Embracing Technology and Career Readiness: Dylan's Story

Dylan LeMaster, an 11th grader at Riverside High School and Auburn Career Center is known for being curious, determined, and skilled at using technology. He began learning Braille at age three and quickly became interested in using assistive technology. He even appeared on The Steve Harvey Show five years ago, showcasing how he was the youngest individual using the OrCam MyEye 2 for greater independence at home and school.

During the past summer, Dylan participated in an Opportunities for Ohioans with Disabilities (OOD) Summer Youth Work Experience at Magnifiers & More. The opportunity allowed him to use his expertise in troubleshooting and repairing equipment while considering possibilities for his future career.

Deborah Kogler, President of Magnifiers & More, explained, “He definitely has the personality to help people, and that's the big thing is to want to help people.'

Amanda Teddleton, OOD Vocational Rehabilitation Counselor, explained: “Dylan's successes should be attributed to his incredible skills, hard work, and diligence.”

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Chapters

• 0:02 Navigating High School With Assistive Technology
• 11:29 Summer Youth Work and Assistive Technology
• 20:40 Advocacy and Skill Development in Technology
• 30:59 Work Experiences and Future Aspirations
• 36:14 Fixing Technology and Finding Job Opportunities

Transcript

OOD Works Podcast, Episode 52 Transcript

Embracing Technology and Career Readiness: Dylan's Story

Male Speaker: 0:02

Welcome to OOD Works, the podcast, the show about unique individuals and services provided by opportunities for Ohioans with disabilities, the state agency that helps individuals with disabilities find a job and be more independent. Here's your host, Kim Jump. 

Kim Jump: 0:18

In this episode, we get to hear from Dylan LeMaster, a high school student from Riverside High School in Painesville and the Auburn Career Center. Dylan, who is blind, has been navigating his academic journey with the help of his Vocational Rehabilitation Counselor, Amanda Teddleton, who also joins the show. Dylan's proficiency with assistive technology and his strong self-advocacy skills have been instrumental in his path. Listen in to hear about his summer youth work experience at Magnifiers & More, where he honed his skills and empowered others with disabilities by demonstrating innovative devices. We're also glad to have Debbie Kogler, president of Magnifiers & More join the discussion. Dylan, Amanda, and Debbie welcome to the podcast, thank you.

Dylan LeMaster: 1:14

Thank you.

Kim Jump: 1:15

Thank you. Wonderful having you, Dylan, tell us about being a high school student at Riverside and Auburn Career Center. What grade are you in? What subjects and class activities do you enjoy the most?

Dylan LeMaster: 1:33

So I'll start off by saying that I am in 11th grade. I partake in regular academics math, English, and a social studies class. For 11th grade I do not have to take a science class, but I also attend Auburn Career Center where I'm taking a class. It's called Technology, Engineering and Design. It's a class about computers, engineering and anything electronics, and I enjoy that class quite a bit, along with all my academics. Schooling for me is pretty normal. I'm in a public school, but if anything needs to be accommodated, it will. I have access to all of those standard assignments like all of the other sighted kids.

Kim Jump: 2:23

And what's your breakdown of time, like the amount of time you spend at Riverside compared to the course you're taking at the Career Center?

Dylan LeMaster: 2:33

This year I go to Auburn in the morning and go to Riverside in the afternoon. That will flip-flop next year. But I would say I'm at Auburn for about two hours, two and a half three hours. The class itself is about two hours, but there's some extra time at Auburn, and then that afternoon I'm at Riverside for about three hours.

Kim Jump: 3:04

Great, and so then that'll be a course that you'll continue next year. That's like a two-year program.

Dylan LeMaster: 3:12

Correct, except next year it will be in the afternoon.

Kim Jump: 3:16

Awesome. It's technology related and I've heard that you have excellent skills with assistive technology in particular. Can you talk about that and tell us how you use technology?

Dylan LeMaster: 3:31

I use a Braille Notetaker device for accessing Google Classroom, the internet and everything else cited kids need to access, and that's pretty much the main star of the show when it comes to that. I used to use other things like iPads and stuff, but once this new Braille Notetaker device came out, it kind of replaced all of it. I would say it's not exactly technology, but I'll talk about some of the other items that I use in the classroom, especially in math class. A lot of tactile stuff like drawing stuff and pegboards and just manipulatives, with the introduction with me having a Braille Notetaker device. It's kind of replaced having the Braille copies of everything because that's how I used to do it, but it got very inconvenient and bulky. So it's replaced most of that, which is gOOD.

Kim Jump: 4:39

Wow, how does that work with your school and the Braille Notetaker? Was there anything special that the school had to do in order for that to work out well for you, or how does that work really?

Dylan LeMaster: 4:53

So it links with my school account, which every student has their own account. It's a Google account and that's what gets them access to their Google Docs, classroom drive and email. I get the same thing. I mean my Braille Notetaker. It runs Android, so it has access to all of that. And for sighted people, if I need help, I can flip the keyboard up and have a touch screen that they can use just like a tablet.

Kim Jump: 5:22

Excellent. I'm glad it's integrated so well and it sounds like it's been more efficient. Replaced actual Braille papers that you mentioned you were using before then.

Dylan LeMaster: 5:35

The only class I still use Braille papers is math class, and that's just the nature of math. But everything else it's being replaced.

Kim Jump: 5:46

That's wonderful.

Dylan LeMaster: 5:48

And I also have a teacher, a TVI, who sits in my math class to help with manipulatives and things like that. I also take mobility lessons with an O&M.

Kim Jump: 6:03

And are the mobility lessons there on site, or do you go somewhere different for that?

Dylan LeMaster: 6:12

We go actually downtown Painesville and we work on street crossings, public transportation, things like that for independent traveling.

Kim Jump: 6:23

Great. How long have you been at it?

Dylan LeMaster: 6:25

I started doing the basics in preschool.

Kim Jump: 6:30

Okay.

Dylan LeMaster: 6:30

But it's worked up and up and up and up every year and year. It actually got halted because I was transitioning from instructors back in 2021, I believe it was and so I had about six months of no mobility. We had to play a little bit of catch-up afterwards, but we got there.

Kim Jump: 6:53

So glad to be back in and to have that. I love that you've been at it for so long in your life too, to get the skills you need at different ages.

Dylan LeMaster: 7:03

Yeah, and even Braille. I mean, I learned Braille when I was three, so that kind of shows how early they were wanting me to learn this stuff, because it takes time. It takes a lot of time, sure, especially with I was still learning Braille when they did the Braille code change from EVA to UEB, which changed some of the contractions and the way Braille was written and typed out.

Kim Jump: 7:29

I'm picturing a three-year-old, and for some three-year-olds, just learning letters is difficult. Do you remember how it was for you learning Braille?

Dylan LeMaster: 7:42

I remember very little. I remember doing things like hand over hand with my vision teacher typing on the Braille writer, which I'm glad I don't use that anymore. It was basically a big old typewriter for Braille but we, hand over hand, typed out the letters. And then, I think, starting kindergarten, I started doing building on patterns which got me familiar with contraction, short word forms of word to make them easier to type out without having to type out the whole word. But yeah, it takes you, it takes time. Sure, it takes a lot of time.

Kim Jump: 8:26

And you sound patient even as you say that, Dylan. That's good. How was it that you got involved with Opportunities for Ohioans with Disabilities?

Dylan LeMaster: 8:37

It was kind of through school, and we were talking-- me and my TVI-- we were talking about my future and how, in a mirror time, how would I get a job? It was like, well, how am I going to get a job, what am I going to go through? And she was like we really need to talk to OOD and BSVI and figure something out. And then I needed an evaluation. So then Amanda actually came out to my school--this was last year. She came out to my school and her, one of my TVIs and my mom. We all met up at my school and we had a meeting, my evaluation, and that's what got me started. And then from there on out it kind of worked out like that.

Kim Jump: 9:27

Oh, that's great. And TVI, what does that stand for? Is it teacher of the visually impaired?

Dylan LeMaster: 9:33

That is correct, and O&M that stands for occupational and mobility specialist. So actually that's COMS --certified orientation and mobility specialist, but everyone calls it O&M.

Kim Jump: 9:46

And I should add BSVI just for our listeners that may not know as our Bureau of Services for the Visually Impaired. That leads me to you, Amanda, as Dylan's Vocational Rehabilitation Counselor--Sounds like got involved then it must have been 10th grade. What is the role that you're playing in helping shape plans for Dylan's future career?

Amanda Teddleton: 10:12

Yeah, first, thank you, Kim Jump, for inviting me to join this conversation. Secondly, I really want to share and clarify that Dylan's successes should be attributed to his own incredible skills, his hard work, his diligence, my importance as his VRC. I am just to make myself available, making sure to provide his supports to him so that he can continue to thrive at his maximum potential, and make him aware of the different services available to him as he prepares to transition out of high school and into his next goal toward competitive employment. So that could be college, that could be a vocational training program or employment. So OOD and I are here to follow alongside him and assure he has the needed supports, such as rehab tech equipment, if that's additional mobility, training after he graduates, for his opportunity with Magnifiers & More. OOD was able to assist with transportation, other services like job placement assistance if that is a need after graduation. So services like that. But that is my role is just to make sure Dylan has what he needs to pursue whatever goal he has after high school.

Kim Jump: 11:28

Super. I want to turn it to you for a moment, Debbie, because I understand you've known Dylan for quite some time actually.

Deborah Kogler: 11:38

Well, thank you, Kim, for having me. Yes, and I'd like to reiterate exactly what Amanda just said about Dylan. If it wasn't for Dylan, we wouldn't be here, because it is his motivation and his desire and he's got a great support team. Whether it's at school or home, he's got wonderful friends that help him. But I actually met Dylan. He was about five or six years old. His grandmother brought him into Magnifiers & More, and I remember that little tyke walking in. He was very confident and he had a question and for a little, wow, this kid is going somewhere. And I'm happy to say that 12 years later, Dylan, we're still here. It's amazing to watch him grow. Like I said, his family was very, very supportive from his young age on up.

Kim Jump: 12:36

Debbie, for anyone that may not know at Magnifiers & More. What do you offer?

Deborah Kogler: 12:42

So Magnifiers & More is actually a brick-and-mortar store. So we have a store that has merchandise and technology for those that are visually impaired or blind. So we have everything from a bump dot, which is used to help people locate things, all the way up to the Braille notes that Dylan was talking about. So we have numerous amounts of technology, things that can be simple, easier and hopefully better for people that have vision issues or blindness, and we have the opportunity to be partnered up with OOD, BSVI to help their participants as well with their needs. So I think that wonderful pleasure of working with everybody that wants to help people.

Kim Jump: 13:36

A great service. Wonderful Amanda OOD offers summer youth work experiences. Do you want to just take a moment to explain what that?

Amanda Teddleton: 13:46

is Absolutely so. That's probably one of our most popular transition-specific services. It's where we allow students to work up to five weeks. That can vary depending on the student’s needs and the counselor's recommendations, but they could work up to five weeks, potentially at a site where a provider would host and an employer would host and they could gain work skills just to kind of get their feet wet and introduce them to the world of work. The job coach is there to offer supports, but also to observe and see where the student’s strengths are, and the idea is to get that report back to the counselor so that we can talk more about steps after that assessment, after that work experience. So if the student is ready to go into an actual job search and start working shortly after high school or even during school part-time, we can definitely assist with that. Or if there are recommendations just to build additional skills with more training, we could also assist with that. So it really is just to help the students get their wheels turning about working and it's a hands-on experience. So it definitely just provides a lot of insight for everyone involved. Right, and I felt to mention it's actually a paid experience. So probably why it's our most important, our most popular service for our students. But the students get paid for the work that they do, so it's a great service, a wonderful way to get into having some real experience.

Kim Jump: 15:22

And, Debbie, was it that you offered Dylan the work experience at Magnifiers & More? How did that come to be?

Deborah Kogler: 15:30

So it's interesting, Dylan's TVI has teacher for visually impaired, Mrs. Klein. I have been talking to her earlier in the school year and she was telling me that Dylan was heading out to Auburn and stuff and you know my wheels started turning at that point and then I approached Well, actually I'm sorry I take that back I ran into Dylan's dad in Dam's Club and he was telling we were talking and I was saying I was going to find some help. You know, I needed somebody that was younger and interested in technology and as soon as those words came, out of my mouth the smile on Dylan's dad was like that's something for you. And I'll be honest with you, at that point I had not even thought too much of it and then all of a sudden it's like the light bulbs just went off and so I said that I'd be willing to give him that experience and that practice, so that kind of snowball things, and I believe the phone call was made to Amanda and then we also talked. I have to also give kudos to Amanda's boss, Jessica McKee, for allowing us to kind of work this out for Dylan to be able to come to his parents, work, and figure out that transportation issue, and it just things just kind of fell into place. And here he was, we got him for the summer and we had a, had a lot of fun.

Kim Jump: 16:58

Such a perfect fit, Dylan. What was your experience like working there, at Magnifiers & More?

Dylan LeMaster: 17:06

To say the least, I enjoyed working there. It was very much a blast I got to. I mean, who wouldn't love to play with a whole bunch of technology? And learn how to use it every day, but no, it was very fun. Everyone there was very funny and very nice and very supportive at the time. I was looking forward to coming back the next day and I guess I enjoyed so much that I decided to want to come back for this week for a little bit.

Kim Jump: 17:40

Oh good, while you're on your holiday break?

Dylan LeMaster: 17:43

Yeah.

Kim Jump: 17:44

Wonderful.

Dylan LeMaster: 17:45

I should also mention not exactly about Magnifiers & More, but how I got to work that you know. Amanda was talking about public transportation. Yeah that was my friend. I want to give those to Lake Tran. They're the ones who got me to and from work and they're actually the place for me and my mobility instructor, Mrs. Klein, she's TVI and O and M. I know Debbie said TVI but I want to make it clear she's both. We're working on Lake Tran's fixed route system and over the summer I was using Lake Tran's dialer ride service where you call out and they come to your house and they pick you up and take you to anywhere in Lake County, Ohio. In this case, Magnifiers & More.

Kim Jump: 18:31

Yeah, you got to work and you got to practice that transportation and being independent that way.

Dylan LeMaster: 18:39

Yeah, and the drivers were wonderful and they all seem like they know what they're doing, which is excellent, yeah, so thanks to OOD for getting that going too.

Kim Jump: 18:53

Yeah, what's it like for you, Dylan, interacting with folks that come into the brick and mortar? I'm just thinking like folks that come in they might have some things in common with you. Do you think that helped in building rapport?

Dylan LeMaster: 19:10

There were actually not that many people who are specifically like me. Now there were one or two people who got a device, a specific device that I use as well, that I kind of sat in with one of the workers at Magnifiers & More and helped kind of run the demonstration. That device was the Orcam, my Eye. I actually got it, or no, five years ago and I became famous about it because that was another experience with me and Debbie. We went out to LA because I was on The Steve Harvey Show for this device, because apparently I was the youngest kid to own it or something like that I can't fully remember, but yeah, so that was quite the experience. Oh, I should say Okay, along with being on Cleveland 19 and Fox 8, yeah, it got overwhelming at times, but nevertheless, it was very fun. So that's how I got in the hand with that device and I was able to help out the couple who had purchased their Orcam.

Speaker 1: 20:29

But other than that.

Dylan LeMaster: 20:30

I was just doing my own thing or sitting in with Peggy watching her demonstrate different things like Magnifiers and stuff like that.

Kim Jump: 20:40

Was there any technology that you had to kind of like catch up on, because it seems to me like you're very well versed already with I love technology. That's what it sounds like.

Dylan LeMaster: 20:53

I love playing with technology Any kind for sighted people, for non-sighted people, old or new, but so that's one of the good parts about it, and I also watch videos on it all the time. But you're asking whether I had to do some catch up. I wouldn't say I mean sort of, but there were some products where I had seen videos of and Debbie was like oh yeah, we have that in the store. I want to get you learning how to use it. There are a couple key products one from LVI, a tablet solution for magnification, and then another one from RealThingAi, a smartphone called the RealSam Pocket for the blind, which both of those I know very well how to use now. Hence, yesterday Debbie had me on the task of updating the LVI (Low Vision International) MagniLINK tabs to make sure they were updated, because I do like handling with Windows computers, because it does run Windows.

Kim Jump: 21:54

Oh good, Debbie, from your perspective as a rehab tech provider, what are some of the skills or qualities that stood out in Dylan while he's been at your store, either over the summer or even now that he's?

Deborah Kogler: 22:12

back. I'm going to backtrack a second here too. So Dylan five years ago it was this month. Five years ago this month, Dylan and myself and Orcam were featured on The Steve Harvey Show, and Dylan at the time was the youngest person in the state or in, I'm sorry, in the country in the USA that had an Orcam device and that's a headboard device that is text to speech, so it recognizes printed material and it will recognize people. So that was Dylan's kind of claim to fame as far as being able to use technology, and so throughout the last five years, he's kept up with this. So the ability to have him come into the store and help do some training on that, but also just for our participants as they come into the store the rest of the staff here is cited. So we don't necessarily use the technology as often as like Dylan would. And then Dylan comes in and he's a little shy in saying that he'll touch anything and he'll take things apart. So we would give him some challenges, and we gave him some pieces of equipment that probably would be discarded or needed some kind of help that either I didn't have the time or the patience to go through, and so Dylan would dive right into it, and he's prepared several pieces of equipment for us that we've either donated or have been able to pass on to somebody else, and to see him do that is amazing. And I think, just to iterate, that we had a desk. I don't know if you remember the summer, Dylan, but we had a desk that needed to be or, I'm sorry, a file cabinet that had to be put together.

Speaker 1: 24:09

Oh yeah, I remember and.

Deborah Kogler: 24:11

I'm like Dylan, you want to put this together. And he's like sure, and my other employees are looking at me like are you nuts? Like how is this guy going to put this thing together? And son of a gun, he got it together. He got that thing together and it still works. And it has not fallen apart.

Dylan LeMaster: 24:28

That's on your office, isn't it?

Amanda Teddleton: 24:33

Go Dylan, so that's awesome.

Deborah Kogler: 24:36

So Dylan being able to just get a step in and do whatever to do if he will do it. And he continues to do that. And, like you just said, yesterday I had him on an assignment of updating software and some of our equipment because, in all honesty, it takes time and I'm so busy that for me to sit there and update technology sometimes it takes too much. So Dylan's able to save some time with that and he continues to want to learn more and he will sometimes drive me nuts asking me about is there any new technology or anything that we need to do? So we laugh at him sometimes about that, but he definitely has that hunger of technology.

Kim Jump: 25:26

You sound very much like a self-starter, Dylan, and how do you just fix things? By playing with them, or how do you know how to do that?

Dylan LeMaster: 25:36

Feel. Feel, because now, granted, there were some items that I think Debbie had tried to have me fix and it was like, just like it was beyond my ability. But no, I try what I can, but some of it does require quite a bit of sight. And, yeah, Debbie is right, there are times I ask about this product because I don't know, and I probably may have done that a lot, but I am a question asker and I sometimes ask way too many questions, but everyone tells me it's like questions are good.

Kim Jump: 26:18

So I mean, right, correct, right, definitely. I mean you seem eager to learn, eager to help. It sounds like you really. You've added a lot of value there.

Dylan LeMaster: 26:35

Yeah.

Deborah Kogler: 26:38

He has. He's definitely been an asset and hopefully, this gives him a taste of what it's like to own a business to deal with people to deal with people that do not have disabilities as far as vision disabilities, but also how to help people that do have difficulties, just as personnel. He definitely has the personality to help people, and that's the big thing is to want to help people.

Kim Jump: 27:09

Right For either of you, Dylan or Debbie, any other especially memorable moments in addition to the file cabinet? I love that!

Deborah Kogler: 27:23

Dylan, why don't you tell them about the treadmill, what you're doing with the treadmill?

Dylan LeMaster: 27:29

Oh, the treadmill. Okay, this isn't exactly pertaining to Magnifiers & More, but it's pertaining to my ridiculous love of technology. It's still in progress. I'm about to have Auburn help me with it. But last year my grandma was going to get rid of an old treadmill. At the same time, my mom had brought home an old, broken paper shredder from work that they did not want anymore. Then I got the wheels turning. I was taking this part, pulling the covers off, taking this board out, disconnecting this. I could build an electric go-cart out of these.

Amanda Teddleton: 28:21

Wow.

Kim Jump: 28:23

I did not see that coming.

Dylan LeMaster: 28:27

Needless to say, a year later and that's all pretty much sitting in the same spot it was sitting in last year. But that doesn't mean I'm giving up. I would really like to finish this because in the end, I think it would be a very hilarious contraption. Debbie offered me a radio CD cassette player. What was it? Back in July, I was like I got one of these. I don't know what I could do with it. She goes yeah, you can put it on your go-cart project. I'm like yeah, I have no idea where I'm going to put it. Needless to say, I turned it down.

Kim Jump: 29:14

That is taking on a challenge. That's pretty cool. You have a creative outlook for repurposing there.

Dylan LeMaster: 29:24

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Kim Jump: 29:28

Well, in addition to being so handy and eager to tackle things, learn things. I've heard that you're a very good advocate for yourself. How do you approach advocating for your needs and interests?

Dylan LeMaster: 29:45

Asking. I mean either at school or at home. If I need something, I'm like, hey, I think I'm in the need of this. I think we need to do some shopping maybe a Best Buy trip or something because I think this would be a great thing for me to have, for example, my laptop. I needed more storage, like external storage, because I have a lot of videos and voice recording. I've been using flash drives and they're getting too small. I need something bigger. Then I said I went online and I looked for the device I wanted, and then I basically said something like can we go to Best Buy one of these days? I would like to get this item, and we did, and I paid for it and I have it. I've used it for about a year now and I'm like no, maybe like every month, I don't know. I like it, it's very nice, so I'm glad I did that, but that's how I do it.

Kim Jump: 30:51

Mm-hmm.

Dylan LeMaster: 30:52

That's great.

Kim Jump: 30:53

Yeah, speak up and ask. Yeah, excellent. Amanda, can you speak on the importance of work experiences like this, that Dylan's been able to have the Magnifiers & More, and why that's really good information for figuring out the future.

Amanda Teddleton: 31:17

Absolutely. I think it's very important that our individuals and providers hear about Dylan's opportunity. Just because it's inspiring to hear about Dylan's success while working at the store, having been up against barriers caused by his disability, but still finding a work experience that highlighted his strengths and interests. It allowed for it to be a success all around, even so much so that now, I mean, there's potential to continue into this line of work even after he graduates. So something to think about, Dylan. You know we could use a lot more. We have tech providers with OOD, but yeah, and so I think it's just very important that our students are afforded with similar opportunities so that they may learn more about themselves, their interests and abilities, and feel more confident about employment in their future.

Kim Jump: 32:12

Right, that's great Dylan at this point. What are your future aspirations, their career goals?

Dylan LeMaster: 32:22

So I can't give you a full, definite answer yet, but I can tell you that it's probably going to be. I say probably, but it will most likely be something along the lines of technology, either regular technology, it or visual IT, because my class in Auburn I'm doing standard technology stuff and you can be amazed. Some of it I'm actually a lot of it. I'm able to do so, especially some of the things when it comes to taking stuff apart, and we know how I love taking stuff apart, so that's the good part. So it's something along the lines of technology, either assistive, or regular, mostly.

Kim Jump: 33:14

Yeah, it makes perfect sense. And it makes perfect sense as well that you don't have it perfectly figured out. That's why it's wonderful to have experiences where you can try things and keep learning about what you really enjoy and what you're talented at.

Dylan LeMaster: 33:32

Yeah.

Kim Jump: 33:34

Yeah, Amanda, we're always trying, as you know, to get the word out, you know, to teachers and parents to know about the support that OOD offers. What would you want to say to teachers or parents about how you know how the agency can help students pursue their career goals?

Amanda Teddleton: 33:53

Yeah, well, I would like parents and teachers to know that we exist. Oftentimes people are like, oh, I've had it many times traveling in the community where someone will see the magnet on our car and I'd have like a 10-minute-long conversation like, yes, this is what we do, we're here to serve the public. So, just wanting everyone to know we're here to help, we serve all 88 counties in Ohio and if you have students who are interested in the world of work and need help finding a job, you can refer them to your local office. Some of the services we could include is, you know, helping to find a job or keep a job. We do career exploration, paid work experiences, job shadowing, counseling on post-secondary options, or even work incentives planning, just to get an idea of how work could affect your business, how work could affect your benefits through social security. So that's a wide range of very beneficial services. But, yeah, I just want people to know that we're here. We're here to help. So, yes, we are.

Kim Jump: 35:01

Yeah, and Debbie, your partnership with OOD. How far does that date back, do you know?

Deborah Kogler: 35:10

21 years Wow, 21 years have been a participating provider and working with thousands of folks and wonderful counselors. It's been a joy it really has. It's always nice to help somebody. It's very humbling, it can be very frustrating at times as well, but we're there to do the best that we can, and I liked it that we're a team. It's teamwork and we're all able to work with each other and help each other and learn, and that's the goal that we can all learn something as well. And, like Amanda said, we can get Dylan into this field, because we certainly need more people like him, because the old folks like me aren't going to be around forever.

Kim Jump: 35:59

What's your response to that, Dylan?

Dylan LeMaster: 36:01

Well, my response is that you're not old.

Kim Jump: 36:06

You're hired.

Deborah Kogler: 36:06

You're hired, you just got a raise.

Dylan LeMaster: 36:14

Another thing going along with the lines of fixing I've had to my mom. She's been frustrated at times with technology, saying like why can't you get this working? And then I do something to make it work and she's like how did you do that?

Kim Jump: 36:31

So you're the resident fixer at your house?

Dylan LeMaster: 36:34

For my house and my grandma's house too, although most of the time at my grandma's house she tries to tell me about the problem and then she shows me the problem and it fixes itself. Every time I'm there she's trying to demonstrate it to me.

Kim Jump: 36:51

Of course, when someone's willing to help.

Dylan LeMaster: 36:54

Everyone thinks I have the magic touch.

Amanda Teddleton: 36:57

I was going to say you're so skilled, just your presence fix it alone.

Dylan LeMaster: 37:03

Yeah, there is opportunities. There are opportunities out there. If you think you're never going to find a job, no, you will, you will. And especially if you use OOD for assistance, I mean, I mean that's why they're here, use it. We have the resources, utilize them.