we just completely lost touch. And then we got back in touch and then started doing these DJ nights together and then we're like, we should, you know, we were doing sort of like a punk emo DJ night talking about here.
Speaker 2:
29:06
Yes.
Speaker 3:
29:08
And, uh, so we, you know, we're playing, we're every once a week at this bar here and think, I'm like, you know, we should, what if we got you and just tried to write some great songs. It might be fun. Um, and so that was really where that came from. But, uh, you know, in terms of, you know, all the reunions and stuff, it's, it's interesting. Um, I think definitely the internet has a lot to do with it. Um, because of how easy it is for bands to get their music out. And also there's this sort of like a new school of labels coming out now that, uh, uh, sort of are, can you drink to like a similar sort of seeing them that we were a part of way back when and I'm, and I'm thinking of a lyrical site, top shelf or no sleep or something where it's like these are like the Bannons, at least the ones I've seen and I'm not an expert on the new Bay hums by any means, but like they're playing house shows [inaudible] and grinding it out and they're doing a seminar. There's the screening down shirts. They're skin. This is so familiar. It's all the same. It's the exact same thing again. I mean it's cool. Um, and, but, you know, it's a new crop of kids that have learned how to use the, the tools available to them now, like the internet and you know, you have MP3 youth and audits and digital to revive that sort of DIY feeling. And uh, it's, it's, it's a cool, it's a cool scene. I'm going to go to the house show to this mountain.
Speaker 2:
30:57
Nice. Yeah. But it's that, yeah. Do you, uh, I was thinking about that too with, there's obviously during the time in the bands and braid and Hey Mercedes, you're getting, you know, stopped or say, Hey, what's going on now? Are you stopped like at the grocery store or something with the guy's got the stroller and the two kids and he's saying hello cause it's that, that time, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 3:
31:29
that definitely all my, a ton of my friends, you know, have families from back then. I mean, Todd has, has, uh, uh, a data now and um, Damon said, have fun to like, yeah, I mean, everyone's grown up. I'm, I'm, I'm getting there. I'm getting there. I'm not totally though, but I'm getting there too, but yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean all of the people that were coming out to shows and doing shows for us to now have families and kids and stuff, but they're still, they're still coming up
Speaker 2:
32:04
and I think, yeah, I w I joked at the promise ring show that every, uh, there's a lot of people here with babysitters, you know, going on and, and not that that's a bad thing and I just kind of thought ahead like 20 years, like, is there going to be a, you know, an amphitheater or something where it's, you know, the sounds of emo, you know, and then all the bands come out and they're like one remaining member. I just, it's just, it's so cool.
Speaker 3:
32:34
Stick and like that.
Speaker 2:
32:36
Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's, that's why I'm trying to get everyone's mindset to be like, you can't go anywhere like that. The thing I noticed too is that the people went to that show and they, they, they were like, this is my one night out. And I think they connected to it. It's such a positive way. And for them to say, I'm going to go out to this and I'm going to see this and I'm going to support it and it must feel good because there's kids like the, I saw maritime play and there was a kid yelling, um, red and blue jeans out on the whole night. I think I've told the story before, but Davy wasn't mad. And long story short, he, they played in New York. I bet that kid was there. And, and that, you know, to me it was like he was
Speaker 3:
33:22
yelling mad at Samsung.
Speaker 2:
33:23
Yeah. Yelling Maris, I have socks down prior to punk rock tee shirts. But uh, but just that whole thing of where they're, they're reliving it in there in their own way and wanting to connect. And I just from your vantage point, why yes. There's the metal community that's still around. There's a lot of, um, you know, genres, but it, it's still so strong with so many people and I get people hitting me up, you know, about, Hey, you should interview this guy. I haven't talked about them in a while or just I feel like if they throw out all their CDs, they kept 10 and for some more they kept their iTunes and it's still this genre. And um, I'm just trying to still figure out in my head why that happened and why it's still so prominent today.
Speaker 3:
34:08
Yeah. Well I think it was just a formative time. Had a lot of people like you there, all of these dams, like the form engine, what a promise ring and Jimmy were up at the time. It would, that would like touring, touring, touring. You would, you would go and see those bands and they are right there. There was no barricade or anything after the show. You could go talk to him. He'd go hang out with them. You may be, they are staying at your house. You just develop this bond with, with certain bands that just doesn't exist when you're, you know, it did that I didn't have with Mick Jagger. You know what I mean? Like that. It just, it lasts. So, I mean, even if you don't listen to your promising record all the time, you, you don't want to sell it because it's just, it reminds you of this really great time when they, you know, you went to see him play, you signed a long you why he took him out to eat and they stay at your house or whatever, and then they thank you in it or something mean I take it, it was just touched people differently I think.
Speaker 2:
35:11
Yeah. I didn't really think about that. About the sort of the, the, the, the moment in time. And when you said barricade like, yeah, there wasn't a barricade there. Well, you could go up to them after. And then at that time when you were trying to figure out what you wanted to listen to and, and play. So, and now with 2012 it's, there's a few bands that I, you know, talk about and I'm like, Hey, so what bands do you like? And they've mentioned every band from like 1998. Uh, and so it's this obviously 10 year, 15 year sort of loop.
Speaker 4:
35:41
Yeah, exactly. And I, you know, I hope, I would hope that them, you know, that that sort of picked kids without into the dance. Now we'll come see us play too. I don't want to play the, you know, a bunch of 37 year olds like me. Yeah, no, but I think that's happening. Maybe I, maybe I do said that they have all the money. Exactly.
Speaker 2:
36:06
But it is, it is that, it's the, it's them finding and saying, wait a minute. Oh wait, they connected to that. And that's why I listened to whatever band. Like I hope that kids are doing that. And obviously with this website, that's what I'll, I've been trying to do is tell people about them. But I, I do feel when you guys do this tour, there will be those younger people, I think. But if I'm completely wrong, I will be out of the venue before, um, I was just thinking about a show that I saw you guys in college and it's one of those ones you're probably gonna be like, Oh, I totally remember. And you're lying. It's fine. So why I loved to wear the opposite genre t-shirt of a show. So if I was going to a hardcore show, I wore an EAM up shirt. If I wore, I wore converge, I wore converged shirt to your show. Okay. I remember you. I think I got heckled. I think I got heckled by meeting. Someone made a crack about, Hey look, this is the guy with the converged shirt. Here are some, it was some. And my buddy and I were like, did we just get heckled by braid? Cause that's pretty cool cause we're still here.
Speaker 4:
37:09
I was not familiar the lizard and snake in chapel Hill. Do I do remember that place? No, no Maria, I think it was random. Maria [inaudible] video that show maybe on, uh, we should just do some research right now. Actually there was a VHS that came out. I think that as playing a song yes.
Speaker 2:
37:37
Tape. I am contemplating to put online because I either find the front of the bifocal guys if they're going to do it or not because there's so many good performances on that VHS. Yeah. Um, but I think that might've been that same show might've been anyway. It was hilarious. Um,
Speaker 4:
37:55
well, I'm sorry, I don't think it was me.
Speaker 2:
37:57
No, no, not you. We will not, it hilarious. We were like, that's awesome. You know, like they, they knew converge or, you know, like they at least referenced it. Um, so no, that was, that was crazy. The, um, was there, I think for me there was a procession of braid and I want to move on to Hey Mercedes and kind of around some other stuff and I felt you guys, it was always, uh, I was collecting with you guys, it was, I found out that it was a new seven H or there was a compilation or you're releasing this on this other label and it was that sort of joy of collecting that you had to kind of do. Um, was that, was that, you know, we're trying to confuse our fans to find everything, or was it, was it, Hey, Oh, you have a label? Yeah, we'll do something. Or
Speaker 3:
38:40
we have, are you saying that was with [inaudible] with beta stayed, right? Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it was, it was not, uh, we weren't putting out any challenge to people. It was more like we even had a [inaudible] on the thank you also boys CD. There was the thing under the other lists and said we want to be on your comp. So I mean that was, that was it. I mean we just started to put out stuff whenever anyone asks us to. Whenever I knew I needed to sign for comp or asked us, we were that guy, we'll just record the newest song we have and give it to you. Wow. Split with somebody that we met or something. Sure, let's do it now. It wasn't a conscious effort to confuse people, but yeah, I like the fact, excuse me. I like the fact that um, that there are so many records out there and I don't even know if I have them all. I've really tried to keep them all but pop Todd's a record collector so he, he's probably to blame.
Speaker 2:
39:43
How did the one with tree records in the postmark stamps comp, that's probably one of my favorites. I think that kind of was really stoked on when I got it. Any, any kind of, was it just a, Hey we, we have a comp, we want your song. Was it
Speaker 3:
39:57
well that, yeah. What's Ken from tree was doing those postmasters yup. Seven inches. And we had met him around that time or whatever and I, it was around the time when we were touring a tar and with getup kids and he just, yeah, he just basically asked us to do it and um, yeah, we are psyched that dude you see he now does some numero group. Are you familiar with numero group? I said awesome label, check it out. They um, they research and dig up or like solo records and old just all forgotten records from like the 60th seven recordings from the 60 seventies et cetera. That from different pockets of the U S and maybe also I bet. And then just do a ton of research, contact the families of these old music musicians and then rerelease the records with like photos and sometimes DVDs. It's really, really cool. Got it. Great, great aesthetic and just had an awesome story. Say I, you should check that out. But yeah, that's the dude who used to do tree.
Speaker 2:
41:00
Oh wow. I mean I work at a similar company that does that, you know, sort of for, um, uh, scale. So that's great that he does that for those records that are probably going to be forgotten. Um, yeah, there was a request on Twitter for this, for this quote. Next question. Um, is there, I know is there any backstory to the song forever got shorter? We'll that and if not, we can move on.
Speaker 3:
41:22
Um, back story. Well, I, I can't tell you. I mean, I'm not saying like, cause I won't tell you, but I really don't remember exactly my mind. Like what my mindset, my mindset and that time, what's crazy is I probably stepped out of the lyrics. Like when I was writing the lyrics. I keep all that stuff cause I'm a maniac. Um, no, I, I really couldn't, couldn't [inaudible] and then, you know, when you play it now it's sort of like you think about other things that really weren't the original intent that, um, no, that I really don't know. I, I know for the factory, I remember where I got the name for the song. It was from uh, a moody about last night. And it's not even like my favorite movie or I just thought it was a fun time that Rob Lowe says,
Speaker 4:
42:14
well forever, it just got shorter. I'm like, well forever, let's just go shorter. I love it. That trailer had a, you know, ears open for yeah. Cool song title and it's fine. We're both washed up. You don't have to remember everything. That's fine. It's fine. Um, that's why I keep all this stuff. I don't have to remember it. Well that's what I was going to ask. Like I, I collect all my tickets, like I have pretty much every ticket I've ever went to. And what I guess we could maybe talk about this offline, um, are, are we crazy or what's the, I wrote down every show that I saw. Like what was the, is there a support group that we could join? What is this? Yeah, I really don't know. It is a problem. We should, yeah, we should take it offline and, and uh, you know, emails anonymous. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:
43:13
Don't know that. I've always, always had this problem with documenting things and listing things out. I mean, when I was a kid, I used to write down the top 40 every, every um, I would get up and listen to it and write it down and then I would make my own top 40. I have, I still have sheets of like, I don't know, a few months with of weekly I would do top 75, like my top 75.
Speaker 4:
43:40
Wow. Of the week.
Speaker 3:
43:43
What's that like? Clearly, you know, if I was crazies, I kept them to myself. I kept them, I kept all this stuff to myself. Like, what the hell is my problem?
Speaker 4:
43:56
But
Speaker 3:
43:56
you know, it's fun now because I'm going through all that staffing, you know, fell and separated finally. But it's critical to look at, to be like, wow, I loved Disney deadly by Lita Ford and so much it was number one on my chart. So like there are a bunch of songs on there like, I don't even remember. I don't even know some of these songs. I think I'm going to keep them and sort of track down some of these songs to see like if I was just,
Speaker 4:
44:21
what the hell was I going to do? Those would be really good. Spotify playlists,
Speaker 3:
44:25
a really good is, I don't know if I would say that'd be really good. Interesting.
Speaker 2:
44:31
Interesting. Yes. You can make them private. You don't need make them public.
Speaker 3:
44:35
Yeah, but that's good. I've been doing that. The helpline tire, the top two private.
Speaker 2:
44:40
I started scanning, um, uh, all a lot of things to digitize and then get rid of. That's been my, uh, tee shirts I did at first I took photos. Um, and yeah, so maybe uh, maybe, maybe not
Speaker 3:
44:54
either. It's just like a sort of weird collector sort of Jean or, or that like is in us a sort of this, I need to prove that I was there sort of feeling. But it's so funny because it never comes up. Never like where you really there. Like I just had lobbies, you know, this list of shows I went to and stuff. It's just [inaudible].
Speaker 2:
45:18
And then the same thing with all the braid shows. Correct. All there's a list of every show.
Speaker 3:
45:23
Yup. Same with him. Mercedes. I have 'em all, I have all them listed out.
Speaker 2:
45:26
Wow. And with, with, Hey Mercedes, was it, you were, is it, we were getting into more melodic stuff. Um, was it like another side to you that you said, this is what I kind of want to write?
Speaker 3:
45:38
No, not really. It was more or less cause you know, at the end of grade, um, we weren't getting along so well with Chris and you know, we all, we mutually decided that we should stop playing shows together, stop doing Dade. And so Todd and Damon and I still have to play together. So we just kept going and yeah, at no point in time did we think, Oh, this is that chance to do X, Y and Z that we couldn't do. Unbowed we just started writing songs. I mean it's, it, if Chris, if we just replaced Chris and bedded, it would, it would be basically that as better than would be the hammer Mercedes album because it was just, it was just what he said. We never consciously said, Hey, let's do this, this and this. But it was just, you know, we brought in, um, Mark's Alice and that's what we wrote.
Speaker 2:
46:31
Yeah. It Bell's, uh, is probably one of my favorite songs, um, from all all the songs you could put out for it and Mercedes and I liked that it starts out with a breakdown. That's what, that's, I'm always going to find breakdowns. So, yeah, that was just the, uh, pretty well that's the thing. I am a huge, I did a top 10 breakdowns every year on my college radio show, and so I was always really fascinated with where people put the breakdowns and that song was, I think it's at the start. I think it's fantastic that it just kills it right at the start. You could do a stage dive in the first four seconds of the song, which, um, a few more things just kind of, uh, in the future, you know, there's been starts and stops through with braid and Y, Y again. Now. I mean, you said you were talking to them again. Was it writing that AP and now you're like, fuck, let's do more. Let's, let's tour. Let's keep doing this.
Speaker 3:
47:27
Yeah. It, um, even when we were writing the P, we, we all were very, uh, cognizant of the fact that like, we like doing this. So if he can, if we can do, if we can get together, get into it, let's just keep doing it because we work really well together when we get the four of us get in the room and it's, it's fun and you know, easily to an extent to, to, to write tongs with those dudes. So, uh, yeah, really always just said, let's, you know, do the EAP and maybe we can record another repeat in the next week and next year or do a record or something. And we never really want to tour nor do we want to tour full time. Especially like how will you we used to because we've got, you know, other stuff.
Speaker 2:
48:18
Yes.
Speaker 3:
48:20
But um, yeah, we just, we just wanted to keep piling them. So yeah, that was basically that as soon as they're, after we acquired the EAP and um, you know, did those shows that Chris and I just kept writing stuff
Speaker 2:
48:35
and, and I think just this is I think a great thing for people to hear because that's all that I think people want. They just, if you keep playing music that's like the one thing I tell bands like, Hey everybody, really nice to meet you. Keep playing music. And, and I think for you guys to still do that and there's people still buying it, there's people still going. Um, what keeps you guys motivated to do it? Because the, I know there's a ton of people out there that, that love it and enjoy that you guys are still going in that. What else kind of motivates you guys to keep doing it? Was it just you guys in a room and it's fun.
Speaker 3:
49:09
Yeah, exactly. And it's just this constant need. Maybe it's just the, it's the work ethic that we've all sort of been, you know, as it's been drilled into our heads since the day we started playing that it's like you can't sit still. He always gotta be making music and writing stuff. I feel that way. And I always felt that way. So any downtime, you know, I was doing CS, Oh man, this jacket, ACE now. And uh, certain people I know, like all these, it was just, there was never a point in time where I wasn't writing music because I just had the debt. I don't know, it just makes me happy. If I'm not doing it, I'm unhappy and it doesn't matter. Yeah. It doesn't that, it almost doesn't matter if I'm recording records or playing shows. I mean, for a long time I was just writing songs for thread lifts, like just kind of quick two minutes songs because it just made me happy. So that's why
Speaker 2:
50:06
I think that great. I think anyone hearing this is, and to me too, it's, that's great to hear because it's coming from that right point. And I think through all the reunions and stuff, there's all these, Oh, why are they coming back? It's the, it's the, it's this time and it's like, no, you, you want to do it like Texas. The reason Texas, the reason reunion, you saw want it to be up there, promise ring. You see Dan losing his mind playing those songs and that's why, that's why it matters.
Speaker 3:
50:35
Yeah. I mean that's, I listen, it's not like about money. Like none of us need money. Like I, y'all have jobs, you know, we're all, well the happy, I just, yeah. In that sense we're happy like that. I just can't stop doing it. Like even, even now, like I said, you, no one comes. Even if we never let him at an album, I'm still going to be writing songs probably with those dudes, you know?
Speaker 2:
50:59
Yeah, yeah. No, I meant the, it just, sometimes people throw that out there and I'm like, the situations are so different in each band. And so in it, there's obviously never the, the true story sometimes never gets out or whatever. People can thinking naysayers can, uh, not go and sit at home with their two kids and their wife yelling at them. Have fun. I'm kidding. I'm joking. I'm looking into the future. Um, anything else that you're super excited about? Um, obviously the show is coming up for right. Anything else that you're super stoked on that people might be interested in having?
Speaker 3:
51:36
There is something, um, again, because I, I just, I don't know. I constantly need to be busy with shit all the time, whether it's just like personal things or songs or, or whatever. Deejaying, listening to music, writing music, blah, blah, blah. But, um, one thing I'm really excited about that I wanted to mention is, uh, my friend Mark Rose, who was in the advanced Littlefield and uh, Dan Reed, who he used to do as Ian called rocket fuel a long time ago. Yeah. C a V you know, I know. They know that, you know that because one of the first washed up email podcast I listened to, someone mentioned rocket fuel and I told, I actually work with Dan here at Tyler. I was like, Dan you got here.
Speaker 3:
52:25
Yeah, the, so the three of us are starting this website called downright, uh, D. O. w. N. w. I. T. that it's w you know, it's, it's actually a lot of work to get going and it's not up yet. But the idea behind it is sort of like feeding, not literally, but like this sort of like crazy need for songwriters to, to create an and, right. And so, you know, basically what we want to create is like an artist centric custom song shop. So that instead of, you know, somebody's like some musician being like, Hey, I brought you a song for 10 bucks or some, some stuff like that, which always felt like dirty to me and like weird. And I just, I never liked that. I w what I want to do is create a place where that sort of thing can happen, but it's not, there's no, there's not like a weird stigma because I want the artist to have a little more control in it.
Speaker 3:
53:26
Like for instance, um, I could go on and say, you know, I want to, I want to write a 10 songs about cities or something or 10, 10, like two minute Ramones, misfits, ask songs or whatever. And then people could basically like sponsor songs, um, and, and basically do like albums, you know, online Adam's, yeah. So, and then, you know, I also want to cater to people who want, who need songs for certain situations that, uh, you know, if my concern I wanted to do, wanted to say, Hey, I'll write, um, instrumentals for your YouTube video or something or your, uh, performance, your play or something or whatever. The, you know, there was, uh, uh, my friend or a friend Cheryl, who got married, had Mike do an acoustic version for him of the Psalm one of these days that they like walked down the aisle to, I could, I, I just, I feel like this, all of this opportunity for dams to, to do this and really [inaudible] and songwriters to really connect with the stands like in a way that doesn't exist right now. Um,
Speaker 2:
54:44
that's a really cool idea.
Speaker 3:
54:46
Yeah. So I mean, like I said, it's not up yet. We're still like working through all their legal, bigger chunks. But, uh, yeah, I hope we hope to have that launched next month or, or within the next few months for sure. And at that point you thought, I won't really shut up about it.
Speaker 4:
55:07
It's one of those things where I want, I want this site to exist that I can use it. If it doesn't exist, look, let's just make it
Speaker 2:
55:13
you need, you're, you're trying to make fire right now cause you need to eat.
Speaker 4:
55:19
No, I need, I need to, I need the right music.
Speaker 2:
55:24
Um, well that's great. We'll definitely link to that one that goes live. And, uh, and uh, Bob, thank you so much for doing this. Um, as a person too, has watched from afar and seeing you guys live and now this, it's like the, you, you motivate me a little bit just because of how much stuff you're doing and there's obviously this is all outside of my normal, you know, job kind of things and, and for you to have all these things going on and it's, it's, it's, it's great to have and I think a lot of people are, you know, are happy that you are motivated because they're interested in what you're doing. So
Speaker 4:
55:58
thanks Sam. OD, you know, that means a lot. I mean, it's a whole lot and I, I, yeah, I would hope people, he creating a ticket music too.
Speaker 1:
56:24
[inaudible].
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